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Frostweaver September 20th, 2003 5:08 PM

Kazaa- now illegal?
 
*Canada News*

Downloading from Kazaa maybe illegal for Canadians now, as it violates copyright laws (mostly for the music industry...). If people download from Kazaa then no one will buy the CD. So the parliament is planning to take action to either persuade the world to help shuting down Kazaa, or at least sue all Canadians who download from Kazaa (how they are going to be doing that is still debatable... they're talking about this right now).

What do you think about this? Are any other countries in the world taking similar actions?

22sa September 20th, 2003 5:09 PM

I doubt any country has very strict laws against piracy, but you're right, it is illegal.;)

Kyosuke September 20th, 2003 5:13 PM

Even if canadians downloaded from Kazaa, I don't think that the publishers lawyers, would go and try to sue every single person who downloaded off it, and its just like roms on the internet, its illegal, but nobody seems to care to do anything.

22sa September 20th, 2003 5:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiquidThunder
Even if canadians downloaded from Kazaa, I don't think that the publishers lawyers, would go and try to sue every single person who downloaded off it, and its just like roms on the internet, its illegal, but nobody seems to care to do anything.

In other words, the morals of it being illegal is too uncommon.

Haruka September 20th, 2003 5:15 PM

I hate Privacy. I perfer buying the whole CD or buying it from a payed online service. It's a sin to steal things from other people. You know that. It's in the 10 comandments. :P

22sa September 20th, 2003 5:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haruka
I hate Privacy. I perfer buying the whole CD or buying it from a payed online service. It's a sin to steal things from other people. You know that. It's in the 10 comandments. :P

Well there's many people that believe it isn't stealing and others are just not Christian anyways. It's a sin to hate btw...

Haruka September 20th, 2003 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22sa
Well there's many people that believe it isn't stealing and others are just not Christian anyways. It's a sin to hate btw...

so, it will be a sin to hate digimon.. Oh my gosh!

Kyosuke September 20th, 2003 5:21 PM

Everybody steals in thier life without even noticing it, eg. Taking pictures off the internet, or even using pics in signatures.

MoonLight September 20th, 2003 5:43 PM

it's werid how there doing this cuz yes i used to use Kazaa but i still buy Cd's all the time but i like having mixed cd's also not everyone is going to go out and but a 20,25 dollar cd just for one or 2 songs they like it's crazy, then what will be the purpose of mp3 players then ah crazy

22sa September 20th, 2003 5:47 PM

Yeah and some people use it to determine if they actually want to buy the CD or not. A lot of CDs I bought kind of felt like rip-offs where only one or two songs are good and not the rest...

Kyosuke September 20th, 2003 5:50 PM

Thats the main reason why people have cd burners, to download what they want, and put it on a mix cd.

DragonTrainer September 20th, 2003 6:31 PM

Even if they get rid of kazaa, people will make new piracy sites.All I download from the net is roms.

Timbjerr September 20th, 2003 6:33 PM

I once used Napster when itwas under fire, then I decided to stop all my acts of piracy. I still dislike buying CDs too ( it's like paying around $5 for one or two good songs and 12 trash songs...)

So now I just listen to my regular radio station and/or websites with public wav. files...

22sa September 20th, 2003 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonTrainer
Even if they get rid of kazaa, people will make new piracy sites.All I download from the net is roms.

Yea I think they most likely well too. >.>;;

G-LANCE September 20th, 2003 6:34 PM

if they're gonna ban kazaa they might as well make mp3's illegal!
(i have an mp3, a really cool one too)

Hakudoushi-kun September 20th, 2003 6:45 PM

it isn't exactly illegal, since no one is selling the stuff on kazaa. it's called "sharing"

22sa September 20th, 2003 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by images
it isn't exactly illegal, since no one is selling the stuff on kazaa. it's called "sharing"

A lot of people would say what you just said.

To tell you the truth is, it's still piracy, so it's still illegal, though.

Kyosuke September 20th, 2003 6:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 22sa
A lot of people would say what you just said.

To tell you the truth is, it's still piracy, so it's still illegal, though.

Exactly, anything that is used or copied without permission is Piracy, even though that roms are always used, nobody wants to do anything about it. And even though that I download things, I think that roms and mp3's will never stop going around, theres always going to be someone putting it out on the internet. And people downloading them...

22sa September 20th, 2003 7:05 PM

I think Nintendo has copyright for it's games for like 70 years or so... After the copyright to expires, it'll be legal to download ROMs I guess.

Miyu-chan September 20th, 2003 10:57 PM

Hmmm... *goes to download mp3s and saves them in her mp3 player* Taiwan hasn't made that law yet, in fact, I think that they're encorging people to download it. x_x; I don't thank many people in Taiwna have heard about KaZaA alot though... >_>

Scythemantis September 21st, 2003 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haruka
so, it will be a sin to hate digimon.. Oh my gosh!

Nothing wrong with digimon :P

Anyway, downloading music does not fall into the definition of "stealing"...it's illegal, but it can't actually be called stealing. There's a better word, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

Anyway, music downloads do not harm the music industry. They are being used as a cheap scapegoat to explain away a slow and steady drop in sales that began long before file sharing even began.

People who download music almost always either still buy just as much or wouldn't buy any music anywa, kinda like me, since I've never bought any CD and possibly never will. I'm just not real big into music, and I start to dislike any song I hear more than a couple times a year. When I do download an MP3 it's some rare obscure TV/movie theme and I listen to it only a couple times before growing bored and deleting it. Is that any different from, say, borrowing a friend's CD for a while?

And yes, if there is a "problem" it's that music is unreasonably expensive. Technically a whole CD is worth less than a dollar no matter WHAT is on it, as they cost only pennies to mass produce.

Dizzy September 21st, 2003 9:14 AM

Firstly , My teacher said they go after distributers first.
The Distributers are people who have 1000 files or more on there File share program ; in this case KaZaA.Once they catch the people with the 1000 files or more , the people will get fined over 10,000 Americans for each file on there Program.

Nextly , They will Go after the Little Guys , People who have 500 files or more, Like the Distributers , These People will be fined , but only 8000 Americans.

Lastly , People who have downloaded some amounts of songs , like 100 or less , will be fined but less ... The price is unknown but There are the facts

If your wondering where i got this from , I had to write an essay about it.

Haruka September 21st, 2003 9:28 AM

pffft.. It's the RIAA fualt that the prices go up. Prices go up on CDs when people stop buying them.. Oh, yets go download them off for free. NOT! do you know downloading music illeagally is stealing?

There are places that open up. You can buy a single music file for a cheap price. Examples like Apple's iTunes, Real One, etc. The half of the profits go to the RIAA. :P isn't that nice?

Dizzy September 21st, 2003 9:39 AM

I agree ,

The Riaa Needs to back off , The more people downloads the artists song , the more popular.......

DragonTrainer September 21st, 2003 10:05 AM

But then again, the more you download music, the more money the artists lose.


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