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Ayano Katagiri October 6th, 2006 2:02 AM

Ampharos
 
I currently have an Ampharos at Lv 47 on Emerald that I want to train up but am unsure of what moves to give it. So here it is now:

Thunderbolt
Fire Punch
Cotton Spore
Light Screen


So what should I teach it/What are the best moves for it???

Thanks, !!**Alex**!! :chu:

shanecdavis October 6th, 2006 3:00 AM

Ampharos is under-rated.

Ampharos @ Leftovers
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave/Reflect/Light Screen
- Thunderbolt

Lord Mike October 6th, 2006 4:01 PM

Fire Punch possibly if you have access to it at Battle Frontier.

rekt October 6th, 2006 4:23 PM

Ice Punch is better, to cover its Salamence weak. But Fire Punch works to cover its Metagross weak.

Focus Punch
Thunderbolt
Ice Punch/Fire Punch
Reflect

Ayano Katagiri October 6th, 2006 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Mike (Post 2254932)
Fire Punch possibly if you have access to it at Battle Frontier.

yea I have access to BF and already have Fire Punch

rekt: I tried to teach it Ice Punch and it says not compatible so thats a no go

!!**Alex**!! :chu:

Lapras1016 October 7th, 2006 1:24 AM

Have you tried a Thunderdancer moveset?

Thunder
Rain Dance
Fire Punch (don't use it in Rain Dance!)
POSSIBLY Brick Break or Iron Tail

I'm not much of an Amphy user in RSE/FRLG so I really don't know... Bleah.

Alter Ego October 7th, 2006 1:29 AM

Lapras1016, rekt, if you don't know what you're doing (Which you obviously don't in this case, since Lapras1016 suggested a fire move with Rain Dance and rekt offered a move which Ampharos can't learn <.<) then don't post moveset suggestions. Thunderdance Amphy sucks, bad, as do Thunderdancers in general. I have to disagree with Shane a bit too, though. A more ingame-friendly Amphy would be:

Thunderbolt
Fire Punch
Thunder Wave/Light Screen
Rest

Subpunching ingame is kind of lol, especially since Blissey, Miltank, Snorlax, and Tyranitar (The ones who Focus Punch helps most against) only appear on a few occasions in the Battle Frontier and FR/LG Battle Tower, and if you plan on challenging either of those there are loads of better pokémon out there.

rekt October 7th, 2006 3:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego (Post 2255484)
Lapras1016, rekt, if you don't know what you're doing (Which you obviously don't in this case, since Lapras1016 suggested a fire move with Rain Dance and rekt offered a move which Ampharos can't learn <.<) then don't post moveset suggestions. Thunderdance Amphy sucks, bad, as do Thunderdancers in general. I have to disagree with Shane a bit too, though. A more ingame-friendly Amphy would be

Are you kidding me. The Topic Creator asked for the best moveset. Now, she might have acsess to nothing, or everything. All I did was give the best Moveset, that Ampharos has to offer. Maybe try competitive battling sometime and I will show you that competitive is different than ingame. Also, i'm sorry about the Ice Punch part, I am used to AA's Mod Server, where Ampharos can learn Ice Punch.

Lapras1016 on the other hand, doesn't know what he is talking about. ThunderDancing is terrible anyways, and with something that is as slow as Ampharos, it is even worse.

Lord Mike October 7th, 2006 4:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rekt (Post 2254968)
Ice Punch is better, to cover its Salamence weak. But Fire Punch works to cover its Metagross weak.

Focus Punch
Thunderbolt
Ice Punch/Fire Punch
Reflect

Um, sorry to nurst you bubble, but AMPHAROUS CAN'T LEARN ICE PUNCH </duh duh>

Alter Ego October 7th, 2006 4:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rekt (Post 2255530)
All I did was give the best Moveset, that Ampharos has to offer.

No, that's what Shane did. You offered a modded (And thus illegal) moveset which can't be used in a GBA game without resorting to Gameshark or similar programs. Also, that set fails because Focus Punch there relies purely on prediction, and I fail to see why anyone would send in a Focus Punch weak when subpunch Amphy is common as mud. Anyways, cleric Amphy still tends to be better competitively than any of F-Punch whores.
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Originally Posted by rekt
Maybe try competitive battling sometime and I will show you that competitive is different than ingame.

Maybe you should take a break from hanging around suspect mod servers with distorted movepools and do some real competitive battling on Netbattle servers which play with the actual pokémon instead of trumped up modfreaks. If you did, you might also find me...as I have been Netbattling for about two years now. And yes, I know that ingame is different from competitive, but Alex asked for the best moveset for an ingame Ampharos, not a competitive (Let alone hacked) one. You should provide what the thread asks for, not what you consider to be "T3H M057 1337 AMPHY EVA 111oneoneone!!!" (A build which seems to rely quite heavily on your opponent being a clueless N00B by the way), and certain sets that work competitively aren't necessarily the best ingame. The concept of 'best' is subjective, is that such a hard idea to grasp?
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Originally Posted by rekt
Also, i'm sorry about the Ice Punch part, I am used to AA's Mod Server, where Ampharos can learn Ice Punch.

Like I said, if you don't know the pokémon your rating (Heck, you didn't even know its real learnset) then don't comment on the thread, simple as that. xP

Ayano Katagiri October 7th, 2006 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego (Post 2255484)
Subpunching ingame is kind of lol, especially since Blissey, Miltank, Snorlax, and Tyranitar (The ones who Focus Punch helps most against) only appear on a few occasions in the Battle Frontier and FR/LG Battle Tower, and if you plan on challenging either of those there are loads of better pokémon out there.

Yes I know there are better Pokemon than Amphy to challenge the BF with but I have a different set of Pokemon for BF. I just felt like having an Ampharos in my party.

And thanks for everyone's help even if sometimes it doesn't work. I think I know what to put on Ampharos now.

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Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 2254399)
Ampharos is under-rated.

Ampharos @ Leftovers
- Focus Punch
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave/Reflect/Light Screen
- Thunderbolt

Oh and by the way, where can you teach Substitute on Emerald? Is it in BF? or is it trading to FR/LG because I need it for another Pokemon.

!!**Alex**!! http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m28/Alex0117/393.gif

shanecdavis October 8th, 2006 5:12 AM

I prefer Focus Punch over Fire Punch because it makes Ampharos more versatile. Competitively I believe Fire Punch is more effective, but this is in-game and with the AI using mathmatic figures to calculate what move to use, and Amph's defenses/HP, I prefer the SubPunch combo to the elemental punch. There are a lot more Normal-types than Steel-types in-game.

As for Substitute in Emerald, you will find the Move Tutor at the top of the Lilycove Department Store. That is why I start my Emerald cart over so frequently. Getting multiple Subs rocks.

FullmetalxFangirl October 8th, 2006 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lapras1016 (Post 2255479)
Have you tried a Thunderdancer moveset?

Thunder
Rain Dance
Fire Punch (don't use it in Rain Dance!)
POSSIBLY Brick Break or Iron Tail

I'm not much of an Amphy user in RSE/FRLG so I really don't know... Bleah.

Who uses fire punch with a thunderdancer ..? x_X You, obviously. O.o;; Don't do it. It's a waste of perfectly good attack power and variation. It's just not safe. As for brick break ... it smashes walls, but does little damage that is worth speaking of. Iron tail is not always your friend, especially after a single sand attack. I like offensive moves (because I am offensive ... ha ha, get it ..? Never mind. -.-"), so neither brick break nor iron tail are really my cup of tea. Pure fire power with decent accuracy is good ... Does anyone know if ampharos can learn lock on? It would go nicely with zap cannon ... if zap cannon was even in R/S/E. D:

shanecdavis October 9th, 2006 5:09 AM

Not only does Ampharos not learn Lock On, but it doesn't learn Zap Cannon. That is a good thing. Low accuracy OHKO moves are crappy and wasting a turn with a move like Lock On is noobish. Ampharos can do more damage using Thunderbolt in two turns than it can using a move like LO one turn and then ZC the next turn.

mikesta October 9th, 2006 8:16 AM

Ummm it cant learn fire punch...last time I checked Ampharos was a electr type...everybody should know that

rekt October 9th, 2006 8:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesta (Post 2258004)
Ummm it cant learn fire punch...last time I checked Ampharos was a electr type...everybody should know that

That doesn't mean it can't learn Fire Punch.

Ayano Katagiri October 9th, 2006 7:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesta (Post 2258004)
Ummm it cant learn fire punch...last time I checked Ampharos was a electr type...everybody should know that

It is an electric type but can learn fire punch like how Alakazam can also learn Fire Punch, Ice Punch and ThunderPunch.

FullmetalxFangirl October 9th, 2006 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 2257882)
Not only does Ampharos not learn Lock On, but it doesn't learn Zap Cannon. That is a good thing. Low accuracy OHKO moves are crappy and wasting a turn with a move like Lock On is noobish. Ampharos can do more damage using Thunderbolt in two turns than it can using a move like LO one turn and then ZC the next turn.

PSHAW! I had an ampharos in Crystal, and it knew zap cannon. The upside of using zap cannon is that it paralyzes WITHOUT A DOUBT EVERY TURN IT HITS, which is why I favoured it a lot. In any case, I didn't say to teach lock on to ampharos, I was just wondering if it could learn it, and how awesome it would be if it could use it.

Obviously, you don't have the know-how to go back a few generations. Stuck on Serebii.net's 3-4th generation pokédex? Fufufu, my close-minded child. Have some respect and trust in me, hmm? My first game was gold, so I specialise in that generation.

[edit] Wow, 34? I suppose you've been playing since R/B/Y days. I would expect you of all people to know that ampharos can (could?) learn zap cannon. If ZC did appear in R/S/E, it would be able to learn it. Nintendo is my best friend. c:

A reference to Ampharos' compatability with Zap Cannon is here and here, if you keep in mind that TM06 used to be zap cannon.

And 'noobish' moves that do not do damage are not my style, in any case. Please remember that the definition for a 'noob' is someone who cheats. Teehee. Do you know how funny it is when noobs don't know what noobs are ..? Lawl. -.-

Ascendancy October 10th, 2006 9:43 AM

Definetly get rid of cotton spore and light screen, they are not worth keeping. Maybe teach it some ground moves?

shanecdavis October 10th, 2006 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2258790)
PSHAW! I had an ampharos in Crystal, and it knew zap cannon. The upside of using zap cannon is that it paralyzes WITHOUT A DOUBT EVERY TURN IT HITS, which is why I favoured it a lot. In any case, I didn't say to teach lock on to ampharos, I was just wondering if it could learn it, and how awesome it would be if it could use it.

Mightly defensive, aren't we? Next time, please specify that you are referring to old versions of the game, otherwise you come off more noobish and you destroy your credibility before you even have a chance to establish it. It doesn't matter if ZC paralyzes EVERY TURN IT HITS. That doesn't dismiss the fact that it is only 50% accurate and therefore far inferior to Thunderbolt that 100% accurate. It wouldn't be awesome if it could learn LO either. LO is a complete waste of a move. For example, you use LO the first turn and then ZC the second. That is two turns that yield only one 100 AP hit. Me, on the other hand attack each of those turns with Thunderbolt. That is TWO 95 AP hits compared to your one. Now, even though your one attack could have paralyzed the opponent, my two attacks typically would have KO'ed the opponent and therefore didn't need the paralyzing effect. Not to mention the fact that 10% of the time that first hit would have paralyzed anyway.

Obviously, you don't have the know-how to go back a few generations. Stuck on Serebii.net's 3-4th generation pokédex? Fufufu, my close-minded child. Have some respect and trust in me, hmm? My first game was gold, so I specialise in that generation.

LOL It is funny that you try to insult me by insinuating that I am not a backward thinker, when you have proven you are not a forward thinker. I can be just as judgmental and tell you that you need to update your knowledge on the current metagame, but that would just be mean, so I won't.

[edit] Wow, 34? I suppose you've been playing since R/B/Y days. I would expect you of all people to know that ampharos can (could?) learn zap cannon. If ZC did appear in R/S/E, it would be able to learn it. Nintendo is my best friend. c:

Yes, my sons introduced me to Pokemon in the RBY days, and I did know that Ampharos could learn ZC back then. Thankfully, it cannot now. BTW - ZC does appear in RSE, and here is a list of the Pokes that unfortunately can learn it:

Deoxys
Forretress
Magnemite
Magneton
Nosepass
Pineco
Porygon
Porygon2
Regice
Regirock
Registeel
Smeargle


A reference to Ampharos' compatability with Zap Cannon is here and here, if you keep in mind that TM06 used to be zap cannon.

And 'noobish' moves that do not do damage are not my style, in any case. Please remember that the definition for a 'noob' is someone who cheats. Teehee. Do you know how funny it is when noobs don't know what noobs are ..? Lawl. -.-

If moves that don't do damage aren't your style, why would you want Ampharos to learn LO? Doesn't make much sense to me. A 'noob' is not limited to someone who cheats, it also includes certain people who don't take constructive criticism and continue to play the game incorrectly, i.e. using HM moves, putting more than one attacking move of the same type on a Poke, thinking Hyper Beam is a good move, liking low accuracy OHKO moves, etc. And your last statement is spot on, noobs that don't know what a noob is are quite funny.

Alter Ego October 10th, 2006 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2258790)
The upside of using zap cannon is that it paralyzes WITHOUT A DOUBT EVERY TURN IT HITS, which is why I favoured it a lot.

The downside is that it only hits 50% of the time, in which case Thunder is a better option as it has a 50% (35% in practice) paralysis rate but a 70% chance of dealing damage. Really, Zap Cannon is lol, as are all moves with an accuracy below 70%.
Quote:

Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2258790)
Obviously, you don't have the know-how to go back a few generations. Stuck on Serebii.net's 3-4th generation pokédex? Fufufu, my close-minded child. Have some respect and trust in me, hmm? My first game was gold, so I specialise in that generation.

This is completely irrelevant as, if you'd care to look at the first post, this Amhparos is in Emerald. Anyway, who plays the metal generation games anymore?

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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2258790)
And 'noobish' moves that do not do damage are not my style, in any case. Please remember that the definition for a 'noob' is someone who cheats. Teehee. Do you know how funny it is when noobs don't know what noobs are ..? Lawl. -.-

Actually, N00B's original meaning was spoilsport, although nowadays it refers to someone who doesn't know what he/she is talking about/doing (Such as you =P). It's additional meaning of 'cheater' is, I believe caused by N00B's original meaning (As cheaters certainly spoil the fun of any given game) and partially because those who resort to cheating are the ones who don't have the skills to play competitively.

FullmetalxFangirl October 10th, 2006 7:33 PM

-sigh- I could rant for about an hour on how odd it is that people that are practially old enough to be my parent/grandparent are on sites like this (and give information on games ._.; ) when so many people my age and younger think it's childish ... but I won't because I have to study for exams. D: I'd think people over the twenty-years mark would have things to worry about such as university/jobs etc, and not something like pokémon (Rated 8+! OMG, THAT'S BASICALLY AO! o: QUICKLY, I SHOULD EVACUATE! THAT GOES FOR ALL OF YOU AS WELL! YOUR INNOCENT MINDS WILL BE STAINED!) ... Oh well. -.- A break from the hustle and bustle of life, ne?

... Oh dear. That probably sounded very noobish and defensive. Oh well. At least I made my point, hmm?

In any case, ampharos has pathetic stats (namely speed/sp attack/defense) and it is hard to get it a good moveset in R/S/E. It had a huge cut-down from the old games; and even in those, it possessed only under-used usefulness. At least it's a decent contest 'monner.

By the way, I hope you feel proud that you just 'shamed' a thirteen-year-old. ;D Congrats. You're moving up in the world.

Ayano Katagiri October 10th, 2006 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
-sigh- I could rant for about an hour on how odd it is that people that are practially old enough to be my parent/grandparent are on sites like this (and give information on games ._.; ) when so many people my age and younger think it's childish ... but I won't because I have to study for exams.

In any case, ampharos has pathetic stats (namely speed/sp attack/defense) and it is hard to get it a good moveset in R/S/E. It had a huge cut-down from the old games; and even in those, it possessed only under-used usefulness. At least it's a decent contest 'monner.

By the way, I hope you feel proud that you just 'shamed' a thirteen-year-old. ;D Congrats. You're moving up in the world.

Ummm.... actually I think its good that people out there know what they are doing. It doesn't really matter what age they are. If they know what they know then they can give info on it. I know that children our age think all this stuff is childish but aye, who cares? It is what we do right? Like I bought Diamond the other day and was told I was being childish and shouldnt be playing these games but still that was from children of similar age who no longer find these things fun at all.

Yes Amphy's stats aren't great but I feel like having one at the moment just like how I feel like having a Pochama and Mukkuru in my Diamond team without caring about their attacks and stats. That's because I have two teams usually and this is just for one that I will carry around but not use for major battling such as BF. And I have pumped up Amphy stats as high as it will go for the level that it is at. It's not great but at least it is still winning battles for me.

Does anyone really look at what age anyone else is on this?? I'm 14 but yea there are younger people on this such as you but what's with the comment? Pretty much, when you're online, there isnt really an age thing. You are pretty much an anonmyous person without age (especially on forums) and is attacked by anyone is you do anything that someone else dislikes. At least that's what I think.

Alter Ego October 11th, 2006 4:00 AM

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Originally Posted by !!**Alex**!!
Does anyone really look at what age anyone else is on this?? I'm 14 but yea there are younger people on this such as you but what's with the comment? Pretty much, when you're online, there isnt really an age thing. You are pretty much an anonmyous person without age (especially on forums) and is attacked by anyone is you do anything that someone else dislikes. At least that's what I think.

Hear hear. I agree that having older people (And I do know that there is a good amount of people older than me on these forums) around here is a good thing. I mean, when people who have been at this for so much longer than you, and have a lot more experience to show for it, offer advice, you should thank rather than bash them. Don't bite the hand that feeds, people. =P

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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
when so many people my age and younger think it's childish

This sudden assault on Shane as a person is an incredibly cheap shot and completely inappropriate. What he is or isn't like as a person or in private life (Something of which you know nothing whatsoever and which you, therefore, are in no position to judge) has absolutely nothing to do with what will and will not work for an ingame Ampharos. Please stop posting stuff like this, it makes not only you but also these forums as a whole look bad. -.-
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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
I'd think people over the twenty-years mark would have things to worry about such as university/jobs etc, and not something like pokémon

I'd think that people over the twenty-years mark should have the right to indulge in whatever hobbies they wish. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, after all. Okay, so his name is probably not Jack, but the point still remains.
Quote:

Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
... Oh dear. That probably sounded very noobish and defensive. Oh well. At least I made my point, hmm?

The only point you seem to be proving is Shane's.

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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
In any case, ampharos has pathetic stats (namely speed/sp attack/defense) and it is hard to get it a good moveset in R/S/E. It had a huge cut-down from the old games; and even in those, it possessed only under-used usefulness.

Again, you are incorrect. Ampharos' base Sp.Attack is 115, which is only 10 lower than what Zapdos has and certainly way above average. Its base Defense, on the other hand, is 70, which is pretty much average, but hardly weak like say Blissey's or Alakazam's. As for the learnset, it actually increased in usefulness due to the addition of Focus Punch and, in XD, Heal Bell. Please check your facts before posting, there's enough misinformation going around as it is.
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Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
At least it's a decent contest 'monner.

Anything capable of learning four moves can make it in contests, really, and even the ones that don't (Except maybe Beldum) could make it since a good preliminary result can easily account for 3/4 of your total score.

shanecdavis October 11th, 2006 5:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullmetalxFangirl (Post 2259760)
-sigh- I could rant for about an hour on how odd it is that people that are practially old enough to be my parent/grandparent are on sites like this (and give information on games ._.; ) when so many people my age and younger think it's childish ... but I won't because I have to study for exams. D: I'd think people over the twenty-years mark would have things to worry about such as university/jobs etc, and not something like pokémon (Rated 8+! OMG, THAT'S BASICALLY AO! o: QUICKLY, I SHOULD EVACUATE! THAT GOES FOR ALL OF YOU AS WELL! YOUR INNOCENT MINDS WILL BE STAINED!) ... Oh well. -.- A break from the hustle and bustle of life, ne?

... Oh dear. That probably sounded very noobish and defensive. Oh well. At least I made my point, hmm?

In any case, ampharos has pathetic stats (namely speed/sp attack/defense) and it is hard to get it a good moveset in R/S/E. It had a huge cut-down from the old games; and even in those, it possessed only under-used usefulness. At least it's a decent contest 'monner.

By the way, I hope you feel proud that you just 'shamed' a thirteen-year-old. ;D Congrats. You're moving up in the world.

LOL Thanks for the comical post. I won't bother stooping to flaming the way that you have. While I do appreciate your concern for my personal well-being, rest assured that my family is very well taken care of and that playing a game or visiting here for a half an hour each day does not cut into my responsibilities as a husband and father. LOL Seriously though, I have been on this site for a while now, helping kids new to the game become more educated and better at a game that they enjoy. I admit I will get salty when someone new comes in here with an attitude who thinks they know what they are talking about, when what they post says otherwise and they get all defensive and mean-spirited instead of taking the constructive criticism to heart and actually make themselves better. I apologize for 'shaming' you.

As for Ampharos stats, AE covered it quite well. Not only is its SAtk high, but it also has a decent base Atk, compared to other Electrics, allowing it to be more versatile. You don't like the movepool that Ampharos has, and that is fine, but the reality is that its movepool is just fine and it can be an effective Poke.

BTW - If you insist on questioning my personal life, please do so in a PM to me so that the other fine members here don't have to be subjected to it. Thanks.


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