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Wandering lucario September 8th, 2009 1:00 AM

wowww long post and now im depressed from reading it

Crystal Clair September 8th, 2009 3:20 AM

Weedle, although I don't agree with you on everything, I have to admit that Pokemon lacks a female that isn't a butch lesbian like Nozomi nor a girly girl like Hikari. With the new girl, I hate how she replaced the only other tomboyish yet not butch heroine in the series. I also heard that she Kotone (the new HGSS girl) may do contests and that makes me mad how they make every girl do contests.

I don't know why having a girl like Misty would be so hard for them.

weedle_mchairybug September 8th, 2009 1:35 PM

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Weedle, although I don't agree with you on everything, I have to admit that Pokemon lacks a female that isn't a butch lesbian like Nozomi nor a girly girl like Hikari. With the new girl, I hate how she replaced the only other tomboyish yet not butch heroine in the series. I also heard that she Kotone (the new HGSS girl) may do contests and that makes me mad how they make every girl do contests.

I don't know why having a girl like Misty would be so hard for them.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, there are quite a few girls who don't like that image of Girls (Heck, Ariel, the Little Mermaid, was popular and almost legendary due to the fact that she was the first Disney Princess to not be that kind of stereotypical girl. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for her OR her movie, Disney would have shut down.). Unfortunately, some people (IE, Piplup from BMGf) seem to be under the delusion that in order for a female character to even be considered remotely popular to the target audience, the girls HAVE to be that overly girly. Even when I or Pokemon Fan 132 tried to supply anything to the contrary, he still seems to believe it, and in my case, he mocks me/us.

BTW, this doesn't exactly relate to Misty in any way other than what may end up happening if she doesn't return, but...

On SPPf, someone had apparantly "found" evidence that there "may" be an episode where Dawn is "nude", and the Pokemon Contest is "held" at a "Hot Spring", and supplying a "magazine scan" that apparantly "confirmed" it.

Of course, soon thereafter, it ended up being dismissed as a hoax (and it took a while before Serebii caught on and removed the title on the site). Initially, I was glad that it was resolved as a Hoax, but then I realized that we probably haven't completely confirmed it (not yet, anyways), and that, for all I know, that may end up being ironically true (ironic in the sense that what was originally made like a hoax actually ended up being legit in the end), so I'm waiting for TVTokyo (or whatever the Japanese version of TVguide is) to announce the new DP147 title before I can completely dismiss it as a hoax.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I DO want it to be a Hoax, and I'm hoping that it is one, but on the other hand, considering how Pokemon is getting more risque by the minute (I mean, we had May posing in a LOT of bathing suits, not to mention being tied with Marina for having the largest boobs on a ten year old, her even stripping into a swimsuit in Brave the Wave [not to mention some shots of Brock staring at May's "assets"], Dawn showing off outfits that DEFINITELY would not be acceptable wear (like the cheerleading/maid/loli outfits. Plus Jessie [kinda] appearing naked and a near-viewing of Giovanni's butt (cringes at the thought) in "Hot-springing a leak", so it would only be a matter of time before they actually do end up going through an episode like the hoax described, DP147 or not, and whether I like it or not.).

I can't really give you SPPf's version of the thread, but I can at LEAST give you the BMGf version of the thread so you can see what I'm talking about:

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?t=43447

It's closed, but you can still see what happened.

EDIT: You know, call me paranoid, but I think I need to make absolute certain the plotline/title/scan is a hoax even IF the title isn't the same (meaning, I'm gonna have to wait until the episode actually airs). I mean, with pre-summaries, they sometimes leave very important parts of the episode out (tied to the main plot, I mean). For example, when the Hippowdon episode was first unveiled with the summary, they didn't mention the fact that Butch and Cassidy would be appearing in the episode and be the main antagonists. I also cannot trust previews due to the fact that they are misleading (like the Buizel capture episode, where it was made in such a way that made it seem like Ash was the one who captured it instead of Dawn), and if there is a Hotspring, she isn't shown to be nude in any way (she can wear a towel, but that's it).

EDIT2: Unfortunately, it seems the "Hoax" episode actually is the actual DP147. Not only did the October Calendar confirm it, they even gave the date that it was expected to air, as evidenced by this conversation:

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User_talk:Kenji-girl#DP147_.21.21.21

Wandering lucario September 8th, 2009 1:53 PM

wow thats weird and u wriite really long posts

Kasumi September 9th, 2009 4:20 PM

MWM made new wanderful fanarts. Look at her deviant :)

Wandering lucario September 10th, 2009 12:35 PM

is it okay if i like May as much as Misty

サトヒロ=カノン September 11th, 2009 10:16 AM

youd ont need her she will only destroy the show again

weedle_mchairybug September 11th, 2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by サトヒロ=カノン (Post 5103711)
youd ont need her she will only destroy the show again

Look, kid. This is a Misty club, so you shouldn't say things like that on here. In fact, it's a very bad idea to do that, as unlike in a regular forum, this isn't even allowed, period.

Anime/Mangalover247 September 11th, 2009 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 5104074)
Look, kid. This is a Misty club, so you shouldn't say things like that on here. In fact, it's a very bad idea to do that, as unlike in a regular forum, this isn't even allowed, period.

Couldn't have agreed more, and besides if you don't like Misty then go somewhere else please

I Laugh at your Misfortune! September 12th, 2009 9:27 AM

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is it okay if i like May as much as Misty

Yep :D I personally don't have anything against May or Dawn, I just prefer Misty to either of them.

weedle_mchairybug September 12th, 2009 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta Vulpix (Post 5100706)
is it okay if i like May as much as Misty

As long as you don't mention May much in this club, it's ok.

I mean, no offense, but I don't like May. in fact, it's probably borderline hate. I won't get into the details, as that might incite a flame war, so let's just leave it at May not being a good role model for girls to emulate.

Wandering lucario September 13th, 2009 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 5108188)
As long as you don't mention May much in this club, it's ok.

I mean, no offense, but I don't like May. in fact, it's probably borderline hate. I won't get into the details, as that might incite a flame war, so let's just leave it at May not being a good role model for girls to emulate.

1.okay about the fisrt sentence
2. dont dis May i made a club for her and i take that to heart

weedle_mchairybug September 13th, 2009 2:25 PM

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1.okay about the fisrt sentence
2. dont dis May i made a club for her and i take that to heart

Well, I wasn't really "dissing" May. I was only stating my emotions about her and my reasons as a FYI moment. In order for me to be dissing her... well, my comment about May would have been far worse, let's just put it that way. Though, I'm sorry if I did somehow diss her.

Maybe I shouldn't have stated the reasonings.

I Laugh at your Misfortune! September 13th, 2009 5:34 PM

I have a question to pose:

Surskit. Part Water, part Bug. What would Misty's opinion be?

sirboulevard September 13th, 2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Screw the rules, I have green hair! (Post 5114781)
I have a question to pose:

Surskit. Part Water, part Bug. What would Misty's opinion be?

I've thought of this one before. LOL. its hard core water but too buggy for her. She'd have a paradox heartattack.

Misty: "I LOVE IT BUT ITS ICKY A BUG BUT WATER...."

Also, what is everyone's opinion on Misty's appearance in HGSS?

Semidos September 14th, 2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 5115455)
Also, what is everyone's opinion on Misty's appearance in HGSS?

You mean HGSS series after Sinnoh League? If yes. Well. I think she will back and rejoin to group, Dawn will leave and go to home or somewhere. There's no other way for me. Hehe, that's my little dream. If she won't, hmm I will be so sad. However the last appearance was a long time ago, so she must have at least a little appearance now (Sinnoh League or after that).

False Flag September 14th, 2009 1:57 PM

Can I join this group? I like Misty because if I didn't, I wouldn't be posting in this club in the first place. ;]

I don't know why having a girl like Misty would be so hard for them.

Yeah, Ash needs more rivals. It would be awesome if Misty came back as a rival, but a friendly rival like Barry. She's one of the very few female trainers (I like Dawn, but she's more of a Coordinator than a trainer). She even has Starmie and Gyarados, two top tier water types.

I don't know if this is common knowledge, but Pokemon's ratings did drop after Misty left, at least in America. The show's popular due to Platinum, but that can't last too long.
Surskit. Part Water, part Bug. What would Misty's opinion be?I've thought of this one before. LOL. its hard core water but too buggy for her. She'd have a paradox heartattack.

QFT

Also, what is everyone's opinion on Misty's appearance in HGSS?

Hope she'll pwn people in battle.

weedle_mchairybug September 15th, 2009 2:06 AM

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Originally Posted by False Flag (Post 5117282)
Can I join this group? I like Misty because if I didn't, I wouldn't be posting in this club in the first place. ;]

Sure, though I do need to point out that just because someone posts on the club doesn't necessarily mean that they are a Misty fan. Take Leagueshipper on September 11th, as he posted on the club, and yet, given the nature of his post, he definitely wasn't a Misty fan.

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I don't know why having a girl like Misty would be so hard for them.

Yeah, Ash needs more rivals. It would be awesome if Misty came back as a rival, but a friendly rival like Barry. She's one of the very few female trainers (I like Dawn, but she's more of a Coordinator than a trainer). She even has Starmie and Gyarados, two top tier water types."
Not to mention the fact that unlike... Dawn, Misty isn't even of the FAS (I just couldn't mention my viewpoint of May on here, due to who is on here). I mean, I had Princess Vs. Princess, Love Hina, and possibly other factors (including "her" on May 25th, 2006) that made me realize that Misty may be the only chance we've got to stopping this stereotype.

"I don't know if this is common knowledge, but Pokemon's ratings did drop after Misty left, at least in America. The show's popular due to Platinum, but that can't last too long."

I've heard. And going by data that Nickstr had found, apparantly, DP and AG is also tanking, even in Japan.

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Surskit. Part Water, part Bug. What would Misty's opinion be?I've thought of this one before. LOL. its hard core water but too buggy for her. She'd have a paradox heartattack.

QFT

Also, what is everyone's opinion on Misty's appearance in HGSS?

Hope she'll pwn people in battle.
agreed on both fronts. I also hope that they don't decide to basically make Misty into something similar to the Anime version of Sonsaku Hakufu or the Love Hina girls.

For the part on Surskit, that may have a contributing factor of having her get over her fear of bugs completely.

EDIT: Well, the good news is that the DP147 title we heard before is a hoax.

False Flag September 25th, 2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 5119127)
Sure, though I do need to point out that just because someone posts on the club doesn't necessarily mean that they are a Misty fan. Take Leagueshipper on September 11th, as he posted on the club, and yet, given the nature of his post, he definitely wasn't a Misty fan.

Yeah, people do tend to troll sometimes...

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Not to mention the fact that unlike... Dawn, Misty isn't even of the FAS (I just couldn't mention my viewpoint of May on here, due to who is on here). I mean, I had Princess Vs. Princess, Love Hina, and possibly other factors (including "her" on May 25th, 2006) that made me realize that Misty may be the only chance we've got to stopping this stereotype.
I see, but I agree with you. There's no real point of having "fanservice" in the Pokemon anime. People ie me just wanna see big huge tall pokemon beat the snot out of one another. You've mananged to see Love Hina, lol. Love Hina and Bleach are relatively tame compared to some anime/manga I've seen/read. Anyway, I see your point. Take DBZ for example. There's pretty much no fanservice at all in the series. Why is/was DBZ more popular than Love Hina? Because people just wanna see muscleheads pound one another, fire dah lazars, and out tank one another, not aethestically attractive anime women. Besides, most of the audience that watches Pokemon don't really care about romance/beauty/aethestically attractive females. They only fight wanna see the fights. Boys and girls that age are battle and action junkies.

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"I've heard. And going by data that Nickstr had found, apparantly, DP and AG is also tanking, even in Japan."
Pretty much. Like I've said above, people wanna see Ash/Paul/Barry's pkmn beat each other up. They don't care about short skirts, etc.

"agreed on both fronts. I also hope that they don't decide to basically make Misty into something similar to the Anime version of Sonsaku Hakufu or the Love Hina girls."

True, that would ruin her.

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For the part on Surskit, that may have a contributing factor of having her get over her fear of bugs completely.
Yeah, but being afraid of bugs isn't a bad thing. Just look at Scyther. It has scythes for arms for Arceus sake.

False Flag October 7th, 2009 10:16 AM

I wonder if Misty will ever get a cameo apperance in Sinnoh.

Since there's a Battle Frontier, she'll at least make a cameo in Johto, since that's where the remakes were made.

weedle_mchairybug October 7th, 2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by False Flag (Post 5194013)
I wonder if Misty will ever get a cameo apperance in Sinnoh.

Since there's a Battle Frontier, she'll at least make a cameo in Johto, since that's where the remakes were made.

We have two scenarios that she'll appear in.

First is a Togetic/Togekiss appearance (yeah, yeah, I know it's not likely, especially considering what happened to Misty's Togetic, but then again, the Sadistic Togepi that appeared recently won't evolve anytime soon, and the only other logical appearance that Togekiss can have, Cynthia, is even less likely to happen, especially considering how the GLs seemed to only use their DP lineups, and Togekiss was in her Platinum lineups. Now, if Volkner ends up using his Platinum Lineup, I'm willing to give her a shot at debuting Togekiss).

The next, which would be, at least IMO, more likely, is if they do something akin to a Whirl Cup either during or after Ash wins against Volkner. She arrives in Sinnoh so that she can truly determine whether she is truly getting close to her goal as a Water Pokemon Master while at the gym. She decided Sinnoh instead of the Whirl Cup because it's league participation challenge is unparallel [referring to how Sinnoh is by far the toughest Elite 4 challenge in the games], and thus perfect at determining once and for all whether she can stay at the gym or continue on her journey. She then competes with Ash in the Water Pokemon League, with the latter doing so in preparation for the Pokemon League that's coming up. Dawn tries to train for the Grand Festival, while Brock, as usual, decides to sit back and watch, maybe also trying to hitch up a Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny or any girl nearby. Misty faces off against Ash, and probably beats him, though it's ok for him since he only joined so he could train for the League anyways. This match would either be in the top 8 or the top 24. Also, she either does worse than before [Top 16, at the highest], she still achieved her previous rank [Top 8], or she does better than before [Top 4 or Champion]. Either way, she may decide she should just try and leave the Gym and continue her journey to become a Water Pokemon Master, as she still doesn't feel that she would be able to meet the requirements of becoming a Water Pokemon Master because of the Gym.

Now, how she'll do this, there are two scenarios. She can either rejoin Ash's group, or she can go by herself.

Well, that's basically the scenarios I can think of. I can't do the other scenario in which she appeared since in order for that to happen, they won't be in Sinnoh.

Also, while I did initially think they'd go to Johto, I'm not sure that they're even going to go, especially seeing how the Battle Frontier in Johto is the exact same BF as the one in Sinnoh, right down to the Brains (Sometimes I wonder if there even was a point in making a BF). Also, seeing how Palmer was only identified as one of the members of the Sinnoh Battle Frontier, with absolutely no reference to Johto's Battle Frontier, then, IF Ash goes to Johto this series, it definitely won't be for the Battle Frontier.

EDIT: BTW, Nickstr, What's the current news in regards to DP ratings in Japan, especially in comparison of AG and the Johto Saga of the Original Series?

False Flag October 7th, 2009 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by weedle_mchairybug (Post 5194087)
We have two scenarios that she'll appear in.

First is a Togetic/Togekiss appearance (yeah, yeah, I know it's not likely, especially considering what happened to Misty's Togetic, but then again, the Sadistic Togepi that appeared recently won't evolve anytime soon, and the only other logical appearance that Togekiss can have, Cynthia, is even less likely to happen, especially considering how the GLs seemed to only use their DP lineups, and Togekiss was in her Platinum lineups. Now, if Volkner ends up using his Platinum Lineup, I'm willing to give her a shot at debuting Togekiss).

It's a possiblity.

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The next, which would be, at least IMO, more likely, is if they do something akin to a Whirl Cup either during or after Ash wins against Volkner. She arrives in Sinnoh so that she can truly determine whether she is truly getting close to her goal as a Water Pokemon Master while at the gym. She decided Sinnoh instead of the Whirl Cup because it's league participation challenge is unparallel [referring to how Sinnoh is by far the toughest Elite 4 challenge in the games], and thus perfect at determining once and for all whether she can stay at the gym or continue on her journey. She then competes with Ash in the Water Pokemon League, with the latter doing so in preparation for the Pokemon League that's coming up. Dawn tries to train for the Grand Festival, while Brock, as usual, decides to sit back and watch, maybe also trying to hitch up a Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny or any girl nearby. Misty faces off against Ash, and probably beats him, though it's ok for him since he only joined so he could train for the League anyways. This match would either be in the top 8 or the top 24. Also, she either does worse than before [Top 16, at the highest], she still achieved her previous rank [Top 8], or she does better than before [Top 4 or Champion]. Either way, she may decide she should just try and leave the Gym and continue her journey to become a Water Pokemon Master, as she still doesn't feel that she would be able to meet the requirements of becoming a Water Pokemon Master because of the Gym.
Kanto's kinda far away from Sinnoh though, but if they brought back May for a while, they could do Misty as well. Seeing how Sinnoh's more focused on Ash, it will probably take place in Johto, for the filler arc between 4th and 5th generation, since there's a Hax Battle Frontier there.

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Now, how she'll do this, there are two scenarios. She can either rejoin Ash's group, or she can go by herself.
It depends on the writers though. Misty needs some sort of Pokemon mascot. Ash has Pikachu, Dawn has Piplup, etc. Brock's only there for lols though. If they make Misty a rival, that could work. Ash has 2 rivals: Paul and Barry. Gary doesn't count since he's hardly ever there. A female rival could work for Ash imo.

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Well, that's basically the scenarios I can think of. I can't do the other scenario in which she appeared since in order for that to happen, they won't be in Sinnoh.

Also, while I did initially think they'd go to Johto, I'm not sure that they're even going to go, especially seeing how the Battle Frontier in Johto is the exact same BF as the one in Sinnoh, right down to the Brains (Sometimes I wonder if there even was a point in making a BF). Also, seeing how Palmer was only identified as one of the members of the Sinnoh Battle Frontier, with absolutely no reference to Johto's Battle Frontier, then, IF Ash goes to Johto this series, it definitely won't be for the Battle Frontier.
They might do a Whirl Cup like tournament though it will be open to all pokemon. I hope there's no pushovers though. The Hoenn gym leaders were weak since Ash used hax and at least he fought people worth something ie Paul, Barry, Candice, etc.

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EDIT: BTW, Nickstr, What's the current news in regards to DP ratings in Japan, especially in comparison of AG and the Johto Saga of the Original Series?
Pokemon Platinum did make an impact in the ratings though.

weedle_mchairybug October 7th, 2009 3:45 PM

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Originally Posted by False Flag (Post 5194865)
It's a possiblity.

Yeah, it is. Maybe a low possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. Besides, it's at least higher than Anime Cynthia owning a Togekiss, seeing how the writers seem to be skipping Platinum Lineups and resorting to DP lineups only.

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Kanto's kinda far away from Sinnoh though, but if they brought back May for a while, they could do Misty as well. Seeing how Sinnoh's more focused on Ash, it will probably take place in Johto, for the filler arc between 4th and 5th generation, since there's a Hax Battle Frontier there.
Yeah, but then again, Hoenn was just as far away from Kanto as Sinnoh was, and she still managed to visit. Seeing how 2011 is just two years away, and yet they have not even debuted a single Gen 5 pokemon, even by sihlouette, I'm starting to doubt that it will happen. They would have done it by now if they were.

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It depends on the writers though. Misty needs some sort of Pokemon mascot. Ash has Pikachu, Dawn has Piplup, etc. Brock's only there for lols though. If they make Misty a rival, that could work. Ash has 2 rivals: Paul and Barry. Gary doesn't count since he's hardly ever there. A female rival could work for Ash imo.
I agree. Now that you mention it, they haven't even given Ash a female rival. The closest to a true female rival that we've ever had was Zoey, and she wasn't even that much of a rival anyhow. Well, either Staryu, Gyarados, or Marril [assuming Azurill evolved by now] would work as a Mascot for her. Besides, she technically did have one [Togepi], though since it's gone, if she returns, she should have another one.

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They might do a Whirl Cup like tournament though it will be open to all pokemon. I hope there's no pushovers though. The Hoenn gym leaders were weak since Ash used hax and at least he fought people worth something ie Paul, Barry, Candice, etc.
I agree about the Hoenn Gym Leaders, they were horrible. In fact, combined with Team Rocket's Losses (especially the first, and worst, loss in "Ash Catches a Pokemon"), these guys were basically the reason why I viewed all Gym Leaders as being weak and pathetic losers. It's even worse considering how the Hoenn saga happened immediately after Misty left. It's almost as if they were giving Misty the Gym Leader position solely as an excuse to try and insult her and say "she's so weak that we should make her into basically a punching bag for the kids to basically beat up! I know what that is called, it's called a Gym Leader!". See how the way they did gyms during that region would imply that?! You see how insulting that would feel to hear a character you respect basically treated like that?! How they did it also made me resent their decision to make her a Gym Leader (well, technically, she was one before [Waterflowers of Cerulean City], but I mean actually being at the Gym).

It wasn't even because she wanted to exceed her skills. She only returned to the Gym because of her sisters abandoning it completely for a three month cruise. Though to their credit, they were at least better Gym Leaders than Lola was (since it was implied in Waterflowers that they did use to take the Gym seriously, but thanks to not only losing to a rookie for the third time, leaving all of their pokemon at the Center, the rookie who beat them, Gary, basically rubbed their noses in their loss. Lola, on the other hand, didn't seem to even take the job seriously from the start. In fact, arguably, she tarnished Pewter Gym even more than all three Cerulean Sisters combined could EVER do with Cerulean Gym. Funnily enough, Pewter Gym passed with flying colors despite failing two out of three requirements of keeping the Gym in business, whileas Cerulean Gym was actually threatened with being shut down all because her sisters weren't present.).

Honestly, and people say that Johto was the worst season. If I had to choose the worst season, then Hoenn was.

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Pokemon Platinum did make an impact in the ratings though.
Yeah, let's hope that it was high enough to actually exceed Johto, which, by the fanbases standpoint, was the worst season. Nickstr implied that AG and DP, even in Japan, fared worse than even Johto in terms of the Ratings.

False Flag October 8th, 2009 1:18 PM

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Yeah, it is. Maybe a low possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. Besides, it's at least higher than Anime Cynthia owning a Togekiss, seeing how the writers seem to be skipping Platinum Lineups and resorting to DP lineups only.

That's quite possible.

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Yeah, but then again, Hoenn was just as far away from Kanto as Sinnoh was, and she still managed to visit. Seeing how 2011 is just two years away, and yet they have not even debuted a single Gen 5 pokemon, even by sihlouette, I'm starting to doubt that it will happen. They would have done it by now if they were.
Yeah, I feel that the gap between 4th and 5th generation will be as long as the gap between 2nd and 3rd generation. Gamefreak usually tries to balance out the game mechanics. Example : Psychic types were godly in Generation 1 and Generation 2 was very stall heavy. I can still see the writers squeeze in Misty before Generation 5 but it will probably take place in Johto.

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I agree. Now that you mention it, they haven't even given Ash a female rival. The closest to a true female rival that we've ever had was Zoey, and she wasn't even that much of a rival anyhow. Well, either Staryu, Gyarados, or Marril [assuming Azurill evolved by now] would work as a Mascot for her. Besides, she technically did have one [Togepi], though since it's gone, if she returns, she should have another one.
It might come back, you never know. One of the reasons why they kicked Misty out and not Ash was because of Ash having Pikachu and Togepi and Psyduck were outclassed. I think her Starmie or Gyarados could be her mascot. I can picture Misty as a Barry type rival. As for Zoey, Dawn doesn't really have any real rivals, including Kenny, lol.

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I agree about the Hoenn Gym Leaders, they were horrible. In fact, combined with Team Rocket's Losses (especially the first, and worst, loss in "Ash Catches a Pokemon"), these guys were basically the reason why I viewed all Gym Leaders as being weak and pathetic losers. It's even worse considering how the Hoenn saga happened immediately after Misty left. It's almost as if they were giving Misty the Gym Leader position solely as an excuse to try and insult her and say "she's so weak that we should make her into basically a punching bag for the kids to basically beat up! I know what that is called, it's called a Gym Leader!". See how the way they did gyms during that region would imply that?! You see how insulting that would feel to hear a character you respect basically treated like that?! How they did it also made me resent their decision to make her a Gym Leader (well, technically, she was one before [Waterflowers of Cerulean City], but I mean actually being at the Gym).
Yeah, the writers pretty much made Misty a jobber. At least the Sinnoh gym leaders are worth something.

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It wasn't even because she wanted to exceed her skills. She only returned to the Gym because of her sisters abandoning it completely for a three month cruise. Though to their credit, they were at least better Gym Leaders than Lola was (since it was implied in Waterflowers that they did use to take the Gym seriously, but thanks to not only losing to a rookie for the third time, leaving all of their pokemon at the Center, the rookie who beat them, Gary, basically rubbed their noses in their loss. Lola, on the other hand, didn't seem to even take the job seriously from the start. In fact, arguably, she tarnished Pewter Gym even more than all three Cerulean Sisters combined could EVER do with Cerulean Gym. Funnily enough, Pewter Gym passed with flying colors despite failing two out of three requirements of keeping the Gym in business, whileas Cerulean Gym was actually threatened with being shut down all because her sisters weren't present.).
Pretty much. The only Kanto gym leaders that were worth anything were Blaine, Sabrina, and Giovanni. Ash didn't even really fight Giovanni or Sabrina. Most of his gym badges back then were pretty much given to him as noted by Misty.

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Honestly, and people say that Johto was the worst season. If I had to choose the worst season, then Hoenn was.
Johto was too long, but the end of Johto made up for it. Ash vs Gary was good since they finally get to fight after all the seasons, lol. Charizard vs Blaziken was way better than any of the Hoenn fights. At least the Battle Frontier Brains were worth something since they were noted to be stronger than the Hoenn gym leaders and Elite 4.

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Yeah, let's hope that it was high enough to actually exceed Johto, which, by the fanbases standpoint, was the worst season. Nickstr implied that AG and DP, even in Japan, fared worse than even Johto in terms of the Ratings.
For now, hope so.

dooley422 October 19th, 2009 1:30 PM

misty can dance. if i found her, i'd say"Misty, if you want, I can take you to my homecoming dance. you're cute all around, so you meet my standards"


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