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Samson October 29th, 2006 10:34 PM

oh, well that's good to know. i've never played any link battling or the such, but i've beaten the battle tower and battle frontier many times. i just don't take battling as serious, you could say.

ok, i need help on one more thing. i've beaten the elite four twice hoping that the cave on 1 island would open up, but it hasn't. i'm so fustrated now. the last time i played leaf green, i had no trouble beating the game throughout the whole thing, but now that i'm playing it on a DS lite, i suppose i'm not as lucky as i was. i'm trying to get the ruby plate, but unfortunately, the cave won't open and professor oak doesn't seem to want to give me the national dex. am i supposed to catch a number of pokemon before he does? i have 39 as it is, and i've tried looking it up on serebii, but it says nothing of the sort. grr...

shanecdavis October 30th, 2006 3:30 AM

Well, to each their own, I guess. Just know that the DS has WiFi capability, allowing you to battle other people in Diamond/Pearl. If you apply these tactics there, you will get your ass handed to you on a regular basis. I was just trying to make you better.

As for the NP, you need to have caught/evolved 60 species of Pokes. Once achieved, Oak gives it you and the Grunts at Mt. Ember will battle you.

Samson October 30th, 2006 7:44 AM

thanks! i evolved all the pokemon i hadn't been using and made a use of all the pokemon that can be evolved with stones in the game (<3 starmie). i have 60 now as it is, but i'm trying to breed eevee for D/P. flareon and ditto don't like eachother ._.

shanecdavis October 30th, 2006 10:52 AM

It doesn't matter. That is usually the response you get when you use Ditto, but all that means is the process of getting an egg takes longer. Ditto can breed with all Pokes that don't belong in the Unbreedable Egg group. That is legendaries, babies, and Nidorina/Nidoqueen. When the Pokes prefer to play with others is when you should worry because you won't get an egg in that case.

Korq October 30th, 2006 6:18 PM

I just beat gym 8 and told yes to Bill and now can't get back to Kanto. is possible to get back?
sorry my english is bad

Forci Stikane October 30th, 2006 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Korq (Post 2278640)
I just beat gym 8 and told yes to Bill and now can't get back to Kanto. is possible to get back?
sorry my english is bad

Not until you help Celio get his machine up and running. However, do that, and you're free to leave.

By the way, how'd you get through all EIGHT Gyms before that? You're supposed to go after Gym 7 (Cinnabar).

Ayano Katagiri October 30th, 2006 7:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichapokemr (Post 2278663)
By the way, how'd you get through all EIGHT Gyms before that? You're supposed to go after Gym 7 (Cinnabar).

Ummm.... it doesnt matter... you can do it before or after the 8th gym. once you beat the 7th gym you can say no to Bill about going and then he goes to the Pokemon center and you carry on with the game and beat Gym 8 and then go back to Bill and go to 1 Island.

Shellder November 1st, 2006 5:12 PM

Okay i have a quick question about it, i just started LG liek 10 mins ago, when do i (if i do) get the running shoes? Its so slow otherwise :P

shanecdavis November 1st, 2006 5:48 PM

Oak's aide will give them to you after you defeat Brock. He is by Route 3.

Shellder November 1st, 2006 6:02 PM

Okay thanks, Broks killed me 3 times, stupid Onyx, my Charmander keeps missing so Brock gets a chance to kill me. Dangit!

CrystalFlow November 1st, 2006 8:59 PM

is light ball obtainable in lg?

i bet it is just want to make sure

Samson November 1st, 2006 11:40 PM

awesome!! i breeded my flareon with ditto to get 3 eevee eggs and they all learned iron tail and secret power. i had no idea you could do that 0.o... finally found a sneasel too. i'm so gonna own in D/P :D

shanecdavis November 2nd, 2006 5:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellder (Post 2280323)
Okay thanks, Broks killed me 3 times, stupid Onyx, my Charmander keeps missing so Brock gets a chance to kill me. Dangit!

Ummm, you shouldn't be keeping Charmander in against an Onix. Fire is crappy enough without going up against its weakness. Use Water or Grass or Ground instead. Why on earth is Charmander "missing"?

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Originally Posted by bleake (Post 2280435)
is light ball obtainable in lg?

i bet it is just want to make sure

Yes. Pikachu can be found holding it about 5% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2280515)
awesome!! i breeded my flareon with ditto to get 3 eevee eggs and they all learned iron tail and secret power. i had no idea you could do that 0.o... finally found a sneasel too. i'm so gonna own in D/P :D

Good to hear you have found the wonders of move passing through breeding. Don't use Secret Power though. That is a crappy move. Iron Tail isn't much better.

CrystalFlow November 2nd, 2006 12:04 PM

thanks shane, you're always helpful.

Shellder November 2nd, 2006 12:31 PM

Yea shane im using Charmander for Metal Claw, its super effective on onix so thats why, and im not sure but Charmander missed 3 times :P I beat him now, im past Cerulean city..

shanecdavis November 2nd, 2006 12:57 PM

Yikes. Avoid using a low accuracy move against an opponent with a STAB move. It doesn't matter if the move is SE against them or not. As you can see, you missed THREE times. Thankfully the AI is too stupid to capitalize on it and you were able to survive. Against someone with a functional brain, you would have been screwed after the first miss. Like I always say, playing in-game against the weak AI only teaches trainers bad habits. The smartest thing they could have done was put a difficulty level in.

Samson November 2nd, 2006 5:34 PM

=/ what's so crappy about secret power and iron tail? it's perfect for my flareon having a high attack and all. secret power isn't the best physical move that it could know, i know that, but it helps because it can have a different amount of effects. but it also knows double-edge, so i'm not too concerned with it...

speaking of which, is there a way to multiply the amount of TMs you have? i want my venomoth to learn psychic but i don't want to waste the tm. i'm not speaking in terms of cheat codes, but maybe there's a trick i haven't considered.

shanecdavis November 2nd, 2006 8:06 PM

First of all, Secret Power is crappy because it is only 70 AP. Second, you should not give Normal attacks to non-Normal Pokes since they do not get any benefit from them. Granted, Flareon's movepool is so limited that it is an exception, but you are MUCH better off using Body Slam which is 85 AP, or my preference of Return which can be 105 AP with max Happiness. Even the HM Strength (80 AP) would be more preferable.

Iron Tail is only 75% accurate, and should not be considered a viable option to keep it in against a Rock-type. As the previous poster has shown, you can gamble against the AI and survive, but against an opponent that doesn't use mathmetical calculations to determine what attack to use, Flareon is dead meat. Not only is speed an issue, but you have the chance of missing. That is also why Substitute is preferred on Flareon. That is also why Shadow Ball is, as well. With a Normal move being the only decent physical attack on Flareon, SB is for the typical Gengar switch.

Now, if you will only ever battle against the pathetic AI, even when you can go WiFi with the DS and DP, continue to battle however you please and with whatever moves you like. If you ever battle against someone else that even remotely knows how to play and you want to stand a chance of not going 0-6, consider a change in strategy. I keep saying it, and I will keep saying it. The AI teaches trainers bad strategy that cannot be applied when battling against someone else.

It is possible to "multiply" TM moves. Any TM the father knows will be passed on to the baby, as long as the baby can learn that move. For example, if a male Swampert that knows TM Ice Beam and HM Surf, and it breeds with a Ditto, the baby Mudkip will be born knowing both moves. As for your Venomoth, if would have not evolved it, Venonat learns Psychic naturally at Lv41. You can also breed your Venemoth (if it is female) with a Spinarak that knows Psychic (Lv53) and your Venonat baby will be born knowing it.

Raptorfan_Drew November 3rd, 2006 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shellder (Post 2280323)
Okay thanks, Broks killed me 3 times, stupid Onyx, my Charmander keeps missing so Brock gets a chance to kill me. Dangit!

I personally started with Charmander and its relatively easy..just let up until you learn the steel move, metal claw or something + evolve into charmeleon and you're fine...

Samson November 3rd, 2006 11:59 PM

thanks for making that clear for me shane. i figured now that the best thing to do is make sure that my pokemon are at the lowest necessary levels in my leaf green save so that they learn the best possible moves in D/P. so i started looking at the pokemon movesets in D/P, and while looking at the possible moves my lvl 30 dragonair is destined to learn, i thought to look at dragonite's moveset on serebii. i'm confused about the following:

— Fire Punch
75 100 15 10
A fiery punch that may burn the foe.
— Thunderpunch
75 100 15 10
An electrified punch that may paralyze the foe.
— Feather Rest
-- -- 10 --
Restores half of max HP
— Wrap
15 85 20 --
Wraps and squeezes the foe 2 to 5 times with vines, etc.
— Leer
-- 100 30 --
Frightens the foe with a leer to lower DEFENSE.
— Thunder Wave
-- 100 20 --
A weak jolt of electricity that paralyzes the foe.
— Twister
40 100 20 20
Whips up a vicious twister to tear at the foe.

instead of there being a level, there is a "--" there. what does that mean?

also, i looked at the egg moves of different pokemon, and believed them to be true until i looked at eevee's egg moves. it doesn't verify that it can learn iron tail and secret power as egg moves, but all of my eevee, in fact, learn them as egg moves. is there something i'm not getting?

shanecdavis November 4th, 2006 5:02 AM

Yes, there are a few things you are not getting. The first one, I admittedly don't know. I know Dratini learns Thunder Wave at Lv8, but Leer and Wrap don't give a level for Dratini either. I have heard them termed as 'Level 0-1' moves, but haven't yet figured out how they are learned.

Your other issue is that you are confusing true Egg moves with other moves that a Poke can learn through breeding. There are three different types of moves passed on through breeding. Natural moves, TM moves, and Egg moves. Natural moves are simple. If both parents have the same move that they learn naturally, the baby will be born with that move. For example, if a ma and pa Tyranitar both know Crunch, a move that a normal Larvitar cannot learn until Lv43, the baby Larvitar will be born with Crunch, giving you a decisive advantage. Once again, BOTH parents must know the move in order for it to be passed down. Next are TM moves. Any TM/HM moves that the FATHER knows can be passed down to the baby through breeding, assuming the baby can learn that move. Please refer to my previous example of Mudkip that can be born with both HM Surf and TM Ice Beam. Now, even though your daddy Swampert knows Earthquake, Mudkip cannot, so EQ will not be passed on to the baby in this case. The last are your Egg moves. These are moves that your baby can learn through breeding that it can in no other way learn. For example, your Dragonite can learn Dragon Dance, Dragonbreath, Haze, Light Screen, Mist, or Supersonic through breeding with a Poke that knows that move. To get a baby Dratini that knows Dragon Dance (a highly suggestion move for Dragonite), you breed a female with a male Altaria that knows Dragon Dance, which it learns at Lv40. The ensuing baby will be born with Dragon Dance.

Breeding gets more involved where you can use TMs over and over and using chaining methods to get moves from one Poke, through one or two other Pokes, and finally onto the target Poke.

Shellder November 4th, 2006 6:09 PM

Okay i have a question about the day care:

How dose it work, is it a certain amount of time for one level or is it so many steps is one level. And if you knwo what the number is please let me knwo. getting my dragonair from Lv 31 to 55 isnt easy -.-'

Ayano Katagiri November 4th, 2006 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shellder (Post 2282701)
Okay i have a question about the day care:

How dose it work, is it a certain amount of time for one level or is it so many steps is one level. And if you knwo what the number is please let me knwo. getting my dragonair from Lv 31 to 55 isnt easy -.-'

It works by the number of steps. Your Pokemon in daycare gets 1 exp for every step you do and yes getting from lv 31 to 55 wont be easy and will cost you some money.. you would be better off training it yourself with a exp share.

Shellder November 4th, 2006 6:23 PM

thats what iv been doing is Exp Share on him and then I faced the Elite Four (well the first girl, cause im no where near ready for them, so i beat a few of hers and black otu but it gets the most exp that way).

Another Question: Can you make Secret Bases in LG and FR? Im going to take a wild gusse and say no but i dunno, i accidently deleted secret power in my Sapphire game so ill trade the pokemon from LG that i teach Secret power to over to Sapphire.

Ayano Katagiri November 4th, 2006 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shellder (Post 2282712)
Another Question: Can you make Secret Bases in LG and FR? Im going to take a wild gusse and say no but i dunno, i accidently deleted secret power in my Sapphire game so ill trade the pokemon from LG that i teach Secret power to over to Sapphire.

No there are no secret bases in LG/FR. SB can only be made in R/S/E and D/P.


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