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Richard Lynch December 22nd, 2006 10:22 PM

Dominated by Wallace...
 
I was playing Emerald, and I breezed through the Elite 4... maybe a bit of trouble with Salamence, but I came out of it all pretty good, and I was all high on myself... then I got to Wallace, and the guy totally tanked me! I have a pretty good team, with a strong Electric and a strong Grass type, and Wallace just walked right over me. It was actually so pitiful that it was funny.

I'm just wondering if anyone else is as amazed as I am at just how powerful a single-type team can be. I was always under the impression that a multi-type team (like your Rival in the original games) was the strongest kind of team you could have, but wow... Wallace is by far the most powerful Champion out of all the Pokemon games.

Signomi December 22nd, 2006 10:45 PM

Yeah, I had the same embarrassing kind of defeat when I battled Wallace. x_X I thought I had quite a good team myself until I battled him, bleh. I'm not exactly amazed as such, more like wanting to shake my fist at that single-type team than to be amazed by it. xP

shanecdavis December 23rd, 2006 3:40 AM

Not to be rude, but beating Wallace shouldn't be difficult at all. Wailord typically starts off with Rain Dance, so you should be packing Thunder to take advantage of that. If you remember, RD makes Thunder's accuracy 100%. Personally, I start out with Gardevoir and Calm Mind that first move and then abuse Thunderbolt. I do this because Tentacruel (iirc) is the next Poke that comes out. A STAB & CM Psychic makes Tentacruel cry. Ludicolo should be next. You switch out to a flier like Swellow or Crobat (Ludicolo is weak to Flying and Poison), or if you have Gardevoir like me you use Hypnosis. Wallace is too retarded to switch out, so you can CM up a few times and then sweep it without any problem with Psychic. The next Poke you face should be Milotic. Thunder here will eventually take it out. It also likes to use Toxic, which is why I use Lum Berry on my Gardevoir in the Weak5. With Gardevoir's Synchronize Ability, Milotic gets poisoned too, and Lum Berry heals Gardevoir. Beating Milotic is quite easy. Just damage it enough to where you know it will heal/Recover and then CM. A multiple CM'ed Thundebolts do the trick for me. The fifth Poke should be Gyarados, that happens to 4x weak to Electric attacks. Bzzzzzzzzzt. Fried Sea Serpent in one hit. Last but not least is Whiscash. Switching to a Grass move Poke = gg. Personally, my Gardevoir has CM'ed up enough to take on anything and makes short work of it.

That is one of many ways to beat Wallace.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ December 23rd, 2006 6:30 AM

Wallace was always easy for me because I always had an Manetric with me all the time and what Shane said was true

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

.Bastion December 23rd, 2006 7:41 AM

I didn't find him too difficult...I think challenging is a better word for my showdown with him.

I didn't have any problems because I was also using a CM + Thunderbolt Gardevoir and it wiped the floor with Wailord and Tentacruel. On Ludicolo I only had Salamence and Milotic left so I went ahead and took it out with Salamence. Milotic was the challenge. I called out my Milotic and they went into a Toxic battle. (They pretty much had the same moveset!) Except I used a chesto berry to get rid his Toxic while he kept using Full Restores when his health got too low. Eventually he ran out and the toxic ended up klling Wallace's Milotic. I used Salamence against Gyrados and it was funny because I kept using Headbutt but Gyrados kept flinching. So I beat him using headbutt...XD

Scarlet Weather December 23rd, 2006 9:00 AM

Heh... I had fun battling Wallace. It was tough because of my team, though- I had decided that in order to make the game a challenge, I was not allowed to rebattle trainers or run through tall grass for the sole purpose of earning experience points. The only exception I could make for this rule is if I was tracking down a particular Pokemon, such as Absol. It made everything harder, but I still had fun. CMed Gardevoir wiped the floor with the first two (Okay, so I had to use a hyper potion once. Big whoop.), and then he switched in Ludicolo. I had only CMed once, and Gardevoir doesn't know hypnosis, so I switched in Rayquaza. I then proceeded to pwn Ludicolo and do a bit of damage to Milotic before getting RQ knocked out with that annoying Ice Beam. So I switched in my Absol and got a lucky shot in with slash before getting knocked out. Gardevoir switches back in and delivers the finishing blow. Gyarados gets crispy fried. Wiscash appears. My Sceptile, who I have been saving for this moment, also appears. Critical Hit with Leaf Blade. Wiscash becomes a catfish fillet. VICTORY DANCE!!!

Yeah, I can beat Wallace using a team consisting of level 37 to 44 Pokemon and one uber who is good for one knockout before getting pwned by Ice Beam. Beat that!

Eruption December 23rd, 2006 9:03 AM

Funny, I beat him first time.

Richard Lynch December 23rd, 2006 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 2324622)
Not to be rude, but beating Wallace shouldn't be difficult at all. Wailord typically starts off with Rain Dance, so you should be packing Thunder to take advantage of that. If you remember, RD makes Thunder's accuracy 100%. Personally, I start out with Gardevoir and Calm Mind that first move and then abuse Thunderbolt. I do this because Tentacruel (iirc) is the next Poke that comes out. A STAB & CM Psychic makes Tentacruel cry. Ludicolo should be next. You switch out to a flier like Swellow or Crobat (Ludicolo is weak to Flying and Poison), or if you have Gardevoir like me you use Hypnosis. Wallace is too retarded to switch out, so you can CM up a few times and then sweep it without any problem with Psychic. The next Poke you face should be Milotic. Thunder here will eventually take it out. It also likes to use Toxic, which is why I use Lum Berry on my Gardevoir in the Weak5. With Gardevoir's Synchronize Ability, Milotic gets poisoned too, and Lum Berry heals Gardevoir. Beating Milotic is quite easy. Just damage it enough to where you know it will heal/Recover and then CM. A multiple CM'ed Thundebolts do the trick for me. The fifth Poke should be Gyarados, that happens to 4x weak to Electric attacks. Bzzzzzzzzzt. Fried Sea Serpent in one hit. Last but not least is Whiscash. Switching to a Grass move Poke = gg. Personally, my Gardevoir has CM'ed up enough to take on anything and makes short work of it.

That is one of many ways to beat Wallace.

Wailord has yet to start out with Rain Dance. Come to think of it, none of his Pokemon have used Rain Dance when I battles him. I have an Alakazam with a tanked Special Attack, but also a very very weak Defence. I was surprised that he didn't take out Tentacruel with one move... but he didn't.

My problem is that Wallace can cover his two weaknesses: Electric with Earthquake, and Grass with Ice Beam. My Magneton is probably my toughest Pokemon, got me through most of the Elite 4 (and took out that ice gal by himself). Gyradados uses Earthquake against my Magneton, and tkes it out with one hit. Milotic, amazingly enough, I didn't have a problem with.

It could also be I went after him with my highest Pokemon (Megneton) being level 45. LOL, but I caught Rayquaza last night to sort of help me out. So perhaps a bit more training is due.

But thanks for the advice!

ChrisG14 December 23rd, 2006 12:06 PM

Wallace is always a pushover. My Sceptile OKO'd Wailord, Ludicolo, Wiscash, and Milotic with Leaf Blade. Tentacurel got pwnd by Gardivor with Psychic, without Calm mind, and Gyrados gets pwnd by Gardivor with Thunderbolt, and volia, long credits.

Eruption December 23rd, 2006 12:08 PM

I did it with this team:

Swampert
Blaziken
Sceptile
Swellow
Rayquaza
forgot what last poke was

Richard Lynch December 23rd, 2006 12:44 PM

Pretty much the main purpose of this thread was to discuss which is more beneficial, or powerful:

a.) A multi-type team, like most people go with.

or

b.) A single type team, like Wallace or any of the Gym Leaders/Elite 4.

I would normally say a multi-type team, but I don't know. Single type teams can be pretty darn tough. And if you carry only one kind of Pokemon that is strong against it, and he gets taken out, then you're almost screwed. However, with facing a multi-type team, the chances are very likely that you have a pokemon to take out each of the others.

So I would say, if thought out well with move sets, etc, a single-type team is more powerful than a multi.

Clobarr13 December 23rd, 2006 3:31 PM

I agree with you, Graceofbaal.
That's why I wish that one of the games would give you the option of being a Gym Leader/ Elite Four member
There's just so many possibilities of coolness with a one-type team...

Idiot! December 23rd, 2006 9:47 PM

Insert random filler here.

Squeegee Beckenheim December 24th, 2006 4:16 AM

Wallace is tough if you are not prepared, but I have beaten Wallace with just my Blaziken and Raichu so he couldn't be much more tough than that.

Eruption December 24th, 2006 4:20 AM

It all comes down to three things.
Level.
Moveset.
Strategy.

Mudkip85 December 24th, 2006 4:25 AM

Well i developed my own strategy which could help conquer this gym with ease, i have two theories for both versions of the game as you will se why now.

This Gym is extremely hard if you are playing Ruby, but easy if you are playing Sapphire
First, if you're playing Sapphire. Catch Kyogre right away and it must have these moves: Surf, Thunder, Icebeam, and Calm mind.
When Kyrogre is sent out it will automatically rain because of its drizzle ability therefore not having to waste a turn using rain dance. Then, use Calm Mind three times and use Thunder to the rest of the Gym battle. Thunder will never miss because it is raining and it is best move for Kyogre.

Finally, strategy for Ruby. You need Lanturn, with Shock wave and Thunder bolt.
I suggest you should use Male one because of Milotic, because of it's attract move.
You can use Thunder Bolt until you win the Badge or there is another way to defeat this Gym.


~Kipper~

Eruption December 24th, 2006 4:27 AM

Yeah but he means on Emerald so Wallace is champ not gym leader.

Rune December 24th, 2006 4:30 AM

he's not too difficult but by far, he's the hardest trainer to beat but not really difficult. I don't even save before I battle him but of course I need merchandise.

Eruption December 24th, 2006 4:46 AM

He was hard in R/S as last gym leader but in E as the champ he's easier although in E that other 8th gym leader is rock.

Rune December 24th, 2006 4:49 AM

Actually, it depends on your Pokemon. He was easy in R/S for me because I got a good team

shanecdavis December 24th, 2006 5:32 AM

My apologies, graceofbaal. I misread your first post.

Single-type teams will ALWAYS fail against multi-type teams. Hmmmm, let me rephrase that. A GOOD Single-type team built by someone who knows what they are doing will ALWAYS fail against a GOOD multi-type team built by someone who knows what they are doing. Aside from Water-type (that has an ungodly amount of different options), single-type teams share too many of the same weaknesses to be truly effective.

I am still waiting for Game Freak to come out with a game that actually has a difficulty level and gym leaders/Weak5 that don't share the same faulty logic, but after reading about DP, I guess I will have to wait even longer.

Richard Lynch December 25th, 2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clobarr13 (Post 2325167)
I agree with you, Graceofbaal.
That's why I wish that one of the games would give you the option of being a Gym Leader/ Elite Four member
There's just so many possibilities of coolness with a one-type team...

That would be awesome beyong awesome. It also gives you a sort of trademark. Very few people I know of use an all-Steel team, like me. (Well, I lie... it's not all-Steel. I have a Claydol in mine, but about half of them have a Steel type LOL). And that's how all of my Pokefriends know me - as the Steel guy. And Steel only had two good weaknesses: both of which can be covered in most cases.

Also, Shanecdavis, I do agree with you to an extent. Water is an amazing type in these games, and one of my favourites. But I think any single-type team can cover their own weaknesses. Aggron can learn Surf and Solar Beam. Surf takes out Ground and Fire, Solar Beam takes out Water. I think he can learn a good Thunder move too.

With a multi-type team, you have the benefit of much more versatility. A truly powerful single type team, if you ask me, proves how good of a trainer you actually are, because it's harder to strategize. But if you know your weaknesses, you can formulate a single type team that is perhaps just as good as a multi-type, but with one difference: you are a master of that type.

Of course, this is just my opinion - I feel that the game is just for fun. I go into a battle wanting to win, but moreso I just want to have fun. Steel makes me happy. LOL, and that's all that matters when it comes to a video game. Just have some fun with it!

Ahegil December 25th, 2006 5:33 PM

shanecdavis LOL my all water team could blaze through it is conposed of: fralagtr
swampert
octillery
mantine
qwilfish
vaporeon

and im unbeatable my friend has a team of ubers and i can kick his butt

Paranoia December 25th, 2006 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graceofbaal (Post 2327055)
That would be awesome beyong awesome. It also gives you a sort of trademark. Very few people I know of use an all-Steel team, like me. (Well, I lie... it's not all-Steel. I have a Claydol in mine, but about half of them have a Steel type LOL). And that's how all of my Pokefriends know me - as the Steel guy. And Steel only had two good weaknesses: both of which can be covered in most cases.

Also, Shanecdavis, I do agree with you to an extent. Water is an amazing type in these games, and one of my favourites. But I think any single-type team can cover their own weaknesses. Aggron can learn Surf and Solar Beam. Surf takes out Ground and Fire, Solar Beam takes out Water. I think he can learn a good Thunder move too.

With a multi-type team, you have the benefit of much more versatility. A truly powerful single type team, if you ask me, proves how good of a trainer you actually are, because it's harder to strategize. But if you know your weaknesses, you can formulate a single type team that is perhaps just as good as a multi-type, but with one difference: you are a master of that type.

Of course, this is just my opinion - I feel that the game is just for fun. I go into a battle wanting to win, but moreso I just want to have fun. Steel makes me happy. LOL, and that's all that matters when it comes to a video game. Just have some fun with it!

Ahhahaha i disagree because your aggron is also weak to fighting which Btw my blaziken is a fighting type and it just happens that my blazikens speed is 200+ so ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Also Solarbeam will not take out water because it is a charge move you'll die b4 you get to shoot it so it doesnt really cover your weaknees, if they say bring out a lapras :P you'll be owneded

Also Steel is only Super Effective Against:
Rock and Ice

Which is crap if i bring out my Lapras and Glalie

what? December 25th, 2006 6:50 PM

i just captured the level 70 Rayquaza and beat Wallace w/ it :P


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