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Innagadadavida May 12th, 2007 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2476669)
Lol, retard! =\

You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.

Something bad is going to happen to you, by the moderators...

Typhlosion King May 12th, 2007 9:14 AM

I don't think the graphics are all that bad. I still might get this game. It looks interesting enough.

acrof May 12th, 2007 11:06 AM

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Lol, retard! =\

You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.
:laugh:
You are ridiculous.
Can´t you at least try to act like a civilized person?

I think someone needs a doctor, and some tranquilizers too.

Typhoon May 12th, 2007 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2476669)
Lol, retard! =\

Yeah, real nice thing to say, tough guy

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2376669)
If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

That's someone's opinion.

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2376669)
Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.

Same thing could be said to some other people.

A person's opinion about a game shouldn't lead anyone to such heated arguments. Simply accept the fact that some people like graphics, and some people like gameplay, and discuss maturely what could be done, what doesn't need to be done, what could be improved, etc. Discussions like these boil down to your own personal opinion, which you should definitely share, but not try to force onto anyone else.

Cross May 12th, 2007 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoon (Post 2477982)
Discussions like these boil down to your own personal opinion, which you should definitely share, but not try to force onto anyone else.

If you'd notice, this guy keeps yakking on and ON about how they could've made graphics better.
Then when we state our opinion, he shoves down our throats his opinion of "LOL the grafiks suk on dis game!1"

And Acrof, watch this video, and before you watch it, hit the Normal Size button next to the full screen button. Then talk about the graphics. =\

If the game has a narrator that speaks every Pokemons name and announces death, switches and entrys, plus the game has to contain all the attack animations, plus all the Pokemon models and arenas models, plus mathmatical info, stat info, AR/GS detecting system and everything else, its almost 100% assursed the graphics aren't perfect because GF used so much information and data to start.

And have you, may I ask, seen the game on your own personal living room TV? Or have you watched Youtube videos?

I saw it at my friends house, and the graphics are equal (if not better) than previous Pokemon console graphics.

Smarties-chan May 13th, 2007 8:18 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2473768)
Some people think that are smarter than others, you are one of those.
First of all, my computer is old and can´t do much more to help, second I don´t have much time to waste to make this game. So if you think that my game sucks that much, Why don´t you give us the pleasure to show a game made by you?:badsmile:
At least I tried with what I´ve got here in my home.

Who are you to say what I think of myself? Not that I care what you think about me because other than that I disagree with you, you know absolutely nothing about me. And even a crappy computer can be used to make a good Pokémon game with RPGMaker. I have a friend here in PC who made fully functional Pokémon systems (including EVs, IVs, breeding, natures etc.) with a computer that overheated from practically any program after around 30 minutes so your computer does not justify as an excuse. Also, you can expect a game from me within the next year. As soon as I finish learning RGSS I will start making a game, but unlike you, I'll start with a game that is possible to complete with my skill level. You don't seem to experienced with RGSS so maybe you should start with something simple? Not that it concerns me in any way.
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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2474372)
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I just HATE when they put outdated graphics in a new game, Would you like to see Diamond and Pearl with Gold/Silver graphics???
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg
*PS:Actualy the original japanese Pokemon Stadium IS a 10 year old game. (the one wich came before Stadium 2 and 3)

Actually, I wouldn't mind as long as the gameplay was the same. Oh, and with G/S/C graphics, the battle background wouldn't look like that so your screenshot fails.
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Sooner = worst game IMO.
And I know that this game isn´t in Nintendo 64 graphics, but to include N64 3D models in a Wii game is ridiculous... Wake up Nintendo!
Really???????
OK, no money + ancient computer + lack of time = not that good graphics:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/luta.jpg
Don´t forget that my game IS NOT FINISHED,AND SO IS THE BATTLE SYSTEM, Ok? Stupidies-Kun.
And to tell me that I´m not a good judge of graphics, first ALL OF YOU should play at least 10 games in 10 different systems. Hehehe, you see, I´m a gamer, and by being so I DON´T PLAY ONLY POKÉMON, and I know when a game is good or not for it´s standards.
Sounds to me like you want super-realistic models for Pokémon. But guess what, Einstein? Pokémon isn't reality. They're supposed to look cartoony and realistic textures would be just ew... of course that doesn't stop Nintendo from changing the models, but why change good models? It would just be a waste of time and money. Also, do you have any idea how much space the attack graphics take? Would you like it if the models were pohto-realistic, but in exchange there would be no attack animations? I don't think so. =\ If you want realism, go play games that are meant to be realistic.

As for your comment about the screenshot: why post a screenshot of an unedited battle system if you're going to edit it? That's just pointless. ._. Also, don't you find it ironic that you posted an edited D/P screenshot with low-resolution, limited pallet Pokémon sprites, but your own game has just as big resolution/colour differences? It's also ironic how you claim to be so darn good at judging games, but post a default RPGMaker system 'Pokémon game' and apparently think it's good?

Zackstorm May 13th, 2007 4:27 PM

Uhg, these bad graphics are a real disappointment.

Cross May 13th, 2007 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zackstorm (Post 2479145)
Uhg, these bad graphics are a real disappointment.

How specific. May I ask you to state your reason and thoughts of WHY the graphics are bad? Or did you forget to put the "Postcount +1" mark at the end of your post?

By the way, Smarties-Kun, you just owned Acrof. =D

Te-em May 13th, 2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarties-kun (Post 2478572)
Sounds to me like you want super-realistic models for Pokémon. But guess what, Einstein? Pokémon isn't reality. They're supposed to look cartoony and realistic textures would be just ew... of course that doesn't stop Nintendo from changing the models, but why change good models? It would just be a waste of time and money. Also, do you have any idea how much space the attack graphics take? Would you like it if the models were pohto-realistic, but in exchange there would be no attack animations? I don't think so. =\ If you want realism, go play games that are meant to be realistic.

If they want cartoony Pokémon why not make them cartoony. I have seen a lot of games, with cartoony 2D characters i 3D games, like Wild Arms for instance.

Toothache May 13th, 2007 11:50 PM

I suppose GF could go the cel-shaded route. It's a thought anyway.

On topic, don't forget that all you've seen so far are previews, and not the full game as such yet. Don't judge until you have played a copy.

(PS You've got plenty of time to save up, so don't worry about the cost)

Smarties-chan May 14th, 2007 6:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothache
I suppose GF could go the cel-shaded route. It's a thought anyway.

U-huh. I personally think that'd look better, but in my opinion, it's the gameplay that counts in the end.

pokefiend07 May 14th, 2007 7:23 AM

May be true, but I still find it to be just like the other stadium games but with other upgrades. It looks worth, I like the graphics and the game overall from what I see.

Law07 May 14th, 2007 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothache (Post 2479735)
I suppose GF could go the cel-shaded route. It's a thought anyway.

On topic, don't forget that all you've seen so far are previews, and not the full game as such yet. Don't judge until you have played a copy.

(PS You've got plenty of time to save up, so don't worry about the cost)

Well actually its been released it Japan for a while.

And while this is probably the longest on going argument ever, I really find you all rather sad about arguing it.

A) Yutss just owned you's all who say "THA GRAFIX SUXX!!!!" who have probably only watched it on YouTube's crappy quality. If you read his post it showed the normal size of the video, and the graphics look way sharper.

B) This game is Nintendo's first game for the Wii. Like Xbox 360 and their crappy first footie titles, they get better progressivly once they figure out every Wii mechanic to squeeze that every detail out. We know Nintendo didnt make the most of GBA graphics, and as some people may claim, the DS graphics (which I disagree on...ish)

C) WHY THE HELL DO I EVEN CARE!? I dont even HAVE A Wii!!!

Forci Stikane May 14th, 2007 10:36 AM

...I know I said that I was getting out of the discussion, but really quickly:

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Originally Posted by craiglaw2006 (Post 2480066)
B) This game is Nintendo's first game for the Wii.

*points at Super Paper Mario*

*points at Warioware: Smooth Moves*

*POINTS AT THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS*

Law07 May 14th, 2007 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichaste Pekoni (Post 2480144)
...I know I said that I was getting out of the discussion, but really quickly:



*points at Super Paper Mario*

*points at Warioware: Smooth Moves*

*POINTS AT THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS*

EDIT : First POKEMON game :P

Te-em May 14th, 2007 10:22 PM

The graphics are better than the other Pokémon games but still it's Game Cube graphics, not Wii. The Pokémon looks plastic:(

Cross May 14th, 2007 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Te-em (Post 2481298)
The graphics are better than the other Pokémon games but still it's Game Cube graphics, not Wii. The Pokémon looks plastic:(

While I have been defending the fact that Acrof beleives the graphics are "Worse" I have to agree that they do look like Plastic XD (anyone else seen Regigigas?)
To wrap up this arguemen:

Acrof:
The stadium graphics are for nostalgia.
The Pokehexagon is the stupidest thing to ever complain about.
The Pokeball disappearing is a glitch, not lazy programming.
The graphics "Suck" only because you're watching stretched videos, not minimizing them to actual size.
The "GSC" graphics in D/P is irrelavant to the subject, as we're talking about PBR. You can still tell it's Typhlosion and Charizard battling, also.
You haven't yet seen them on your TV yet, have you? What if the graphics suck only because of Youtues crappy quality, your crappy computer or both? (In defense, you're probably going to say "U HAVNT CEEN T ON UR TV!!!1". And infact, I haven't. I saw it on a friends TV. He imported from Japan. =/
And one more thing. Bad Graphics don't make a bad game (With the exception of the 300 video game. Good god.) And bad construction sures hell doesn't make a bad game either. Lack of good gameplay, text errors and severe glitches, THOSE make bad gameplay.

And now to other people:
When has this become an Opinion thread? It looks like a rant thread to me, and Acrof is starting a flame war.
I urge you people to stop replying, and play the freaking game, without being critical of a minor "Fault in Graphics" (Oh god) of the game.

Smarties-chan May 15th, 2007 5:45 AM

Yes, the Pokémon do look plastic, but that's not because of the quality of the graphics, it's because the lack of real textures. But what's done is done and I don't see how complaining about it will make things any better. =| And as Yutss (and IIRC, me too) already pointed out, bad graphics don't make a bad. 'Sides, the attack effects are freakin' awesome. <3

Shiny Umbreon May 15th, 2007 6:40 AM

I'll have to say Pokémon can't and won't look better than in Game Cube. Why? Because they're not real. They are supposed to be cartoonish, so nothing can be done about it, unless you want to see a real horse with fire on its back and a horn that doesn't resemble the Rapidash you used to know.

Offtopic question: The gender differences also appear in PBR?

Law07 May 15th, 2007 7:51 AM

I never even noticed the differences in D/P.

acrof May 15th, 2007 8:20 AM

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Yes, the Pokémon do look plastic, but that's not because of the quality of the graphics, it's because the lack of real textures
Just let Game Freak/Nintendo/Genius Sonority know that the graphics could be better for a Wii game.
If it´s possible and cheap (for such big companies) why not to make things better?

If we keep saying: Oh! It´s amazing!
They will not even TRY to improve anything, because they will still get money from it.

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'Sides, the attack effects are freakin' awesome. <3
I have to agree, although fire attacks looks like water attacks with orange color:P

Smarties-chan May 15th, 2007 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2481699)
Just let Game Freak/Nintendo/Genius Sonority know that the graphics could be better for a Wii game.
If it´s possible and cheap (for such big companies) why not to make things better?

If we keep saying: Oh! It´s amazing!
They will not even TRY to improve anything, because they will still get money from it.

I have to agree, although fire attacks looks like water attacks with orange color:P

But you're missing one important point; if they give the Pokémon textures they might not look like Pokémon anymore, which I'm sure, they don't want to risk. I say they should try cell shading. That would look totally awesome. <3

wakachamo May 15th, 2007 9:31 AM

^I have to agree with you there. I personally think cel-shading would really match the style of Pokémon. Whether or not they've done it before, they should seriously give it a public shot.

Vulpix-trainer K May 15th, 2007 10:00 AM

I also think cell-shading would be great for pokemon games.

I might be referring to an earlier part of this discussion but, Pokemon is not Final Fantasy. It is meant to be turn-based. That's just the style that any Pokemon-Fan fell in love with.

A GOOD story line would be great and for information: They are thinking about a MMORPG of pokemon but that'll take some years.

Arcanine May 15th, 2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2476669)
You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

First off. Yutss, since when did you become above the rules? The rules do say something about censor bypassing, and something about flaming. Also don't use "gay" in a demeaning way. Lets try not to do that again, unless you'd like another warning tacked on.




Does PBR have bad graphics? No.
Could they have been better? Yes.

What a lot of people forget about D/P, PBR, and other Pokemon games is it's Pokemon. They don't have to have the most fancy graphics out there, they don't have to have some nice big fancy FMVs for the games. They like to keep things simple on the graphics side (why does D/P look a lot like the GBA Pokemon games? Because they want to keep it simple, they want to keep it the way it's always been).

XD1 PBR1
XD2 PBR2
XD3 PBR3
I tried to keep them close to the same size. But you get the point.
PBR might be a step above XD (a little step), but on the graphics side PBR could have been done better.
Am I complaining about the graphics of PBR? Nope, because I was fine with Col and XD, I'll be fine with PBR. It's a Pokemon game, I wasn't looking for some great big step above in graphics for PBR. I just want a 3D game where I can battle on the Wii. If I wanted a console with some nice HD flashy fancy graphics then I wouldn't have gotten a Wii (I'm not saying it can't pull off some shocker on graphics, but I look at Final Fantasy XIII and I know the Wii can't do that). And I know that graphics doesn't make the game, as long as the gameplay is good I'll be happy with PBR. If I am let down by PBR it won't be due to the graphics.

acrof May 15th, 2007 11:03 AM

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But you're missing one important point; if they give the Pokémon textures they might not look like Pokémon anymore, which I'm sure, they don't want to risk. I say they should try cell shading. That would look totally awesome. <3
If think they should at last try to do it, and call a bunch of pokemon fans to judge the results.
If the result were good they should make a commercial game.
About cell shading:
Great idea, but I still think they should try to make some realistic pokemons, and release the pictures of them in the internet, so we (fans) could judge them.


But there are things that I can´t understand:
Why did they remove the arena destruction shown in the first preview of PBR?

That , I have to say, would be the most amazing feature in PBR.

Cross May 15th, 2007 11:21 AM

While I have disagreed with you mostly Acrof, I must agree with the fact that it was stupid they took out the "Attack effect Arena" addition. That was what I was looking forward to most, and they took it out. It probably required too much data, though.

Law07 May 15th, 2007 12:10 PM

Or they wanted to be stupid and think that "Oh no we cant put THAT kind of violence in weely little kids might be scared of a hyper beam coming from a Space Monster destroying the arena!111
So lets just have a hyper beam coming from a Space Monster!!! Not scary at all =]"

Kids suck

Cross May 15th, 2007 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by craiglaw2006 (Post 2482008)
Or they wanted to be stupid and think that "Oh no we cant put THAT kind of violence in weely little kids might be scared of a hyper beam coming from a Space Monster destroying the arena!111
So lets just have a hyper beam coming from a Space Monster!!! Not scary at all =]"

Kids suck

They're afraid of these kids seeing violence, while I saw two 6 year olds watching the movie "300" in theaters. =/

acrof May 15th, 2007 1:23 PM

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They're afraid of these kids seeing violence, while I saw two 6 year olds watching the movie "300" in theaters. =/
Sad, but true...

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That was what I was looking forward to most, and they took it out. It probably required too much data, though.
I don´t think that way, you see, whenever they need more space they can use 2 DVD discs to make the game. Just like other games do.

Cross May 15th, 2007 3:44 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2482114)
Sad, but true...

I don´t think that way, you see, whenever they need more space they can use 2 DVD discs to make the game. Just like other games do.

The game producing company would have too much trouble creating two discs a package, and PBR would have to be charged, by costumers, minimally over $65.00 a game package. It would cost too much, less people would buy it for the price, and Gamefreaks funding would go down as they make more and people buy less.

It's a matter of marketing, price ranges and the expense of a product. Possibly 1 Mil. PBR copys would be sold after 4 days, minimum.

And I've never seen a company that uses TWO discs for one game.

Andrea-chan May 15th, 2007 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2482380)
The game producing company would have too much trouble creating two discs a package, and PBR would have to be charged, by costumers, minimally over $65.00 a game package. It would cost too much, less people would buy it for the price, and Gamefreaks funding would go down as they make more and people buy less.

It's a matter of marketing, price ranges and the expense of a product. Possibly 1 Mil. PBR copys would be sold after 4 days, minimum.

And I've never seen a company that uses TWO discs for one game.

Lets say PBR is on 2 discs, why would it cost over $65? Just because it has 2 discs in the box? Why would it be so hard for them to make a 2 disc package?
If a game like Happy Feet was put on two discs it would be $65 just because it's a 2 disc game? No. The price of games is based off of development costs, and how well the game is likely to sell. A game like Happy Feet wouldn't have sold well at $50, so they had to bring it down right from the start. And to top it all off, Nintendo said none of their first (and I'm gussing second as well) party games are going to be over $50.

PBR couldn't sell 1 million copies in 4 days if it wanted to (well, sure it could. Drop the price down to 5 bucks and it'd sell like crazy). It took Diamond and Pearl 5 days to break 1 mill sells in the US. And a lot of people got both Dimaond and Pearl. There aren't two copies of Pokemon Battle Revolution for everyone to buy.

And you have never seen a company that uses more than once disc for a game? I've seen games that have 3 and 4 discs, does that count? You might want to get into gaming a little more. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX all use 3-4 discs for the games (most of the Square games on the PS used at least 2 discs). Tales of Symphonia and Resident Evil Zero both on the GC both used two discs. And Blue Dragon for the XBox 360 is going to use 3 discs.


I am let down by what was taken out of PBR. When I saw the first trailer and saw Hyper Beam (or whatever attack it was) dig a groove in the ground and I said to myself "This is what I've been wanting in a console Pokemon game". I had high hopes for the game, not on the graphics side as much as updaing a lot of things (Pokemon really hitting each other, attacks like Hyper Beam digging up the ground, Thunder making rocks fly, Earthquake breaking up the ground, etc). But sadly, PBR just didn't stand up to what I had hoped for.

Cross May 16th, 2007 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrea-chan (Post 2482721)
Lets say PBR is on 2 discs, why would it cost over $65? Just because it has 2 discs in the box? Why would it be so hard for them to make a 2 disc package?
If a game like Happy Feet was put on two discs it would be $65 just because it's a 2 disc game? No. The price of games is based off of development costs, and how well the game is likely to sell. A game like Happy Feet wouldn't have sold well at $50, so they had to bring it down right from the start. And to top it all off, Nintendo said none of their first (and I'm gussing second as well) party games are going to be over $50.

Productions cost would make the game sell for more so Gamefreak would collect more money than wat they put in it. But I'm not so good in the economic world, so you're probably right.
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PBR couldn't sell 1 million copies in 4 days if it wanted to (well, sure it could. Drop the price down to 5 bucks and it'd sell like crazy). It took Diamond and Pearl 5 days to break 1 mill sells in the US. And a lot of people got both Dimaond and Pearl. There aren't two copies of Pokemon Battle Revolution for everyone to buy.
But more people have Wii, and this is the fisrt Wii game with online gameplay. Isn't it remotely possible it will be more of a hit than D/P?
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And you have never seen a company that uses more than once disc for a game? I've seen games that have 3 and 4 discs, does that count? You might want to get into gaming a little more. Final Fantasy VII, VIII, and IX all use 3-4 discs for the games (most of the Square games on the PS used at least 2 discs). Tales of Symphonia and Resident Evil Zero both on the GC both used two discs. And Blue Dragon for the XBox 360 is going to use 3 discs.
Pardon, but I don't think I WANT to get into the gaming world a little bit more.
Nintendo is my side hobby besides football. It's not my life where I buy ever FF game and sit in my room with a bag of M&Ms and a Pepsi, all the while saying "Dah! Flicking fingers on remote make person on TV move! Ahar!"
And isn't it remotely sad that people pay for 4 disc video games when they could read a book or take up a sport? My god.
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I am let down by what was taken out of PBR. When I saw the first trailer and saw Hyper Beam (or whatever attack it was) dig a groove in the ground and I said to myself "This is what I've been wanting in a console Pokemon game". I had high hopes for the game, not on the graphics side as much as updaing a lot of things (Pokemon really hitting each other, attacks like Hyper Beam digging up the ground, Thunder making rocks fly, Earthquake breaking up the ground, etc). But sadly, PBR just didn't stand up to what I had hoped for.
This I agree on. PBR looked tremendously awesome in the first preveiw, and then WHAM! They took out what was to be the best part. I'm suprised they even kept the "Pokemon Physically Hit Eachother" in.

While this games Gameplay and graphics are good, PBR isn't near what Nintendo THEMSELVES said it was going to be. Not many battle arenas, either. (10? Come on!!)

The game lacks what it should've had most, but it's graphics are tremendous. Anyone seen the Ice beam attack model? Or the solarbeam one? Both had such good quality, it made me want to import a copy from japan right that second.

MrRandomIDon'tCare May 16th, 2007 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2482978)
Nintendo is my side hobby besides football. It's not my life where I buy ever FF game and sit in my room with a bag of M&Ms and a Pepsi, all the while saying "Dah! Flicking fingers on remote make person on TV move! Ahar!"

lol, i agree. i hate it when ppl think that everyone who plays games are nerds who sit in front of computers all day.


DMJ

acrof May 17th, 2007 9:08 AM

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The game lacks what it should've had most, but it's graphics are tremendous. Anyone seen the Ice beam attack model? Or the solarbeam one? Both had such good quality, it made me want to import a copy from japan right that second.
Don´t foget about Hydro Cannon, Blast Burn and Frenzy Plant, they´re awesome too!
I AMLOST FORGOT! SURF! THIS ATTACK IS AMAZING IN PBR!

But the fact of using some 3D models from stadium, to release this game sooner.... Blarg....
I was really disappointed when I realized that...

TyRaNiTaR May 17th, 2007 6:21 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2484179)
But the fact of using some 3D models from stadium

I have no idea what your talking about.. I compared the said PBR Venasaur and Charizard to Stadium 1 and 2 Venasaur and Chariard...
While they look similar, they surface tendence is much smoother, most likely due to more segment additions... and the movement seems to flow easier... Not to metnion Nintendo got off their butts to actually make every shiny form of a pokemon now...

Also.. I also noticed that you said the "Hexagonal" Pokeball... while I have seen it... have you ever considered it was made that way? to add to the decorative touch?

Again, The Fire, Water, and Ice attacks look ungodly awsome.. freshly made particle systems added with awsome animation and graphics.. PBR has THE BEST Graphics on the Wii currently (Besides MP3 and SSBB)

Gameplay? Excuse me.. PBR Isnt suposed to have a storyline... its another Stadium... Whats not to love? I mean.. common? Not to mention the Online addition and the custom avatars... Battling via WiFi has never looked so real... sadly... no voice chat (Unless Nintendo decides to add another speaker to the WiiMote, since techniclly, the one used currently is also the ones used in modern cell phones :))

Also, You can change the cair color and length ;)
You jsut havent seen it yet...

Legacy May 18th, 2007 5:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2482978)
But more people have Wii, and this is the fisrt Wii game with online gameplay. Isn't it remotely possible it will be more of a hit than D/P?

There are waaaay more DS owners than there are current Wii owners. Worldwide, the Wii hasn't sold much more than 7,000,000 consoles yet, so in order for it to sell 1,000,000 Wii games, 1 in 7 people would have to buy it.

And as Andrea said, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl combined sold one million after five days and a good portion of the people that bought Diamond also bought Pearl.

So it's damn near impossible for PBR to sell quicker than DP, and there are two reasons why.

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Pardon, but I don't think I WANT to get into the gaming world a little bit more.
Nintendo is my side hobby besides football. It's not my life where I buy ever FF game and sit in my room with a bag of M&Ms and a Pepsi, all the while saying "Dah! Flicking fingers on remote make person on TV move! Ahar!"
And isn't it remotely sad that people pay for 4 disc video games when they could read a book or take up a sport? My god.
Do you realise how hypocritical you sound right there? So, there's nothing wrong with you just because Nintendo is your hobby, but people who have general gaming as a hobby have no life?

I have a girlfriend, full time job, part time studying, am captain of my soccer team, play in a pool team and go out with friends at the weekend. Yet I still find time to play Final Fantasy and other games. My life is pretty damn balanced, so where's the problem there?

Just because you're too narrow minded to realise your own hypocrisy, doesn't give you a right to put others down.

This I agree on. PBR looked tremendously awesome in the first preveiw, and then WHAM! They took out what was to be the best part. I'm suprised they even kept the "Pokemon Physically Hit Eachother" in.

While this games Gameplay and graphics are good, PBR isn't near what Nintendo THEMSELVES said it was going to be. Not many battle arenas, either. (10? Come on!!)

The game lacks what it should've had most, but it's graphics are tremendous. Anyone seen the Ice beam attack model? Or the solarbeam one? Both had such good quality, it made me want to import a copy from japan right that second.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by DragonMaster Jet
lol, i agree. i hate it when ppl think that everyone who plays games are nerds who sit in front of computers all day.

That's EXACTLY what he was saying, too.

acrof May 18th, 2007 9:14 AM

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I have no idea what your talking about.. I compared the said PBR Venasaur and Charizard to Stadium 1 and 2 Venasaur and Chariard...
While they look similar, they surface tendence is much smoother
I said some 3D models.
Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, and respective evolutions were remodeled, but most of them (the old ones) are still using 3D models from Stadium...
EX: Arcanine, Slowbro, Exeggutor, etc.

Gary, the Magic Fairy May 20th, 2007 10:18 PM

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*PS:Actualy the original japanese Pokemon Stadium IS a 10 year old game.
Um.. are you sure? The original version, which I doubt you've ever played, was released in '98. That would be nine years, correct? Also, I assume you're talking about the other Stadium (the 2nd Japanese), since slowbro wasn't even IN stadium 1. Stick to one stadium if you must compare them.

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Would you like to see Diamond and Pearl with Gold/Silver graphics???
Seriously? You're comparing total changes from GS >> DP with limited amounts and choices of color with the minor differences between these stadium models -that you insist are the same- and the PBR graphics, which have hardly any noticable differences?
Btw, I would like it. I don't judge things on looks and completely ignore everything else.

Has anyone actually posted pictures of these for comparing? {{If so, could you post them again? I don't feel like looking through 10 pages.}} I'll bet there are some differences between them.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ May 25th, 2007 3:27 PM

here is a picture that i found in another thread

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/typhlosion.jpg


But what I'm scared of is this thread may turn into the other one


:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Juliette♥ May 30th, 2007 5:34 AM

You have to understand that the Wii isn't capable of really super amazing awesome graphics - Nintendo have always been more focused on gameplay. Pokemon games are known for their awesome gameplay, so what have we to worry about? The graphics look amazing for the Wii. Just remember what system this is on - the Wii won't be able to do much more than the PS2 really as far as graphics are concerned.

Te-em May 30th, 2007 10:45 PM

But Zelda has good graphics and Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles (to GC) have amazing graphics.

acrof May 31st, 2007 6:15 AM

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But Zelda has good graphics and Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles (to GC) have amazing graphics.
You got it.
If other companies can make a game with amazing graphics in the GameCube, what should we expect from a company (with lots of money, probaly more than Square itself) making a game for a Wii?

Juliette♥ June 1st, 2007 1:34 AM

Twilight Princess's graphics weren't even made for the Wii, originally all that was done on the GameCube. You can get all those graphics on the GameCube, TP looks exactly the same on it.

PBR is so jam-packed with moves and sounds and all this stuff that they don't have enough space to go massive on graphics either. We should be grateful that they've put so much into it and STILL has pretty decent graphics. They aren't amazing, for a reason!

Bombsey June 1st, 2007 5:50 AM

I don't understand.

Why can't we compare Pokémon to other games? Is Pokémon that all holy?

I don't need to play the game to realise this: It's Pokémon. In 3D. It's nothing new.

Oh wow! Character models! They obviously take up so much that they can't actually put anything new in there!

And by the way, the Wii is just a compact GameCube with a gimmick.

Oh, and one last thing.

Pokémon is outdated. Very very outdated. Even Final Fantasy has broken away from turnbased gameplay.

acrof June 1st, 2007 1:56 PM

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PBR is so jam-packed with moves and sounds and all this stuff that they don't have enough space to go massive on graphics either. We should be grateful that they've put so much into it and STILL has pretty decent graphics. They aren't amazing, for a reason!
I doubt.
If Stadium could handle 251 pokemon in 64 megabytes (memory capacity of a N64 cartridge) why cannot a DVD with 8.000 megabytes store more things in PBR?

Some will say: What about the shinies, and the gender differences, and the arenas?

1- Stadium 2 had 251 shinies too! Total of 502 3D models in a 64 megabytes cartridge.
Some will also think: But PBR models uses much more space than the ones in Stadium 2!
That can be true, but do the math:
PBR probly has 2 models for each pokemon (2 X 493= 986) Let´s put 100 more to the trainer´s models so in PBR we have < 1086 3D models.
Now if we divide the data storage of a DVD with the amount that fits in a N64 cartidge (8.000 / 64= 125) So a DVD can store 125 Stadium 2, right? So a DVD can store 62750 stadium 2 models. O.o
Even dividing that by 10 it would fit much more models in a DVD.

So we can conclude that: it´s just an excuse!

2- There´s no gender differences in PBR.

3- The arenas are actualy pretty small, just the main circle (where the pokemon battle) is really the arena, all the rest is an empty space fulfilled by visual effects (trees, sky, sun, etc)

If one day i buy this game I´ll extrac it´s .iso file just to see how much space it uses in a DVD.

Cross June 2nd, 2007 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2507656)
2- There´s no gender differences in PBR.

Bull. I saw a Pikachu with an indent in it's tail before.

fearow23 June 3rd, 2007 5:05 AM

What gets me mad about the game was the promise of destruction in the stages. It never happened. I watched movies on youtube over and over and never found any stage get destroyed by a Pokemon's move.

ShadowTails June 3rd, 2007 2:49 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof
I doubt.
If Stadium could handle 251 pokemon in 64 megabytes (memory capacity of a N64 cartridge) why cannot a DVD with 8.000 megabytes store more things in PBR?

Some will say: What about the shinies, and the gender differences, and the arenas?

1- Stadium 2 had 251 shinies too! Total of 502 3D models in a 64 megabytes cartridge.
Some will also think: But PBR models uses much more space than the ones in Stadium 2!
That can be true, but do the math:
PBR probly has 2 models for each pokemon (2 X 493= 986) Let´s put 100 more to the trainer´s models so in PBR we have < 1086 3D models.
Now if we divide the data storage of a DVD with the amount that fits in a N64 cartidge (8.000 / 64= 125) So a DVD can store 125 Stadium 2, right? So a DVD can store 62750 stadium 2 models. O.o
Even dividing that by 10 it would fit much more models in a DVD.

wrong, there are in actuality 276 models in Pokemon Stadium 2, 251 and 25 other Unowns, the shiny Pokemon are just different textures, and textures on the N64, not as advanced as they are today on other systems... and Models... they don't take up a whole lot of space, usually voicing and music takes up the most space in a game... so, you could literally have a few million models in a game, but still... I really don't see why Pokemon Company should make 493 brand new models... and then model everything else... as I said before, if you think those are bad, pay a visit to the majority of the rom hacks here.

Te-em June 3rd, 2007 11:40 PM

I played Dragon Quest to PS2 yesterday. It was cellshading. The characters looked somewhat 2D, but I wished Pokémon had that graphics.
I still wonder though, how can newer Pokémon games have less good graphics than old ones. BR is not that way, but Stadium looks better than Colloseum, actually.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ June 6th, 2007 1:08 PM

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Nintendo have always been more focused on gameplay. Pokemon games are known for their awesome gameplay


yea I agree with you on this one. Graphics aren't what Nintendo really focuses on



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What gets me mad about the game was the promise of destruction in the stages. It never happened. I watched movies on youtube over and over and never found any stage get destroyed by a Pokemon's move.

also I agree with you as well. When a Pokemon uses dig or earthquake it just shows the side effect and then it dissappears. But this is Pokemon, it doesn't have to make sense


:t354:tatsujin gosuto

Shiny Umbreon June 6th, 2007 1:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~ (Post 2511973)
also I agree with you as well. When a Pokemon uses dig or earthquake it just shows the side effect and then it dissappears. But this is Pokemon, it doesn't have to make sense


:t354:tatsujin gosuto

You just said Nintendo doesn't focus on graphics and, well, it's true. Who needs good graphics when GameCube ones are more than acceptable? Still, I'm angry with some Pokémon being the N64 models, but other than that is alright.

Faceless* June 6th, 2007 3:07 PM

hm PBR looks fine to me, but the video on an Arcanine... looks like they got that Arcanine graphic from Stadium.. and its horrible

Te-em June 7th, 2007 2:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~ (Post 2511973)
yea I agree with you on this one. Graphics aren't what Nintendo really focuses on

It's the Pokémon company that does not focus on graphics. Other Nintendo games have good graphics (especially Zelda and FF Crystal Cronicles).

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ June 7th, 2007 4:00 AM

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hm PBR looks fine to me, but the video on an Arcanine... looks like they got that Arcanine graphic from Stadium.. and its horrible

I know that is what bugs me, you just pointed out another Fire type Pokemon that has not so well graphics. I think its just the fire types



:t354:tatsujin gosuto

acrof June 7th, 2007 10:37 AM

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I know that is what bugs me, you just pointed out another Fire type Pokemon that has not so well graphics. I think its just the fire types
No, I´ve seen Exeggutor and Slowbro with Stadium graphics too.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ June 9th, 2007 6:13 AM

but those 2 POkemon dont look as bad as the fire types in my opinion


:t354:tatsujin gosuto

Captain Arcane June 9th, 2007 1:13 PM

>_< In my opnion, the most disgraceful 3D pokemon in these large platform games is Ho-oh!!! Know Ho-oh is one of my favorite pokemon, mainly becuase its legend behind it is one of the best. But Just take a look at its feathers on top of its head.... THERE JUST ANGLES!!!! >_< And even the texture is horrible, you can see how it doesn't really fit on it because its stretched in a lot of areas. Know, this is only my opnion..... Huuuuuuuugh.....it just makes me really mad when I see it... Oh, and also, see, they remake Lugia, mainly because of Pokemon XD, but they couldn't remake its closest legend relative, Ho-oh! >_<

acrof June 9th, 2007 1:23 PM

Yes the same goes to Charizard an Typhlosion, they remodeled Charizard, but Typhlosion...

Shiny Umbreon June 9th, 2007 6:36 PM

It's kind of strange that Ho-oh wasn't remodeled. After all, it was redone for SSBM, though it didn't have the animations for a Pokémon game.

Is this graphic thing to release BR earlier. I heard so, and if that's the reason, it's a very stupid reason, really.

Bombsey June 10th, 2007 9:48 AM

ROM hacks are made for fun.

PBR was made by professionals.

Big difference.

wmoor0826 June 11th, 2007 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2507656)
I doubt.

If one day i buy this game I´ll extrac it´s .iso file just to see how much space it uses in a DVD.

And while you're doing this, y dont you redo the models with milkshape?

Faltzer June 12th, 2007 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Red1530 (Post 2351692)
I am tired of people saying their is no storage system in the game. According to Serebii their is.
Source: http://www.serebii.net/archive/November-2006.shtml

And if Serebii mentions that the game will feature some adult game play, will you believe it? The only way to really verify this is by playing the game itself.

pm3d June 12th, 2007 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2507656)
I doubt.
If Stadium could handle 251 pokemon in 64 megabytes (memory capacity of a N64 cartridge) why cannot a DVD with 8.000 megabytes store more things in PBR?

I always thought the Wii DVD's were 4.7 GB? Ah well, I'm probably wrong. Well, hopefully all this stuff about graphics, etc. isn't true, and when it finally hits our shores, PBR turns out to be a giant hit. I sure hope to get it...

acrof June 15th, 2007 12:40 PM

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And while you're doing this, y dont you redo the models with milkshape?
:laugh: Some people like to test my patience.
Ok here go:
1- An .iso is the binary code of a game that almost every CD/DVD based videogame use, and can be executed by the system itself or a emulator (just like a GBA ROM) , in this case a Wii.

2-The same program used by Game Freak/Genius Sonority is needed to change anything in PBR´s ISO.

3-I need a Wii or a working emulator to test the results.

4- And finaly I would need a decent computer, because my old Pentium 2 can´t do very much for me at this moment.:P

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And if Serebii mentions that the game will feature some adult game play, will you believe it?
Yes.
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The only way to really verify this is by playing the game itself.
Or reading lot´s of reviews over the internet, watching videos, etc.

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I always thought the Wii DVD's were 4.7 GB?
Just in some cases, but a Wii is able to run double layered DVDs with 8 GB or so.

SBaby June 15th, 2007 12:48 PM

The thing people are seemingly ignoring here is this.

The game is on a next-gen system, arguably the most successful out of the three new systems thus far. So they should be tapping into the best graphics they possibly can. They should be pushing the Wii to its limits, seeing as this is one of Nintendo's signature games. But they didn't. And that's not the only problem.

The other big issue is the lack of a plot in this one. I mean, who in their right mind buys an RPG that has no plot?! Seriously. Plot is one of the biggest things RPG fans look for in a new game. And here, it just doesn't seem to be there.

It doesn't matter what some fanboys say about graphics and story 'not being everything'. There is no excuse for this. None.

Fans like me have been waiting for a Wii Pokemon game since the system came out, and this is what we're expecting now? Are you kidding?

I seriously hope something is done about this before the release date.


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Originally Posted by Faltzer (Post 2519774)
And if Serebii mentions that the game will feature some adult game play, will you believe it? The only way to really verify this is by playing the game itself.

Serebii is the biggest official Pokemon site on the Net. The thing is bigger than NSider. They get most, if not ALL of their inside information from Japan itself, and they have famous VAs, such as Maddie Blaustein (who voiced Meowth in the 4Kids dub of Pokemon) as REGULARS there. And they never post anything until they can verify it themselves. Not to mention they are the most reliable source for exposing hoax information on the net. Of course we'll believe what they say. ;D

acrof June 16th, 2007 6:21 AM

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The game is on a next-gen system, arguably the most successful out of the three new systems thus far. So they should be tapping into the best graphics they possibly can. They should be pushing the Wii to its limits, seeing as this is one of Nintendo's signature games. But they didn't.
I agree.

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The other big issue is the lack of a plot in this one. I mean, who in their right mind buys an RPG that has no plot?! Seriously. Plot is one of the biggest things RPG fans look for in a new game. And here, it just doesn't seem to be there.
But the problem is that PBR is not a RPG, it´s considered a fighting game, and the "fan boys" use that as an extra excuse for PBR not having a story line.

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Fans like me have been waiting for a Wii Pokemon game since the system came out, and this is what we're expecting now? Are you kidding?
That was the same thing I felt when I saw the finished game.

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I seriously hope something is done about this before the release date.
Too late. It was released in Japan some months ago.

GIVEMEDARKRAI June 16th, 2007 6:26 AM

Hey Hey
 
Remember The English Versions Are Always Done Differently Just Wait Till That Comes Out

SBaby June 16th, 2007 9:52 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2529680)
But the problem is that PBR is not a RPG, it´s considered a fighting game, and the "fan boys" use that as an extra excuse for PBR not having a story line.

If it's supposed to be a fighting game, then they should cut the BS and MAKE it a freaking fighting game, instead of using the traditional turn-based RPG-battle scheme seen in the other games.

And even still, regardless of what fans label this game as, the genre of the game is Role-Playing. Otherwise, you wouldn't find it here.

ShadowTails June 16th, 2007 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bombsey
ROM hacks are made for fun.

PBR was made by professionals.

Big difference.

I resent that comment... I've always felt anything has an art to it, and Rom Hacks... most of them look terrible, and yet people still go "Wow good graphics, or Nice hack." and the graphics look like pure total crap... Either they're really nice on the Rom hacking showcase, or they are blind... because 95% of those hacks need serious improvement. (I've noticed the majority of them all share tilesets...)

Ho-oh arabia June 16th, 2007 4:39 PM

ROM hacks are made by professionals!!!!!! U try making a rom hacks. It takes a LONG time!!!!

ShadowTails June 16th, 2007 6:45 PM

You try learning how to type properly in English, then you can try and insult me.

now for me to comment on your post...
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Originally Posted by Ho-oh arabia
ROM hacks are made by professionals!!!!!!

Though I can tell you're being sarcastic, it really fails to make a point.

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Originally Posted by Ho-oh arabia
U try making a rom hacks. It takes a LONG time!!!!

OK, first it's "You try making a ROM Hack." and for your information I am making a ROM hack, and just like making nearly ANYTHING it takes a long time. But most ROM hacks here have no effort to them. I could go on and on, but it's not going to change anyones opinion on the game.

Now, as far as Pokemon Battle Revolution goes, in my opinion, I could probably say that it was a little lazy of Pokemon Company. But, I know for one that I wouldn't want to have to remodel everything over again, make 100 so new models, then model a bunch of freaking arenas and trainers and junk. You try making a 3D model, it's no walk in the park either.

acrof June 17th, 2007 10:53 AM

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Remember The English Versions Are Always Done Differently Just Wait Till That Comes Out
?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Different? No, they just translate it.

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But, I know for one that I wouldn't want to have to remodel everything over again, make 100 so new models, then model a bunch of freaking arenas and trainers and junk. You try making a 3D model, it's no walk in the park either.
Not all of them, but they should have remodeled at last the entire first and second generation.
And besides now they have high technology on their side, including scanners that can scan a real life object and transform
it into a 3D model.
For creating 3D models they can scan a sculpture of a pokémon and create a 3D model with it in some hours.

Bishopk June 17th, 2007 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2533059)
including scanners that can scan a real life object and transform
it into a 3D model.
For creating 3D models they can scan a sculpture of a pokémon and create a 3D model with it in some hours.

Awesome! I so want one! I didn't think that would be possible for another five or ten years! When did they get this?

Faltzer June 17th, 2007 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ho-oh arabia (Post 2531144)
ROM hacks are made by professionals!!!!!! U try making a rom hacks. It takes a LONG time!!!!

First, know what you're talking about before you assume. Game Maker (http://www.gamemaker.nl) is MUCH more complicated than ROM hacking. And your "professionals" also result to be beginners attempting to develop games by the use of pre-made resources. <_<;

SBaby June 17th, 2007 7:45 PM

Since when did this topic turn into one about ROM hacks? I thought it was supposed to be about Battle Revolution...

halfling2 June 18th, 2007 8:17 PM

If anyone still wants to say anything about the square pokeball, I've seen things in architecture that represent a circular object but are square for some reason. I'm pretty sure it's an implement that's been around since humans first learned to carve.

I'm also slightly happy that they are using the old 3D models but upgrading them with new textures and stuff. If you think that Pokeveterans "deserve more", why don't you consider we're getting something called nostalgia? I personally can't wait to see Poliwhirl flexing while awaiting orders once again. It'll bring back memories.

acrof June 19th, 2007 2:11 PM

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Awesome! I so want one! I didn't think that would be possible for another five or ten years! When did they get this?
It was created long ago (I think when they were creating
TOY STORY 1), and it´s incredibly expensive, only big companies can afford one.

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I'm also slightly happy that they are using the old 3D models but upgrading them with new textures and stuff.
No, the ones that weren´t remodeled are still using the same 3D models AND THE SAME TEXTURES.

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why don't you consider we're getting something called nostalgia?
I have considered that and a lot more.
Why burn your money with a Wii and PBR if you can get nostalgia playing Stadium 2 in a N64? XD

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I personally can't wait to see Poliwhirl flexing while awaiting orders once again. It'll bring back memories.
Now I got it.
Let me explain, you are talking about the animations, the animations are just the same for the old pokémon (that´s why a Poliwhirl will flex it´s body while awaiting orders).
I´m not against this, I´m against the FACT that some pokemons are using the same 3D models from 9 years ago, Nintendo 64 models in a Wii game.
This means that the new pokemons will get amazing models and textures, but the old ones will be full of sharp corners.

mr_plow92 June 20th, 2007 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2351335)
I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?

What is Wrong with you? I just went on Youtube and I watched a video. I loved I can't wait for this game to come out and I'm very excited about it.

furix June 20th, 2007 4:59 PM

Actually, the game looks great.

acrof June 22nd, 2007 9:33 AM

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What is Wrong with you?
I´m fine thanks
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I just went on Youtube and I watched a video.
So you probably noticed this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/2.jpg

this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/typhlosion.jpg

and this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/arcanine.jpg

Seriously, you should pay more attention to these "details".

Bishopk June 22nd, 2007 10:00 AM

Image 1: Intentional
Image 2: Intentional
Image 3: Intentional
Image 4: Intentional
Image 5: lol, you think that's a problem? Get over it. No, it's not porygon, so it doesn't need them angles, but it's real minor imo.

Cross June 22nd, 2007 11:02 AM

Ohemgee. I had no idea minor graphics were SUCH a big problem. =O

Here, Acrof.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u238/Yutss/Knife.jpg

Here's a knife. Kill yourself with it, because life is so awful all because of Arcanines square feet, disappearing Pokeballs, Typhlosions fire spikes (Which are intended) and PokeHexgons.

Martin Yiu June 22nd, 2007 12:01 PM

Umm... First offending Nintendo, then blaming ROM-hackers and fan game makers, then the post above me, which could be posted much sooner to prevent this sad end.

Let's explain something:

ROM-hacking: Modifying data of GBA cartidge Read-Only Memory to get different look, interact in alternate ways and this can be done in many ways. From HEX-editing along with using tools and combining the techniques to get professional-looking result.

Fan game making: Building the PC/Mac game inspired by some well-known formats like Pokémon, from zero, using quite similar game system and (but not in all cases) graphics and final goals.

Blaming someone for minor details, which, in most cases, were meant to be the way they are: Something which can really change thinking about a certain person.

Now something to the thread maker.
I won't flame you. You aren't worth of it. I just tell you, that you might act like intelligent, but the problem is in the other place than in talking. Where, it's up to you.

After this post, I ask the thread maker to not send me offensing PMs and not to bother me anywhere.

Wish you all nice day/night.

PurityForest June 23rd, 2007 3:38 AM

PBR really has good Graphics to me. Although, No Story Mode. But, it's still a must have Game as stated by others. :D

wakachamo June 23rd, 2007 8:14 AM

Just for some people's note, Game Freak doesn't develop the home console Pokémon Games, Genius Sonority does.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness June 24th, 2007 1:54 AM

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

I can't believe no one's gotten this yet. That's not a hexagon. It's an octogon. It's got 8 sides. A hexagon has six.

I love correcting people mistakes. Anyway, I'm fine with PBR as long as you can battle people who aren't on your friends list with wi-fi.

kohei June 24th, 2007 5:31 AM

Actually if you bother looking at any play videos on Youtube, you sorta realize that people aren't complaining and actually enjoying fighting random people on wi-fi.

I mean, Genius Sonority can't come up with good storylines even if they tried and mediocre graphics are their forte, so why not pick up the game and try to enjoy what you're given?

However I'd like to complain about the removal of the Multi-battle function please. I know, I'm acting like a hypocrite.

Forci Stikane June 24th, 2007 8:06 AM

Once again, I said I'd stay out, but I have to say this:

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness (Post 2553150)
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

I can't believe no one's gotten this yet. That's not a hexagon. It's an octogon. It's got 8 sides. A hexagon has six.

I love correcting people mistakes. Anyway, I'm fine with PBR as long as you can battle people who aren't on your friends list with wi-fi.

Count again. There're actually NINE sides. I also love correcting people's mistakes :).

Oh, one more thing:

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Originally Posted by acrof
Calm down, it's just my perspective, and if don't agree with me, that's not my problem.

If that was the case, then you wouldn't have argued about it for the past 10 pages.

roxas123 June 24th, 2007 8:31 AM

There is only one thing in the entire PBR graphic system that really dissapoints me. Typhlosions fire spikes are infact horrible but thats not enough to get me to not buy it. I can't wait to play against my friends!

Zyph June 24th, 2007 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichaste Pekoni (Post 2553782)
Once again, I said I'd stay out, but I have to say this:



Count again. There're actually NINE sides. I also love correcting people's mistakes :).

Umm... completely ignoring the fact that it's a 3D object.



Arcof is being a whiny little kid. Heatran, that was just uncalled for.

It's NOT A FREAKING RPG!! Get over it! IT'S NOT A STANDALONE GAME!! Get over that as well; if you don't have D/P, this game is not for you.

Typhlosion's flame spikes are INTENTIONAL. They're like jets of flame that come out of his back. If they were made of the same fire that Charizard's tail had, THEY WOULDN'T BE SPIKES NOW WOULD THEY.

I'm taking a 3D modeling class at UCSD. It's hard stuff. Seriously, to all of you complaining, I'd like to see you make a red-done Arcanine. No? That's what I thought.

Katsume June 24th, 2007 5:19 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2351335)
I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?


It does look like a hexagon, doesn't it... Maybe they forgot to edit it out or something.

Prons June 24th, 2007 6:56 PM

Is it just me, or is the game pretty much usless if you don't own a DS?

acrof June 25th, 2007 10:35 AM

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acrof is being a whiny little kid. Heatran, that was just uncalled for.
No, I´m just realist, how can a multi milionary company not be able to remodel N64 3D models?
Also, they´ve got extra time to do that because they didn´t work on a story mode or mini-games, and besides it´s not one 3D modeler working alone it´s a whole (well paid) team of 3D moders

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Typhlosion's flame spikes are INTENTIONAL.
NO THEY ARE NOT!
IT´S NOT INTETIONAL BECAUSE IT´S THE SAME 3D MODEL FROM STADIUM 2, I WOULD RECOGNIZE IT ANYWHERE.
Even typhlosion´s flame being supposed to have spikes they could have redone it aswell.

Cross June 25th, 2007 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2556821)


IT´S NOT INTETIONAL
Even typhlosion´s flame being supposed to have spikes they could have redone it aswell.

Wow. You don't get it, do you?

Cyndaquil and Quilava resemble small porcupines. When they eventually evolve into Typhlosion, they keep the spikes from being "porcupines".

I rest my case. Now shut up about the fire spikes.


Edit: Also tell me how they couldv'e improved the fire spikes. Should they've made them rounder?

acrof June 25th, 2007 10:54 AM

They can give it a new texture, that looks like fire, instead of a red and yellow piece of PAPER.
Also it´s not only the flames, the whole pokemon model is square, the same from Stadium 2.

Cross June 25th, 2007 10:57 AM

But what if that's what they were intended to be, no? THIN fire spikes? Or should they look like some hokey spikes torn off of Bowsers evil castle?

acrof June 25th, 2007 11:25 AM

I will explain what they are doing to explain what they should do.
This:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/textura.jpg(or something similar) is the texture they are using now, outdated, and don´t have any 3D to it.
So when they put this texture in typhlosion´s 3D model, this texture will get the flames shape, like this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo.jpg

But, if they change the original texture for another one more realistic, like this one:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo2.jpg
The final result would be more realist aswell:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo3.jpg

Bishopk June 25th, 2007 12:14 PM

Ooh, diagrams! Yeah... I don't see a large enough difference to make me make a thread about it.

Forci Stikane June 26th, 2007 2:46 PM

...Okay, I've played the game, and I have to say: acrof is an overreacting kid. The graphics are fine, if not better. Most are greatly improved compared to the GCN models.

Oh, and I checked on some of these things that acrof has been bugging us about:

Typhlosion's model...not a big deal.

"Disappearing" Pokeball...actually doesn't disappear. Check for yourself.

Pokeball in background...I haven't noticed yet.


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