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HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 28th, 2006 6:34 PM

I'm not that good with Blissey either, really. I prefer power Pokemon. I was just trying something new for a change, and decided to share it. And I got an idea: Counterbliss + Focus Band. If Focus Band works, then it is a pretty much guaranteed OHKO. Note: I bought this strategy in the Mauville Game Corner. (stupid pun that basically means that you better have good luck if you want to trust this one.)

Mullet May 28th, 2006 7:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
I'm not that good with Blissey either, really. I prefer power Pokemon. I was just trying something new for a change, and decided to share it. And I got an idea: Counterbliss + Focus Band. If Focus Band works, then it is a pretty much guaranteed OHKO. Note: I bought this strategy in the Mauville Game Corner. (stupid pun that basically means that you better have good luck if you want to trust this one.)


Focus Band is a bad hax item that is generally looked down upon because it all comes down to lukc and skill should be used to win battles. Plus Leftovers is the ONLY item that Bliss should use.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 28th, 2006 8:26 PM

Okay. You know, I didn't expect that this many people would come to debate over Blissey movesets.

Mullet May 28th, 2006 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Okay. You know, I didn't expect that this many people would come to debate over Blissey movesets.

Most of it was telling people why the stuff they posted won't work. Just go with the one I posted on the first page.

Lord Mike May 29th, 2006 6:44 AM

Yeah, that was a pretty good set Mullet.

The EVs would probably be in Defense and Special Defense, but that's my opinion.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 29th, 2006 3:28 PM

I wouldn't bother getting Defense EV's for Blissey, its Defense sucks beyond repair, EV's or no EV's. By the way, how exactly do you get EV's? Different Pokemon give different EV's, right? Like, Mightyena gives attack, Clamperl gives defense... I'm gonna have to retrain... Houndoom for Sp. Attack and Metagross for Attack. Blissey is pretty much unfixable/unimprovable, EV's or not.

Ice demon May 29th, 2006 3:35 PM

Defense EVs have been blissey's Godsend. It makes her FAR more durable.... I don't have NB with me at the moment so i cant give u stat comparisons or damage calculations..I'll leave that up to Mullet...




Fr0st May 29th, 2006 5:18 PM

Ok ill take care of that seeing that Mullet isnt here atm. So it depends on what poke but ill use Adamant CBDuggy as my example as it traps Blissey alot and just lols. So here we go

Blissey with zero defence EVs and Neutral nature is takes...
100% damage from Adamant CBduggys Earthquake (i hope i did this right)

Blissey with Max Defence takes...
49%-58% from the same Duggys Earthquake.

With leftover recovery that Blissey can take 3 hits and can therefore kill Duggy if it Stoss's on the switch. Quite a difference if u ask me... (Again sorry if i did that rong)

Mullet May 29th, 2006 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ice_blade
Ok ill take care of that seeing that Mullet isnt here atm. So it depends on what poke but ill use Adamant CBDuggy as my example as it traps Blissey alot and just lols. So here we go

Blissey with zero defence EVs and Neutral nature is takes...
100% damage from Adamant CBduggys Earthquake (i hope i did this right)

Blissey with Max Defence takes...
49%-58% from the same Duggys Earthquake.

With leftover recovery that Blissey can take 3 hits and can therefore kill Duggy if it Stoss's on the switch. Quite a difference if u ask me... (Again sorry if i did that rong)

It seems right and Duggy will get OHKO'd by Ice Beam if you spread Bliss's EVs correctly.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness May 29th, 2006 8:42 PM

Ya lost me there. By duggy do you mean Dugtrio? Because it seems to be coming up a lot.

SpaMMeR(SwC) May 30th, 2006 1:48 AM

Ice beam is usless on a Blissey for the fact of low A and/or SA.
The down side is the low DEF,but with high HP it evens out,If you could boast DEF to get atless "Av" then you would end up with a Blissey(T)-without Aroma- or with Aroma-Blissey(C),but this is only my way,just ideas.

Lord Mike May 30th, 2006 7:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaMMeR(SwC)
Ice beam is usless on a Blissey for the fact of low A and/or SA.
The down side is the low DEF,but with high HP it evens out,If you could boast DEF to get atless "Av" then you would end up with a Blissey(T)-without Aroma- or with Aroma-Blissey(C),but this is only my way,just ideas.

Just to let you know, Blissey has low Defense, and it can be KO'd by one Hi Jump Kick from Hitmonlee or Medicham. Ice Beam, like Ice Demon said, is used because of Arena Trap. Its Attack is worse and its Special attack is a tad below average.

aragornbird May 30th, 2006 8:03 AM

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Well, I’m back now. =D
It seems like this thread is pretty heated up (and full of off-topic posts too =\)

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Okay. You know, I didn't expect that this many people would come to debate over Blissey movesets.


Because Blissey has been one of the most overused Pokemon of all time, at least on Netbattle. People have been having major debates over the movesets of popular Pokemon like Blissey, or Snorlax, or Tyranitar etc. for quite a while.

The inclusion of Ice Beam on Bliss is just another example of a shift in the metagame. It used be that Bliss’s only attack was Seismic Toss, but then McGar (a Gengar with Focus Punch and Substitute) came along to ruin her fun. So Ice Beam was added to break McGar’s Subs and prevent it from Focus Punching. Now you can say that Psychic would be even more effective against it, but Ice Beam is a bit stronger and is supereffective against far more types. Ice Beam is also handy for Dragon types like Salamence and Dragonite. Blissey wouldn’t be an ideal counter against them, but it’s good if you have nothing else.

Of course, you’re welcome to use Psychic or other special attacks. I can even see cases where Psychic would be useful, like for surprising Weezing or catching a Fighting-type on the switch-in. But standard sets are standard sets and are used because they are more effective in the long run.

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness
Ya lost me there. By duggy do you mean Dugtrio? Because it seems to be coming up a lot.


Yes, Duggy is the nickname for Dugtrio. Dugtrio is the ultimate counter of all Blisseys without Counter or Ice beam.

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Lord Mike May 30th, 2006 8:12 AM

Psychic can be used without a STAB. People like Thunderbolt so much. Like Psychic, Thunderbolt only good against 2 types, which are Water and Flying. People say that Psychic isn't good against enough types, while the only way Thunderbolt is better is that its base power is 5 more.

Synchronize May 30th, 2006 9:43 AM

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Originally Posted by YoMama
Psychic can be used without a STAB. People like Thunderbolt so much. Like Psychic, Thunderbolt only good against 2 types, which are Water and Flying. People say that Psychic isn't good against enough types, while the only way Thunderbolt is better is that its base power is 5 more.


Thunderbolt is prefered over Psychic because when considering both without STAB, Thunderbolt has a greater base power. And yes, that 5 more base power DOES count. I mean, look at a STABed Salamence HP Flying compared to its Earthquake. Thunderbolt also completes that lovely boltbeam combo, and since Water and Flyimg types are so common in the Metagame, it makes it a great move.

Then there's Psychic, of which when used with STAB, Fighting types are unlikely to stay in (save Heracross and Medicham in some cases). Add that to the fact that there's almost always a person in your Party that can earthquake better than BLissey or someone can use an UnSTABed Psychic, and Thunderbolt is ultimately the better choice for an unSTABed special attack.

And to make sure I've clarified my point, look at the super effective capabilities:

Psychic - Poison/Fighting
Thunderbolt - Water/Flying

Once again, i say that water and flying types are THE most comon types in the game, where as Poison and Fighting types aren't to be as feared as much. A team should be balanced enough so that switching will complete a defensive capability to handle either of the two types anyway.


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