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Squarewalker December 24th, 2005 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Synchronize
You haven't seen me, Nikkels, Bane, or Pyro use PS Celebi before? Perish Song, Heal Bell, Leech Seed, Recover. Works great along with chaosbreon.

I've seen Hot Nikkels using it, but Heal Bell and PS on the same set is a bit lol (unless someone REALLY needs a cleric AND wants to use it in conjunction with chaosbreon well), it needs an attacking move imo, to not get screwed over if it's the last poke or in w/e situation.

Mullet December 24th, 2005 5:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Squarewalker
I've seen Hot Nikkels using it, but Heal Bell and PS on the same set is a bit lol (unless someone REALLY needs a cleric AND wants to use it in conjunction with chaosbreon well), it needs an attacking move imo, to not get screwed over if it's the last poke or in w/e situation.

Of course Leech Seed+Recover=Hard to kill, for a while anyway. If you run out of Recovers Celebi dies.

Synchronize December 24th, 2005 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Squarewalker
I've seen Hot Nikkels using it, but Heal Bell and PS on the same set is a bit lol (unless someone REALLY needs a cleric AND wants to use it in conjunction with chaosbreon well), it needs an attacking move imo, to not get screwed over if it's the last poke or in w/e situation.


Well Im sorry to say that that was the set. =/

Mullet December 24th, 2005 2:21 PM

Since this is the Moveset guide someone post Chaosbreon I know the set, and Umby already posted it, but a full analysis is needed.

Squarewalker December 24th, 2005 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mullet
Since this is the Moveset guide someone post Chaosbreon I know the set, and Umby already posted it, but a full analysis is needed.

I'll make an analysis for chaosbreon then.

The standard set is:

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 212 HP / 72 Def / 224 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Taunt
- Wish/Moonlight

Basically, you Mean Look stuff that can't OHKO or 2HKO you, and pass to a counter, while Taunting p-hazers. Pick which healing move you want, Moonlight's instant healing is cool, but I generally prefer Wish, for more PP, as well as team supporting.
So what's so good about chaosbreon? Well, it is a real pain for teams that lack the offense to kill it, like stall teams (ie. Zapdos/Skarmory/Blissey/Dusclops/Suicune/Claydol teams); it will trap them one by one, passing to the appropiate counter and killing them. It is usually used in conjunction with Perish Song Celebi to fully take advantage of trapping stuff... but stat-up users, such as Raikou and DDtar are really nice partners for this as well, as they can setup on the trapped poke, and then sweep a whole team.

Btw, those spd EVs are there to outspeed max speed adamant DDtar that is otherwise going to Taunt it's attempt to do anything and setup on it.

Synchronize December 25th, 2005 9:07 AM

And then include my EVs as an alternative.

Mullet December 25th, 2005 7:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchronize
And then include my EVs as an alternative.

Your EVs are blah, lol. Umby needs the Speed.

Squarewalker, using in conjunction with PerishGar is fun too.
:D

Synchronize December 26th, 2005 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mullet
[font=tahoma]Your EVs are blah, lol. Umby needs the Speed.


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Mullet December 26th, 2005 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchronize
DAI
NAO
J00 EBIL PERSON

Umby with Speed EVs>You.:D

Synchronize January 13th, 2006 6:53 PM

Do I need to put in a whole Umbreon analysis?

crazihatnballa February 5th, 2006 8:34 PM

I dont have an emerald version or a cheating device so I was wondering how do I get an espeon/umbreon with snore or sleep talk? Since they have synchronize I thought I should take full advantage of it. I really want it for espeon since umbreon has the better level up moveset. I kinda want it looking like this:

Espeon(F) @leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
- Psychic
- Rest
- Snore
- Double Edge/Attract

So does anyone know how I can achieve this without emerald and a cheating device?

leafgreen386 February 9th, 2006 5:39 PM

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

That is a terrrible set for Espeon. The only part you got right was the Psychic.

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Sub/Morning Sun
BP
Psychic
CM

Not gonna bother writing a whole analysis, but with Sub the whole idea is to CM up agaisnt Sp.Atkers and use your Sub so it doesn't break as long as your foe does not also have stat ups, passing off to something to sweep before it breaks, getting a free pass effectively. With Morning Sun, you're going to be the one sweeping. You can use BP to get out of there if anything comes in that you can't kill but can kill you easy.

Also, Syncronize doesn't work with sleep or freeze.

crazihatnballa February 9th, 2006 9:08 PM

well that looks better. Also a question since I do not have an espeon with morning sun yet, if i use morning sun and I switch to a solarbeam user and use solarbeam without charging?

aragornbird February 9th, 2006 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crazihatnballa
well that looks better. Also a question since I do not have an espeon with morning sun yet, if i use morning sun and I switch to a solarbeam user and use solarbeam without charging?

What? You’re talking about Sunny Day.
Morning Sun is a move that heals HP.

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crazihatnballa February 14th, 2006 8:29 PM

no i was just wandering. I know what sunny day does, I was just wondering if morning sun would do the same for solarbeam... you know morning sun brings out the sun so I was just wondering if I would have to charge it...

Synchronize February 15th, 2006 11:29 AM

.....No it does not. Morning Sun is a healing move, not a weather effect......(Be nice, Umby, be nice).

Iron Tiff March 5th, 2006 6:51 PM

How is this for a Relicanth moveset? Here's what it look like now...

Relicanth (aka Gramps)
Lv. 57 (M), Calm Nature, Rock Head ability.

Item: Leftovers
204 HP, Attack 115, Defense 178, SP. Attack 76, SP. Defense 105, Speed 100

Moves: Surf, Ancientpower, Earthquake, Double-Edge (Rock Head ^^)


Also, I plan on breeding Gramps to get another Relicanth to experiment with. Here's what I plan on having on the baby...

Relicanth (F)
Bashful nature, Rock Head ability

Item: Leftovers

Moves: Surf, Double-Edge, Rock Slide, Earthquake

aragornbird March 5th, 2006 7:36 PM

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Relicanth is just about the only Water Pokemon that doesn’t need Surf. Know why? Because it’s special attack STINKS! It’s so low that you’re better off using physical moves or at least Hydro Pump, which is a lot stronger.

If you want a normal Relicanth, use this set

Relicanth @Leftovers
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Double-Edge
Yawn

Or if you want an extra-powerful version, use a Choice Bander

Relicanth @Choice Band
Rock Slide
Earthquake
Double-Edge
Hydro Pump

Also, use your second Relicanth because the first one has a nature that lowers attack, and that's bad for something like this fish. But ideally, you should aim to have your Relicanth be Adamant.

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electricgrass March 11th, 2006 5:42 PM

can you give me a moveset for hypno for a mixed sweeper plz

husk1442 March 11th, 2006 6:14 PM

don't use a mix sweeping hypno in the first place

Kuri-Chan ♪ March 14th, 2006 2:10 PM

I think Im WAAAY Late but... I'd like to help... Dont get all mad. I'm semi-new, and... Yeah. Soo...

Espy Psyche March 14th, 2006 4:25 PM

Espeon.
[email protected]
220 SA/220 SPD/70 DEF
Timid (SPD+/ATK-)
Psychic
Reflect
HP Fire
Morning Sun

Espyblock. I would previously call this e4 Espy but I changed it because I took flak for naming it after me. Can take a CBed Meteor mash. If Meta switches in on Espyblock, it is in for a rude awakening because Espy will Reflect on the switch, and 2HKO Meta with HP Fire. Actually developed from GSC era but it still works.

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enough for 300 SPD/252 SA/rest in SD
Modest nature (SA+/ATK-)
Psychic
Calm Mind
Baton Pass
HP Fire

Espyjump. CMs up to become a spec sponge, and either sweeps with its new SA power or BPs it off to something else, as why it is called Espyjump. I prefer Espyblock to Espyjump but either will work.

DarkMastaC March 20th, 2006 5:38 PM

Alright...im a total n00b when it comes to EVs, Nature im somewhat good at but still :P im not relly all that great normaly i would just train whatever pokemon i get lol...
Can Someone Tell Me Recomended EVs For the Following Poekmon? These Are Pokemon i would like to use in my party(s) and i want them to be Ligit :P

Feraligatr
Umbreon (sp.def i could geuss that lol)
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Mewtwo
Celebi
Blaziken
Absol
Kyogre
Rayquaza
Medicham
Deoxys Def.
Charizard
Groudon
Raichu
Espeon (ive already seen meny lol, could i probly get one that would work with hasty nature i dono why but it does good with the esp i do have lol)
[email protected] w/ Volt Tackle
Nidoking
Ninetales
Articuno
Blastiose
Mew

i know this is a sorta big request....but hey i dono what im doing, you do ^^ so please help me out here thx in advance.

aragornbird March 20th, 2006 6:08 PM

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DANG. O_O

Well, first, of all I can’t properly set EVs until I know the roles for your Pokemon. For instance, do you want your Rayquaza to be a physical attacker or a special attacker? Is your Nidoking going to have special attacks or will it be a physical sweeper? What about Charizard? Lugia? Mew? Is your Espeon going to Baton Pass? What about Celebi or Absol?

Unless you give us a general idea of their movesets, most of these Pokemon are too vague to rate. A few of them are quite easy:

Medicham - 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Pikachu - 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spd

Some of them are more difficult due to imperfect in-game stats, but still follow a general set:

Kyogre - 72 HP / 184 Spd / 252 SAtk
Umbreon - 212 HP / 176 Def / 120 SDef
Groudon - 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd
Deoxys-L - 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SDef

Others depend on their movesets. And it would be nice if you included Natures too.

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DarkMastaC March 20th, 2006 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkMastaC
Alright...im a total n00b when it comes to EVs, Nature im somewhat good at but still :P im not relly all that great normaly i would just train whatever pokemon i get lol...
Can Someone Tell Me Recomended EVs For the Following Poekmon? These Are Pokemon i would like to use in my party(s) and i want them to be Ligit :P

Feraligatr (Sp.attacker)
Umbreon (sp.def i could geuss that lol) (tank)
Lugia (i dono help me out with him)
Ho-Oh (Sp. Attacker)
Mewtwo (S.Attacker)
Celebi (Tank/Sp.attker?)
Blaziken (Psyical Attacker)
Absol (Psyical Attacker)
Kyogre (Sp. Attacker)
Rayquaza (Psyical Attacker)
Medicham (Just attacker? lol)
Deoxys Def. (tank)
Charizard (sp.attacker)
Groudon (psyical attacker)
Raichu (i dono)
Espeon (ive already seen meny lol, could i probly get one that would work with hasty nature i dono why but it does good with the esp i do have lol) (Sp.Attaker)
[email protected] w/ Volt Tackle (Sp.Attacker)
Nidoking (Psyical Attacker)
Ninetales (Tank?)
Articuno (Sp. Attacker/Tank)
Blastiose (i dono lol)
Mew (umm...i dono again lol)

i know this is a sorta big request....but hey i dono what im doing, you do ^^ so please help me out here thx in advance.

There ive put what i think each one is or should be lol you do the rest if youve got better idea plz post em thx again.BTW: And Im just looking for a Genral Idea to Get Started lol...so Im not sure of natures and Movesets Much yet.


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