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enyce June 23rd, 2006 9:30 PM

Why does everyone suggest I dont use Facade on swellow
 
Almost everyone I talk to about pokemon. Tell me Facade sucks. That I should replace it with the likes of. Steel wing, Quick attack etc.

I keep telling them that with Guts and STAB. Seeing Facades base power becomes 140 when you are inflicted with a status condition. Its almost like hyper beam without the recharge. Then when I tell em that. They chaange the subject.

soldier2021 June 23rd, 2006 9:35 PM

Facade is a VERY weak attack, unless your opponent paralyzes your Swellow or poisons it etc. Facade is not that strong.

But if you are one of those guys that waste turns playing X Attack or somethings similiar to it, then go for it.

enyce June 23rd, 2006 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
Facade is a VERY weak attack, unless your opponent paralyzes your Swellow or poisons it etc. Facade is not that strong.

But if you are one of those guys that waste turns playing X Attack or somethings similiar to it, then go for it.

Since when is 70 base power VERY weak. It may be weak. But not very weak. VERY weak is more along the lines of 50 and below.

70 base power is the Maximum for Hidden power. You dont see people calling it "very weak". Swellow is the only Guts pokemon that can STAB from facade. Facade is not meant to be an all time offensive. Especially if you have three other moves to choose from.

Lathspell June 23rd, 2006 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
Facade is a VERY weak attack, unless your opponent paralyzes your Swellow or poisons it etc. Facade is not that strong.

But if you are one of those guys that waste turns playing X Attack or somethings similiar to it, then go for it.

Enyce, maybe all those you talked to have no ideea what they're saying, like this guy here. Facade is a great attack, and the only reason to use Swellow, else everyone would go with Dodrio, or even Fearow. I won't explain why, because you already know the whole story.

soldier2021 June 24th, 2006 9:19 AM

Facade has a base power of 45. i am looking at it right now on my cacturne.

Fr0st June 24th, 2006 9:25 AM

Its base power of 70... Stop posting if u don noe tbh

pokekilla7 June 24th, 2006 9:34 AM

I say steel wing is way better

Towlie June 24th, 2006 9:41 AM

Facade > Steel Wing.

Especially on Swellow.

soldier2021 June 24th, 2006 9:43 AM

I am looking right now on my game and it says Pwr 45 Acc 100 pp 20 i am reading that off my game right now.

Towlie June 24th, 2006 9:47 AM

*Reads off his gameboy.*

Type: Normal
Power: 70
Accuracy: 100
PP: 20

Dunno what game you're playing, but you're wrong.

Barboach June 24th, 2006 9:56 AM

What is with this guy. earth to soilder2021 earth to soilder2021, facade has 70 power.

And besides its great on swellow.

Lathspell June 24th, 2006 9:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
I am looking right now on my game and it says Pwr 45 Acc 100 pp 20 i am reading that off my game right now.

I don't want to sound mean or something, also, I've dealed with crazy people before, but YOU HAVE NO IDEEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
Facade has 70 BP, ask anyone, look anywhere. And if you still don't get it, you're either really dumb or just a flamer. Both options are bad.

aragornbird June 24th, 2006 12:59 PM

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Soldier, please stop posting nonsense like that. Facade has a base power of 70, and when the user gets statused, it DOUBLES to 140, making it almost as strong as Hyper Beam without the turn loss.

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Rubberbandman June 24th, 2006 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
I am looking right now on my game and it says Pwr 45 Acc 100 pp 20 i am reading that off my game right now.

Even IF it had a power and accuracy like that it is still great on swellow with a status condition.
(((45 Base x 2) x 1.5) x 1.5) = 202.5

starmie fighter June 24th, 2006 2:55 PM

why would anyone even try to staus swellow? it will just get met straight up with Skarmory/Steelix/<insert physicla walls here>

soldier2021 June 24th, 2006 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towlie
*Reads off his gameboy.*

Type: Normal
Power: 70
Accuracy: 100
PP: 20

Dunno what game you're playing, but you're wrong.


on my Pokemon Ruby it says it has 45 power, my brothers Sapphire says the same thing. (edited to include:) but on my brothers Emerald it does say 70. but on our Ruby and Sapphire versions it says 45


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Quote:
Originally Posted by soldier2021
I am looking right now on my game and it says Pwr 45 Acc 100 pp 20 i am reading that off my game right now.

Originally Posted by Rubberbandman
Even IF it had a power and accuracy like that it is still great on swellow with a status condition.
(((45 Base x 2) x 1.5) x 1.5) = 202.5


True, above i stated " [unless] your opponent paralyzes your Swellow or poisons it etc. Facade is not that strong.
But if you are one of those guys that waste turns playing X Attack or somethings similiar to it, then go for it."

Originally Posted by aragornbird
Quote:

Soldier, please stop posting nonsense like that. Facade has a base power of 70, and when the user gets statused, it DOUBLES to 140, making it almost as strong as Hyper Beam without the turn loss.
With respect, i am quoting stats which are literally in my Ruby Version. My brothers Sapphire Version says the exact same thing as my Ruby, but his Emerald says 70.

enyce June 24th, 2006 5:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
on my Pokemon Ruby it says it has 45 power, my brothers Sapphire says the same thing. (edited to include:) but on my brothers Emerald it does say 70. but on our Ruby and Sapphire versions it says 45

Liar Liar pants on fire

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7434/pokemonemeraldu011xe.png

Thats my Swellow on a Emerald rom.

soldier2021 June 24th, 2006 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enyce
Liar Liar pants on fire

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7434/pokemonemeraldu011xe.png

Thats my Swellow on a Emerald rom.

Seriously, it does say 45 on my Ruby version. My Cacturne has it. hey, how did you get that photo? i will show you my cacturne.

(edited to include: Hey enyce tell me how to put your gameboy images on the computer please, i will prove to you my Cacturnes Facade has 45 POWER.





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Quote:
Originally Posted by enyce
Quote:

When you play on an emulator. Press F12. Then you will get a screenshot. Of where you are currently.
I don't have a "emulator" i will just use my Digital Cam.

enyce June 24th, 2006 6:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
Seriously, it does say 45 on my Ruby version. My Cacturne has it. hey, how did you get that photo? i will show you my cacturne.

(edited to include: Hey enyce tell me how to put your gameboy images on the computer please, i will prove to you my Cacturnes Facade has 45 POWER.

Well thats not a game boy image. Thats an emerald rom image. I took on an emulator.

The only way I think you could really prove it is. To take a photo of your gameboy and scan it online. Or take it with a webcam or something. I did a screen capture.

soldier2021 June 24th, 2006 6:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enyce
Well thats not a game boy image. Thats an emerald rom image. I took on an emulator.

The only way I think you could really prove it is. To take a photo of your gameboy and scan it online. Or take it with a webcam or something. I did a screen capture.


i just took some pics with my digital camera,,,, i just gotta find the cord to download it to my comp, i am trying to make the least glare images as i can.


hey i hope you don't mind but... i gotta wait for my older brother to come back home before i can download the images, he had the cord.

enyce June 24th, 2006 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier2021
i just took some pics with my digital camera,,,, i just gotta find the cord to download it to my comp, i am trying to make the least glare images as i can.

I will be patiently waiting while you do so.

soldier2021 June 24th, 2006 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enyce
I will be patiently waiting while you do so.


hey check this forum tomorrow, i will upload the images of my Cacturne, my bro will not be home until about 9:30-10 p.m. i will have the images uploaded by tomorrow. AND I WILL PROVE TO YOU MY GAME SAYS 45

Fr0st June 24th, 2006 8:40 PM

FACADE

If that doesnt shut your trap then nothing will

Mullet June 24th, 2006 9:27 PM

Mullet steps into this now; soldier2021 stfu you have no idea what you are talking about stop posting and we all will be happy. Thanks bai. ^_^

Taemin June 24th, 2006 9:33 PM

It would be interesting to see a picture of this though....
Still, I've never really used Facade myself...but whatever works, I guess..


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