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Sankari October 24th, 2005 6:35 AM

Violence in Games--What's Your Stand?
 
I may have put this in the wrong place, but don't mind me =D

*aherm*

I've been hearing a lot of pish-posh about video games causing teenagers and such to commit horrific crimes, such as stealing and even murder. Before I know it, the government is sueing considerably violent games such as Grand Theft Auto because the kids commiting these crimes said that's where they got the idea.

Well, this is what I have to say: blame the parents. These kids are around 14 or 15 years old. There's a reason games have ratings. It's the parents' fault for even exposing their child to an M (Mature) rated game.

But was it the game that urged the child into actually doing this sort of thing? Maybe. Maybe not. The kid was probably just so stupid, he couldn't distinguish between fantasy and reality, or he probably got the game not because he thought it was cool, but because he wanted to live his life as a murderer. Maybe he was just a loser who had no life. That may be a wrong way to put it...but that's how I see it...

So...what's your stand? What do you feel about video game violence?

Shadowfaith October 24th, 2005 6:48 AM

I'm not sure whether this should go into other chat, or stay here x_x

Ah well XD

Anyway, I totally agree with you on the matter, it's not the games fault, and ratings are there for a reason, just like films and parental advisories on CD cases. They shouldn't be taken lightly in my opinion, people thing that just because it's a game it can't have any effect on small kids, well reality check, it can and I even have an example:

My brother is thirteen, not exactly young, but not old enough to play the grand theft auto games in the first place. Well, my parents bought him a grand theft auto game for Christmas and he didn't stop playing it, what happens next? Well, he start to think that being a criminal would be cool and that robbing places would pay off big time. These were his exact words by the way.

My parents should not have bought him the game in the first place, it's rated eighteen for a reason. Though I have to say that these games can corrupt the minds of anyone, even older people, I think that many criminals do get their ideas from TV programmes and such games as Grand Theft Auto.

So the blame is half and half in my opinion: Parents should take the warning of the ratings, but I also think that people’s minds are to easily corrupt by such things, some people are week in the head and would actually think that doing these things would payoff.

Let's say its like Pokemon, some people believe these creatures to be real, it could easily be said for Grand Theft Auto games too. You see someone shooting away and someone else and making a clean get away, some will start to think that they can do it in reality.

Sankari October 24th, 2005 6:53 AM

I completely agree with you there. Like I said, it just depends on if the person playing the game can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Some weird-o people can't and start wanting to be exactly like the person(s) in the game their playing. Not just violent games, though...maybe a little kid around 5 or 6 is playing Spyro and wants to be a dragon O.o Who knows!? That might lead to bad things...I guess...

Shadowfaith October 24th, 2005 6:54 AM

Yeah like setting the house on fire with a flame thrower from the shed x_x

bna_li October 24th, 2005 6:55 AM

I think it is PARTLY the game's fault. But you can't hold the game totally responsible. People might have gone and killed people in the future whether they played the game or not.

Sankari October 24th, 2005 6:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ~*Strider*~
Yeah like setting the house on fire with a flame thrower from the shed x_x

>.o Well, you never know what goes through a little kids head! I'm just acting weird today xD

Shadowfaith October 24th, 2005 6:59 AM

The reality is, that people like these types of games and I doubt there will be any chance of stopping them now, so it's down to the parents really to take note of the rating and make sure that their kids know how to define Fantasy and reality.

SPon11: I was being seriouse XD, but still it is a good example none the less...like my Pokemon one...but the more realisic the game, the more chance of some people (mainly kids) taking note of it.

bna_li October 24th, 2005 7:07 AM

I have played the GTA games, and I liked them. But they have never made me violent... I mean, I was already violent, but they didn't make me do things that were illegal.

Shiney October 24th, 2005 7:25 AM

My stand on videogames Is almost exactly that of Ethan from http://cad-comic.com/index.php

Videogames donn't make people violent, ignorant people blaming everyone they can but themselves make people violent. Sure there may be some MINOR effect on the psyche, but the people who will be inspired to go on a killing spree because of a videogame are already pretty freaking messed up, in my ever so humble opinion.

Arcanine October 24th, 2005 7:53 AM

The Government shouldn't have any say so in how games are made and how they are rated. Lots of the Government stuff is crap anyway (If I remember right ESRB was started by a US Senator, and look how screwed up it is now). Tomorrow I'm gonig to go out and get Battlefield 2: Moderen Combat. It's an FPS (First-Person-Shooter), after I play that game am I going to go out, get an M16 and start killing or think that's ok? No, I'm over the age of 13 (soon I'll be 17, aka being able to buy M rated games without having a parent buy it for me), I know it's not right to kill and all that stuff.

Like Shiney said, people who go out and kill was done screwed up in the mind before the game. They didn't play GTA and go "Wow, this looks fun. I'm going to do it in real life and see how fun it is".

The rating system is there for a reason.
E: Should be for kids 7 and up.
T: Should be for kids 13 and up.
M: Should be for kids 17 and up.

Cybex Mewtwo October 24th, 2005 8:46 AM

Ah yes.....videogame violence....a staple of government issues.

For me, I've been a gamer since I was 2. That means games have been with me for 17 years. I've seen it all and played it all, yet I'm a respectable citizen. people who blame violent acts to videogames have never really seen some benefits. for one, they help with hand eye coordination. it helped me out with that. ^^

Regardless though.....it really annoys me...>.>

Sankari October 24th, 2005 10:07 AM

The government is just a bunch of schmos xD They don't know what they're talking about. There are many violent videogames, yes, but they aren't the only things that drive the human mind to be so violent in nature. In nature, I said, not physically. Human's like violence. It's just the way we are. There are many forms of media: books, movies, music...in fact, I think music is the worst, to be honest O.o The government just doesn't like video games because of how interactive they are.

Remember: the goverment thought Furbies were dangerous >.>

RoxasOld October 24th, 2005 10:25 AM

Dude, I've played all of the Grand Theft Auto games and major loads of First Person Shooters. But you dont see me running around with a huge gun and a little paper, trying to keep score of how many head shots I got. People need to learn that games have nothing to do with what children are doing outside of their house.

Linoone October 24th, 2005 10:35 AM

I think murderers just blame video games so the polige goes softer on them and because they need an excuse, not just fun, why hasn't the government thought about this yet?*faints*

Sankari October 24th, 2005 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenshin11212
Dude, I've played all of the Grand Theft Auto games and major loads of First Person Shooters. But you dont see me running around with a huge gun and a little paper, trying to keep score of how many head shots I got. People need to learn that games have nothing to do with what children are doing outside of their house.

On certain occasions, yes. But, like we've all said, it depends on the person. The person has to be a little crazy in the first place in order to do stuff like that in real life.

RoxasOld October 24th, 2005 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPon11
On certain occasions, yes. But, like we've all said, it depends on the person. The person has to be a little crazy in the first place in order to do stuff like that in real life.

Or maybe the person always wanted to do that kind of stuf their whole life. And they just happened to play a game about doing the stuff.

saint jimmmey October 24th, 2005 11:00 AM

yes the pearents shouldn't be letting the kids near the games in the first place.
but these games only affect children who are wrong in the head.
if a book caused a gross act of violence then it would be ignored or treat with less significance then games.
for some reason the government only realy blames games and tv for that stuff.

Sankari October 24th, 2005 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saint jimmmey
yes the pearents shouldn't be letting the kids near the games in the first place.
but these games only affect children who are wrong in the head.
if a book caused a gross act of violence then it would be ignored or treat with less significance then games.
for some reason the government only realy blames games and tv for that stuff.

It must have something to do with visual stimulation...They think it effects the mind more than books, but that's completely inaccurate. Books impact my mind much more. Just me in particular, though. I'm not saying that's the same with everyone...it may be, but how should I know? XD

Nedrag Terces12 October 25th, 2005 11:53 AM

I think that a little violence is needed in most games(exceptions being things like tetris). It's the complete idiocy of the person to go and do w/e they do when they get influence from a game. A game's a game, no one should even get compelled to do violent things from playing a violent video game. As i said before certain types of video games have to have violence, there really is no way to limit that substantially without having the gaming industry plummet to the ground.

Atomic October 25th, 2005 1:09 PM

it depends on if the person can set reality and fantasy apart i mean if someone watches a scary movie they may be influinced to be scared trying to goto sleep or in a video game it can influince you greatly because many people include playing video games and such as when you see a tv ad and you want to buy something your influince could be the ad itself so its likely that they could do something under such an influince or if you play army games you may want to join the army later in life

Nedrag Terces12 October 25th, 2005 6:33 PM

I see what you mean, but if that's how it is then that person doesn't have to play video games, i haven't played video games in quite a while, and i don't think i'm even going to get the new systems(revolution, ps3, xbox 360) at this point.

Legolas October 25th, 2005 9:51 PM

Anything over M rated should be BAN! Although there are some games i want to play that are M, one.) i couldn't get it cause of my parents| two.) Its bad for your brains yes. I am only 12, but i play lots of T rated games, but violence is very low/mediem. I used to play GTA SD *at my friends house* (Grand Theft Auto san Andreas) It was good, but it was so violent and bad, i finally decided to not play it EVER again. There is no dam reason to put that kind of sh!* into my brain. T rated games have enough action for me. Oh, and three.) Its agaienst the law for a minor to play a M rated game, yet people do it all the time, and cops don't do crap about it, which i find crappy >.< So, M RATED GAMES SHOULD BE BANED, BURNED, AND NEVER PLAYED AGAIN! You people don't even want my words for A rated games *adults only (21 and over)* rated games such as GTA SA *it has now been rated A for prono in it, you just need to put a cheat code* As for those, short and simply, WHY THE F*** DID THEY EVEN MAKE A RATING FOR SUCH A GOD DAM BAD GAME? WHY ARE THEY EVEN CREATED? *sigh* I guess the producers are nothing but dumb f***s that where mental retards in school, and had bad parents who didn't give a sh!* 'bout them, so they are so imature they decided to make those kind of bad games, AND THAT GOES FOR M RATED GAMES TOO!

TRIFORCE89 October 26th, 2005 5:26 AM

There's a number of things when it comes to violent video games. Firsty, I feel that the ESRB is flawed. They should first create another category inbetween Teen and Mature, or give Mature a new subcategory. Becuase many of the game under Mature should not be grouped with the others in the category. Splinter Cell should not be rated the same as Grand Theft Auto. The ESRB should also change the way they rate games. At the moment, developers just have to submuit the section they feel is most vioent, they could lie so they don't end up with an AO. They also don't have to submit their coding, hence the Hot Coffee scandal. This has to be addressed and fixed.

I do applaud what California has done by making it law to refuse the sale of M rated games to minors. The ESRBalready says this, but if it's law I'm pretty sure that people will try obeying it a lot more, the ESRB won't get them in trouble, the government will.

I have nothing against violence in video games, as long as it's not senseless and stupid, and just violence for the sake of violence. IE, Grand Theft Auto. War games don't bother (although the genre is getting crowded now), it's war, violence is part of it. Spy games don't bother me. It's Grand Theft Auto an other RockStar games and the like, where's its' violence for the sake of having violence and the player gets rewarded for bad behaviour.

It's the responsibility of the stores to keep these games out of the hands of minors. But it's also, and mroe strongly so, the parents'. Parents have to be educated and know that video games aren't kid things anymore (why they buy GTA for their kid is beyond me. Bikini clad women and smoking and alcohol are right on the box!). Parents can blame themselves for buying the game for their kids, stores for selling to a kid or to a parent when you see the kid right there, and the developers for making such rubbish and marketing it towards kids. It's like alcohol, and cigarettes, Rock Star works the same way.

Mario The World Champion October 26th, 2005 5:59 AM

I have been playing video games since I was a little kid and I've seen how games have evolved from little 8-bit sprites to the fully 3D characters in almost real life worlds we see in games today. And the realism of the games has also increased greatly, and that involved the level of violence these days.

My stance? It's the parent's job to keep an eye on what games their kids play. They should be smart enough to read the ratings on the games. And if they have the Net at their own house, you gan go online to the main ESRB site to learn more. It's not that hard, but parents don't want to take responsibility for their kids burning down a building or killing innocent people just because they played that in a game. They make the game makers the scapegoats.

That's why I hate people like Joesph Lieberman, Jack Thompson and every other nutbar who wants to throw the hammer at video games. They don't realize that 97% of all gamers are law-abiding citizens of the U.S. it's the 3% that I worry about. The wackos that can't distingush between real and fantasy and the kids like thoose two kids that shot up Columbine. I worry about those wackos.

I do remember this one moment when I was 12. Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES and Genesis and they had this little rating thing on the box saying that the game was for players 13 years old and older. My mom decided since I was 12, it was okay for me to play it, since my Brother owned the game in the first place. I didn't mind all the blood and fatalities in that game. I watched the movie "Aliens" when I was just 6.

However, when Mortal Kombat II came out, my Mom wouldn't let me play it until I was 16 years old. The first M-rated game I played? Resident Evil 2. And I was just 4 weeks from turning 17 years old. So, she did take charge to watch what I played. And I secretly thank her for it.

Lastly, I won't post my opinions about Grand Theft Auto.

TRIFORCE89 October 26th, 2005 11:51 AM

I think Jack Thompson has the right idea, he's just not executing it properly at all. He's lying about what other politicians have said to him, he's making up fake stories, he's trying to bribe developers / make them look bad at the same time. He think the entire industry, every game, is violent. The guy has the right ideas about legisltations, and keeping violent games out of children's hands, just...he's doing it all wrong and he thinks every game is violent.


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