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Crystal Clair September 2nd, 2008 4:22 PM

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Misty: "Just keep doing your best".
Ash: "Uh...What do you mean?"
Misty "Well you know...Without me there...."
To me, that quote, when I first heard it, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I dont remember if I cried but I probably did.

Weedle, according to Pocketmonsters DP93 is the one where Melissa makes her first appearance so it'd be kinda sudden for Misty to suddenly show up in the very next episode.

I didn't think it sounded one bit like Misty though, that song that played the second she finished speaking. And weirdly enough, I once heard a song very similar to that one. Maybe it was ripped off.

weedle_mchairybug September 2nd, 2008 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Clair (Post 3904830)
To me, that quote, when I first heard it, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. I dont remember if I cried but I probably did.

Weedle, according to Pocketmonsters DP93 is the one where Melissa makes her first appearance so it'd be kinda sudden for Misty to suddenly show up in the very next episode.

I didn't think it sounded one bit like Misty though, that song that played the second she finished speaking. And weirdly enough, I once heard a song very similar to that one. Maybe it was ripped off.

Yeah, true, but then again, the Mirage Kingdom Arc seemed a bit sudden as well, even for those who DID watch Date With Delcatty. Heck, her reappearing in Ash's Return to Kanto seemed a tiny bit sudden as well.

And also, what broke the camel's back for me was "Maxxed Out", since that's technically when I heard her voice.

Speaking of Fantina, ten Pokedollars says that Fantina would be busted by the PIA for abandoning the gym (I mean, if Misty's sisters being absent nearly caused the gym to be shut down, how would the PIA allow Hearthome Gym to operationally contine? I seriously doubt they would have, really.)

Also, as I've said, I can't watch it due to the boycott (then again, even if I weren't on boycott, I still can't watch it due to the fact that we kinda had to eliminate cable from our tv, and since Cartoon Network was on our Cable provider, well...)

Crystal Clair September 2nd, 2008 7:24 PM

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And also, what broke the camel's back for me was "Maxxed Out", since that's technically when I heard her voice.
Where was her voice? The only thing I remember about that episode was that it was Nurse Joy's first episode where she didn't have her original voice actor. Boy was that a dramatic day but that's besides the point. I know Jessie doesn't sound that much like Misty so that cant be it...
was it Maxx?... or was it Surskit.

sirboulevard September 2nd, 2008 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3904901)
Speaking of Fantina, ten Pokedollars says that Fantina would be busted by the PIA for abandoning the gym (I mean, if Misty's sisters being absent nearly caused the gym to be shut down, how would the PIA allow Hearthome Gym to operationally contine? I seriously doubt they would have, really.)

I don't think the PIA shuts down gyms for the leader being absent. Gym Leaders have been seen in places besides their gyms ie: Whitney was on her day off when Ash met her, Jasmine taking care of Amphy/Sparky, Viridian Gym was still open w/out a proper leader with Agatha working as an interim (meaing that all E4 challenges were probably canceled), and Erika works as the manager of her perfume shop meaning she's probably only there on certain days or has an Assitant Leader who takes challengers for her. I think the reason the PIA would have shut down Cerulean Gym is because the Sensational Sisters were going to be gone for a full year, which is unacceptable for a vacation(the PIA seems very relaxed though, they did let Daisy give out badges w/out any battling). Plus Misty has to close the gym every time she needs Gym Badges from Kinso. So, Fantina could have (a) been on official Gym business (which could have taken a while if she was getting her badges from Kinso as well, Rifore is a long way from Sinnoh), (b) on a sanctioned vacation, (c) working (several gym leaders have 2nd jobs), (d) had been called to Pokemon League HQ (I bet Gym Leaders have to talk to the boss sometimes and she is new and foreign so she may have needed extra counseling).

Also I dont think american viewers can claim the Mirage Kingdom arc wasnt a surprise really. A Date with Delcatty (which is my favorite Misty EP, BTW) wasnt dubbed until 2 years after the Mirage Kingdom Arc and it didnt mention Misty visiting Ash, it only happened in the Japanese version. [\Rant Mode] Nice to meet you, btw!

weedle_mchairybug September 3rd, 2008 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3905322)
I don't think the PIA shuts down gyms for the leader being absent. Gym Leaders have been seen in places besides their gyms ie: Whitney was on her day off when Ash met her, Jasmine taking care of Amphy/Sparky, Viridian Gym was still open w/out a proper leader with Agatha working as an interim (meaing that all E4 challenges were probably canceled), and Erika works as the manager of her perfume shop meaning she's probably only there on certain days or has an Assitant Leader who takes challengers for her. I think the reason the PIA would have shut down Cerulean Gym is because the Sensational Sisters were going to be gone for a full year, which is unacceptable for a vacation(the PIA seems very relaxed though, they did let Daisy give out badges w/out any battling). Plus Misty has to close the gym every time she needs Gym Badges from Kinso. So, Fantina could have (a) been on official Gym business (which could have taken a while if she was getting her badges from Kinso as well, Rifore is a long way from Sinnoh), (b) on a sanctioned vacation, (c) working (several gym leaders have 2nd jobs), (d) had been called to Pokemon League HQ (I bet Gym Leaders have to talk to the boss sometimes and she is new and foreign so she may have needed extra counseling).

Well, the Amphy/Sparky thing was probably acceptable since it would have been a greater good to have to skip out of the gym rather than risk Ampharos succumbing even further from the illness (since, if she didn't skip out, far too many ships of all classes would have ended up as shipwrecks.)

As for Viridian Gym, it would have been a moot point since Giovanni was Fired.

Celadon Gym at least had SOMEONE keeping the gym tidy and challenging the gym, and anyways, it's also hinted that she runs the gym at night (since that was what it was when Erika was holding those classes, as well as when she challenged Ash.)

Fantina, on the other hand, was gone for much longer than a day, possibly even a month or more, since it was implied in Dawn's early night that she was gone long before Ash and co arrived in Hearthome, and she was still gone by the time they revisited Hearthome, and considering the fact that there was a note stating not to find her typical to how the gym is labeled to be closed, I'd say that she didn't even leave it to her attendants.

also, theres another situation, e, spending that entire month doing contests and other things instead of doing her duty as a gym leader.

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Also I dont think american viewers can claim the Mirage Kingdom arc wasnt a surprise really. A Date with Delcatty (which is my favorite Misty EP, BTW) wasnt dubbed until 2 years after the Mirage Kingdom Arc and it didnt mention Misty visiting Ash, it only happened in the Japanese version. [\Rant Mode] Nice to meet you, btw!
err... Dogasu kinda did when he reviewed the Princess and the Togepi, and he even said that the line of Misty becoming a great gym leader is apparantly in the original version of Date with delcatty in his comparison of that episode. Then again, he might have made a mistake, considering how Dogasu mentioned the same "misconception" that Misty decides to visit Hoenn as soon as her sisters "decomission" her.

And nice to meet you too.

@Crystal Clair: I was referring to an incident at May 25th, 2006 at Scottish rites. I was forced to watch AG (I was fearful about watching it since I had memories of Arthur calling DW and whatever she watches/reads/does as being Babyish multiple episodes.), and, well, I heard a whiny, poodlish voice, which I thought was May at the time (which would also explain why I hated her, since it did remind me of a FAS.). however, it turned out to be a surskit that was the culprit. but even with that revalation, the actions she commited still reminded me of... well, the you-know-what.

well, anyone want to comment of the first part of my BMB video?

sirboulevard September 3rd, 2008 2:55 PM

It still does not change the fact that she MAY have had PIA approval. If they signed off she could have left and the gym would not be closed.

Also anyone have a misty related topic?

weedle_mchairybug September 3rd, 2008 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3907130)
It still does not change the fact that she MAY have had PIA approval. If they signed off she could have left and the gym would not be closed.

Also anyone have a misty related topic?

Err... does reviews for the first part of a Bring Misty Back video count as a Misty Related Topic? Because I kinda did start it fairly recently.

As for whether she had PIA approval or not, let's wait until we return to Hearthome for the third consecutive time to see (if the PIA makes an appearance with something similar to a bazooka, I'm afraid that it wasn't with their approval.)

sirboulevard September 3rd, 2008 11:22 PM

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Lol, that was a reference to Agent Thedora. I miss those Misty episodes. They should have been a series in of themselves (it was more interesting than Ash's adventures). Agent Thedora & the PIA would've been a great villian. For those of you who have no clue what we're referencing it's this PIA scene from Cerulean Blues.

EDIT: BTW, did anyone else notice it was the Trovita Gym that the PIA shut down in that episode? Maybe the PIA were just closing down the Orange League?

weedle_mchairybug September 6th, 2008 5:22 AM

well, I haven't seen Agent Thedora (as a matter of fact, this is the first time I've heard of it.), so that might blow past me.

Though, yeah, I see what you mean by it. I mean, Misty didn't really have the same staleness problem since she at least didn't have a set goal, which, in theory, would make her more interesting since she can do literally anything she puts her mind to do it at, whileas if they had a set goal, they would only get more boring over time (Hence, why Ash, Team Rocket, and Brock are currently getting threads requesting that they get ousted [then again, Brock isn't technically following up on his goal due to the fact that he never got any of his pokemon to mate and produce an egg even ONCE.)

Also, I think that they were meaning another town with the name Trovita that had a gym in it. I mean, i think it was clearly established that they were tagging gyms in KANTO (hence why Misty was trying to get back to her gym ASAP, as well as why Cerulean Blue even took place.), and the last time I checked, the Orange Islands aren't a part of kanto, no more than Johto is a part of the Kanto Region.

Speaking of the PIA, I'm a bit surprised that they kept Pewter Gym as a Gym considering how it's reputation is currently as bad as Cerulean Gym's reputation. I mean, it was stated that the final Gym to have a PIA inspection test in Kanto was Cerulean Gym, so they were bound to have inspected Pewter Gym sometime beforehand. I mean, Flint surrendered the gym to Lola, and Lola gave it a "makeover" that would have constituted as Vandalism (which constitutes under the three "U's" In indecent gym running.), and that it was unsafe for most of the rock pokemon (most of the arena had water in it), and, heck they even allowed a second Vandalism attempt in "Grating Spaces". I mean, that in itself WOULD have warranted the PIA to shut down the gym. Heck, Forrest didn't even attempt to stop his mom from allowing it (I mean, since he is the gym leader of the gym, her son or not, he should have a say in what the gym should be or should not be, and would even possibly kick her out if it means keeping the gym at it's upmost standards.)

Also, I'm sorry if I'm going to sound like a little kid, But I worked hard on trying to edit and upload Part one of the Misty video (In fact, it was the hardest video I ever worked on/uploaded onto youtube.): getting Pinnacle studios, getting a new computer to install it properly, switching editing softwares, replacing softwares, trying my hardest to put in the blur effects on a certain part of Kanako Urashima just to make it tasteful for the audience at large, cutting out SEVERAL scenes because I wasn't able to edit them, and I worked on a deadline, trying so hard to upload onto Youtube but failed either due to repeats, the server giving way, or just flat out not giving good results (I.E., that visual problem.), contacting Pinnacle Studios for the fourth time to ask how to upload, asked them whether Version 12 allows multiple blurs in one scene or not, searching for other video editing softwares just to find one that can have the multiple blurs option, downloading the upgrade, going through tutorial, tried rearranging the settings after a few bad tries where it couldn't download the product (even cutting out a part of the ending), and then finally completing the downloads, Just so I could supply you guys with a complete video for our cause.

When someone doesn't comment on something I contributed to the thread, it really hurts me and makes me feel unappreciated, as if all that hard work was a waste. I mean, how would you guys feel if you guys worked so hard on something just for some people, and yet your work get's ignored by these very same people.

So Please, please, PLEASE try and give any reviews for part one of the Misty video.

for a bit of a brain refresher, here's a video of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0OowSxgEcE&feature=related

Please comment on it this time.

thanks.

Also, one last note, I really do need to know exactly when will the summary/title for DP094 be released? I mean, for 3 or four saturdays in a row, we haven't gotten any summary updates since the Fantina episode.

that's all for now.

EDIT: you might need to click the link to see the video, since the youtube coding isn't working.

sirboulevard September 6th, 2008 12:50 PM

Uh, Agent Thedora is the PIA inspector who was shutting the Gyms down and the one Misty thought was coming to Cerulean City instead of Agent Joy. He's the PIA inspector on the right in the picture. And the gym wasnt called by name, but The image of the close gym on the TV screen at the begining of the episode was Trovita (probably a subtle reference to Rudy who hit on Misty when they visited that gym), as for Lola's doing, it was stated that she had converted the gym from a rock gym to a water gym with PIA approval because when Brock came home she was the Gym Leader. if she returned when the PIA were there they probably let her contest his status as Gym Leader, like the Invincible Pokemon Brothers did to Misty. And Region doesnt matter because Agent Joy left to Inspect the Hoenn Gyms after Cerulean Blues (she mentions it in dialog to misty who asks her if she sees ash to tell her she's doing ok).

Ok, off the PIA tangent the group is on.
How should Misty return? As a regular on the old series or should she get her own?
Personally, I thought the Misty Chronicle Episodes were better than her as regular. She has earned her own show and she technically could have so many more recurring characters (we've already met a number of Cerulean City residents like The Sensational Sisters Fan Club, Georgio, etc.) since she stays in one spot. Not to mention: GYM BATTLES!

weedle_mchairybug September 7th, 2008 5:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3915899)
Ok, off the PIA tangent the group is on.
How should Misty return? As a regular on the old series or should she get her own?
Personally, I thought the Misty Chronicle Episodes were better than her as regular. She has earned her own show and she technically could have so many more recurring characters (we've already met a number of Cerulean City residents like The Sensational Sisters Fan Club, Georgio, etc.) since she stays in one spot. Not to mention: GYM BATTLES!

Umm... I might take your word for it. However, I personally prefer a return as a regular on the "Old" series. I mean, from what I've observed in regards to gym leaders, their overall strength is comparable to that of JJM. I really don't want to see Misty as a failure, and since JJM are labeled as complete losers (especially in regards to their strength level.), by having her as a gym leader, from my estimates, she'll end up being 1% of her former strength. I mean, have any of you noticed how most of the gym leaders seemed to be beaten rather too easily by Ash (I think the only time he actually LOST to a gym leader prior between Kanto and Sinnoh was against Brawly and possibly Claire, though don't take my word for it.), and also, the mere fact that they lose to rookies by the day seems to imply that they aren't really strong. I mean, when JJM, say lost to Ash's Caterpie, or to Dawn's Piplup, despite the fact that they have far MORE experience than either of them, they were labeled as Pathetic by the entire fandom (No offense, JJM fans, just stating a point.), so how is Gym Leaders losing to rookies any different?

Besides, It would not only be in the best interests of her, but also to countless people all over the world (If you want to know exactly what I mean, please watch part one of the video. I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a broken record, but I really want to hear how you guys felt about the video, since I worked so hard on it for ALL of my friends, both real life and on the net, and I would feel like I wasted all of my time trying to make the video if people didn't comment on it. And plus, I don't want to end up having to repeat the entire rant anyways.).

Anyways, who says that what she did on the show wasn't interesting, or rather, important. I mean, it was thanks to her that many problems were solved.

BTW, whoever posts next really needs to comment on the video, since I don't want to ask anymore of it, but I also would feel unappreciated and as if my hard work on it was a waste. In fact, at least 6 comments should suffice. After that, I won't have to ask anymore.

Anyways, that's all for now.

Nintendo.Hime September 7th, 2008 7:07 AM

Hi all, I'm just saying hi because I haven't posted in this thread yet. You can call me Kez if you'd like. I'm a big fan of Misty from when I was younger and I want to get back in touch with that. i even cosplayed as her not too long ago, and if you want to talk or maybe see the pictures you can IM me on my AIM name. XD i hope to have fun here and I'll be catching up on the reading now!

Witch September 7th, 2008 9:14 AM

Welcome N.H! ^^
How should Misty return? As a regular on the old series or should she get her own?
-That would be cool if she could get her own series but just to even have her own Arc would be something special/cool. Misty should return! I mean, May is/will be returning in DP so why not misty as well?

sirboulevard September 7th, 2008 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3918663)
Umm... I might take your word for it. However, I personally prefer a return as a regular on the "Old" series. I mean, from what I've observed in regards to gym leaders, their overall strength is comparable to that of JJM. I really don't want to see Misty as a failure, and since JJM are labeled as complete losers (especially in regards to their strength level.), by having her as a gym leader, from my estimates, she'll end up being 1% of her former strength. I mean, have any of you noticed how most of the gym leaders seemed to be beaten rather too easily by Ash (I think the only time he actually LOST to a gym leader prior between Kanto and Sinnoh was against Brawly and possibly Claire, though don't take my word for it.), and also, the mere fact that they lose to rookies by the day seems to imply that they aren't really strong. I mean, when JJM, say lost to Ash's Caterpie, or to Dawn's Piplup, despite the fact that they have far MORE experience than either of them, they were labeled as Pathetic by the entire fandom (No offense, JJM fans, just stating a point.), so how is Gym Leaders losing to rookies any different?

Ok, hate to poke holes in your theory, but Gym Leaders have been shown as quite powerful (particularly in Kanto which seems to be the "Flagship Region" of the pokemon League). Yes, Gym Leaders lose to amateurs on occassion, but remember when Ash was a novice he won more than half his badges through honorable deeds after losing the battle. Afterwards he qualifies as a League Trainer, so he's not an amateur anymore and therefore more of a challenge. Also, how long has he been a trainer? If was losing to the gym leaders in sinnoh after all he's been through, he would not be a good trainer. Keep in mind that if you're going to judge Gym Leaders on Ash's performance, Pikachu has to have reached Lv. 100 by now. As for the leagues, only about 64 trainers apply for them each year and Kanto has 11 Gyms according to Gary (see Battle of the Badge) so odds are that most gyms only give out maybe 50 badges a year? Not to mention considering Leaders are required to accept all challengs they get at least 300 challenges a year and factoring good deeds in they lose maybe 30 - 40 battles. I'm not sure but a 10% loss rate seems very good considering League Trainers have an average 50% loss rate (Jimmy has this loss rate and competed in the Johto League, Legend of Thunder, Pokemon Master Quest episodes w/ Vincent Jackson). So I think Misty as a Kanto Gym Leader is very good place for her. Not to mention the League will provide her with newly discovered Pokemon in other Regions without her needing to travel (Luvdisc is a Many Spledored Thing). Plus they probably go easy on Novices since it's their job.

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Welcome N.H! ^^
How should Misty return? As a regular on the old series or should she get her own?
-That would be cool if she could get her own series but just to even have her own Arc would be something special/cool. Misty should return! I mean, May is/will be returning in DP so why not misty as well?

Well, there are rumors of her returning in DP 94, but it isn't confirmed. But since we havent had any new updates on pokemon episodes in nearly a month, I betting something big is going to happen in that episode. Misty might be back for her own story arc again.

And welcome aboard NH!

Crystal Clair September 7th, 2008 10:09 AM

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Misty might be back for her own story arc again.
Well it's kinda scary because it was just announced that DP94-95 will be a special

Maybe this is true. I would like Misty to return for an episode after a dream I had about her returning.

weedle_mchairybug September 7th, 2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3919663)
Ok, hate to poke holes in your theory, but Gym Leaders have been shown as quite powerful (particularly in Kanto which seems to be the "Flagship Region" of the pokemon League). Yes, Gym Leaders lose to amateurs on occassion, but remember when Ash was a novice he won more than half his badges through honorable deeds after losing the battle. Afterwards he qualifies as a League Trainer, so he's not an amateur anymore and therefore more of a challenge. Also, how long has he been a trainer? If was losing to the gym leaders in sinnoh after all he's been through, he would not be a good trainer. Keep in mind that if you're going to judge Gym Leaders on Ash's performance, Pikachu has to have reached Lv. 100 by now. As for the leagues, only about 64 trainers apply for them each year and Kanto has 11 Gyms according to Gary (see Battle of the Badge) so odds are that most gyms only give out maybe 50 badges a year? Not to mention considering Leaders are required to accept all challengs they get at least 300 challenges a year and factoring good deeds in they lose maybe 30 - 40 battles. I'm not sure but a 10% loss rate seems very good considering League Trainers have an average 50% loss rate (Jimmy has this loss rate and competed in the Johto League, Legend of Thunder, Pokemon Master Quest episodes w/ Vincent Jackson). So I think Misty as a Kanto Gym Leader is very good place for her. Not to mention the League will provide her with newly discovered Pokemon in other Regions without her needing to travel (Luvdisc is a Many Spledored Thing). Plus they probably go easy on Novices since it's their job.

ehhh... yeah..., I don't think Lt. Surge was "going easy" on his challengers, especially considering how so many of the challenger's pokemon (even Pikachu) were sent to the ER in that episode. Plus, Sabrina wasn't really going easy on Ash, either.

And... Ash lost against Roark and Gardenia (and had to rematch them, though Gardenia's debatable, since Ash didn't know that Gardenia was a gym leader during the first loss.), Tied with Maylene (which Paul mocked Ash and Maylene openly for that [and in the case of the latter, her losing so easily.].), and it's hinted that he may lose against Fantina (unless they pull a whitney on us and have him win and get the badge from her.), and this was AFTER he won the Battle frontier, run by people rumored to be far stronger than EVEN the Elite 4. I can understand his other pokemon's losses, but Pikachu's losses don't make any sense. So...

Anyways, I wasn't JUST basing it off of Ash's strength level, I was basing it off of the newly-starting trainers.

Also, about being purported to being very strong, I can't be too certain of that. I mean, JJM were labeled as very dangerous criminals near the beginning of the series (as shown by their wanted bulletin in Pokemon Emergency), and, according to JJM [and in the case of Battle aboard the St. Anne, even Giovanni], they were one of the more elite members of Team Rocket, and yet, they lose all the time to even pokemon starting out in life (like Caterpie beating JJM, and, in the case of Two Degrees of Separation, being beaten by a barely experienced Piplup [yes, I know Pikachu helped, but still.].), and because of that most of the fanbase labeled them as pathetic (I'm only going by what people say though.), I mean, if they were labeled as such by the fanbase... I'm sorry, but I still don't see how it will be any different for GLs.

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Well, there are rumors of her returning in DP 94, but it isn't confirmed. But since we havent had any new updates on pokemon episodes in nearly a month, I betting something big is going to happen in that episode. Misty might be back for her own story arc again.
Yes, I know. At first, I was a bit annoyed at the fact that they were delaying episode summaries this much, but I then realized that it could be a back-to-back special, which could mean something big. Though, I don't really think it would be something like the Togetic Arc, since that same arc didn't air as a back-to-back special from what I've read, and the return to pallet town thing definitely wasn't back to back, which, if the Misty thing is true, means she's officially returning to the Main Cast. Yes, I know the fansite has a high chance of being wrong, but after how the Austrailian Magazine "K-Zone" leaked several episodes summaries (most of which turned out to be true, moreorless), I'm not willing to take any chances.

Besides, how is the spanish fansite any different from "Pokeani"? I mean, Pokeani is a fansite as well, and yet when an episode title is published on there, people will state that it's true just because it was japanese, regardless if it's a fansite or not. I mean, I'm willing to bet that if Pokeani posted the information on there, people will be blindly stating it's true even if it may not be.

Also, Welcome Nintendo.Hime! Hope you enjoy it here.

Anyways, that's all for now.

sirboulevard September 7th, 2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3919964)
ehhh... yeah..., I don't think Lt. Surge was "going easy" on his challengers, especially considering how so many of the challenger's pokemon (even Pikachu) were sent to the ER in that episode. Plus, Sabrina wasn't really going easy on Ash, either.

And... Ash lost against Roark and Gardenia (and had to rematch them, though Gardenia's debatable, since Ash didn't know that Gardenia was a gym leader during the first loss.), Tied with Maylene (which Paul mocked Ash and Maylene openly for that [and in the case of the latter, her losing so easily.].), and it's hinted that he may lose against Fantina (unless they pull a whitney on us and have him win and get the badge from her.), and this was AFTER he won the Battle frontier, run by people rumored to be far stronger than EVEN the Elite 4. I can understand his other pokemon's losses, but Pikachu's losses don't make any sense. So...

Anyways, I wasn't JUST basing it off of Ash's strength level, I was basing it off of the newly-starting trainers.

Also, about being purported to being very strong, I can't be too certain of that. I mean, JJM were labeled as very dangerous criminals near the beginning of the series (as shown by their wanted bulletin in Pokemon Emergency), and, according to JJM [and in the case of Battle aboard the St. Anne, even Giovanni], they were one of the more elite members of Team Rocket, and yet, they lose all the time to even pokemon starting out in life (like Caterpie beating JJM, and, in the case of Two Degrees of Separation, being beaten by a barely experienced Piplup [yes, I know Pikachu helped, but still.].), and because of that most of the fanbase labeled them as pathetic (I'm only going by what people say though.), I mean, if they were labeled as such by the fanbase... I'm sorry, but I still don't see how it will be any different for GLs.

Ok, you can't judge Gym Leaders against TR or E4. Team Rocket is pathetic, yes. But if Ash and Pikachu hadn't been there about 3/4 of their heists would have worked. So, they probably were Elite Agents at some point. Their obsession with Pikachu is what has made them weak. (As for the caterpie thing, I think that was them being over confident, seriously who's scared of a Caterpie. Then they got tied up) Now look at the Gym Leaders Strategies. They're pretty straight forward. Use basic attacks and a few unique advanced signature attacks. They're supposed to test the trainers not defeat them. If they win the battle they qualify as good trainer in the leaders eyes. The Gym Leader isn't actively searching for a win, but they aren't going to just hand out badges either. It's the same reason why Max lost his battle at Roxanne's school. You have to think outside the box to win against good trainers, not just follow the rulebook. As for Surge, his battle technique was strike with out mercy, but he did teach a lesson in carefully examining a pokemon's abilities before evolving them. Sabrina is a special case. She had severe psychological trauma when we first met her. Her battling skills were unbeatable due to the psychic link with her pokemon (instant information from both her and kadabra and both probably thought their commands to each other). The Sinnoh Leaders? Well, I admit Ash has lost a few times, but it is canon that Roark, Gardenia, and Maylene are relatively new to being Gym Leaders (Roark and Gardenia aren't new trainers however and have been training most of their lives, so they have to be stronger than Ash) so they may be the example of a gym leaders true strength.

weedle_mchairybug September 7th, 2008 12:28 PM

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Ok, you can't judge Gym Leaders against TR or E4. Team Rocket is pathetic, yes. But if Ash and Pikachu hadn't been there about 3/4 of their heists would have worked. So, they probably were Elite Agents at some point. Their obsession with Pikachu is what has made them weak. (As for the caterpie thing, I think that was them being over confident, seriously who's scared of a Caterpie. Then they got tied up)

Yeah, true, I guess that works.

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Now look at the Gym Leaders Strategies. They're pretty straight forward. Use basic attacks and a few unique advanced signature attacks. They're supposed to test the trainers not defeat them. If they win the battle they qualify as good trainer in the leaders eyes. The Gym Leader isn't actively searching for a win, but they aren't going to just hand out badges either. It's the same reason why Max lost his battle at Roxanne's school. You have to think outside the box to win against good trainers, not just follow the rulebook.
Err... Couldn't they at LEAST do it at (or near) their full potential? I mean, it wouldn't really be a good fight if they just lowered their full potential. I mean, in the Majin Buu Saga, for example, Vegeta (after being sent by King Yenma to deal with Buu), when he encountered Goku, he was upset that Goku held back his full power (his Majin-self and Goku fought each other and seemed to be at equal level, and he wasn't even using his SSJ3 form.), because he felt he was cheated out of a good match. And anyways, at the public school system (even in things such as PE), the teachers don't lower their potential and skill at a subject just to give the kids a chance at acing the class, so this explaination doesn't really make any sense to me.

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As for Surge, his battle technique was strike with out mercy, but he did teach a lesson in carefully examining a pokemon's abilities before evolving them. Sabrina is a special case. She had severe psychological trauma when we first met her. Her battling skills were unbeatable due to the psychic link with her pokemon (instant information from both her and kadabra and both probably thought their commands to each other). The Sinnoh Leaders? Well, I admit Ash has lost a few times, but it is canon that Roark, Gardenia, and Maylene are relatively new to being Gym Leaders (Roark and Gardenia aren't new trainers however and have been training most of their lives, so they have to be stronger than Ash) so they may be the example of a gym leaders true strength.
For Surge, I think it was more Ash and co. who taught Surge that tidbit. (and technically, it was Brock and Pikachu who taught Ash that, not Surge.)

That was my point with Sabrina.

And also, even IF they did train for most of their lives, I don't think that Roark would have beaten Pikachu that easily (I mean, it fought and defeated a Regice owned by one of the most powerful trainers, So I don't really see how it can lose to roark that easily.). I don't think that Pikachu was even used against Gardenia in neither the Eterna Forest encounter nor the "rematch" at the Gym.

After this, I think we should end the debate here, since I don't wish to argue.

sirboulevard September 7th, 2008 6:25 PM

Agreed. No more debate.

BTW, does anyone have a link to that site with the DP 94 rumors?

weedle_mchairybug September 8th, 2008 1:57 AM

Sure I'll get the link for it.

http://www.pokemon-age.net/iron/index.php

This is the site responsible for the rumors.

And anyways, here are the following things listed for the special back-to-back airing on the 25th:

Misty's return, Aaron, and Celestic Contest (there may be more, but that's all I could find at the moment.)

It definitely isn't Celestic town, since we aren't due to go to Celestic town for another five episodes (according to TV.com), for Aaron, while it is likely that he would be appearing, I don't think it's dedicated to him (I don't think Lucian got a back-to-back, and Cynthia's appearance DEFINITELY didn't have a Back-to back with it either.). The only explaination for it is Misty's return. (Then again, they could do something similar to how they gave starly and bonsly evolution episodes a back to back episode, but...)

sirboulevard September 8th, 2008 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 3922258)
Misty's return, Aaron, and Celestic Contest (there may be more, but that's all I could find at the moment.)

It definitely isn't Celestic town, since we aren't due to go to Celestic town for another five episodes (according to TV.com), for Aaron, while it is likely that he would be appearing, I don't think it's dedicated to him (I don't think Lucian got a back-to-back, and Cynthia's appearance DEFINITELY didn't have a Back-to back with it either.). The only explaination for it is Misty's return. (Then again, they could do something similar to how they gave starly and bonsly evolution episodes a back to back episode, but...)

It could be a Misty & Aaron episode. That would be funny. Aaron:" What Gym do you lead?" Misty: "Cerulean City." Aaron: "Ah! Water-types!" Misty:"I'm not familiar with the Sinnoh Elite 4, what type do you specialize in?" Aaron:" Bugs." Misty: *Terrified look* "B-b-b-bugs?" Aaron:"Aren't they wonderful?" Misty:" I HATE BUGS!!!!"

weedle_mchairybug September 8th, 2008 1:05 PM

Grrgh... Well, looks like Misty's chances of appearing might be dangling from the cliff over lava (with one thread remaining on a broken rope):

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DP 094 "Pachirisu's Fever! Care-taking by Two People!?"
Takeshi goes off to a drugstore in order to pick up a special pokemon medicine. While he's away, Satoshi and Hikari are left to take care of things, including giving the pokemon a shower and making hand-made pancakes for everyone. However, problems arise when Pachirisu develops a high fever...!

DP 095 "The Pokemon Contest! The Kan'nagi Convention!!"

DP 096 "The Ginga-Dan's Charge!! (Part One)"
The Ginga-Dan are desperately trying to get their hands on the legendary treasure, the Adamant Orb. Meanwhile, Satoshi and his friends head to the history museum in order to meet up with the Champion, Shirona. When they arrive, they meet the curator who shows them another treasure, the Lustrous Orb...

DP 097 "The Ginga-Dan's Charge!! (Part Two)"
Aside from the fact that Misty isn't even in these (yet anyways, the summaries for the Hippowdon episode didn't mention Butch and Cassidy appearing [aside from VAs, which were posted much later, and besides which, could just as easily have meant characters of the day with the same VAs], and then we learned that they did indeed appear. It can still be the same for Misty [heck, it could be at the end of the episode, similar to how Brock reappeared out of the blue in the second episode of Battle frontier (as in, when they are in Pallet town I mean.), or to a lesser extent, how Misty reappeared in the first episode of BF.), the DP094 seems a bit pointless to be part of a back-to-back episode. I mean, at least Bonsly's and Starly's evolve episodes had a bit of a reason, since they were the first episodes where one of the main cast's pokemon evolves, but unless Misty Reappears in the end of DP094, there won't be a point in doing this.

If they end up airing it and Misty returns, we'll call off the boycott, but if they don't have her appear, we WILL continue with the boycott. EVERYONE, Please announce to all Misty fans this, if they want Misty to return, and if they want to stop sexism, they MUST boycott pokemon, show the writer's finances no mercy.

sirboulevard September 8th, 2008 5:00 PM

AAGGH! They knew we were expecting her and they dont release any information for almost a month about DP 94 and they expect us to handle this? GAAA!!! Writers! She'd better be there. Oh well... at least Shirona will make another appearance.

EDIT: BTW, its the tenth aniversary of the Dub! Happy Aniversary!

nickstr September 8th, 2008 10:26 PM

That could be a reason why information was not released until late but this is not a good sign at all. As I recall it was confirmed that May was going to be in the series long before her appearance so this really does not look good at all. Another thing which proves why I don't watch the series anymore, it has been nothing but let downs and false hope for five years now.

Kasumi September 9th, 2008 10:40 AM

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Hi all, I'm just saying hi because I haven't posted in this thread yet. You can call me Kez if you'd like. I'm a big fan of Misty from when I was younger and I want to get back in touch with that. i even cosplayed as her not too long ago, and if you want to talk or maybe see the pictures you can IM me on my AIM name. XD i hope to have fun here and I'll be catching up on the reading now!
Hi and pleace post here youre photos from that cosplay.

sirboulevard September 9th, 2008 7:38 PM

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That could be a reason why information was not released until late but this is not a good sign at all. As I recall it was confirmed that May was going to be in the series long before her appearance so this really does not look good at all. Another thing which proves why I don't watch the series anymore, it has been nothing but let downs and false hope for five years now.

I know... I'm begining to suffer Misty withdrawls. I had a dream nightmare about her last night getting shocked by Pikachu with Ash saying "I dont need you anymore!"

Crystal Clair September 9th, 2008 8:32 PM

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Another thing which proves why I don't watch the series anymore, it has been nothing but let downs and false hope for five years now.
Well that's because you watch Pokemon for Misty only and those let downs and false hopes have to do with Misty being gone.

I even wonder at this point if Misty will appear during the Shinou series. I know it's a spooky thought but it may happen unless the writers do something with Togetic and that new evo.

weedle_mchairybug September 10th, 2008 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Clair (Post 3927029)
Well that's because you watch Pokemon for Misty only and those let downs and false hopes have to do with Misty being gone.

Yeah, I know. And anyways, in regards to what Nickstr said, it's also the reason why I came up with the Boycott. I mean, I noticed how several companys, no matter their size, numbers, or manufacturing style, all have the exact same fear. that fear, is losing sales and revinue. I also anticipated that the writers might not listen to us, so I came up with the plan of a boycott as a Failsafe. I mean, whenever there is a strike at a store, the staff get's fearful of what will happen to their sales (since several customers will support the strikers by boycotting the people working at the store.).

And, to use a historical example, when the American Colonies started boycotting British Goods (when they were taxing them without their consent), the British Parliament (as well as their King) grew fearful about what will happen to their own country's revinues, even though they have countless other colonies that, should they rebel, would be even more disasterous than if we did (the East India Company and... well... India comes to mind), they imposed stricter policies to enforce their will and in an attempt to avoid conflict, which eventually boiled over when King George III decided to attack us for treason when we only tried to be diplomatic towards them, eventually leading towards the American Revolution. All this started from a boycott.

While I'm NOT saying that we should declare war on Japan. (and unlike Britian at that time, Japan's Government isn't dominated by corporate franchises.), We DO need to show them that, by messing with the wrong group, that there are DIRE consequences. And, since like I said before, Japan's Government isn't dominated by corporate franchises, we need FAR more people willing to go through with our cause than 10,000 (since that's roughly the population of Colonial America), or 50,000+ even, since that's the estimated total of the Petitions to bring Misty back right now.

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I even wonder at this point if Misty will appear during the Shinou series. I know it's a spooky thought but it may happen unless the writers do something with Togetic and that new evo.
Err... could you reword it? I mean, no offense, but the way it's currently worded just doesn't make any sense (I mean, the way you worded it made it seem as though she would appear unless it's a togetic thing, which in itself counts as an appearance.)

Speaking of which, considering how Togekiss already debuted in Pokemon (it was seen however briefly in the Shaymin Movie), it's a fairly low chance that Misty's appearance will have ANYTHING to do with Togetic or its evolution. Then again, Dawn failed to capture Buneary twice before successfully capturing her own Buneary, so who knows?

BTW, I really hate to ask again, but did anyone see Part one of the Bring Misty Back video i made yet? I'm asking since I didn't get ANY reviews since I first posted the video, and I feel as though my hard work had been a waste (since I mainly did this for ALL my friends, both in real life AND for you guys) if it wasn't commented on. Heck, I'll even handle BAD reviews on here, just as long as I at least GET a review.

Anyways, that's all for now (And PLEASE Try and comment on Part one. I worked terribly hard on editing and uploading it, and I don't want to think it was all for naught. I mean, I'd prefer it if everyone commented on it, but a few would be fine, just as long as it at least gets a comment.)

EDIT: OK, more like 30,000 counting mine of 900-1000 from the known online petitions. Still, it's probably over 50,000 for areas without online petitions.

Crystal Clair September 10th, 2008 8:50 PM

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Err... could you reword it? I mean, no offense, but the way it's currently worded just doesn't make any sense (I mean, the way you worded it made it seem as though she would appear unless it's a togetic thing, which in itself counts as an appearance.)
Misty may not appear in Shinou. But if she does appear, it may have to do with the new Togetic evolution and her Togetic.


Weedle, there are only so many Misty fans and for ever Misty fan, there are about two Ash fans and twenty Pokemon fans who don't care a bit about Misty. With your boycott thing going on, you don't realize that Misty is very popular. Compare Misty to Miley Cyrus or whoever is popular these days. Do you see Misty fans walking around in yellow belly shirts and blue shorts? And do you think Misty's outfit is appropriate for younger girls? Short-shorts? Belly shirt? I like Misty but if someone in real life tried to pull that off as casual clothes, they'd end up looking like
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white trailor trash.

weedle_mchairybug September 11th, 2008 3:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Clair (Post 3929473)
Weedle, there are only so many Misty fans and for ever Misty fan, there are about two Ash fans and twenty Pokemon fans who don't care a bit about Misty. With your boycott thing going on, you don't realize that Misty is very popular. Compare Misty to Miley Cyrus or whoever is popular these days. Do you see Misty fans walking around in yellow belly shirts and blue shorts? And do you think Misty's outfit is appropriate for younger girls? Short-shorts? Belly shirt? I like Misty but if someone in real life tried to pull that off as casual clothes, they'd end up looking like
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white trailor trash.

Wait... WHAT?! Are you accusing me of saying we should follow Misty ad verbatem, and emulate her 100%? If you were, I'm just going to respond that that's not what I believe should happen at all. I only want people to emulate her personality and mostly her overall behavior (and if you saw the entire video, you'll know EXACTLY what I meant by that). I didn't say, nor imply to my knowledge, that they should wear the exact same clothes as her, dye their natural hair color in the exact same shade as her hair color, get greenish-blue eye contacts, or anything! I mean, I will agree with you that that's going a bit too far. I mean, I won't necessarily hate people in real life if they did that, but that doesn't mean that I would endorse it.

Besides, trying to follow a person or thing in 100% detail will only lead to disaster. Take the Puritans, for example: They attempted to follow the bible ad verbatem in 100% detail, and yet it only ended in disaster for them. since they tried to follow the bible word for word, they ended up in effect self destructing almost a few decades later due to witch trials and other aspects (like hypocracy).

Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't read the bible. In fact, I think I should try to read it when I have some free time, but that doesn't mean we should take it word-for-word.

Anyways, that's all for now.

Crystal Clair September 11th, 2008 12:46 PM

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I only want people to emulate her personality
So you want a bunch of people blowing up over little things and being moody? I don't get you, Weedle.

sirboulevard September 11th, 2008 9:01 PM

I agree with Clair! That's a bad thing. I wouldnt want my female friends hitting me with large hammers, screaming at bugs or pulling me away by the ear every time I ask a girl out. Misty's personality should stay limited to HER!

I was just watching SPURT! on youtube, that has the biggest Pokeshipping hint since she left the show. The part with all the recurring characters on cards and they put Delia and Misty on the Queen of Hearts. Uhh, pretty sure since it's sung by Ash that's a representation of the two women he loves: his mother and Misty.

weedle_mchairybug September 12th, 2008 2:35 AM

No, NO, NO!! That's not what I meant!

Ok! I Meant that they should be intelligent, speak up for themselves, and not be afraid to defend themselves (or their friends, should their friends be in danger). The slapstick part of her personality was more for the entertainment of the audience and not ment to be taken literally.

Now, do you understand what I mean this time?

I hope so, because I don't want to have to explain again what I mean in a different way if you take it the wrong way.

sirboulevard September 12th, 2008 7:36 PM

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No, NO, NO!! That's not what I meant!

Ok! I Meant that they should be intelligent, speak up for themselves, and not be afraid to defend themselves (or their friends, should their friends be in danger). The slapstick part of her personality was more for the entertainment of the audience and not ment to be taken literally.

Now, do you understand what I mean this time?

I hope so, because I don't want to have to explain again what I mean in a different way if you take it the wrong way.
Ok, I was joking about the slapstick part, but you are asking people to become what they are not. I'm sure Misty would find it weird that someone is trying to convert people into clones of her. She'd probably say to just be yourself. I like Misty, but if people started acting like her, it would take away from what she is. Imitation may be the most sincer flattery, but having people behave like her is making her less unique. What you're describing, yes, I believe people should have those elements in their lives, but they need to do it THEIR way, not Misty's.

weedle_mchairybug September 13th, 2008 6:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3934358)
Ok, I was joking about the slapstick part, but you are asking people to become what they are not. I'm sure Misty would find it weird that someone is trying to convert people into clones of her. She'd probably say to just be yourself. I like Misty, but if people started acting like her, it would take away from what she is. Imitation may be the most sincer flattery, but having people behave like her is making her less unique. What you're describing, yes, I believe people should have those elements in their lives, but they need to do it THEIR way, not Misty's.

Yeah, sorry, maybe I did give Misty too much of a role model for girls. Yeah, I know Misty would say something like that. But, well, considering how I saw how the girls acted in princess vs. princess (you know, how almost all of them in the store, aside from Misty and Jessie, of course, squealed like animals.), how... Well... "LH" depicted girls in a very bad manner (If you are a fan of that series, I'm sorry I mentioned it, but still...), and, according to someone named Redtye/Don on Youtube (the last part's his Bulbagarden Identity), Death Note, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and... well... "R1/2". I don't even know if there IS an alternative other than Misty and a select few. and Besides which, little kids, and even adolescent teens try and mimic whatever they see (the little kids is obvious, the teens part has more or less to do with the theory of Anorexia/Bulimia being caused by Modeling magazines, and how teens seem to mimic things like gang shootouts/chases [like what happened at Columbine], so it seems as though the only way to maintain good behavior and have people survive IS through Misty (and a select few other anime females.). do you see what I'm getting at.


Also, you were kidding about the Slapstick Part? Sorry for the Misunderstanding, it's hard for me to tell whether something's a joke or not.

BTW, speaking of Misty's determination, I wanted to note that Misty actually offered [or rather demanded] to try and help Pikachu in "Here comes the Squirtle Squad" (though it was only in the Japanese version, in the same scene where the Squirtle Squad, or rather, Meowth, threatens to execute Misty if Ash doesn't return by the afternoon. it's a shame that 4kids decided to change the reaction to almost a string of insults just because of dying her hair purple.)

nickstr September 17th, 2008 3:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3931880)
I agree with Clair! That's a bad thing. I wouldnt want my female friends hitting me with large hammers, screaming at bugs or pulling me away by the ear every time I ask a girl out. Misty's personality should stay limited to HER!

I was just watching SPURT! on youtube, that has the biggest Pokeshipping hint since she left the show. The part with all the recurring characters on cards and they put Delia and Misty on the Queen of Hearts. Uhh, pretty sure since it's sung by Ash that's a representation of the two women he loves: his mother and Misty.

I would not want that either but I did end up quoting Misty in real life when people kept thinking that a girl I hung around with was my girlfriend so I ended up saying "shes a girl and shes a friend but shes NOT my girlfriend" to deny that rumor. But even then I have ran across people who scream at bugs before but not pull me away when I try to ask a girl out. That whole thing with Misty on the queen of hearts in the card intro was really cool and I still think so today.

Graceful September 20th, 2008 4:47 AM

*knocks on door* Hi can I join? I wanna be Starmie!

weedle_mchairybug September 20th, 2008 4:59 PM

Yeah, you can Join.

Welcome, Squirturtle!

(Gives her Starmie)

BTW, I'm having a really rough weekend.

I mean, first we kinda had to delay the AWA convention trip due to a miscommunication between my folks, and then today a friend and I had a "falling out" (I won't get into the specifics, but it basically has to do with bringing back Misty, and all of that stuff.). Finally, there's an "unreasonable to bring back Misty board on there" and people are stating that Misty didn't do much, and wasn't skilled. I tried to defend her (as well as our honor) as best as I could, but, while some people did eventually start seeing my points, others are ridiculing me.

On a positive note, at least I have met someone who's a misty fan (along with her friends) at the AWA convention (she was even wearing a Misty outfit.).

Also, I asked someone at school (who also was at the convention) if they still wanted to bring Misty back and wanted to stop the Female anime stereotype (since one of my relatives believes that maybe they misinterpreted the petition, or they just signed it just to be nice.), and she still supports it.

I didn't do the Petition this time though. One, my folks didn't want to have me do it again, two, I already did one. However. I CAN do it again, if you guys want me to.

Also, anyone seen the first part of the bring Misty back video? I'm sorry that I must ask, but I really need to hear your viewpoints in regards to it, since I at least would be comforted that my efforts weren't a waste. I mean, I must have comments. and can someone PLEASE try and comment this time?

Kasumi September 24th, 2008 11:16 AM

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(she was even wearing a Misty outfit.).
Which? From kanto or advance?

weedle_mchairybug September 24th, 2008 12:11 PM

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Which? From kanto or advance?

To answer your question, Kanto (Or original series) In fact, she even carried around a stuffed togepi.

Also, I met two other Misty fans at the AWA convention on sunday (though only one actually wore the Kanto Misty outfit. the other was more a lucky guess.)

Water Pokémon Specialist September 25th, 2008 10:14 AM

Ok, there are probably none left, but I want Staryu and to join the club! I love that girl!

Graceful September 26th, 2008 7:48 AM

I sorta daydream about Misty coming back with Dawn bursting with anger!
It's kinda fun.Her head sorta popped off to!

weedle_mchairybug September 26th, 2008 7:02 PM

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Ok, there are probably none left, but I want Staryu and to join the club! I love that girl!

Welcome, Water Pokemon Specialist, and I'm pretty sure that there's an unlimited amount of Misty's pokemon to give out to new members.

Anyways, we continue with the boycott. Also, I must ask you guys, have any of you seen Part 1 yet? I mean, I didn't get any reviews since I reposted the link, and especially since I first uploaded it onto here.)

For the video, please watch it here (and Kasu-chan, If this is against the rules, then I'm sorry.):

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After watching it, can you guys PLEASE give your opinions in regards to it?

Also, Misty was pretty brave in the japanese version of "Here comes the Squirtle Squad" in the scene where the Squirtle Squad threatens to kill her. Plus, she was able to cook decently (I mean, SOMEONE had to have made meals in Viridian forest prior to Brock joining, and she did make the Salveyo medicene almost flawlessly, and plus, someone had to have cooked in the Orange Islands, since Brock wasn't with them.

Also, yeah, I do dream on Misty returning, and I will make sure it happens, no matter what.

Anyways, that's all for now.

EDIT, you'll have to click the spoiler tags if you want to see it, as, well, I do want to show it, but I also don't want to get into trouble even if I made sure to make it kid friendly by blurring some material out.

Graceful September 27th, 2008 3:54 AM

your right,
I have a feeling Misty is coming back,
To give a message or by accident.

nickstr September 28th, 2008 8:06 PM

I sure hope that happens or Misty returns at all but if not the desperation will spread and I am already feeling the effects of it.

Graceful September 30th, 2008 8:04 AM

If not Im liking this club to the pokemon company!!

nickstr October 1st, 2008 3:24 AM

I doubt they would pay attention to what fans think and it is my belief that they could not care less. Big mistake if you ask me, shows like that go under all the time while the ones that live on are ones where the people in charge pay attention to what their viewers want rather than forcing things upon them whether they like it or not. One such show is Mythbusters which literally could not continue without suggestions from fans and it is one of the most popular TV shows out there. Sure these are in two different categories all together but there is a lesson about listening to what viewers want.

sirboulevard October 1st, 2008 9:34 AM

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I doubt they would pay attention to what fans think and it is my belief that they could not care less. Big mistake if you ask me, shows like that go under all the time while the ones that live on are ones where the people in charge pay attention to what their viewers want rather than forcing things upon them whether they like it or not. One such show is Mythbusters which literally could not continue without suggestions from fans and it is one of the most popular TV shows out there. Sure these are in two different categories all together but there is a lesson about listening to what viewers want.

Which blows... I think part of the problem is though is, many fans also dont like misty. Several fan postings (and videos) about the pokegirls end up saying Misty is to boring for the show. I also know that in the PokeBeach interview they said aside from the eye-candy thing, they mentioned that Misty doesnt appear to like contests and they didnt want a male coordinator. Personally, Brendan as the coordinator and Misty as the female companion would have been nice. The major problem for us is, that the writing staff is not writing for international viewers. In the long run, they'll do the Japanese viewers bidding, because that's the show's target audience. I would love to see misty return, but we have to wait for our words to not fall on deaf ears.

weedle_mchairybug October 1st, 2008 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 3991513)
Which blows... I think part of the problem is though is, many fans also dont like misty. Several fan postings (and videos) about the pokegirls end up saying Misty is to boring for the show.

Funny thing is, Most people don't like Brock (especially now), and most people ALSO don't like Ash and TR (believe me, there are threads popping up saying how they... err "suck"), yet the writers are keeping them on the show anyways.

BTW, speaking of fan videos, did you watch the first part of my video yet?

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I also know that in the PokeBeach interview they said aside from the eye-candy thing, they mentioned that Misty doesnt appear to like contests and they didnt want a male coordinator.
so they only want females to be coordinators? Well, not only is that sexist and segrigating women (they're saying that only females want to be coordinators is no different than someone saying they should be a cheerleader just because "boys are doctors while girls are cheerleaders"), but it's also contradicting the fact that there are male coordinators (NOT COTDs, btw) on the show [like Drew, Kenny, Nando, and Harley {all right, bad example, but still...!}.], not to mention the fact that they even made ASH, of all characters, a Coordinator in one sense (He competed in two contests in Sinnoh, and three contests overall.)

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The major problem for us is, that the writing staff is not writing for international viewers. In the long run, they'll do the Japanese viewers bidding, because that's the show's target audience. I would love to see misty return, but we have to wait for our words to not fall on deaf ears.
Really? well, for a company not caring for it's international audience, it did far more for the needs (necessary or not) of said international business. I mean, they had Brock removed for alleged fears of Racist controversies, brought him back when we realized that they don't care, they utterly replaced Japanese writing on the original version of the show, they allowed 4kids to add in several scenes of Pokemon 4EVER that weren't in the original, they replaced Jynx's skin color even though they could have just as easily ignored Weatherford just because "she's american and not one of us", they even hired some american actors to voice some characters in some episodes and even a movie (Raymond from Pokemon the first movie comes to mind).

Seriously, I don't buy the whole "only fanbase that deserves our attention is our own" argument since there were far more things they changed just for fans outside of Japan than for the Japanese audience. I'll agree with Nickstr and say they didn't listen to the fanbase, period. I mean, the only time they actually LISTENED to the fanbase was during the Orange Islands, which was to bring Brock back.

However, that will soon change, guys. The boycott is growing steadily stronger (I mean, I filled in on two Misty fans at AWA, and I met two foreign exchange students at a party and asked them to join our cause, and sent a full request by E-mail.)

Vernikova October 1st, 2008 3:23 PM

Hey people, I don't want to join or anything but ask something.

Weedle, how does your future boycott work? How will it work? How do you plan it not to fail like SOVA's plans? If this doesn't work what will you do?

I don't mean to come off rude or anything, but I'm interested in it. That's all.

weedle_mchairybug October 1st, 2008 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Beware of Dark Lugia (Post 3992730)
Hey people, I don't want to join or anything but ask something.

Weedle, how does your future boycott work? How will it work? How do you plan it not to fail like SOVA's plans? If this doesn't work what will you do?

I don't mean to come off rude or anything, but I'm interested in it. That's all.

well, actually, it's more like my present boycott, as It's been in operation since May the 25th.

as for how it will work, it's simple, all we have to do is not buy any Pokemon Products and not watch any televised airings of Pokemon (The standards of our boycott, however, do not apply for stuff you already own, such as games, comics, Episode videos/season dvds, and the like, or to Fansites that don't sell pokemon related merchandise (as we need those things to find out whether Misty will return or not.).)

well, I plan on spreading the word to every Misty fan across the globe (through me or through other people I recruited.), and if necessary, get signatures to bring Misty back as proof of what we're capable of. (I actually got a quarter of my High school to sign my petition, with several others joining in from my videos.).

As for a failsafe, try the petitions again, and try to blackmail the writers of a boycott, with a larger petition as proof. Oh, and also making absolute sure that every Misty fan does fulfill their duty, like PMing me in regards to signatures.


BTW, Dark Lugia, next time you want to ask me something like this, try PMing me or going to my user-talk, instead of, well, you know, walking into a club without any intentions to join. No offense, of course, Just for future reference.

Crystal Clair October 2nd, 2008 6:20 AM

http://i34.*.com/r1naky.jpg
Misty was in the latest opening
Maybe she'll return soon

Kasumi October 2nd, 2008 7:49 AM

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Misty was in the latest opening
Maybe she'll return soon
What?! It's great news! \(^.^)/ But I can't find this op. Where didi you see that Cristal Clair? She looks so cute on this screeenshot. I think this means she will be in next episodes maybe not for long but at least in a few episodes.

Crystal Clair October 2nd, 2008 8:01 AM

The next episode were announced a while ago up to 100 I think. Misty wasn't announced to be in any of them
As for the new opening - ...

sirboulevard October 2nd, 2008 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Clair (Post 3994015)
http://i34.*.com/r1naky.jpg
Misty was in the latest opening
Maybe she'll return soon

I hope so. She probably will. The writers never give cameos to characters in openings if they dont show up shortly before or after. I just wish she had gotten an outfit change. Her AG outfit wasnt really that cool... that one from the Luvdisc Episode was nice...

Crystal Clair October 2nd, 2008 10:05 AM

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I hope so. She probably will. The writers never give cameos to characters in openings if they dont show up shortly before or after. I just wish she had gotten an outfit change. Her AG outfit wasnt really that cool... that one from the Luvdisc Episode was nice...
Actually I heard someone mention that it could be like what they did for Spurt, just some nostalgia thing. But what makes gad-dam mad is that MAY's stupid dull brown hair is blocking Misty's pretty vibrant hair.
Gosh, I'm tired and cranky today -_-

sirboulevard October 2nd, 2008 10:09 AM

Yeah, but Misty showed up for a 3 episode arc during Spurt!. Maybe they'll write her into the show a little more like they did with Gary.

Crystal Clair October 2nd, 2008 10:44 AM

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Yeah, but Misty showed up for a 3 episode arc during Spurt!. Maybe they'll write her into the show a little more like they did with Gary.
No, that was even before Battle Frontier. Pokemon Symphonic Medley was still the opening then.

Actually, both Battle Frontier and Spurt had Misty but she didn't appear during either opening duration.

weedle_mchairybug October 2nd, 2008 12:44 PM

Well... that's a bit of good news.

Anyways, while I do want Misty to appear in the series again (preferably on the Main cast), I'm not sure that would count, as there have been times where they had characters on openings that never appear in the movies/anime at ALL despite appearing in the openings (Rivals and Spurt all say "Hi", as the majority of the rivals never appeared in the anime, and the Pokemon that were released never appeared at all, despite being in the opening.).

However, using the same fact that we can't completely trust openings, while it does seem likely that are having her only making a regional appearance [NOT a cameo, since that's more like 15 seconds, a blink and you'll miss it instant.], they also could be throwing us off by having her among May and Gary, and thus actually plan on bringing Misty back, and when she does return, they'll probably alter the opening to have Misty among Ash, Dawn, and Brock [assuming they don't replace Brock or Dawn, of course].

Besides, maybe the spanish website made a small error in regards to when it is supposed to happen. (I mean, the Aussie magazine said that Aaron was supposed to appear before Solaceon town, when, from what the episode summaries mentioned, it's actually after, and the same aussie magazine also implied that Ash was going to rematch Crasher Wake, when that isn't what happened at all, yet most of us still believed it, anyways. Besides, people react to Pokeani revealing an episode almost without question, when it also posted fake episode titles before [the Wallace vs. Dawn and the attacking Yanmega says "hi".].). I mean, if people were able to believe Pokeani without question despite it also being a fansite, and they believed the Aussie magazines when they also goofed up at times as well, whose to say we can't believe the Spanish Fansite?

@Crystal Clair: Yeah, I agree, May should be somewhat farther away from Misty. Actually, she shouldn't even be in this opening, IMO.

BTW, that reminds me, I removed a piece of trivia (or rather, a significant portion of it) from Pika and Goliath's Article on bulbapedia since the "Possible/plausible" explaination has too many holes in regards to it (it mentions the writers would need to explain a lot about Misty to unfamilar people in their target audience, and that she didn't do much in the LT. Surge episode). I mean, first off, the entire flashback (if not the entire episode) wouldn't even exist since most of these "Unfamiliar people" wouldn't even recall the Lt. Surge battle, and as such, they wouldn't even have Ash in his original series outfit, or even his AG outfit. His Caterpie wouldn't have appeared in a flashback in the 86th DP episode, and the 548th episode overall, and May most certainly wouldn't have appeared in the Wallace Cup (which, ironically, starts after Pika and Goliath). And in regards to her not doing things in that episode, the only important thing Brock did in that episode was give Ash the plan in regards to defeating Surge, and I think he appeared in the flashback as well, despite not doing much either.

BTW, someone really needs to comment on Part one soon.

Anyways, that's all for now.

sirboulevard October 5th, 2008 2:27 AM

Well, I'm not gonna be apart of this debate... I have to focus those tendencies for my journalism and PoliSci courses...

I do have my own Fan art I'd like to post to the club though!
http://www.pokecommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=1765&pictureid=10924

Slimt October 6th, 2008 7:53 AM

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if u were were a true misty fan the icon for poliwrath would be politoad. (u should know it evolves into that not poliwrath) u have disgraced us all and u dont even realize it.

I HATE YOU!! because Poliwag evolves in to Poliwirl and then poliwirl evolves to Poliwrath or Politoad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its about if its holding a special item, just like slowpoke

weedle_mchairybug October 6th, 2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Slimt (Post 4008664)
I HATE YOU!! because Poliwag evolves in to Poliwirl and then poliwirl evolves to Poliwrath or Politoad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its about if its holding a special item, just like slowpoke

kirby00's no longer on here. In fact, he's formed his own Anti-Misty club just to spite us (At least, that's what one of our senior members insinuated.)

Speaking of membership issues, hate to mini-mod, but you really should join the club in order to post anything on here.

Slimt October 6th, 2008 9:45 PM

OK i join, because i dont know why i didnt and i dont have much to say...
oh sry *knock knock* Hi, eeeh, i like togepi... oh and misty ofc

nickstr October 8th, 2008 7:04 PM

Liking Misty is a requirement for joining or if not it should be. I don't think anyone has picked Togepi so far possibly because of the reputation it has which is not all that good from what I understand among those outside of Misty's fan base.

AAML hope it happends October 10th, 2008 6:20 PM

hey im kinda new here but iv ben doin reaserch on rummors on my free time an saw what u guys stand for an i love it i would like to kno if i could join your club

nickstr October 13th, 2008 4:56 PM

I don't see any harm in it at all and I know about the rumors myself since there are many of them going around because of the desperate nature that some of Misty's fans have and I am one of them who has gotten desperate as well.

Graceful October 17th, 2008 6:53 AM

Im going soooooooooo desprete!!!!!!
Oh look at this *looks at webpage*
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Misty may come back!
This random forum says-
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´´ However Misty will return in Diamond and Pearl and she is going to tell Ash her secret that she has feelings for him.´´

We know that Misty is either going to just be visiting or even travel in Shinou, but this was definately some wickedly good news!

Anime/Mangalover247 October 17th, 2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirturtle_ (Post 4041460)
Im going soooooooooo desprete!!!!!!
Oh look at this *looks at webpage*
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Misty may come back!
This random forum says-

Omg!!!!! SWEEET well I guess I will have something to look forward to finally :)

sirboulevard October 17th, 2008 1:39 PM

I hope she comes back. But your source is not nessisarily trustworthy. So I will be skeptical. However no one expected Jun to show up and it was just announced he's joining the series, so anything is possible! (Please jsut become reality!)

nickstr October 18th, 2008 12:12 AM

I agree, not a trustworthy source but that does not mean you should give up hope. And a note for this too, today is the fifth anniversary of Misty's departure from the anime if you go by US releases so she has officially not been a member of the main cast for half a decade as of now. Kind of sad to think about but true unfortunately.

Pachireecko October 18th, 2008 12:17 AM

Misty has to come back! There was just something about her.

Graceful October 18th, 2008 3:25 AM

1.Well her japanese Voice actress says she is coming back.
2. Wiki Ask said so
3.Her profile on bulbapidia says so aswell

weedle_mchairybug October 18th, 2008 11:43 AM

Well, this certainly seems like good news. However, we must still wait until we get further information. I'm not too solid on the idea of Misty being a coordinator (unless it's a special occasion thing. You know, like all three of Ash's entries to "Pokemon Contests" (First one's a last hurrah to May, second one was for Aipom's sake, third one was to train Buizel.).). However, Misty still did at least one Pokemon Contest (The whole "Queen of the Princess Festival" thing, remember?), so it's theoretically possible, but still improbable.

As I and others have said, though, we must wait and see. Wiki Ask may not be a good source for this, but there's still a chance that it can be correct.

Also, if her Azurril's evolved. That's somewhat good.

Also, I only picked Gyarados out of random chance. I liked all of Misty's pokemon, even Togepi.

And anyways, I don't really see why it's labeled by several fans as being the one who ruined Misty's character? I mean, it can't be for the so-called "mellowing-out" of Misty's character, as she has shown motherly behavior even before Togepi came into the frame, and also, they wouldn't even have her being very angry in several episodes if Togepi did actually mellow her out.

Also, Squirturtle, the mention of her returning on her entry on Bulbapedia was added in by me since I figured that it had to be mentioned (it seemed fairly important to be mentioned in at least the trivia segment, plus, if they allowed something Eric Stuart said about Brock's last name being Harrison into the trivia section of his article, it should be fair to let that tidbit from Mayumi Iizuka into her entry as well.)

I must admit, though, that several members of the fanbase are severely misguided in regards to the effects of Misty returning. I don't personally think that it would "kill her character". I mean, first off, her not having a universally-bound main goal theoretically makes her far more interesting than characters with a main goal. I mean, take for example, Ash. he has a main goal to become the greatest Pokemon Master in the world, and yet, after 11-12 seasons with him, he's as stale as decades-old bread. Same thing with Dawn, technically speaking (since her goal is nothing more than a pointless redo of May's goal, regardless of whether she wanted to do it in the first place or not.). Besides, I watched Johto on that marathon over 2 years ago on summer vacation, and Misty did do quite a lot in that saga. Just because it wasn't a pokemon battle or a pokemon contest doesn't mean she didn't do anything. Besides, Brock did much less than her, and people didn't seem to act like Brock should be removed during that saga (they only complained when Hoenn came around.)

Another thing I don't understand is why must people automatically think that, just because I suggested I wait and see in regards to May returning when the Wallace Arc was coming up, I must hate May and want to deny her return? I mean, I'll admit that I do hate her for reasons best not mentioned, but it didn't even have anything to do with my wanting to wait it out until we have irrefutable information. I wanted to wait it out since the information seemed suspicious (it came out just near April Fools day, and I wanted people to not jump the gun yet, even IF Pokeani or any other site stated it, I even referenced how someone made a fake magazine article for GSDS on here, and they still mocked me and ridiculed me, even though I was trying to make points to explain why we should wait it out.)

man, sorry for the huge post. Had a lot in my head (I was also playing "Force Unleashed".)

anyways, that's all for now.

EDIT: Nickstr, I sent a PM to you on Serebiiforums. I wanted to let you know, since I wasn't sure if you had read it yet (there wasn't a response from you, since this was for both you and Pokemon Fan 132.)

Crystal Clair October 25th, 2008 9:20 AM

I just thought up an awesome idea! Misty as a reoccuring character! Kind of like what they're doing with Nozomi and Shinji. It wouldn't be the same as bringing her back onto the cast but at least she'd get more time than she's been getting.

That and for some reason I just don't want the gym to burden/control her life anymore. It'd be nice to know she's doing stuff.

weedle_mchairybug October 25th, 2008 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Clair (Post 4065209)
I just thought up an awesome idea! Misty as a reoccuring character! Kind of like what they're doing with Nozomi and Shinji. It wouldn't be the same as bringing her back onto the cast but at least she'd get more time than she's been getting.

I would agree with you on that... had they not already done something like that (Mirage Kingdom Arc and the beginning three episodes of Battle Frontier (the region, not the season) says "hi".). It's been proven that that isn't enough.

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That and for some reason I just don't want the gym to burden/control her life anymore. It'd be nice to know she's doing stuff.
Yeah, I know what that's like. I mean, after witnessing how JJM are losing rather pathetically and how Gym Leaders are suffering quite a few similar losses, I'm pretty sure that Misty's potential would actually sink like a brick than grow bigger if she keeps her gym duties up.

I mean, if the fanbase called how JJM losing to a barely even starting out Piplup with their own pokemon being at full potential "pathetic" and referring to them as "a bunch of weak and pathetic losers" and recieving great big complaints because of it, how on earth would Misty's status as a gym leader be any better?

anyways, I haven't gotten an answer to this question or a review on it, so after this post, PLEASE try and make time in your post to review it!

The video in question is this one:



I wanted reviews so that my hard work at least paid off here, as I feel uncomfortable when I worked hard on something for some people, and not get a single review. Heck, I'll even take negative reviews if it means getting one (even IF I don't like them, it's at least better than no review at all.). I mean, if I didn't get reviews, I would feel that I worked hard on the video for absolutely nothing, and that's not the feeling you would want to hear when you are in my position.

In fact, I'll make a topic on it:

What do you think about the Misty Video?

As I said before, a good try at editing, though I wish that I had a video editing software that can blur more places than just one blur per scene. And I wish that I included more of the evidence from my original take on it (as I only cut them out due to conflicts)

Anyways, that's all for now.

EDIT: I apologize for one of the scenes, and I did my best to try and blur it out to make it more kid-friendly, so please don't try and report me for it.

Crystal Clair October 25th, 2008 8:20 PM

Does anyone know what Misty fanartist did this pic and where her/his site is? I like the artstyle a lot
http://i33.*.com/21k9wsn.gif

nickstr October 26th, 2008 2:07 PM

I am not sure if that is fan art, it almost looks like official stock art. But I have seen fan art which does look like screen shots from the anime because it is so well done.

Guest123_x1 October 26th, 2008 6:09 PM

looks like fan art
 
The image is/was from Sana-chan's AAML fan site (now defunct) - it was hosted on Crosswinds but they discontinued their original free web hosting plan hosting years ago.
The webmistress's site is no longer available either.
I remember encountering it sometime in mid-2002 (after I first got internet access a couple months before)

nickstr October 27th, 2008 9:19 PM

Very interesting, looks really well done kind of like Carina's work and I have seen that picture in a few AMVs so I was wondering where it came from thanks for identifying it.

Crystal Clair October 27th, 2008 11:04 PM

Could someone upload Sana-chan's Misty fanart? It'd be a nice contribution to this club. I randomly happened to find a bunch of it on 4chan but they weren't that big. I wonder if they were originally those sizes...

Ayouki Emerald October 27th, 2008 11:22 PM

Wow, a thread for the revival of Misty! I'd certainly want to do so!
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/thumb/5/55/FL_Misty.png/150px-FL_Misty.png

nickstr October 28th, 2008 9:53 PM

I am sure most of us would like that although there is someone who posts here quite often who seems like they want Misty to be a minor character and not appear much on the anime anymore. Recently I found a book I have which is a novelization of The Waterflowers Of Cerulean City which was from the very first season of the Pokemon anime back when I am sure that most of us were watching it even though I started more toward season 2 though.

sirboulevard October 28th, 2008 9:56 PM

There is a novel of that episode Nick? You should post sections of it here! I miss Misty so much recently... -runs off to watch Misty Hosos-

nickstr October 29th, 2008 12:18 AM

Me too, I really miss her and have been going through withdrawals lately because of this. Maybe the best thing for me to do is to watch every single Misty centered episode I have on DVD and on the computer sometime soon in order to get over this.

weedle_mchairybug October 29th, 2008 2:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nickstr (Post 4076846)
I am sure most of us would like that although there is someone who posts here quite often who seems like they want Misty to be a minor character and not appear much on the anime anymore. Recently I found a book I have which is a novelization of The Waterflowers Of Cerulean City which was from the very first season of the Pokemon anime back when I am sure that most of us were watching it even though I started more toward season 2 though.

I actually own that book (If not now, then at least sometime ago), I believe that this book also covers "Princess vs. Princess" and "The Misty Mermaid". I also think this is the last novel to focus on three separate episodes altogether (as the next one, "Team Rocket Blasts off", focuses entirely on Battle of the Badge, and any references to other episodes are kept brief, like Caterpie battle, Vulpix Battle, and one other.)

Also, welcome back to the club, Otter Mii-kun.

Also, Ayouki Emerald, if that's a request to join, you can pick one of Misty's Pokemon, and wait until one of the higher ups allows you in.

anyways, that's all for now.

sirboulevard October 30th, 2008 1:19 PM

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My friend and Pair, ValentienUmbreon drew this scary pic for halloween (which I colored) involving Misty. After whats scarier than this?

Happy Halloween!

nickstr October 30th, 2008 4:30 PM

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I am not sure if that picture is creepy but it looks like something I would never see at all but then again Brock did end up hitting on Misty and did not realize it at first. The bock I mentioned does not cover Princess vs Princess at all or The Misty Mermaid, just The Waterflowers Of Cerulean City and is called Splashdown In Cerulean City. If attachments are allowed I could attach a scan of the cover to this message it looks like I can so attached is a scan of the cover.

weedle_mchairybug October 30th, 2008 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nickstr (Post 4081330)
I am not sure if that picture is creepy but it looks like something I would never see at all but then again Brock did end up hitting on Misty and did not realize it at first. The bock I mentioned does not cover Princess vs Princess at all or The Misty Mermaid, just The Waterflowers Of Cerulean City and is called Splashdown In Cerulean City. If attachments are allowed I could attach a scan of the cover to this message it looks like I can so attached is a scan of the cover.

Actually, that WAS the book I was referring to. I mean, I read it, and they also included Princess vs. Princess and the Misty Mermaid in it as well (I'm pretty sure they even had pictures of Misty and Jessie in that contest.). I definitely recalled them mentioning the plot points of "Princess vs. Princess" and "The Misty Mermaid" in there.

Also, SirBoulevard, the picture you made isn't even showing up on my end of the server. and... ahh... the only picture I've seen of Misty in a creepy manner was on BMGf's Misty club (on I think page 79), and the picture in question had Misty resembling Nemesis from the "Resident Evil" series, and is apparantly hunting down May, Max, and Ash. Actually, forget creepy, the picture in question was just flat out scary (FabuVinny posted it on there, and it was apparantly from a Japanese website.)

here's the link (view discretion is highly advised and recommended)

http://i10.*.com/2d1of9d.jpg

Don't say I didn't warn you.

EDIT: Ok, now I've seen it, and apart from Brock hitting on a 10-12 year old girl, I don't see how it can be close to scary.

sirboulevard October 30th, 2008 5:18 PM

Weedle I turned it into an attachment. Try seeing it now. Its not supposed to be like that scary, its scary because Brock is hitting on Misty. And that's scary because angry Misty comes next.

weedle_mchairybug October 30th, 2008 5:27 PM

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Weedle I turned it into an attachment. Try seeing it now. Its not supposed to be like that scary, its scary because Brock is hitting on Misty. And that's scary because angry Misty comes next.

I actually saw it before you posted it. And now I realized what you meant by scary. Thanks, anyways.

And, well, the pic I just posted (or rather, it's link) scared the bejebbes out of me whenever I saw it. If you saw it, you'll know exactly what I mean.

sirboulevard October 30th, 2008 5:28 PM

I did see it and I thought it was funny. Be funnier if Misty ate May's brains...

nickstr October 30th, 2008 8:02 PM

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That picture was absolutely terrifying and the last time I saw it, I could not un-see it for a long time and normally I am really good at that kind of thing. I guess what this needs is a picture of Misty which is totally opposite of that one and I think I know just the one luckily.

Outlander November 3rd, 2008 6:17 AM

I'd like to join this club. I choose Politoed as the pokemon of hers I'd use.
I really wish they'd bring her back >_> I like Dawn and May but meh its just not the same without Misty shes awesome

Eleventyseventy November 3rd, 2008 7:55 AM

Been watching DVDs of the Johto Journeys and really can't believe they got rid of Misty.
I hope she makes a comeback and that it's the original trio when the anime does end.

Kasumi November 3rd, 2008 8:25 AM

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Been watching DVDs of the Johto Journeys and really can't believe they got rid of Misty.
I hope she makes a comeback and that it's the original trio when the anime does end.
Just wanderful words. It's great that we have still new members. I think we will see Misty at the end of DP serie.

Crystal Clair November 3rd, 2008 2:39 PM

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That picture was absolutely terrifying and the last time I saw it, I could not un-see it for a long time and normally I am really good at that kind of thing. I guess what this needs is a picture of Misty which is totally opposite of that one and I think I know just the one luckily.
You've been really sheltered. I swear, there are loads and loads of pictures on the internet that are worse than that picture *cough/b/cough*

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It's been proven that that isn't enough.
You sure are are an ungrateful Misty fan if you're denying the potential of a compromise and insisting that she must return to the cast completely. If Misty became a reoccuring character in DP, it'd be like Shinji who has appeared many episodes so far. However, if Misty started appearing as much episodes as Nozomi, that could make her character stale. Are you even aware how often a reoccuring character in Pokemon can occur?

weedle_mchairybug November 3rd, 2008 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Crystal Clair (Post 4093517)
You've been really sheltered. I swear, there are loads and loads of pictures on the internet that are worse than that picture *cough/b/cough*

Yeah, I'm aware that there are far worse pics on the net (Heck, when I was doing a project on poems and searching for Ariel images for said project, I accidentally stumbled upon the worst fanart/ecchi picture of Ariel or any female character that I had ever seen [believe me, you do NOT want to know what was going on in it, it was just too disgusting, and even IF you wanted to know, I don't feel comfortable talking about it, and besides which, it's against the rules to mention it's contents.].), but that doesn't mean that it wasn't less disturbing (Heck, I was very disturbed by it too.)

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You sure are are an ungrateful Misty fan if you're denying the potential of a compromise and insisting that she must return to the cast completely. If Misty became a reoccuring character in DP, it'd be like Shinji who has appeared many episodes so far. However, if Misty started appearing as much episodes as Nozomi, that could make her character stale. Are you even aware how often a reoccuring character in Pokemon can occur?
I can vouch. See, even IF she felt that it's nice, I have to agree with her that, while an appearance is nice, it's still not enough. I mean, Yes, she does have the tendency to get stale if she were a main cast member, but considering how they are milking out Ash, Brock, and the coordinator aspect for all it's worth, regardless of whether they are getting stale or not, It won't matter in regards to stality. And plus, considering how Ash, Brock, Team Rocket, May, And even Dawn get backlashed and threads demanding them to be removed because they're "Stale" since they have a main goal, since Misty doesn't really have a "Main Goal", she's theoretically more interesting to watch than the others. besides, some people are actually complaining that her leaving the show are actually making her MORE stale than less (since they feel that she is an entirely different character.).

Anyways, I don't know if you remember this or not, but Masamitsu Hidaka said this as to why he removed Misty from the main cast (and ultimately, why they replace girls from now on), which caused a LOT of controversy on the forums:

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So then I said, “Why can’t you just ditch Brock, have Ash, have Misty, and then bring in a new boy? That would be switching up things instead of having a new girl.” His following answers made me laugh my head off – I had to pick it up off the floor and reattach it. He stated that they like to switch up the girls because it gives the boys some new eye candy every once in a while. He also said girls are more customizable and you can change their outfits, like when they are in their bathing suits (yes, he specifically said that). He also said Ken Sugimori designs a new girl with each generation and that gives them another excuse to switch the girl, though I reminded him that there is also a new boy with each generation too, and it wouldn't hurt to use them.
I mean, if someone said they removed a female character just so they can make a playboy bunny factory for males, you would also be upset (and rightfully so, not to mention), and thus, have a very GOOD reason to try and bring Misty back onto the Main cast (heck, if it makes you guys happy, it won't have to come at the cost at losing Dawn.).

Also, I officially left the BMGf club. I mean, after what the mods are acting towards those Misty fans who are loyal to her, bullying them, mocking them, I just had enough, I had someone (Nickstr/AJNrules) try and deliver my final message since, after what happened that summer, I decided to not return to the club as long as Kasumi (the BMGf mod, I mean), Geodude, and the like are still around. Honestly, those guys should be ashamed to call themselves Misty fans. I mean, believing they shouldn't return is one thing, but trying to tease and hurt several Misty fans who do believe is wrong and intolerable.

CC, I know you may be in disagreement with me somewhat, but still, if your post was placed on a forum by backstabbers who you thought were comrades and friends, and they did it out of the sake of cruelty and trying to poke fun at you, and they did it with neither your knowledge and/or consent, you will ALSO feel hurt, betrayed, and rightfully rageful.

Anyways, that's all for now.

Eleventyseventy November 3rd, 2008 5:55 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 4093781)
blah blah blah

Needs more Misty praise.

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Why can’t you just ditch Brock, have Ash, have Misty, and then bring in a new boy?
They tried that. Didn't work so well.
I couldn't stand Tracey sometimes.. =/

weedle_mchairybug November 3rd, 2008 6:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8 (Post 4094134)
Needs more Misty praise.

So... what are you commenting on (You listed the thing I said as "blah blah blah")?

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They tried that. Didn't work so well.
I couldn't stand Tracey sometimes.. =/
You know, the thing is... is that, if it didn't work for brock, they shouldn't have tried it with Misty either. I mean, if it didn't work for one character, why should it work for any of the characters? The whole replacing Misty thing is pointless anyways. I mean, really, if what he said was true, and the only reason why they replaced Misty was just so guys can have a playboy bunny in their house, so to speak, which it seems it is, they were just shortsighted and shallow.

Also, I heard that they only replaced Brock due to fears of labeling Brock as a racist stereotype on Asians or something?

nickstr November 4th, 2008 1:12 AM

I have a question about this, exactly how many episodes has Shinji been seen in during Diamond and Pearl and if it is five then I don't think that would suffice but I like the idea of Misty as a recurring character as long as it is NOT once every two or three years. That would be a great way for the writers and producers to try and find redemption in Misty's fans considering that only a very small portion of them are still watching the show and that number is shrinking. Quite a few have said they would watch the show again if Misty became a main character again but I think that they would be happy if she was a recurring character who appeared on a regular basis especially considering how badly Misty was shafted in recent years despite having lots of potential. I doubt the writers would go for this considering that it seems like they want to kill the show but if their ratings sink low enough they will have to think outside the box they have trapped themselves in during the past six years or so in order to keep the show from being canceled by TV Tokyo.


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