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Lord Mike May 25th, 2006 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Morkula
Okay, YoMama, I've just about had it. You're getting an official warning for flaming.

What? How come? I was just being sarcastic.

Mullet May 25th, 2006 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ice_blade
That was a very dumb thing to say... Blissey is the best and mostly used Special wall in the game... If you did not know that u shouldnt have posted anything. Ever heard of SkarmBliss?


I use Bliss for both.

Though I am suprised he even knows what a cleric is to be honest.

Lord Mike May 26th, 2006 4:30 AM

I'm actually smart. Maybe not in this field, but I am smart in general. If you don't think I am, think whatever you want.

Pax Deorum May 26th, 2006 7:32 AM

A really intelligent person doesn't really consider himself that because he understands how vast reality can be and how minimum his knowledge is compared to what there is to know.

Hicky May 26th, 2006 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ice demon
Dont be foolish.
Have u ever heard abt dugtrio and its oh so wonderful 'arena trap'?
That my friend, is why we use ice beam..

Erm, and did you know that this is oh so ingame, and people aren't going to execute these strategies ingame?

Mullet posted the standard. The standard, invented with no creativity, is not all you can use. It's just what most people use. Because they do not wish to be creative. Well done for developing an effective Counter Blissey, and Psychic works to an extent.

Ice demon May 26th, 2006 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hicky
Erm, and did you know that this is oh so ingame, and people aren't going to execute these strategies ingame?

Mullet posted the standard. The standard, invented with no creativity, is not all you can use. It's just what most people use. Because they do not wish to be creative. Well done for developing an effective Counter Blissey, and Psychic works to an extent.

.....Did u even bother to read his reply to Mullets moveset?
Evidently...Not.

an effective counterblissey has wish btw....

and if this is solely based for ingame, then he should just use calm mind blissey...way more fun than sesmic tossing everything and dealing minimal damage with psychic.

Lord Mike May 26th, 2006 11:39 AM

Generally, there are many ways to use Blissey. Someone might be better at some strategies than other people, and vice versa.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 26th, 2006 12:32 PM

What's a SkarmBliss? Something to do with Skarmory, right? And I think I'll erase Psychic for Wish. Then I'll have one urgent recovery and one not so quick.

Fr0st May 26th, 2006 12:44 PM

Skarmory can take mostly all physical hits and Blissey can take mostly all special hits. SkarmBliss makes the standard Sweeper (of one kind, meaning no mix sweepers) useless

shanecdavis May 26th, 2006 12:54 PM

SkarmBliss is Skarmory as a physical wall and Blissey as the special wall.

As for original in-game Blissey, this is what I have used. It is different, but a lot of fun:

"EleBliss" @ Leftovers
Serene Grace
EVS: 252 Def, 252 SAtk, 6 HP
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt
- Water Pulse

Serene Grace makes effect percentages double, so WP will confuse 40%, IB 20%, and TB 20%. With its base 75 SAtk, along with EVs and Modest Nature, it makes Blissey more offensive. Only in-game though, since the bad AI rarely switches.

Mullet May 26th, 2006 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by YoMama
I'm actually smart. Maybe not in this field, but I am smart in general. If you don't think I am, think whatever you want.

Then why do you post here?

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Originally Posted by Hicky
Erm, and did you know that this is oh so ingame, and people aren't going to execute these strategies ingame?

Mullet posted the standard. The standard, invented with no creativity, is not all you can use. It's just what most people use. Because they do not wish to be creative. Well done for developing an effective Counter Blissey, and Psychic works to an extent.

The standard is the most most effective whether it is creative or not. Also that WAS NOT and effective CounterBliss. Also Psychic is really only good with STAB.

Pax Deorum May 26th, 2006 1:04 PM

Skarmbliss is an old strategy claused by 80% of people on Netbattle. It isn't as common now seeing anything Physical carried Fire Blast. Blissey isn't used as much. People use Lax as their Special Sponge and Celebi as their cleric.

Lord Mike May 26th, 2006 5:39 PM

It mainly depends. A standard set for a Breloom, which is Focus Punch, Spore, Leech Seed, and Hidden Power [Ghost], might not be best for in-game. It depends if you're talking about NetBattle, Battle tower, link battle, or in-game.

Fr0st May 26th, 2006 7:45 PM

That is not a standard set for Breloom...

Breloom is Spore, Substitute, Leech seed, and Focus Punch

or

Breloom is Spore, Focus Punch, Mach Punch/Brick break/Sky Uppercut, and Hidden power [Ghost] iirc

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 3:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ice_blade
That is not a standard set for Breloom...

Breloom is Spore, Substitute, Leech seed, and Focus Punch

or

Breloom is Spore, Focus Punch, Mach Punch/Brick break/Sky Uppercut, and Hidden power [Ghost] iirc

This is getting a bit off topic, but why use Substitute when you have Spore? Its pointless. You're just wasting HP.

Anyway, shanecdavis's in-game Blissey is a good example. There are many ways to approach Blissey.

Fr0st May 27th, 2006 11:50 AM

Well, heres how it works. You come in on something u can outspeed and use substitute because most trainers will switch to there S.talker or their status absorber when Breloom shows his face. Then your opponent is in a huge problem cause he is facing a breloom with a substitute up. It can take some severe damage or it can be put to sleep. It's an amazing combo. Now no more questions about this as we have gone extremely off-topic

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 2:14 PM

You people have a lot of strategies. Whatever floats there you guys' boats.

Mullet May 27th, 2006 3:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YoMama
This is getting a bit off topic, but why use Substitute when you have Spore? Its pointless. You're just wasting HP.

Subseed and Subpunch. Breloom is really under rated it packs quite a punch.

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mullet
Subseed and Subpunch. Breloom is really under rated it packs quite a punch.

I was just simply trying to suggest something, but I couldn't think about anything else at the moment. I wasn't expecting this to turn into a discussion about Breloom. This is going way offtopic so lets get ontopic.

Blissey is a good special wall and Cleric. It doesn't stand physical attacks that well, and that's what Substitute is good for. Aromathreapy heals the party making Blissey a great Cleric. Then again if you don't want Substitute you can have a SkarmBliss. A trainer using Blissey should make some wise decisions though. I don't know if CounterBliss will be successful, but you never know. You guys probably know more about Blissey considering that I really only make UU teams.

Rubberbandman May 27th, 2006 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YoMama
I was just simply trying to suggest something, but I couldn't think about anything else at the moment. I wasn't expecting this to turn into a discussion about Breloom. This is going way offtopic so lets get ontopic.

Blissey is a good special wall and Cleric. It doesn't stand physical attacks that well, and that's what Substitute is good for. Aromathreapy heals the party making Blissey a great Cleric. Then again if you don't want Substitute you can have a SkarmBliss. A trainer using Blissey should make some wise decisions though. I don't know if CounterBliss will be successful, but you never know. You guys probably know more about Blissey considering that I really only make UU teams.

No one I know uses substitute on Bliss, not even noobs.:\
Substitute wont really help Bliss, its just wasting a slot for the whore imo.

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubberbandman
No one I know uses substitute on Bliss, not even noobs.:\
Substitute wont really help Bliss, its just wasting a slot for the whore imo.

I never said you have to use Substitute. Besides, just because your friends don't use it doesn't mean other people don't.

Fr0st May 27th, 2006 4:20 PM

People dont use substitute on Bliss... Mainly because its lack of baton pass and that almost all physical hits would break its subs

Lord Mike May 27th, 2006 4:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ice_blade
People dont use substitute on Bliss... Mainly because its lack of baton pass and that almost all physical hits would break its subs

I never said you had to. I was simply stating what Blissey can be used for. If you do think Substitute isn't good on Blissey, then fine.

Mullet May 27th, 2006 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YoMama
I never said you had to. I was simply stating what Blissey can be used for. If you do think Substitute isn't good on Blissey, then fine.

That is just the thing we don't think we know that Sub is not a good move on Bliss it won't really protect it. An example of that would be this:

Trainer sends out CB Machamp.
Bliss used Sub.
Machamp Breaks sub with Cross Chop.
Bliss uses some move.
Machamp used Cross Chop
Bliss fainted.

Good game Blissey. Bliss won't T-wave Machamp because without S-Toss it has no reason to Sub, without Aroma it can't be the cleric you want it to be and Softboiled is common sense.

Lord Mike May 28th, 2006 6:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mullet
That is just the thing we don't think we know that Sub is not a good move on Bliss it won't really protect it. An example of that would be this:

Bliss used Sub.
Trainer sends out CB Machamp.
Machamp Breaks sub with Cross Chop
Bliss uses some move.
Machamp used Cross Chop
Bliss fainted.

Good game Blissey. Bliss won't T-wave Machamp because without S-Toss it has no reason to Sub, without Aroma it can't be the cleric you want it to be and Softboiled is common sense.

Ok. I guess you're right. I'm just not good with Blissey. You guys obviously have more experience with it, so never mind my advice.


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