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Back on topic the graphics for actual gameplay are good, not looking in the background at a hexagon pokeball that was probaly put in there by the designers on purpose. I mean the arena's are beautiful they make me cry:'( . the trainers don't look too bad either, plus I don't look at the background when I'm having a wi-fi battle I'm focusing on my pokemon ( GO PIKACHU!!) and just enjoy the game, it's not like the pokemon start disapearing or messing up while your playing. you can't really say the graphics are bad unless you have your own copy of the game or have played the it and you see problems during gameplay. You can't just say the graphics are bad off of a video you seen on youtube or where ever. I made my judgement off of some nice clear videos I've seen. Until it comes out in the US and UK and you play it for yourself then you can get a good idea of what it looks like on your tv and can judge all you want.
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Those are the impatient ones >> If a game is delayed with a good reason, so be it. The company may have overestimated itself, or run into problems >> Battle Revolution seems to have been rushed to release. I mean, the Wii's only just been released, and there's a Polkamon game on it already? We haven't even got a Mario game or a Zelda game that was actually supposed to be on the system... ...I mean, if those games can take so long to produce, why not Polkamon? Is it because they believe everyone who plays it has the mind of a child, that they are easily impressed? Yes, I know the complexity of the battle system, but why not expand that? How about into the actual storyline? Something to break this idea that Polkamon is only for children? Something like the storyline for Polkamon Special? Heck, the creator of Polkamon [whose name escapes me at this moment] said that Polkamon Special was closer to his vision of what Polkamon should be. And that was made by a different company! So if they can do it, why can't GameFreak? I suspect it has something to do with sales. If the games are selling so well, why change them? I suppose you could say that the gamers may lose interest, but I doubt that. So GameFreak will continue to churn out by-the-numbers Polkamon games, and the fans will lap them up. |
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ARGH!!! Sometimes a 3 years old boy is more mature than he. Ash to me is so patetic, he is in his journey since he was a real kid, but instead of growing up a little, he´s more childsh now than when we were at the Kanto league on TV. At least they should make two versions of it, one more mature, and other for kids!:\ Also it don´t need to be a gun, it could be a fist, why not? In Digimon, they do this, in Dragoon Ball they do this and in a hell of cartoons they do it, EVEN ASH TRIED TO PUNCH MEWTWO IN THE FIRST MOVIE!:shocked: :laugh: Quote:
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Also what´s the problem introducing some violence into the anime, or the game? Many 6 yo boys play Resident evil, Black, Mortal Kombat and others much more violents than pokemon will ever be. And you see, they enjoy it very much! Actually I think they should start all over in each journey they did (Kanto, Jotho, etc). Because when a possible new fan watch the anime it would in the same time turn off the TV WHY? Because they don´t know HOW it starded, how it works, what´s a gym, what´s a trainer, etc. And for not understading they will not like the concept of Pokémon NEVER. |
Ash has got more childish by each series up to yet. Even more so with the Current Voiche Actor, Even more high pitched than the Kanto Years.
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Anywho back on topic, I think it'll be reverting back to the Stadium 1/2 Days so it won't be worth £40-$80 (Not sure on Americas current currency). But yeah, not looking too promising is it? |
On a complete random and separate opinion, here comes waka's rant XD:
OK, so, graphics? I mean, come on, it's a Pokémon game. You don't expect it to be fully realistic, plus, like someone's mentioned a long time ago, the YouTube videos' quality is quite the one comparable to crap itself, so it's really hard to see. What about that hexagon ball? Maybe it was created on purpose? You've seriously got to admit that some of the stages, despite being short were beautifully well done, and it seriously is considered top-notch for a console like Wii. And about the gameplay, I really think this is an expansion for D/P. There really isn't a storyline, and I think this is really supposed to be another way to battle with your D/P Pokémon online in 3D. The real plus of this game is the online and the DS connectivity, period. |
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I still like R/B/Y. Even if their graphics suck, they're still fun games. I don't like FR/LG more because they're from GBA, it's because the did a remake, rather than including new things like berries and contests (not that I dislike them, I just think they don't suit well with old games) |
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Threads like these = lol.
Yes, I admit, I would have wanted them to redo all the Pokemon, but that really isn't an option. The new ones look fecking awesome, a lot of old ones were redone, and the others were soothed over a bit. My biggest complaint is Suicune's tails, but I can live with it. I also dislike some of the slow attack animations, but in the first contact Pokemon game And what is up with the random Ash discussion. Do any of you even still watch the anime? Voices are irrelevant, Ash has definately grown throughout the series. And I haven't seen any endless friendship blather in a long time. It's lots more subtle and believable as of recent. While we all know the anime is rather repetitive, that's never gonna change. Collosseum's plotline was innovative, a little forced, too short, but still good. XD improved it in every way imaginable--excellent, imo. Stop complaining, people. One plot subject repeat is better than the same stadanrd "version" game rpg we've seen over and over" (I'm not dissing the version games, btw.) A battling game is welcome, but now. Jamming a plotline into PBR would have ruinined it. It's thread like this, honestly... *shakes head.* ~Chibi~ And wtf is up with all the crap over the haxagon Poke ball? It was obviously intentional, game over. *kills all discussion of it with a spoon.* |
I made this topic because I´m probably the first here to get SICK AND TIRED of a Pokémon game being made in a hurry TO SELL!
This repetitive scene should finish, for the integrity of Pokémon, because one day this will be SO repetitive that most of the ones playing it will get sick and tired of the prehistoric pokémon gameboy style. The most wonderfull games in history took YEARS to be done. And PBR was made in about 6 months! Even the Wii don´t completed 6 months yet! What would happen to a pokemon game if they make it slowly but completely well done? |
I realize that. Heck, Red and Blue took ages to to complete, if I remember completely. But did it ever occur to you that they probably started making PBR before the Wii came out? There is no way in hell that they made it in 6 months. And even if they did, what else could they have done (besides revamping all the Pokemon)?
And by repetitive do you mean gameplay? It's a battling game. Nothing more, nothing less. And the point still is that Pokemon, now and forever, is a handheld series. You want gripping plotline that'll take you hundreds of hours to finish? Go play Mystery Dungeon. Go nostalgia and play Crystal. PBR is for battlers. And to be honest...they could make the best Pokemon game on earth and people would still complain about it Y'know, anyone who can't figure out the central theme of this post gets a whack. Among other things: Why do you want a storage ststem? That's pretty minor, and I wouldn't even call it desirable. Like I want my Pokemon stuck on a consode to play with them. The remixed voices in Stadium 2 were annoying. Zapdos and Mewtwo in particular. Considering that characters are not the main focus of Pokemon games, the trainer customization is good enough. And what difference would it make if the trainer put the Poke ball into their pocket? Totally irrelevant ~Chibi~ |
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Icha, Kaku and Waka win this thread. Bombsey would too, for having his own, different, but not biased opinion about PBR, but I'm afraid that talk about 'Polkamon' puts him just below the you-win-this-thread-mark. n_n And because I feel like it, here comes my rant:
Ho-hum, where to start... oh yeah, the graphics! Why are you complaining about the re-using of old models? Most of them look fine (though I still wish Aerodactyl's graphics would be changed. <.<) and remodeling all old Pokémon would take a ridiculously long time, especially considering they have all the old ones to remodel too. =| You're also forgetting the real eye candy in this game: the stadiums, and even more, the attack effects. (Hail, Ice Beam and Rain Dance, anyone?) So what if they used a hexagon for the Pokéball graphics for one of the arenas? That might very well be intentional. It wouldn't even take them a minute longer to make it ball-shaped. As for the complaint on the systems: the trainer customization and Pokémon actually making physical contact (even though the Pokémon still don't really bite eachother with Bite, Crunch, Ice Fang etc.) are very nice features along with your D/P Pokémon gaining experience. And need I say a Pokémon MMORPG would have the word failure printed all over on it with capital letters? How would the battles work? Would battles take place wherever you are at the moment you encounter the Pokémon or would the trainer be transported to a battle arena that matches the environment, and if so, would the trainer be visible for others or would it just dissappear when the battle starts and reappear when the battle ends? None of these options sound very good to me. ._. All areas would also have to be huge and that is totalky not Pokémon. In Pokémon games you're meant to walk to the otherside of the world in a couple of minutes. And on top of that, MMORPGs are always full of clueless n00bs who just go around saying ''Lol give me gold plz. >:'', ''i dunno how 2 poste. teach me plz'', ''I n00b give me stuff' and ''[CENSORED] you for not giving me stuff!'' That would be a nightmare. ._. And seriously, do you really expect the games to become anymore else than what they are now? They're either completely battle-based or have a beat the evil team, defeat the gymleaders, become a champion-plot and that'll never change. And please stop whining about how the Pokémon franchise is childish. The anime and games are meant for kids. If you want more mature Pokémon stuff, might I suggest you go and read the Pokémon Adventures manga? Scans for the first 8 volumes (soon to be 9, I think) have been posted on PC and are free for anyone to view. Anyway, back on topic. Quote:
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Let me explain: When you say it´s a battling game you mean that it don´t need a RPG feature to be good, right? So PBR is like a Stadium. And when Stadium was created there were no space in the prehistoric 64´s cartidge, so a RPG would never fit in it. Things changed when the GameCube came out. Now it was a Mini DVD with about 30 times more space than a 64´s cartridge, and thus came Colosseum and XD, WITH RPG IN IT. And now with a normal sized DVD it can store 3 times more data than a GameCube´s disc, and a 3 times more stronger processor, the Nintendo Wii could EASILY run 3 PBRs at the same time, so why not to put an RPG mode, and other cooler features in it? Why rush to release such a game? Quote:
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Oh, come on, people always complain about everything, no matter how good or bad it is.
Just relax and judge the game by how much you can enjoy it. Yeah, of course it's annoying that they didn't remodel all the Pokémon, but honestly, I don't get why people must be so awfully negative about every damn thing that they wanted and happens not to be there. There will never be a video game that is absolutely everything you wished for, period. Just accept it; think, "Ah, well, it didn't have this, but it did have this and that," and then either get the game or don't get it depending on whether you think you can still enjoy it. What's the big deal about whining and calling it crap all over? I don't like the Stadium model of Arcanine either, but that doesn't suddenly make me go on a hissy fit about how crappy the game is and the world is ending. :/ It's still fun. |
Nyu, agreeing with Dragonfree here. Seriously, this whole thread seems like one big flame bait and a lot of folks seem to be taking it. -.-
If you don't like BR then don't play it. If you're going to play it anyway, then what's the point of all this whining? Whining like a hurt little animal about how awful the game is while at the same time saying that you're going to play it anyway is just plain silly. I mean, if you're going to play it flaws or no then what's the point of complaining? Just keep it to yourself, no need to went your personal gripes on PC. xP |
Any kind of plot would be better than the plotless games we have been given. It doesn't have to be dark.
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Plot makes a game a hell of a lot more enjoyable, and playable. And for the second time [oh yay!], I spell Pokémon as Polkamon because I do not feel I should spend the time to type it out correctly. Hey, most people spell it as Pokemon or Poke'mon anyway, so what's the big deal? I could comment on your grammar, but I won't. |
Alright... ><
I'm not saying that PBR wasn't rushed. They just probably new that with the huge influx of P/P Pokemon, people would be dying for WiFi 3D battling, and that's what they gave us. The RPG was the focus of Colosseum and XD, while the battling was just some sort of side bonus. PBR's main focus is battling. It was not made with the intent of satisfying the need for a long, gripping plotline. Some more Stadium-ish features would have definately made it better, I agree, but the point still remains that Pokemon is first and foremost a handheld sries. I doubt we'll ever get an in-depth 3D game. But who cares? People complained about Diamond and Pearl too, and this whole generation is just driving me crazy because of whining fans. And Bombsey--I always thought you spelled Pokémon that way to make fun of it like that Weird Al song. xD ~Chibi~ |
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But I´m still a fan, and I like pokémon, and I can´t accept how the pokemon concept is being so badly used by it´s owners. :disappoin |
Sorry to uhm change/bump the topic a little, but I wanna point out some things..
As much as you can say, the Pokemon Co. is very rich, that does not mean they'll just be happily spending all of that money. Business people LOVE money. (Okay, that's overexaggerating juuuust a bit.....But you get it..) Now, we see little kids out and about everywhere. There are obviously a little more kids than teens and adults yes? Sooo...When you have business people and a huge audience, the business people would target the huge audience. They don't care about spending the money as much, they care about MAKING it. And who's the target of those business people? Kids. Why kids? 'Cause there's a huge lot of them. What do young children like to do when the new Pokemon game comes out? They yell and scream to their parents "MOMMY MOMMY I WANT THIS POKEMON GAME!! IT'S SOOO COOL!!!" (.......I'm pretty ashamed to say this but I was one of those kids...ahaha....^^;; ) Now, when the kid goes home with his new game, he rips open the glossy shrink wrap, unveiling a glowing, holy box of 10 hours worth of entertainment...No eating..no sleeping..potty breaks every three hours.....Ahhh the feeling of...Wait I'm talking about little kids aren't I...? I mean, they'll rip open the shrink wrap and jump around to get big brother to put in the game console. Will those children actually take the time to ANALYZE THOROUGHLY the blue Pokeball in the background? Do they even know what a hexagon is? (Actually hexagons refer to a six sided object, rather than a 3D object.) So after a week, the game is thrown to the side to be replaced by something "cooler" and "funner"... Well that's a cliched story for you. Of course that doesn't actually happen in many houses, but my point is: If you're rich, and you have the money, business hot shots would wanna make more money, and how do you do that? Through persuading kids to persuade their parents. Plus...remodeling way over 300 Pokemon? Has anyone ever tried modeling and rendering...? It's....painful (for large projects anyway) and extremly time consuming....Despite the large amount of money they might have, you also consider the company they gotta hire, the number of designers, the music composers, editors, script writers, coding people, directors, sound people, etc. There's so many of them to keep track of..x_X But back to what I wanted to get at with this point: Modeling is a pain in the butt. It might seem a little easier to REmodel, but hey, that's hard too. you gotta get certain math stuff (coordinates and measurements..) right and everything. One miscalculation and you can end up with a spiky cheekbone. (Ewww...) So who wants to spend ALL that time to do just that, when some little kids are just gonna put it off to the side anyway? Teens, are of course, slightly different...They might end up playing the game at random moments (Like for me for instance, I still play Pokemon Puzzle League and STadium....I have several moments where I just HAVE to play them but end up whining about it...) But here's the thing: Not many teens are gonna BUY the things 'cause it's not sophisticated to them. I'm not saying Pokemon should be sophisticated, but to attract a wide amount of teenagers to buy an item would mean making certain things sophisticated and mature enough for them. And Pokemon sophisticated? If not a little, than no way. Maybe in fanfics and somewhat in the first movie, but never in the official stuff. And to add an additional point: Think about those people who have to go through all of that stress and work just to provide us models of the new Pokemon alone!! If you were hired and told to remake a Dragonair, it would probably take you at least a month to get it nice and pretty. Okay, now that you've got Dragonair, what about the other 100 Pokemon you gotta work on? And when you're done with THAT there's the rendering of the backgrounds and the people and even the trainers themselves. Lemme tell ya, even professionals have a hard time with that. (Though if you've seen Shrek, you'd have a laugh with all the mess ups Dreamworks has created hehe...) 'Cause it takes up so much time and energy and..THINKING... Also consider that those people have a life too. There's family and children and friends, possibly drama going on. I sure as heck wouldn't be very happy sitting in front of the computer for 10 long hours just trying to get a detail right while I have friends and family to be being with. Sure they love their job but you know people need a break from what they love too once in a while. TO CONCLUDE EVERYTHING: I think we should just be HAPPY we even have a Pokemon Wii game out. I've been dreaming about something like this since the Wii came out and I'm pretty darn happy about it!! Better something rather than nothing!! 10% is better than 0%! So let's not hear any more complaints, punch a fist in the air and yell out YEAH I GOT PBR!!!!! when we get it!!!!! :D Also I think a closing of this thread would be nice......Unless other people want to share their opinions about this as well? Spoiler:
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No, actually 2 minutes! Do you know why? Well, today they don´t make a 3d model out of lines and numbers, etc, anymore... Let me explain: If you have a sculpture, or a toy like this: http://www.toysnjoys.com/pokemon/talkingmanafi.jpg Simply put it into a professional scanner and...... You get a pokemon model!!!!! That´s why the last generation of pokemons are so perfect in PBR! And that´s why, I think they COULD, AND SHOULD, "remodel" every single pokemon. Quote:
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once again, I was disappointed with what game freak did. Another "made to sell" pokemon game. Don´t get me wrong, I kinda like PBR, but I can bet that this game is not what you, me and a hole lot of red/blue/yellow generation of pokemon fans were hopping for, when the Nintendo Wii was first shown as "Nintendo Revolution". |
What a waste of thread and space and posting and everything in between.
You're judging a video game through YouTube videos. How lame is that? You have not even seen the game on its console nor do you own it nor have you played it. Please, next time, play and beat the actual game before you make posts like this. You're making assumptions and jumping to conclusions because of YouTube videos. If I based the quality of something through its YouTube video, I'd not watch animé nor play video games. =/ Honestly, duuuuuuuuuuuude, just what were you thinking? Don't you know better? |
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And as for the people complaining about the Wii's graphics. The Wii has fantastic graphics, granted, they are not as good as 360 or UrineS3, but they are a helluva lot better than UrineS2, XBox, and Gamecube. |
Let's have our cake and eat it, too, people. Senseless complaining isn't very becoming. Did PBR drop the ball in some areas? Yup. Am I going to complain about it? Nope. GS is a relatively inexperienced company, and the targetted audience is something completely different than what the other systems are going for. Can you wish it were more oriented towards you? Sure. Is it ever going to happen? Not really.
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PBR is an awesome game, sure some of the characters and pokemon are a bit blocky, but the majority of it is fine, and besides, when you're wifi battling you don't even notice. |
GameFreak have been around for more than ten years.
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True... Gamefreak isn't too be blamed.
But you know, the Wii wasn't suppose to have totally amazing graphics. Its more about being interactive, and less about killer graphics.. So it figures that BR isn't as awesome, graphic-wise, as some would've hoped. Still, it'll be fun to play. |
Although, in the same context, one has imagine what it'd be like to have Pokemon in HD... *sighs* We won't see that for another seven-ten years, at least.
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Let´s put like this: If the qualities in PBR are the wi-fi and "original" and interactive features, so what PBR can do in a wii that it can´t do in other system? PS3 and XBOX 360 have wi-fi connection too. And if "original" and interactive means put some clothes in your character, so you don´t played The Sims, and maaaaaaaaaany others that had this same feature decades ago. |
Thats all true acrof. PBR seems kinda crapy with the 1st and 2nd generation pokemon. I think it iz because they didnt have alot of pokemon models -like the manaphy one- then put it in a prof. scanner. But they couldve used some pokemon from Stadium 2 or even 1 -aswell as the pokemon sounds eg: gastly still sounds the same-.
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I have not played PBR but I have played Colloseum and XD, gale of darkness and those games have the most bad graphics of all games I have ever played. Even Stadium to N64 is better. The movements of pkmn is not well done, they cannot even walk to their opponent when attacking (luckily, this is changed in PBR). In pkmn DP the movements when they attack are not well done either.
In Colloseum the Pokémon looks plastic, they have few details and they are pointy. My friend is also complaining about this, even if he does not play any of the games. At least PBD is much better than pkmn Colloseum, but it seems the Pokémon games will always have the graphics of the console before the console they are released to. (colloseum could have been released to N64 with silimar graphics, D/P to GBA but maybe without the 3D and the need of the touch screen) Only the first games, Green/Red/Blue and Stadium are well done, but after all it was the first games and no one knew that Pokémon would be so popular. They had to do their best then, but now it seems that they do not try to achieve as much as they did then because there is no risk of Pokémon stops selling. Some people say that the grapics of the Pokémon games are well done and the designers cannot do it any better, but how can Square release Final Fantasy with such good graphics then? The game designers of Pokémon do not have to make the games looking like FF's graphics, because that is very hard, but at least they could make them a little better. (When I'm talking about graphics I am comparing to other games released to the same game console and during about the same year.) |
To counter, Final Fantasy III for the DS had terrible graphics, and I'd place D/P's far above them. Pokemon is not designed to be 'realistic' like Final Fantasy attempts to do. The odds of a photo-realistic Pokemon game within the next ten years is so slim that I'd laugh at anyone who'd suggest it. It's not in the game's style.
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There are games that looks more cartoon than realistic, but the graphics can still be good. I was dissapointed in Zelda Windwaker, but still the graphics are better than in Pokémon.
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For me, a good graphic isn´t a photo-realistic one.
For me well constructed graphics are much better, I would preffer a killing 2D game than a sucky 3D one. Also by exploring the plataform´s limits you can make amazing games, even after years, many SNES games looks awesome due to it´s graphic structure. EX: *Bahamut Lagoon (an animated gif, yay!): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Bahamut_Lagoon_Battle.gif *Seiken Densetsu 3 (Secret of Mana 2): http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/SD3.gif *Tales of Phantasia: http://nintendoforever.free.fr/SNes/TalesOfPhantasia/TOP_fichiers/TOP_Decor.jpg *Terranigma (so well done that you may not belive that is a SNES game): http://www.svatopluk.com/terranigma/terra099.png By showing this, you may notice how many of these games have better garphics than many DS games out there, why not better than D/P? And they were made in 1994-1996 ! More than 10 years! These same games took about 2 years to be done in the SNES but, as result, we got those amazing games. I would love Game Freak to do that, imagine, what would be the final result? A game that will be so well constucted that would take years to be outdated! |
I don´t own the truth.
That´s only my opinion.;) |
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Sure, the point of the game are battles.
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I said I was contemplating not buying the game because of the fact that some of the graphics have not improved over TWO generations. Because they didn't take the time to re-do something that basic, it really makes me think that they didn't really give 100% when making this game. |
I think the graphics in the SNES games are better than the pkmn games to GBA and DS. But I have seen a SNES game looking like Pokémon though.
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i loved stadium 1 and 2 and loved colluseum coz it was a new way to play. it really helped me with double battles. and when i saw the video for this game i was amzed my jaw dropped! im 23 and loved pokemon since the beginning. i have no problems with the graphics or the fact theres no story mode coz its got wi-fi aswell!! come on this game is gonna be great!!!
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Pokémon itself is the only thing that make this kind of game to sell.
If it was a final fantasy or smth like that, there would be lots of complains. PBR feature list: Graphics= sucks... Originality= sucks... Story= none... wi-fi= great! Trainer customization= it´s not recent but, great! total= only 40% of this game is worth the money you pay in it. |
Hmm, PBR honestly looks like something the N64 is capable of, I am more a Megadrive / SNES fellow myself, I usualy do not mind out of date graphics, atleast when it is A: a rerelease or B: On an old console. But PBR takes the cake, I could stand Col and XD having N64 graphics as of how many monsters there are now and none are recolours, but the Wii is much more powerful than the N64, so it could run a better graphical standard and the software has a larger storage capability so it could contain all the monsters at a higher graphical level.
There are no excuses for it being rushed, if memory serves there was atleast 2 years between G/R and the Japanese Stadium 2(Rest of the world's Stadium 1). I doubt many people would complain if they took their time to update all the models to atleast be upto date. I will buy it, but not impressed. @ Everyone who says Wii is not as powerful as 360 and PS3 as an excuse, it is also more powerful than an N64 ;) atleast sixfold. |
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But why does Stadium have better graphics than Colloseum that was released 4 years later?
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*Lazy/unprepared 3d modelers
*Rushed game conversion from 64DD to GameCube *it´s pokémon (for me it´s an excuse) I simply can´t understand why some people say that good graphics can´t work together with pokemon, and they would defend that with their lives...:knockedou |
In another thread here at the forum, about Pokémon touching when striking each others, I've read that some people think that it is bad . . . when Pokémon have physical contact in battle. I don't understand how people can think that. Do some people want it to be bad graphics and all that?
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-_- seriously, why do we go through this kind of thing every time a new Pokemon game comes out?!
This or that is crap... WHY EVERY TIME?! Can't any of you see a good game. One major thing that you can't realize is: POKEMON ISN'T FINAL FANTASY, SO STOP COMPARING THE TWO!!! Anyway, can't you guys just do what I do, buy the game, regardless of this or that, and then enjoy it because it's another Pokemon Game?! Mooshykris |
Personally, I never really got into the Pokemon stadium, Gale of darkness, Collesium kind of style. But there is always room for a first. After Johto, i kinda lost interest in the TCG and the video games. But i expect great things from D/P and Battle Revolution
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I would be able to stand the graphics if it was full blown game.
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im getting a PS3, ...this is just a killer in a bad way. though peryl and diamond makes up for it.. the handheld ones were always betta |
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Why? Well I hate Nintendo because of all the mistakes they do, like renaming the Nintendo Revolution to Nintendo Wii, for example. I hate M$ because they think only in $$$, look for the 3RL problem, they could fix the XBOX 360, free of charge, but they want about U$ 170 to do the job! I hate Sony because of it´s agressive marketing, because of that many other enterprizes had to stop their activities, 3DO, Sega for example. Sony executives love to say that PS3 is better, and even said that IT SELLS MORE THAN WII!:laugh: BUT of course I love many games of them.;) Quote:
Every little thing was perfect in this commercial, I still have it in my HD ("There´s a place where shadow pokemon live"...) I love this commercial. BUT, is Colosseum that great? So, you should never buy a game just because there´s "pokemon" written in the title. If the media says that PBR is awesome, go find yourself. You may discover how manipulated you are, watch out. If Game Freak released a game named POKEMON SAMEXHIT VERSION , even being the worstest game ever, would you buy it, no? But fanatic fans would still buy it. |
You point out too much that this game has no story or originality. But it is not THIS game, it's Pokémon in general.
In my opinion, it's very creative. Non-turn-based battles are okay for other games, but Pokémon has its style. You have to think a lot for a competitive Pokémon battle, which is not better or worse than a normal fighting game. About the lack of story, well....THIS IS NOT AN RPG. It's just a battling game, where you can battle in Pokémon-style. Colosseum and XD were really out of place. If you want a story, buy any of the other Pokémon Games. But these are mostly for better graphicsc because apart from the compatibility with the cartridges, what you can do isn't so exciting (though this game looks kind of different) So well, I like the Pokémon the way it is, even if Nintendo doesn't want to spend time remodeling the Pokémon. In the end, it's gameplay what counts. |
That´s why I think pokemon is still alive, becuse of it´s originality. (Pokemon, NOT PBR)
Remove that, and even the best graphics game would die. Pokemon is still here, alive and strong, because we like it and support it. No matter how pitiful the game is, what count is the pokemon main idea, but if I were they, I would be cautelous, even the greatest ideas need support from it´s creator. |
IMO, I think people are bashing this game when its still very early to be considered "Finished" early on models will look terrible and sure this may look like the glorified versions of the 64 games RIGHT NOW but alas there is still probably alot of touching up needing to be done. Thats just my 2 cents though.
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Er, The.Shadow.of.Dawn, it's been out for a while now, they can't touch up a released game. ;) Hopefully, they spend a while on the next game and quit using GS, who are obviously cutting corners.
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They shouldn't have made PBR so early. Let us enjoy D/P a bit more. And, this way, they could take more time to think about the N64 Graphics and how they look with new ones.
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Holy crap, after reading the first post of this thread, I figured out that there IS idiots who whine about the smallest things in games.
Does it affect your gameplay? No. Does it ruin the game? No. What the hell are you complaining about? And besides the hexagon pokeball, Youtube has crappy graphics. Try stage6.divx.com and THEN tell me how horrid the graphics are. You obviously made no effort in this post, except some irratation you had to whine about in a video game. |
umm....yeah i just now noticed that. lol sorry, i had confused myself with the release date. SO i do appologize ^^;;\
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Ok, "idiot": I WATCHED EVERY STAGE6 PBR VIDEOS, AND THE GRPHICS STILL SUCKS! It´s not the site, it´s the game. Also I´m not ONLY based in youtube videos, I did a long research in many sites, watched maaany movies at youtube and stage6 and other, along with reviews from many sites. So, when I said that I was based on opinions from all over the world, and I created my own opinion about the game, and posted. I really don´t care about graphics, I still play many SNES, N64, GENESIS, etc, games on my respective systems, but I HATE when they put old generation graphics in the new generation games. Would you like to have Gold/Silver sprites in Diamond/Pearl, even if it wouldn´t change the game play??????? Here´s a little demonstration made by me: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg (MWHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:badsmile: ) |
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I agree about graphics of old and new games. I don't care if the graphics are bad and its an old game. To me, Little Samson's (a NES game from '93) has awesome graphics because they are, for a NES game. They are better than Colloseum's and BR's graphics, because the years the games were released.
pkmn Stadium was release about 4 years before Colloseum and even if you don't compare to the release year it still has better graphics than Colloseum. I like the pkmn sprites from the old GB games better than the new ones, but that is not the graphic though; it's more the style of them, like Lizardon's/Charizard's wings is much bigger in the old games and Gous/Gastly doesn't look like a cannonball but the gas it really is. |
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I personally think the PBR graphics are amazing. They're realistic yet retain the Pokemon style. That's a good thing - we wouldn't want them to not look like Pokemon, right? And I don't mind not having a storyline, it's much more like the Stadium games, which I liked much more than Colosseum and XD, anyway. The lack of minigames upsets me, but the time I'd take up playing minigames would probably be taken up by customizing my character. It saves time, more time for battles! I really think BR is going to be the best Pokemon console game to date.
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Ummmmm, since when did graphics depict how good a game was. The story does, in this, PBRs sucks.
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Gameplay in PBR is OK (although there´s no use for the motion sensitive remote), but there´s no story, and it´s using many 3D model from the nintendo 64, so it sucks. |
This entire game is 10 fold compared to the majority of the hacks in the hack section... if you get what I'm saying... there are probably at most 10 good hacks there... Pokemon Ice being #1 =P seriously. I see more posts saying some of the horrid hacks are good, and they have like a pixel changed... so yeah if you're complaining about this, I'll go lay my opinion on a few other topics... and if you still wanna complain about it, lets see YOU do better, not your best friend's cousin's uncle's sister's game programming husband who does excellent models, YOU...
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i dont think this game is going to have those bad graphics i think that those were only tests for the battle system useing the old pokemon stadium graphics, why? mabey to not watse a bunch of time putting graphics just to find out it doesn't work if that was me i would not waste valuable time like that would you also the nintendo company may not have wanted the real graphics to be released just in case as to not let the competition steal them.
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Maybe that person had a falty game?
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I think PBR is going to be a good game because it goes back to the roots of Pokemon Console games and focuses primarily on battles. Although I guess one could complain about the lack of story, I think it'd be better left to the handhelds until they can come up with something better next time.
One thing I do have a problem with is that why doesn't this (or most games for that matter) let you create an old man character? That would be awesome! ;p |
I think the best Nintendo could do would be creating a MMORPG with good 3D Graphics for Computer, Game cube and other systems. If i imagine if i could choose being a trainer (or Pokémon, whatever you like to be), or even a Team Rocket Member in a good programmed Pokémon MMORPG it would be very cool.
Of course they should use some unique Battle Modes and create a large world like in WoW, or other Online games. I don´t know if you would like such an idea, but for me it would be the perfect Pokémon game which could be played in different ways. Even if you would choose being a photograph could be fun, or be an officer to prevent Pokémon crime, which is organized by other players who play member of a Team (Magma, Rocket etc.). *dreaming* |
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To put this in perspective of how it is, you people think a fancier checkers set is better than a cardboard checkers set, but you're forgetting that it's still the same game and rules. It's still checkers. This thread is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Bad graphics don't make a bad game, unless it's glitched graphics or solid color graphics. Over half of the people replying to this thread haven't even played the GAME and seen it on their own TV screen! They just watched the crappy resolution of Youtube videos and start whining! If it's bad graphics, does that make it no longer the Pokemon games we've always loved? Quote:
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i think that the graphics are great!! i will buy the game for sure!! is there also online battling??
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What did you expect from Genius Sonority? They didn't even bother to update Pokemon's cry.
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But the reason I posted in this thread is to ask you, Acrof, if this is your definition of a good Pokémon game. It lacks everything you think makes a good Pokémon game: a good storyline and good graphics, but you also decided to rape the best part of Pokémon: the battle system. It is a good game indeed, sir.[/SARCASM] |
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First of all, my computer is old and can´t do much more to help, second I don´t have much time to waste to make this game. So if you think that my game sucks that much, Why don´t you give us the pleasure to show a game made by you?:badsmile: At least I tried with what I´ve got here in my home. |
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Secondly, the game isn't in Nintendo 64 graphics. I have no idea where you got that from. Maybe a FEW things look SIMILAR, but it's not like the whole game is. Also, from what I've seen of your 'game' that Smarties-kun posted a link to, you don't seem to be the best judge of graphics. |
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Maybe all of you can´t belive, but I have a collection of video-games from the old ones to the last-gen ones. Here is an old pic of them ;) (Nintendo DS Lite and my Xbox 360 are not in these picture because the pictures are old) : http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/tudo.jpg Oh! and here is a pic of my handhelds: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/portaeis.jpg I just HATE when they put outdated graphics in a new game, Would you like to see Diamond and Pearl with Gold/Silver graphics??? http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg *PS:Actualy the original japanese Pokemon Stadium IS a 10 year old game. (the one wich came before Stadium 2 and 3) Quote:
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OK, no money + ancient computer + lack of time = not that good graphics: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/luta.jpg Don´t forget that my game IS NOT FINISHED,AND SO IS THE BATTLE SYSTEM, Ok? Stupidies-Kun. And to tell me that I´m not a good judge of graphics, first ALL OF YOU should play at least 10 games in 10 different systems. Hehehe, you see, I´m a gamer, and by being so I DON´T PLAY ONLY POKÉMON, and I know when a game is good or not for it´s standards. |
I haven't played BR so I cannot say much about it, but I know that Stadium's graphics are better than Colloseum's and that I think strange since Colloseum is newer and to GC. And when you miss in Colloseum, the pkmn does not attack at all! (hope it isn't like this in BR). Stadium is different; they attack before they can miss.
I wouldn't care so much about the bad graphics in Colloseum and Game of Darkness, if the games were not so slow. A game like Stadium and BR, where you only battle, can have fights that takes longer time, since the only thing you do is battle. But in Colloseum you want to train and the battles take too much time (luckily the music is good though). The Pokémon does not even attack directly after you have chosen command, but some seconds afterwards. I wished Colloseum would have been a little quicker in battles and I wouldn't complain on its graphics so much. I don't complain on Green Version's graphics, since it IS an old game and it's the fastest battles of all pkmn games. I don't think Battle Revolution is so bad, after all they run to their opponent when they strike. It was so amazing to see when I watched a video of BR. It was almost hard to believe. |
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You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass. Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters. Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy. |
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