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Kairi September 24th, 2003 5:29 PM

Tyranitar has a good ability, Dragon Dance, and high attack.
Umbreon is a tank, a Trap passer, Toxicer, Charmer whatever you want it to be...Absol has high attack and good passing potential. Sableye has poor stats, but one weakness and much of Umbreon's potential. Houndoom now has two excellent abilities in addition to an already impressive arsenal despite low defense.

Frostweaver September 24th, 2003 5:33 PM

crunch is pretty common, and it's on plenty of Pokemon. Sharpedo is usable with incredible attack power. Maybe all it needs is a friendly boost from Ninjask. I forgot about Mightyena... it is a pretty weak Pokemon...

dark attacks are only strong against psychic (the main use for dark types) and ghost. Except for the legendaries, most psychic types have a great weakness towards a physical attack because of its stats. So it won't matter too much if crunch isn't a tm. Through breeding crunch is pretty common imho.

Haruka September 24th, 2003 6:34 PM

How come Azumarill's Special Attack Stats is so poor. I am woundering why.

Kairi September 24th, 2003 6:38 PM

Well, before it made it pretty underused. Now it has Huge Power though, so that could make quite a bit of difference.

Frostweaver September 24th, 2003 7:13 PM

but now it would be a physical attacker with Huge Power... (or what i prefer "Super Inhuman Strength," from the time where we play subbed Ru/Sa). It won't be a good surf/ice beam user... but it's not like it can learn much physical attacks too. So i still doubt if it'll be used in the metagame.

Iveechan September 24th, 2003 7:16 PM

Fine, I'm wrong again, dark types don't have it bad. Geez.

jynx September 24th, 2003 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haruka
How come Azumarill's Special Attack Stats is so poor. I am woundering why.

It's a baby. ^^
Besides, its cute.

Iveechan September 25th, 2003 12:19 AM

Azurill is the baby, Azumarill is the big dude. They really should've made Azurill's name different.

jynx September 25th, 2003 3:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iveechan
Azurill is the baby, Azumarill is the big dude. They really should've made Azurill's name different.

OIC
Sorry blah...
But I think Jynx should have a higher HP or speed and Gengar should have a higer attack.

Kairi September 25th, 2003 6:15 AM

Jynx has Mean Look+Perish Song+Lovely Kiss

It can be very annoying at times...there are few non-00ber 100% ways of taking them down.

jynx September 25th, 2003 7:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kairi
Jynx has Mean Look+Perish Song+Lovely Kiss

It can be very annoying at times...there are few non-00ber 100% ways of taking them down.

I won't have spent 3 rounds using these 3 silly tripping enemy attack!
Jynx won't be able to stay to the end!
Besides, you cannot use Perish Song or Hypnotise more than2 opponents in Hong Kong Pokemon Alliance competitions!

What I want is SPEED!! The faster, the better. The higher the speed is, the faster the more opponents I can beat!

Kairi September 25th, 2003 8:04 AM

You can Lovely Kiss first, and perhaps catch them on the switch. Then, use Mean Look. Even if they switch again, it will start the process. You can use Perish Song and Protect and switch out at the end.

jynx September 26th, 2003 7:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kairi
You can Lovely Kiss first, and perhaps catch them on the switch. Then, use Mean Look. Even if they switch again, it will start the process. You can use Perish Song and Protect and switch out at the end.

The accuracy of Lovely Kiss is only 75%.

And...WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PERISH SONG IN HONG KONG POKEMON ALLIANCE!!

Sturm September 26th, 2003 7:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jynx
The accuracy of Lovely Kiss is only 75%.

And...WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE PERISH SONG IN HONG KONG POKEMON ALLIANCE!!

Hong Kong Pokemon Alliance? Not able to use Perish Song? I wonder why?

Kairi September 26th, 2003 7:36 AM

Well, it's a valid move though, and it is one of Jynx's strengths.

Is sleep clause and one-hit KO clause in effect there as well?

Sturm September 26th, 2003 7:48 AM

I get that...Maybe they don't allowed us to use One-Hit KO and Sleeping thingy...but I never use that move...I prefer crush them directly...

jynx September 26th, 2003 8:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sturm
I get that...Maybe they don't allowed us to use One-Hit KO and Sleeping thingy...but I never use that move...I prefer crush them directly...

You are right! All one move KO attacks are banned.
Trainers are not allowed to hypnotise more than2 Pokemon.
"Doku doku" is not permitted in RS. (Because of its serious poison damage)

Sturm September 26th, 2003 9:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jynx
You are right! All one move KO attacks are banned.
Trainers are not allowed to hypnotise more than2 Pokemon.
"Doku doku" is not permitted in RS. (Because of its serious poison damage)

That mean they love attack directly...maybe they will ban confuse and paralyse or any status problem too...I love crush them with strong blow..."Doku Doku" is now "Toxic" in US...

Kairi September 26th, 2003 9:29 AM

That league has too many strict rules, they remove some of the key elements in taking down standards. =/

jynx September 26th, 2003 9:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sturm
That mean they love attack directly...maybe they will ban confuse and paralyse or any status problem too...I love crush them with strong blow..."Doku Doku" is now "Toxic" in US...

No they won't.
They only ban attacks that makes it unfair to opponents.
Besides, we don't just attack.
Defense is a popular strategy in our Alliance.

Frostweaver September 26th, 2003 2:24 PM

let's see how...

*imagines Skarmory, Dusclops, Sableye, Curselax, Blissey and many other Pokemon being booted out of a Hong Kong skyscrapper*

well i don't see why these attacks are banned. The only thing that should be banned is the Fishtauros since it's the only pokemon that requires no thinking and no skill too. But how Fishtauros is no longer legal, no pokemon should be banned.

Counter to "Dokudoku" (toxic)
-rest (the most common counter)
-healbell/aromatherapy
-Immunity
-lum berry
-safeguard
-synchronize (eye for eye, tooth for tooth kind of thing)

Counter to sleep
-sleep talk
-Early Bird ability
-lum berry
-chesto berry
-safeguard

with all these legal counters for toxic, i don't see why it's cheap... it's a lot more "fair" than the evil curselax or blissey i say. Plus isn't rest such a common move than almost 50% of the time the opponent will have rest (or heal from poison?)

As for sleep it's a bit harder to counter than toxic. But how many sleep moves are there?
-spore (only from Parasect and Breloom, both grass)
-sleep powder( bugs and grass, sharing weakness to fire)
-lovely kiss (only jynx so far as there's no Pokecenter special pokemon with lovely kiss yet for RS)
-hypnosis (psychic, ghost mostly, both weak to shadowball, crunch and etc)

The only high accuracy sleep move is spore but both spore user is slow so you can get a first strike if you got the right Pokemon. Plus a good majority of hypnotizers are grass/bug types so fire attacks are effective (it's kind of good against jynx too). The other half of the hypnotizers will be weak to shadowball... so i don't see what's the threat. Poliwag family and a few others are the only exception, but they have better things to do than using hypnosis.


Just because a strategy is hard to deal with, that doesn't mean it should be banned from gameplay. A good player should try to come up with new strategies, and also think of ways to defeat common strategies as well. Avoiding the problem won't make you a better player. You have to try and figure out a solution in order to get better.

Kairi September 26th, 2003 2:42 PM

I think one-hit KOs should be freely used. They would be very useful sometimes for taking down tanks, and hey; if you linked two Gameboy Advances together, you can't "turn on sleep/one-hit KO clause".

Frostweaver September 26th, 2003 2:46 PM

i don't really mind one hit KO... but i don't like
-sleep talk
-rest
-fissure
-horn drill...

the fact that it can use a one hit KO move so often is rather freaky. Plus it's all luck based... if you used trap+accuracy100% or something then i won't mind at all. If you're just going to use a OHKO right on then i won't mind either. But the ability to either use a OHKO with 66% chance or completely healing is too scary...

Kairi September 27th, 2003 8:37 AM

I don't see why. Using Blissey/Skarmory/Kyogre all pretty much are just as daunting, this would be a great way to tackle them. Sure, I've been annoyed by fishTauros before, but still...

We see almost impossible Pokémon to take down, and with the addition of Sheer Cold it seems obvious they should be a part of the metagame. They are no more cheap than Hidden Power Jolteon or Zapdos with Rest, or Curselax. There are ways around them.

Smeargle will be fun...

Sheer Cold
Spore
Lock On
Mean Look

jynx September 27th, 2003 12:20 PM

We make it more professional and loyal to Tajiri Satoshi.

Toxic is banned in RuSa competition is because the damage system of it.
Other poison, comfuse, hypnotise, freeze, burnt can be frequently used in the competition. All tools can be used, except of fruit number 30 onwards.
Competitors are allowed to bring a note book and a pencil to calculate damages, probability and accuracy.
No calculators are permited.

That's why we are super in Maths!


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