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mrplanters August 8th, 2006 3:38 PM

How come groudon is not part fire?
 
How come groudon is not part fire? its team magma's ancient pokemon

Lord Mike August 8th, 2006 3:41 PM

I would probably take that up with Game Freak...

shanecdavis August 8th, 2006 3:57 PM

First off, it isn't Team Magma's Poke. They were just trying to capture it. Also, if it were part Fire, it would immediately drop from being the greatest Legendary ever. Being 4x weak to Water wouldn't be too smart.

Lord Mike August 8th, 2006 4:03 PM

Um, Kyogre is the best legendary uber there is iirc. Double-STAB Surf with increibly high Special Attack power and Calm Mind to hammer more. Groudon's Ability doesn't work as much in its favor, considering that its Special Attack is worse and everybody seems to use Thunder Wave/Rock Slide/Earthquake/Swords Dance so there's not too much it can do from the sun.

mrplanters August 8th, 2006 4:05 PM

i never said kyogre was the best legendary

Spencer August 8th, 2006 4:36 PM

I always thought Groudon was fire. o_o lol I never looked. And don't be mean and try to shut mrplanters down. He was just saying that Groudon was made for Team Magma. And even though Groudon isn't fire, it is still weak against Kyogre. So it doesn't really matter. Kyogre should be able to beat it anyway.

~Patrick~ August 8th, 2006 5:01 PM

Groudon controls the land, Team Magma wants to increase the world's landmass therefore they try to gain control over Groudon.

Kyogre controls the ocean, Team Aqua wants to increase the size of the worlds oceans therefore they try to gain control over Kyogre.

hope that helped.

aragornbird August 8th, 2006 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Mike
Um, Kyogre is the best legendary uber there is iirc.

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No, Kyogre gets totally owned by Shedinja. The best ubers are Groudon or Mewtwo.

And like shane said, making it Fire/Ground would give it a 4x Water weakness while adding no beneficial resistances, so it's better off as pure Ground.

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andrewv42 August 9th, 2006 7:32 PM

Isn`t Rayquaza better than Groudon? I mean, ground is ineffective against dragon and flying is super effective against ground......right?

aragornbird August 9th, 2006 8:45 PM

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Umm, no, Flying is NOT supereffective against Ground and Ground is not ineffective against Dragon. You need to review your type match-ups.

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Kraka-chan August 10th, 2006 12:15 AM

Although, Groudon has fire attacks and the constant Sunny Day (can't remember the ability), it is still considered a Ground type because Groudon is the Continent Pokemon (the spirit of the 'Earth').

And doesn't Sunny Day lower the power of Water attacks?

shanecdavis August 10th, 2006 2:11 AM

Lord Mike, or YoMama, or whatever your name is, you are taking Kyogre's and Groudon's trait at face value. Sure Drizzle works great for Kyogre and accentuates its moves, but Drought works differently. You can bring Drought in and ruin Drizzle, but you cannot bring Drizzle in to ruin Drought. Groudon doesn't depend on its Ability as much as Kyogre does. Drought is more defensive, first by cutting Water attacks in half, and then upping Fire attacks by half so it take care of Grass-types too. You can switch in a Groudon on a Kyogre, but switching a Kyogre in on a Groudon is extremely risky. Groudon's 150 base Atk takes advantage of Kyogre's 90 base Def, especially with a Choice Band or Swords Dance.

Here is what Drought does:

Cancels effects of all other weather moves. Increases power of Fire attacks by 50%; halves the power of Water attacks; Solarbeam fires in one turn; Thunder is 50% accurate; Prevents Freezing

Rayquaza pales to Groudon, mainly because of that 4x weakness to Ice. Well, that and Rock Slide/HP [Rock] is prevalant on almost any Groudon set, while Ice Beam isn't on Rayquaza.

If Mewtwo and Groudon faced off head-to-head, Mewtwo would win as it would get in two attacks. That said, in the uber metagame, most of them are vulnerable physically, which makes Groudon the best.

Rioku_Zanketa August 10th, 2006 6:26 PM

in reality,magma is pretty much earth type.Groudon,like said before,creates land.to create land,you'd need magma.so the reason team magma has fire pokemon is either a small mistake for magma and actual fire,or just to rival team aqua.....catch my drift?...

Starry August 11th, 2006 9:57 PM

Ok, first off all, if you raise your pokemon correctly you can pwn almost anything no matter what type it is. Secondly, the tv show never said groudon was a fire type, team magma just wanted groudon because of it's ability to control the land and sun's rays to manipulate the water on earth through evaporation.

Raising Groudon the natural way without any items or tms
Mainly you want to make it as strong as possible by raising lvl and not making it faint so it trusts you more. So always keep it in party etc...
Second of all there are 4 types of pokemon strategy types and the skills that it has occur with the type you chose... herez a lil guide

Full Range Offensive: (Nothing but attacks, the strongest attacks of groudon's should be used in all 4 - Earthquake, fire blast, solar beam, and eruption)

Defence Anhilation: (Mainly you decrease your opponent's accuracy making them miss you with almsot every attack, as well as defence wise. While you buff up your own pokemon and waste all their PP, then strike with final blow --Skills used: Mud shot, Scary Face, Ancient power/bulk up, Rest)

Strategy Tactician: (Same as Defencer but uses a more evil way to kill ur opponent by slow death. What I mean is poison, burn, etc. in order to kill them... Evil No? Groudon's skills used Mud shot, Scary Face, Fire Blast, Fissure)

Speed Trickster: (As the name implies but for groudon you cannot be this type naturally due to it's speed is slow and none of the tricky types of attacks. Mainly what this is, it's using all attacks/skills that makes ur opponent miss their turn to attack and u attack them when you go back to normal: such as Fly, Dig, Dive, etc., also remember though u need to decrease their accuracy so they wont hit as often as well as their defence if wanted. But whats a speed trickster without speed no? remember quick attack is most basic but this also implies to One Hit KO type moves so have at least 1 or the other and there ya go)

Raising Groudon with items and tms
Notice I did not say HMs, nobody would use a HM on a legendary pokemon always use on the ones u use less. Mainly you use items such as PP up, Hp up, iron, etc to buff ur groudon to pwn all pokemon and use the most powerful tms there are to make it invincible. Just follow the guide in how to make the perfect Groudon.

Smarties-chan August 12th, 2006 3:02 AM

Why would it be a Fire type? It's just the creator of the land. Besides, Groudon would just be worse as a Fire/Ground type. A 4x weakness against Water, normal damage from Rock attacks and a weakness against Ground isn't exactly the best thing you could give a Pokémon. =\
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Ok, first off all, if you raise your pokemon correctly you can pwn almost anything no matter what type it is. Secondly, the tv show never said groudon was a fire type, team magma just wanted groudon because of it's ability to control the land and sun's rays to manipulate the water on earth through evaporation.

Raising Groudon the natural way without any items or tms
Mainly you want to make it as strong as possible by raising lvl and not making it faint so it trusts you more. So always keep it in party etc...
Second of all there are 4 types of pokemon strategy types and the skills that it has occur with the type you chose... herez a lil guide

Full Range Offensive: (Nothing but attacks, the strongest attacks of groudon's should be used in all 4 - Earthquake, fire blast, solar beam, and eruption)

Defence Anhilation: (Mainly you decrease your opponent's accuracy making them miss you with almsot every attack, as well as defence wise. While you buff up your own pokemon and waste all their PP, then strike with final blow --Skills used: Mud shot, Scary Face, Ancient power/bulk up, Rest)

Strategy Tactician: (Same as Defencer but uses a more evil way to kill ur opponent by slow death. What I mean is poison, burn, etc. in order to kill them... Evil No? Groudon's skills used Mud shot, Scary Face, Fire Blast, Fissure)

Speed Trickster: (As the name implies but for groudon you cannot be this type naturally due to it's speed is slow and none of the tricky types of attacks. Mainly what this is, it's using all attacks/skills that makes ur opponent miss their turn to attack and u attack them when you go back to normal: such as Fly, Dig, Dive, etc., also remember though u need to decrease their accuracy so they wont hit as often as well as their defence if wanted. But whats a speed trickster without speed no? remember quick attack is most basic but this also implies to One Hit KO type moves so have at least 1 or the other and there ya go)

Raising Groudon with items and tms
Notice I did not say HMs, nobody would use a HM on a legendary pokemon always use on the ones u use less. Mainly you use items such as PP up, Hp up, iron, etc to buff ur groudon to pwn all pokemon and use the most powerful tms there are to make it invincible. Just follow the guide in how to make the perfect Groudon.
Please don't do something like that to Groudon. It makes Groudon very sad, yes it does. ;-; What Groudon needs is Earthquake, Rockslide, Swords Dance/Bulk Up and Thunder Wave/Fire Blast/Filler. What you did to Groudon (Even though I do hate it. <.<) is unforgivable.

Drifblim August 12th, 2006 11:19 AM

Don't forget Brick Break, Smarties. A decent Fighting attack will always do you good, especially against Ice-type monsters. And Groudon's Special Attack is laughable, so I'd forgo the Fire Blast or Solarbeam myself (and I shudder at how I used to ply it with those moves...).

andrewv42 August 12th, 2006 8:56 PM

Crystal Walrein is right. Groudons SP. Attack isn`t too good to support a powerful fire blast, flamethrower or solar-beam.

Smarties-chan August 12th, 2006 11:10 PM

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Don't forget Brick Break, Smarties. A decent Fighting attack will always do you good, especially against Ice-type monsters. And Groudon's Special Attack is laughable, so I'd forgo the Fire Blast or Solarbeam myself (and I shudder at how I used to ply it with those moves...).
Fire Blast is to counter those pesky physical walls that would otherwise LOL at Groudon. I agree with you on Solarbeam, though. It's just laughable on Groudon. But even though Groudon's Sp.Atk isn't all that great, Fire Blast and Thunder are both useful for Groudon. Thunder surprises Kyogre on the switch and has a high chance of paralyzing it, too, and I already said why Fire Blast is useful on Groudon. Of course Groudon won't have trouble taking down a physical wall after a couple of Swords Dances, but getting a Toxic or another nasty condition on you isn't really that good either. =\ And Brick Break is pretty much useless on Groudon. It doesn't give any type coverage in the uber metagame and Earthquake and Rock Slide together take care of everything Brick Break does.

Xylitol August 13th, 2006 2:35 AM

Yeah, my Groudon is pretty sad too with his solarbeams and whatnots, but at the time I traded it from my friend (mainly for pokedex) I was the stereotype poke-n00b with no knowledge about stats or EVs. I'm still not going to use him though. :/

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ August 21st, 2006 10:10 AM

If it name wasn't groudon, it should be a fire type. Thats how I see it

:t093:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

shanecdavis August 22nd, 2006 5:35 AM

What does its name have to do with its type? It is the CONTINENTAL Pokemon. Continental = Ground.

n3croart August 29th, 2006 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aragornbird (Post 2211950)
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No, Kyogre gets totally owned by Shedinja. The best ubers are Groudon or Mewtwo.

And like shane said, making it Fire/Ground would give it a 4x Water weakness while adding no beneficial resistances, so it's better off as pure Ground.

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What if Kyogre had Ice Beam?

Kyogre vs. Shedinja!

Kyogre used Ice Beam!
100% Damage!
Kyogre Wins!

Bug pokemon has a weakness to Ice moves. Shedinja has 1 HP only. It's ability prevents any move that's normal or not super effective. ...

Kyogre owns Shedinja.

shanecdavis August 29th, 2006 1:47 PM

LOL Since when is Bug weak to Ice????

Shedinja can only be harmed by the following types: Dark, Fire, Flying, Ghost, and Rock.

Kyogre would have to carry Ancientpower, Rock Tomb, or Rock Slide, all of which are LOL on Kyogre since one of them would take away from its perfect moveset, just so it wouldn't be own by Shedinja.

PictoChris September 4th, 2006 10:31 AM

So kyogres ice attack have affect.

shanecdavis September 19th, 2006 9:53 AM

No, Kyogre's Ice Beam will have no effect on Shedinja.

Please stay on topic. This is about Groudon, not Kyogre or Shedinja.


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