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HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 20th, 2006 9:10 PM

The ultimate Chansey/Blissey!!!
 
I know that Chansey and Blissey are FR/LG Pokemon, but my ultimate Blissey who can actually attack is on my Emerald, where I taught it the ultimate moveset by the old ladies in the Battle Frontier. It knows:

Counter (low defense+high HP=x_x)
Softboiled (Counter+recovery=AAAAAAAAAUGH!!!)
Seismic Toss (Attack doesn't make any difference to damage)
Psychic (To kill of some Hariyama with Extrasensory and element punches)

It is brilliant! If you attack special attack, you do practically nothing to Blissey whilst it kills you off with Seismic Toss! If you use a physical attack and you don't get a one-hit kill, you die by Blissey's Counter. Softboiled just keeps it in the fight to cause more suffering. Psychic is just... there.

The point is, does anyone else have a good Chansey/Blissey strategy?

Squeegee Beckenheim May 21st, 2006 2:56 AM

I think this would be better suited for GB Strategies and Movesets, I think. If AB thinks it would be better here, he can pop it back to me.

MOVED

Mullet May 21st, 2006 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
I know that Chansey and Blissey are FR/LG Pokemon, but my ultimate Blissey who can actually attack is on my Emerald, where I taught it the ultimate moveset by the old ladies in the Battle Frontier. It knows:

Counter (low defense+high HP=x_x)
Softboiled (Counter+recovery=AAAAAAAAAUGH!!!)
Seismic Toss (Attack doesn't make any difference to damage)
Psychic (To kill of some Hariyama with Extrasensory and element punches)

It is brilliant! If you attack special attack, you do practically nothing to Blissey whilst it kills you off with Seismic Toss! If you use a physical attack and you don't get a one-hit kill, you die by Blissey's Counter. Softboiled just keeps it in the fight to cause more suffering. Psychic is just... there.

The point is, does anyone else have a good Chansey/Blissey strategy?

That is really bad. Bliss should only use one Special attack ever and that is Ice Beam. I will show you a proper Blissey:


Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Whore
Trait: Natural Cure
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Thunder Wave / Ice Beam

That is a good Blissey.

Ice demon May 21st, 2006 12:01 PM

counter bliss needs wish...too bad its totally predictable.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 21st, 2006 7:09 PM

Blissey should have Ice Beam?... I'm sorry, but, no. I'm never lucky enough to get someone frozen, so why bother Ice Beam? Why not Flamethrower or Thunderbolt? And it really doesn't need Wish, I mean, it would help, but I haven't had any problems so far with Softboiled. And Mullet, what is the point of Aromatherapy when it has Natural Cure if it isn't for Double Battles, and it isn't, and again, if you aren't lucky, what is the point of Ice Beam? And your sig hurts my feelings. And has horrible ASCII art. My Blissey has defense for offense, that's all. Sorry I posted it in the wrong board. And I know it is very predictable, and yet it still is not very easy to beat. One true weakness: something with Counter and Imprison.

Ice demon May 21st, 2006 7:51 PM

Dont be foolish.
Have u ever heard abt dugtrio and its oh so wonderful 'arena trap'?
That my friend, is why we use ice beam..

Aromatherapy heals the ENTIRE team...even in a 1vs1 battle making bliss a handy support pokemon.


Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
And it really doesn't need Wish, I mean, it would help, but I haven't had any problems so far with Softboiled

U wish, they attack, u counter, then u get healed.
Whats not to like? Far more efficient that softboiling after the counter.Not to mention u can pass the wish to a team mate.

I'm not surprised u'd make such a post..Ur fighting the ever so stupid AI after all.
I will commend u in saying that ur moveset is at least workable [sans psychic] which is more than most ingame movesets that come our way.

Chriz May 21st, 2006 8:01 PM

I'd say…

1) Wish
2) Counter
3) Ice Beam
4) Psychic

It does depend on battling style. it also depends on what you are fighting. Personally I wouldn't use Chansey or Blissey. There are better normal type pokemon.

GenX May 22nd, 2006 1:14 AM

Well, the normal moveset was posted by Mullet. I kinda use that Blissey too in NB. I use the T-Wave one. IB can be quite useful if you ask me. Not to mention those Salamence coming out. Rather than letting in one DD, my as well just zap it with IB. Don't forget, it may result in OHKO.

Synchronize May 22nd, 2006 6:10 AM

Key point is, Blissey does not use PSychic, as any Fighting types will OHKO and will NOT be OHKOd by Blissey's Psychic anyway. Psychic is really only useful with STAB.

Also note that Counterbliss is the not the ultimate blissey, as there are some attacks that will KO right of the bat, and then there's the fact that counter takes up a space that Blissey would usually need to be an effective Special Wall, in this case Aromatherapy.

Not to say that Counterblissey is bad, however.

Lord Mike May 22nd, 2006 1:19 PM

The set isn't that bad. I'm just feeling a bit nervous about Ice Beam.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 22nd, 2006 1:45 PM

I never said counterblissey was the ultimate Blissey. And I see the point now of Wish. And the "ever so stupid AI" aren't as stupid once you're halfway to the Gold Symbol in the Battle Frontier. Maybe I should replace Psychic with Reflect to ensure that Fighting types don't OHKO. Then I can Counter them! And maybe I should train a Shuckle. With Toxic. Endurance Pokemon are the best for the Battle Pyramid.

Ice demon May 22nd, 2006 2:04 PM

How abt switching when u see a fighting type?
It tends to work.
I myself wont bother with reflect on blissey..She's not going to live much longer anyway and thunderwave/ice beam ends up being more useful in the long run.



HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 23rd, 2006 2:48 PM

Good point, Ice Demon, and Brick Break would destroy reflect anyway. I sometimes gamble against fighting types with Blissey. Either Blissey dies by its low defense, or they die by Counter. Or neither if it is the always at least somewhat stupid AI and the use an element punch. I never said they were ever brilliant, did I? (Hates AI Rhydon for killing Latias with Megahorn, thereby ending winning streak. Rhydon's stupider than the AI. Killing all Rhydons.)

Mullet May 23rd, 2006 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Blissey should have Ice Beam?... I'm sorry, but, no. I'm never lucky enough to get someone frozen, so why bother Ice Beam? Why not Flamethrower or Thunderbolt? And it really doesn't need Wish, I mean, it would help, but I haven't had any problems so far with Softboiled. And Mullet, what is the point of Aromatherapy when it has Natural Cure if it isn't for Double Battles, and it isn't, and again, if you aren't lucky, what is the point of Ice Beam? And your sig hurts my feelings. And has horrible ASCII art. My Blissey has defense for offense, that's all. Sorry I posted it in the wrong board. And I know it is very predictable, and yet it still is not very easy to beat. One true weakness: something with Counter and Imprison.

My sig is cool. It's just a joke anyway dude. That was way offtopic anyway.

Honestly with the set you posted you shouldn't question me. I know what I'm talking about.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 23rd, 2006 3:25 PM

Okay... sorry. Actually, I laughed at your sig. And then it hurt my feelings. But, really, since even Blissey's Sp. Attack isn't that good, we should all just lose all ordinary attack moves. Otherwise, Blissey will just have sucky space-filler moves.

Mullet May 23rd, 2006 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Okay... sorry. Actually, I laughed at your sig. And then it hurt my feelings. But, really, since even Blissey's Sp. Attack isn't that good, we should all just lose all ordinary attack moves. Otherwise, Blissey will just have sucky space-filler moves.

Why would anyone use Physical attack moves on a Blissey? Her attack is horrible.

Ice demon May 23rd, 2006 4:16 PM

Initially, IB was used to specifically counter Mcgar, which was designed to rape skarmbliss.... Consequently, it helps against sala and dugtrio..Something neither psychic [ur not going to OHKO any fighter with it],thunderbolt [sesmic toss is more useful] nor flamethrower [once again, sesmic toss is more useful and its not like ur going to survive metagross anyway] can claim.
Thats why we use IB on bliss and IB alone.

Chriz May 24th, 2006 6:04 PM

I guess I just like colorless pokemon with high special attack. Normally I would never use counter on a colorless pokemon too. I also personally like Emerald, Fire Red, Leaf Green because on it you can teach pokemon moves they can't learn in Sapphire and Ruby. One also needs to battle their friends to find really good movesets because the AI suck.

Lord Mike May 25th, 2006 5:07 AM

Ice beam works out with Blissey, but she is mainly meant to be a Cleric and nothing more. Blissey isn't the kind of Pokemon you'd expect to take down Machamp.

Pax Deorum May 25th, 2006 5:22 AM

This thread lacks good grammar/spelling.

Lord Mike May 25th, 2006 5:42 AM

Ok, I don't know how that relates to the topic at hand.

Anyway, Blissey isn't good attacker period unless you have Seismic Toss, and then it doesn't matter.

Pax Deorum May 25th, 2006 7:14 AM

´CM Blissey is good ingame if you have nothing better to do

Fr0st May 25th, 2006 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMama
Ice beam works out with Blissey, but she is mainly meant to be a Cleric and nothing more.

That was a very dumb thing to say... Blissey is the best and mostly used Special wall in the game... If you did not know that u shouldnt have posted anything. Ever heard of SkarmBliss?

Lord Mike May 25th, 2006 1:42 PM

I don't care Ice Blade. Your comments aren't helping.

Morkula May 25th, 2006 3:44 PM

Okay, YoMama, I've just about had it. You're getting an official warning for flaming.

Lord Mike May 25th, 2006 4:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morkula
Okay, YoMama, I've just about had it. You're getting an official warning for flaming.

What? How come? I was just being sarcastic.

Mullet May 25th, 2006 5:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ice_blade
That was a very dumb thing to say... Blissey is the best and mostly used Special wall in the game... If you did not know that u shouldnt have posted anything. Ever heard of SkarmBliss?


I use Bliss for both.

Though I am suprised he even knows what a cleric is to be honest.

Lord Mike May 26th, 2006 4:30 AM

I'm actually smart. Maybe not in this field, but I am smart in general. If you don't think I am, think whatever you want.

Pax Deorum May 26th, 2006 7:32 AM

A really intelligent person doesn't really consider himself that because he understands how vast reality can be and how minimum his knowledge is compared to what there is to know.

Hicky May 26th, 2006 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice demon
Dont be foolish.
Have u ever heard abt dugtrio and its oh so wonderful 'arena trap'?
That my friend, is why we use ice beam..

Erm, and did you know that this is oh so ingame, and people aren't going to execute these strategies ingame?

Mullet posted the standard. The standard, invented with no creativity, is not all you can use. It's just what most people use. Because they do not wish to be creative. Well done for developing an effective Counter Blissey, and Psychic works to an extent.

Ice demon May 26th, 2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hicky
Erm, and did you know that this is oh so ingame, and people aren't going to execute these strategies ingame?

Mullet posted the standard. The standard, invented with no creativity, is not all you can use. It's just what most people use. Because they do not wish to be creative. Well done for developing an effective Counter Blissey, and Psychic works to an extent.

.....Did u even bother to read his reply to Mullets moveset?
Evidently...Not.

an effective counterblissey has wish btw....

and if this is solely based for ingame, then he should just use calm mind blissey...way more fun than sesmic tossing everything and dealing minimal damage with psychic.

Lord Mike May 26th, 2006 11:39 AM

Generally, there are many ways to use Blissey. Someone might be better at some strategies than other people, and vice versa.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 26th, 2006 12:32 PM

What's a SkarmBliss? Something to do with Skarmory, right? And I think I'll erase Psychic for Wish. Then I'll have one urgent recovery and one not so quick.

Fr0st May 26th, 2006 12:44 PM

Skarmory can take mostly all physical hits and Blissey can take mostly all special hits. SkarmBliss makes the standard Sweeper (of one kind, meaning no mix sweepers) useless

shanecdavis May 26th, 2006 12:54 PM

SkarmBliss is Skarmory as a physical wall and Blissey as the special wall.

As for original in-game Blissey, this is what I have used. It is different, but a lot of fun:

"EleBliss" @ Leftovers
Serene Grace
EVS: 252 Def, 252 SAtk, 6 HP
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt
- Water Pulse

Serene Grace makes effect percentages double, so WP will confuse 40%, IB 20%, and TB 20%. With its base 75 SAtk, along with EVs and Modest Nature, it makes Blissey more offensive. Only in-game though, since the bad AI rarely switches.

Mullet May 26th, 2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMama
I'm actually smart. Maybe not in this field, but I am smart in general. If you don't think I am, think whatever you want.

Then why do you post here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hicky
Erm, and did you know that this is oh so ingame, and people aren't going to execute these strategies ingame?

Mullet posted the standard. The standard, invented with no creativity, is not all you can use. It's just what most people use. Because they do not wish to be creative. Well done for developing an effective Counter Blissey, and Psychic works to an extent.

The standard is the most most effective whether it is creative or not. Also that WAS NOT and effective CounterBliss. Also Psychic is really only good with STAB.

Pax Deorum May 26th, 2006 1:04 PM

Skarmbliss is an old strategy claused by 80% of people on Netbattle. It isn't as common now seeing anything Physical carried Fire Blast. Blissey isn't used as much. People use Lax as their Special Sponge and Celebi as their cleric.

Lord Mike May 26th, 2006 5:39 PM

It mainly depends. A standard set for a Breloom, which is Focus Punch, Spore, Leech Seed, and Hidden Power [Ghost], might not be best for in-game. It depends if you're talking about NetBattle, Battle tower, link battle, or in-game.

Fr0st May 26th, 2006 7:45 PM

That is not a standard set for Breloom...

Breloom is Spore, Substitute, Leech seed, and Focus Punch

or

Breloom is Spore, Focus Punch, Mach Punch/Brick break/Sky Uppercut, and Hidden power [Ghost] iirc

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 3:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ice_blade
That is not a standard set for Breloom...

Breloom is Spore, Substitute, Leech seed, and Focus Punch

or

Breloom is Spore, Focus Punch, Mach Punch/Brick break/Sky Uppercut, and Hidden power [Ghost] iirc

This is getting a bit off topic, but why use Substitute when you have Spore? Its pointless. You're just wasting HP.

Anyway, shanecdavis's in-game Blissey is a good example. There are many ways to approach Blissey.

Fr0st May 27th, 2006 11:50 AM

Well, heres how it works. You come in on something u can outspeed and use substitute because most trainers will switch to there S.talker or their status absorber when Breloom shows his face. Then your opponent is in a huge problem cause he is facing a breloom with a substitute up. It can take some severe damage or it can be put to sleep. It's an amazing combo. Now no more questions about this as we have gone extremely off-topic

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 2:14 PM

You people have a lot of strategies. Whatever floats there you guys' boats.

Mullet May 27th, 2006 3:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMama
This is getting a bit off topic, but why use Substitute when you have Spore? Its pointless. You're just wasting HP.

Subseed and Subpunch. Breloom is really under rated it packs quite a punch.

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullet
Subseed and Subpunch. Breloom is really under rated it packs quite a punch.

I was just simply trying to suggest something, but I couldn't think about anything else at the moment. I wasn't expecting this to turn into a discussion about Breloom. This is going way offtopic so lets get ontopic.

Blissey is a good special wall and Cleric. It doesn't stand physical attacks that well, and that's what Substitute is good for. Aromathreapy heals the party making Blissey a great Cleric. Then again if you don't want Substitute you can have a SkarmBliss. A trainer using Blissey should make some wise decisions though. I don't know if CounterBliss will be successful, but you never know. You guys probably know more about Blissey considering that I really only make UU teams.

Rubberbandman May 27th, 2006 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMama
I was just simply trying to suggest something, but I couldn't think about anything else at the moment. I wasn't expecting this to turn into a discussion about Breloom. This is going way offtopic so lets get ontopic.

Blissey is a good special wall and Cleric. It doesn't stand physical attacks that well, and that's what Substitute is good for. Aromathreapy heals the party making Blissey a great Cleric. Then again if you don't want Substitute you can have a SkarmBliss. A trainer using Blissey should make some wise decisions though. I don't know if CounterBliss will be successful, but you never know. You guys probably know more about Blissey considering that I really only make UU teams.

No one I know uses substitute on Bliss, not even noobs.:\
Substitute wont really help Bliss, its just wasting a slot for the whore imo.

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubberbandman
No one I know uses substitute on Bliss, not even noobs.:\
Substitute wont really help Bliss, its just wasting a slot for the whore imo.

I never said you have to use Substitute. Besides, just because your friends don't use it doesn't mean other people don't.

Fr0st May 27th, 2006 4:20 PM

People dont use substitute on Bliss... Mainly because its lack of baton pass and that almost all physical hits would break its subs

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ice_blade
People dont use substitute on Bliss... Mainly because its lack of baton pass and that almost all physical hits would break its subs

I never said you had to. I was simply stating what Blissey can be used for. If you do think Substitute isn't good on Blissey, then fine.

Mullet May 27th, 2006 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMama
I never said you had to. I was simply stating what Blissey can be used for. If you do think Substitute isn't good on Blissey, then fine.

That is just the thing we don't think we know that Sub is not a good move on Bliss it won't really protect it. An example of that would be this:

Trainer sends out CB Machamp.
Bliss used Sub.
Machamp Breaks sub with Cross Chop.
Bliss uses some move.
Machamp used Cross Chop
Bliss fainted.

Good game Blissey. Bliss won't T-wave Machamp because without S-Toss it has no reason to Sub, without Aroma it can't be the cleric you want it to be and Softboiled is common sense.

Lord Mike May 28th, 2006 6:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mullet
That is just the thing we don't think we know that Sub is not a good move on Bliss it won't really protect it. An example of that would be this:

Bliss used Sub.
Trainer sends out CB Machamp.
Machamp Breaks sub with Cross Chop
Bliss uses some move.
Machamp used Cross Chop
Bliss fainted.

Good game Blissey. Bliss won't T-wave Machamp because without S-Toss it has no reason to Sub, without Aroma it can't be the cleric you want it to be and Softboiled is common sense.

Ok. I guess you're right. I'm just not good with Blissey. You guys obviously have more experience with it, so never mind my advice.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 28th, 2006 6:34 PM

I'm not that good with Blissey either, really. I prefer power Pokemon. I was just trying something new for a change, and decided to share it. And I got an idea: Counterbliss + Focus Band. If Focus Band works, then it is a pretty much guaranteed OHKO. Note: I bought this strategy in the Mauville Game Corner. (stupid pun that basically means that you better have good luck if you want to trust this one.)

Mullet May 28th, 2006 7:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
I'm not that good with Blissey either, really. I prefer power Pokemon. I was just trying something new for a change, and decided to share it. And I got an idea: Counterbliss + Focus Band. If Focus Band works, then it is a pretty much guaranteed OHKO. Note: I bought this strategy in the Mauville Game Corner. (stupid pun that basically means that you better have good luck if you want to trust this one.)


Focus Band is a bad hax item that is generally looked down upon because it all comes down to lukc and skill should be used to win battles. Plus Leftovers is the ONLY item that Bliss should use.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 28th, 2006 8:26 PM

Okay. You know, I didn't expect that this many people would come to debate over Blissey movesets.

Mullet May 28th, 2006 9:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Okay. You know, I didn't expect that this many people would come to debate over Blissey movesets.

Most of it was telling people why the stuff they posted won't work. Just go with the one I posted on the first page.

Lord Mike May 29th, 2006 6:44 AM

Yeah, that was a pretty good set Mullet.

The EVs would probably be in Defense and Special Defense, but that's my opinion.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 29th, 2006 3:28 PM

I wouldn't bother getting Defense EV's for Blissey, its Defense sucks beyond repair, EV's or no EV's. By the way, how exactly do you get EV's? Different Pokemon give different EV's, right? Like, Mightyena gives attack, Clamperl gives defense... I'm gonna have to retrain... Houndoom for Sp. Attack and Metagross for Attack. Blissey is pretty much unfixable/unimprovable, EV's or not.

Ice demon May 29th, 2006 3:35 PM

Defense EVs have been blissey's Godsend. It makes her FAR more durable.... I don't have NB with me at the moment so i cant give u stat comparisons or damage calculations..I'll leave that up to Mullet...




Fr0st May 29th, 2006 5:18 PM

Ok ill take care of that seeing that Mullet isnt here atm. So it depends on what poke but ill use Adamant CBDuggy as my example as it traps Blissey alot and just lols. So here we go

Blissey with zero defence EVs and Neutral nature is takes...
100% damage from Adamant CBduggys Earthquake (i hope i did this right)

Blissey with Max Defence takes...
49%-58% from the same Duggys Earthquake.

With leftover recovery that Blissey can take 3 hits and can therefore kill Duggy if it Stoss's on the switch. Quite a difference if u ask me... (Again sorry if i did that rong)

Mullet May 29th, 2006 5:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ice_blade
Ok ill take care of that seeing that Mullet isnt here atm. So it depends on what poke but ill use Adamant CBDuggy as my example as it traps Blissey alot and just lols. So here we go

Blissey with zero defence EVs and Neutral nature is takes...
100% damage from Adamant CBduggys Earthquake (i hope i did this right)

Blissey with Max Defence takes...
49%-58% from the same Duggys Earthquake.

With leftover recovery that Blissey can take 3 hits and can therefore kill Duggy if it Stoss's on the switch. Quite a difference if u ask me... (Again sorry if i did that rong)

It seems right and Duggy will get OHKO'd by Ice Beam if you spread Bliss's EVs correctly.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 29th, 2006 8:42 PM

Ya lost me there. By duggy do you mean Dugtrio? Because it seems to be coming up a lot.

SpaMMeR(SwC) May 30th, 2006 1:48 AM

Ice beam is usless on a Blissey for the fact of low A and/or SA.
The down side is the low DEF,but with high HP it evens out,If you could boast DEF to get atless "Av" then you would end up with a Blissey(T)-without Aroma- or with Aroma-Blissey(C),but this is only my way,just ideas.

Lord Mike May 30th, 2006 7:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaMMeR(SwC)
Ice beam is usless on a Blissey for the fact of low A and/or SA.
The down side is the low DEF,but with high HP it evens out,If you could boast DEF to get atless "Av" then you would end up with a Blissey(T)-without Aroma- or with Aroma-Blissey(C),but this is only my way,just ideas.

Just to let you know, Blissey has low Defense, and it can be KO'd by one Hi Jump Kick from Hitmonlee or Medicham. Ice Beam, like Ice Demon said, is used because of Arena Trap. Its Attack is worse and its Special attack is a tad below average.

aragornbird May 30th, 2006 8:03 AM

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Well, I’m back now. =D
It seems like this thread is pretty heated up (and full of off-topic posts too =\)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Okay. You know, I didn't expect that this many people would come to debate over Blissey movesets.


Because Blissey has been one of the most overused Pokemon of all time, at least on Netbattle. People have been having major debates over the movesets of popular Pokemon like Blissey, or Snorlax, or Tyranitar etc. for quite a while.

The inclusion of Ice Beam on Bliss is just another example of a shift in the metagame. It used be that Bliss’s only attack was Seismic Toss, but then McGar (a Gengar with Focus Punch and Substitute) came along to ruin her fun. So Ice Beam was added to break McGar’s Subs and prevent it from Focus Punching. Now you can say that Psychic would be even more effective against it, but Ice Beam is a bit stronger and is supereffective against far more types. Ice Beam is also handy for Dragon types like Salamence and Dragonite. Blissey wouldn’t be an ideal counter against them, but it’s good if you have nothing else.

Of course, you’re welcome to use Psychic or other special attacks. I can even see cases where Psychic would be useful, like for surprising Weezing or catching a Fighting-type on the switch-in. But standard sets are standard sets and are used because they are more effective in the long run.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Ya lost me there. By duggy do you mean Dugtrio? Because it seems to be coming up a lot.


Yes, Duggy is the nickname for Dugtrio. Dugtrio is the ultimate counter of all Blisseys without Counter or Ice beam.

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Lord Mike May 30th, 2006 8:12 AM

Psychic can be used without a STAB. People like Thunderbolt so much. Like Psychic, Thunderbolt only good against 2 types, which are Water and Flying. People say that Psychic isn't good against enough types, while the only way Thunderbolt is better is that its base power is 5 more.

Synchronize May 30th, 2006 9:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoMama
Psychic can be used without a STAB. People like Thunderbolt so much. Like Psychic, Thunderbolt only good against 2 types, which are Water and Flying. People say that Psychic isn't good against enough types, while the only way Thunderbolt is better is that its base power is 5 more.


Thunderbolt is prefered over Psychic because when considering both without STAB, Thunderbolt has a greater base power. And yes, that 5 more base power DOES count. I mean, look at a STABed Salamence HP Flying compared to its Earthquake. Thunderbolt also completes that lovely boltbeam combo, and since Water and Flyimg types are so common in the Metagame, it makes it a great move.

Then there's Psychic, of which when used with STAB, Fighting types are unlikely to stay in (save Heracross and Medicham in some cases). Add that to the fact that there's almost always a person in your Party that can earthquake better than BLissey or someone can use an UnSTABed Psychic, and Thunderbolt is ultimately the better choice for an unSTABed special attack.

And to make sure I've clarified my point, look at the super effective capabilities:

Psychic - Poison/Fighting
Thunderbolt - Water/Flying

Once again, i say that water and flying types are THE most comon types in the game, where as Poison and Fighting types aren't to be as feared as much. A team should be balanced enough so that switching will complete a defensive capability to handle either of the two types anyway.


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