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enyce June 11th, 2006 8:29 PM

My one complaint is the weak trainers
 
My god game freak you had to do it again. After GSC, you havent learned. Who wants to fight level 11-14 trainers after we recieved our third badge. These people are not serious.

I beaten wattson. But these trainers are not preparing me. My god, in RBY we had tough trainers. I mean by our second badge. We were fighting people in the freakin 20's.

This is insane...Its making it hard to get experience, so I actually have to fight weak wild pokemon too. Argh....

They better not do this wit daimond and peral. Weak trainers are getting on my nerves.

Agent9 June 11th, 2006 9:01 PM

You: Go Charmander (LV5)!
Bug Catcher Earl: Go Caterpie (52)!

Agent9: Precisely. It'd make the game too hard.

BerryHunter June 11th, 2006 9:02 PM

maybe not that hard.......but i understand wat enyce means:P

enyce June 11th, 2006 9:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent9
You: Go Charmander (LV5)!
Bug Catcher Earl: Go Caterpie (52)!

Agent9: Precisely. It'd make the game too hard.

now you're being silly

If you are on badge six do you wanna see level 20 pokemon??? of course not. You would wanna see like level 30-35....

In RBY the trainers were tough. Everybody on this one are little crybabies.

Agent9 June 11th, 2006 9:12 PM

In Fire Red, you do see Lv 35 pokemon in the sixth badge. So I don't know what your going on aout. The GEM and Metal Saga pokemon were weak. The Elite Four with Lv 40 - 50 - 58 pokemon? Seriously.

enyce June 11th, 2006 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent9
In Fire Red, you do see Lv 35 pokemon in the sixth badge. So I don't know what your going on aout. The GEM and Metal Saga pokemon were weak. The Elite Four with Lv 40 - 50 - 58 pokemon? Seriously.

Fire red is a remake, it doesnt count -_-

shanecdavis June 12th, 2006 6:26 AM

I have a lot more than one complaint about the games, but the weak trainers definitely are towards the top of my list. They are weak and incredibly predictable. On top of that, all the gym leaders STILL have no diversity on their team. Norman is the greatest example. Vigoroth and two Slaking in RS and Spinda, Vigoroth, Linoone, and Slaking in Emerald. Emerald at least made a (lame) attempt, but seriously, the Normal-types have such an incredibly vast selection. Would it really hurt too if ONE of the Pokes they used didn't follow the typing. Especially in the E4. How, for the love of God, did those 5 trainers become the E4???? That right there shows how incredibly weak the trainers in the region are. Easily the worst of all regions. I am really hoping that DP will be a change in format, but I am not holding my breath. How cool would it be for DP to incorporate Colosseum into it, to actually make the end of the game interesting. No more Weak 4, just get the badges for a chance to enter.

We can only hope.

♥Naomi♥ June 12th, 2006 6:32 PM

when leveling,the weak trainers suck >_<
when in a hurry,yay!

VanirElf June 12th, 2006 10:02 PM

yeah the weak trainers are annoying as.

I'd like it to be like it was when the trainers were strong and getting badges was actually a challenge.

I hope they'll do another match call type thing in Diamond/Pearl 'cuz
well I like the pokenav and all but I wanna be able to fight the trainers
that I want when I was which u can basically do every 100 steps with the
match call thing in FireRed/LeafGreen.

my pokemon pet peeves.

#1 that they lock up legendaries so the only way to get some of them
is to go to a nintendo event...not everyone can go to those.

#2 the weak ingame trainers. 'cuz they make leveling up soo agonizingly slow.
the gym leaders and elite 4 are a joke as trainers.

Kraka-chan June 13th, 2006 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent9
You: Go Charmander (LV5)!
Bug Catcher Earl: Go Caterpie (52)!

Agent9: Precisely. It'd make the game too hard.

That's really unrealistic. I think a trainer should have Pokemon near or just over their twenties by time you get the second badge. I would like to level up my Pokemon quickly, but I wouldn't want to fight super powerful Trainers when you're just starting your game, that's really silly.

What about the Trainers on the Sevvi Islands? By time I got to them first time, their Pokemon were hard to beat.

Eruption June 14th, 2006 10:24 AM

The pokemon and Trainers you see Should go up about 5-7 levels after each badge.
That would make it quite harder.

aragornbird June 14th, 2006 1:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VanirElf
I hope they'll do another match call type thing in Diamond/Pearl 'cuz
well I like the pokenav and all but I wanna be able to fight the trainers
that I want when I was which u can basically do every 100 steps with the
match call thing in FireRed/LeafGreen.

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It’s called the VS Seeker, not the Match Call. The VS Seeker is awesome though. You can actually have trainers get their Pokemon stronger and evolve. Too bad there is a limit to how high their levels can reach and not every trainer in the game actually levels their Pokemon up.

I totally agree with enyce though. Even in their secret base, Team Magma/Aqua still had LV. 30+ Poochyenas and Zubats when they should have evolved a long time ago. And the 8th gym has a Luvdisc, the worst Water type in the game. That's just hilarious.

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enyce June 14th, 2006 4:22 PM

^^^Whoa Whoa, I wouldnt call luvdis the worst water type.

Magikarp is

Kraka-chan June 15th, 2006 5:57 AM

Quote:

I totally agree with enyce though. Even in their secret base, Team Magma/Aqua still had LV. 30+ Poochyenas and Zubats when they should have evolved a long time ago. And the 8th gym has a Luvdisc, the worst Water type in the game. That's just hilarious.
Yeah. The only things that an average Team Aqua/Magma Grunt lack are variety in their Pokemon (just Poochyena and Zubat) no wonder they get trounced all the time. At least FR/LG Team Rocket has a bit of variety (Ratata, Zubat, Drowzee,Machop, etc).

And what's wrong with Luvdisc?

shanecdavis June 15th, 2006 6:23 AM

Other than being the worst Water-type in the game? Not much. Bag on Magikarp all you want, but at least it evolves into one of the best Water-types in the game. What does Luvdisc evolve into? A big pile of smoldering doodoo.

Consider the fact that its base stats are a COMBINED 328. Yes that is all 6 base stats added together. The next closest crappy Water-type is Corsola at 380. Yes, Luvdisc is all cutesy, but it belongs in the PC where it won't get hurt.

enyce June 15th, 2006 8:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis
Other than being the worst Water-type in the game? Not much. Bag on Magikarp all you want, but at least it evolves into one of the best Water-types in the game. What does Luvdisc evolve into? A big pile of smoldering doodoo.

Consider the fact that its base stats are a COMBINED 328. Yes that is all 6 base stats added together. The next closest crappy Water-type is Corsola at 380. Yes, Luvdisc is all cutesy, but it belongs in the PC where it won't get hurt.

One thunderbolt=bye bye Gyarados

Red1530 June 15th, 2006 9:03 AM

The ingame trainers are weak. Also the wild pokemon are also weak. I think they should increase trainer level and team diveresty. The levels of wild pokemon should be increased as well.

Kraka-chan June 15th, 2006 9:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red1530
The ingame trainers are weak. Also the wild pokemon are also weak. I think they should increase trainer level and team diveresty. The levels of wild pokemon should be increased as well.

Nooo, not the wild Pokemon! (I got a tad overexcited.) I have a rule when it come to leveling up Pokemon, they are stronger when caught and Leveled up from the lowest level possible (say when your first Starter Pokemon, it begins at Level 5). If you compare a Leveled up Pokemon to a freshly caught Pokemon of a similar Level, you'll notice the difference. If you don't believe me, try it and see.

And as for Magikarp, I understand that it evolves into a powerful Water Pokemon. The same goes for Feebas (Milotic is cool).

enyce June 15th, 2006 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraka-chan
Nooo, not the wild Pokemon! (I got a tad overexcited.) I have a rule when it come to leveling up Pokemon, they are stronger when caught and Leveled up from the lowest level possible (say when your first Starter Pokemon, it begins at Level 5). If you compare a Leveled up Pokemon to a freshly caught Pokemon of a similar Level, you'll notice the difference. If you don't believe me, try it and see.

And as for Magikarp, I understand that it evolves into a powerful Water Pokemon. The same goes for Feebas (Milotic is cool).

Shes right, try catch a wild dragonair. In the safari zone, then a wild Dratini. If you level up dratini to dragonite. Then the same with Dragonair.

Who will be stronger??? The Dratini

zethias June 18th, 2006 6:45 PM

It's all too true, and even after you battle with the poke'mon league, there's not much good training that can be done with the weak pokemon they give you to fight...but I think they do this mostly to keep trainers from being able to catch extremely high level pokemon everywhere they go. There wouldn't be much point in the game if you couldn't train the pokemon yourself from a lower level. And if they did that, there'd be less training to accomplish with all the new strong pokemon your meeting. It would be nice if they could raise the levels of the pokemon league though, it's pretty bad when you don't have to put effort in to fighting them considering they're supposed to be the toughest challenge in the game....

Rioku_Zanketa June 18th, 2006 7:07 PM

to me,unless I find a way to place I'm not supposed to go yet,...all computer trainers are weak to me.....I'm pretty good at dividing the Exp. withh all poke'mon in the party,....so I get used to weak trainers....well,only sometimes,when I have to fight continuasly ["SOMETIMES"] (meaning due to rushing and type dis-advantage)do trainers ever pose a threat to me...

shanecdavis June 19th, 2006 6:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enyce
One thunderbolt=bye bye Gyarados

Yep, just like 95% of all Water-types. Not sure what your point is there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraka-chan
Nooo, not the wild Pokemon! (I got a tad overexcited.) I have a rule when it come to leveling up Pokemon, they are stronger when caught and Leveled up from the lowest level possible (say when your first Starter Pokemon, it begins at Level 5). If you compare a Leveled up Pokemon to a freshly caught Pokemon of a similar Level, you'll notice the difference. If you don't believe me, try it and see.

And as for Magikarp, I understand that it evolves into a powerful Water Pokemon. The same goes for Feebas (Milotic is cool).

Trained Pokes being stronger than wild Pokes occurs because when you catch a wild Poke at Lv30 it has no EV points, while the Pokes you train from Lv5 have earned them from every battle. That said, once you catch that wild Lv30 Poke and you EV train it properly, it will be just as strong as the Poke you spent training from Lv5. The only factor you cannot control, unless you are breeding, is what the IVs (Individual Values) will be. Those are randomly added to every Poke in the game.

BTW - While Magikarp and Feebas evolve into powerful Pokes, Luvdisc does not. It stays the crappiest of them all.

Kraka-chan June 19th, 2006 7:50 AM

Quote:

Trained Pokes being stronger than wild Pokes occurs because when you catch a wild Poke at Lv30 it has no EV points, while the Pokes you train from Lv5 have earned them from every battle. That said, once you catch that wild Lv30 Poke and you EV train it properly, it will be just as strong as the Poke you spent training from Lv5. The only factor you cannot control, unless you are breeding, is what the IVs (Individual Values) will be. Those are randomly added to every Poke in the game.
So that's how it's done.
I think the CPU Trainers Pokemon must have been programmed with bad IVs (Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, besides, CPU Trainers wouldn't have EVs).

And please leave Luvdisc alone. It has suffered enough.

enyce June 19th, 2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis
Yep, just like 95% of all Water-types. Not sure what your point is there.

My point is, Gyarados is part water part flying...Meaning Thunderbolt does 4 times the damage instead of two...Most evolved water types are decent. That you might have to up it to a thunder..

Flamman June 19th, 2006 12:28 PM

if you ask me, the elite 4 are a laugh, i totally DESTROYED them with only one pkmn, being a lvl 68 flygon, and 6 max pots and the 3 glass flutes. the rematches with trainers should be more powerfull too, and in my oppinion Wally should get a bigger role after elite 4, in stead of being in that stupid cave 24-7, poor, fragile astmatic guy in a cold molded cave, but back to the topic:

the first gym with lvls around 10, and a few more than 2, and more than 1 double gym battle, more 2vs2 battles in the entire game, i like them^^ testing my combo's

higher lvls=more exp=faster leveling=more powerfull pokemon=means more room for higher differences between gyms, so raise lvls of the basic trainers, gyms and elites


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