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SBaby June 17th, 2007 7:45 PM

Since when did this topic turn into one about ROM hacks? I thought it was supposed to be about Battle Revolution...

halfling2 June 18th, 2007 8:17 PM

If anyone still wants to say anything about the square pokeball, I've seen things in architecture that represent a circular object but are square for some reason. I'm pretty sure it's an implement that's been around since humans first learned to carve.

I'm also slightly happy that they are using the old 3D models but upgrading them with new textures and stuff. If you think that Pokeveterans "deserve more", why don't you consider we're getting something called nostalgia? I personally can't wait to see Poliwhirl flexing while awaiting orders once again. It'll bring back memories.

acrof June 19th, 2007 2:11 PM

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Awesome! I so want one! I didn't think that would be possible for another five or ten years! When did they get this?
It was created long ago (I think when they were creating
TOY STORY 1), and it´s incredibly expensive, only big companies can afford one.

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I'm also slightly happy that they are using the old 3D models but upgrading them with new textures and stuff.
No, the ones that weren´t remodeled are still using the same 3D models AND THE SAME TEXTURES.

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why don't you consider we're getting something called nostalgia?
I have considered that and a lot more.
Why burn your money with a Wii and PBR if you can get nostalgia playing Stadium 2 in a N64? XD

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I personally can't wait to see Poliwhirl flexing while awaiting orders once again. It'll bring back memories.
Now I got it.
Let me explain, you are talking about the animations, the animations are just the same for the old pokémon (that´s why a Poliwhirl will flex it´s body while awaiting orders).
I´m not against this, I´m against the FACT that some pokemons are using the same 3D models from 9 years ago, Nintendo 64 models in a Wii game.
This means that the new pokemons will get amazing models and textures, but the old ones will be full of sharp corners.

mr_plow92 June 20th, 2007 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2351335)
I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?

What is Wrong with you? I just went on Youtube and I watched a video. I loved I can't wait for this game to come out and I'm very excited about it.

furix June 20th, 2007 4:59 PM

Actually, the game looks great.

acrof June 22nd, 2007 9:33 AM

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What is Wrong with you?
I´m fine thanks
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I just went on Youtube and I watched a video.
So you probably noticed this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/1.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/2.jpg

this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/typhlosion.jpg

and this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/arcanine.jpg

Seriously, you should pay more attention to these "details".

Bishopk June 22nd, 2007 10:00 AM

Image 1: Intentional
Image 2: Intentional
Image 3: Intentional
Image 4: Intentional
Image 5: lol, you think that's a problem? Get over it. No, it's not porygon, so it doesn't need them angles, but it's real minor imo.

Cross June 22nd, 2007 11:02 AM

Ohemgee. I had no idea minor graphics were SUCH a big problem. =O

Here, Acrof.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u238/Yutss/Knife.jpg

Here's a knife. Kill yourself with it, because life is so awful all because of Arcanines square feet, disappearing Pokeballs, Typhlosions fire spikes (Which are intended) and PokeHexgons.

Martin Yiu June 22nd, 2007 12:01 PM

Umm... First offending Nintendo, then blaming ROM-hackers and fan game makers, then the post above me, which could be posted much sooner to prevent this sad end.

Let's explain something:

ROM-hacking: Modifying data of GBA cartidge Read-Only Memory to get different look, interact in alternate ways and this can be done in many ways. From HEX-editing along with using tools and combining the techniques to get professional-looking result.

Fan game making: Building the PC/Mac game inspired by some well-known formats like Pokémon, from zero, using quite similar game system and (but not in all cases) graphics and final goals.

Blaming someone for minor details, which, in most cases, were meant to be the way they are: Something which can really change thinking about a certain person.

Now something to the thread maker.
I won't flame you. You aren't worth of it. I just tell you, that you might act like intelligent, but the problem is in the other place than in talking. Where, it's up to you.

After this post, I ask the thread maker to not send me offensing PMs and not to bother me anywhere.

Wish you all nice day/night.

PurityForest June 23rd, 2007 3:38 AM

PBR really has good Graphics to me. Although, No Story Mode. But, it's still a must have Game as stated by others. :D

wakachamo June 23rd, 2007 8:14 AM

Just for some people's note, Game Freak doesn't develop the home console Pokémon Games, Genius Sonority does.

HoundoomOfTheDarkness June 24th, 2007 1:54 AM

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

I can't believe no one's gotten this yet. That's not a hexagon. It's an octogon. It's got 8 sides. A hexagon has six.

I love correcting people mistakes. Anyway, I'm fine with PBR as long as you can battle people who aren't on your friends list with wi-fi.

kohei June 24th, 2007 5:31 AM

Actually if you bother looking at any play videos on Youtube, you sorta realize that people aren't complaining and actually enjoying fighting random people on wi-fi.

I mean, Genius Sonority can't come up with good storylines even if they tried and mediocre graphics are their forte, so why not pick up the game and try to enjoy what you're given?

However I'd like to complain about the removal of the Multi-battle function please. I know, I'm acting like a hypocrite.

Forci Stikane June 24th, 2007 8:06 AM

Once again, I said I'd stay out, but I have to say this:

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Originally Posted by HoundoomOfTheDarkness (Post 2553150)
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/pokball.jpg

I can't believe no one's gotten this yet. That's not a hexagon. It's an octogon. It's got 8 sides. A hexagon has six.

I love correcting people mistakes. Anyway, I'm fine with PBR as long as you can battle people who aren't on your friends list with wi-fi.

Count again. There're actually NINE sides. I also love correcting people's mistakes :).

Oh, one more thing:

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Originally Posted by acrof
Calm down, it's just my perspective, and if don't agree with me, that's not my problem.

If that was the case, then you wouldn't have argued about it for the past 10 pages.

roxas123 June 24th, 2007 8:31 AM

There is only one thing in the entire PBR graphic system that really dissapoints me. Typhlosions fire spikes are infact horrible but thats not enough to get me to not buy it. I can't wait to play against my friends!

Zyph June 24th, 2007 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichaste Pekoni (Post 2553782)
Once again, I said I'd stay out, but I have to say this:



Count again. There're actually NINE sides. I also love correcting people's mistakes :).

Umm... completely ignoring the fact that it's a 3D object.



Arcof is being a whiny little kid. Heatran, that was just uncalled for.

It's NOT A FREAKING RPG!! Get over it! IT'S NOT A STANDALONE GAME!! Get over that as well; if you don't have D/P, this game is not for you.

Typhlosion's flame spikes are INTENTIONAL. They're like jets of flame that come out of his back. If they were made of the same fire that Charizard's tail had, THEY WOULDN'T BE SPIKES NOW WOULD THEY.

I'm taking a 3D modeling class at UCSD. It's hard stuff. Seriously, to all of you complaining, I'd like to see you make a red-done Arcanine. No? That's what I thought.

Katsume June 24th, 2007 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2351335)
I think so!
I was watching some battles on youtube, and I noticed something disturbing...

*Although some pokemons looks fine (Charizard, Venusaur), others are COMPLETELY SQUARE !(Ledyan, Arcanine) Exectaly those from Stadium!

*In a battle with a Charizard against a Crobat, if u look to the background, there´s a fountain with a blue pokeball over it. That pokeball is a hexagon!
In other battles u can notice the same bad construction...

*They use the voices from GameBoy, not like in Stadium 2, where they use remakes.

*The pokeball disapears in the trainer´s hand when the Pokemon is defeated.

*There´s no storage system

*There´s no story mode (although XD and colosseum´s story line is crap)

*Although u can dress up your trainer, you can´t change the face or the hair cut or color of your trainer. And games like the first "The Sims" can do it very well...

I hope the next Pokemon release they change these details...
It´s not as good as I spected...
What do you think?


It does look like a hexagon, doesn't it... Maybe they forgot to edit it out or something.

Prons June 24th, 2007 6:56 PM

Is it just me, or is the game pretty much usless if you don't own a DS?

acrof June 25th, 2007 10:35 AM

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acrof is being a whiny little kid. Heatran, that was just uncalled for.
No, I´m just realist, how can a multi milionary company not be able to remodel N64 3D models?
Also, they´ve got extra time to do that because they didn´t work on a story mode or mini-games, and besides it´s not one 3D modeler working alone it´s a whole (well paid) team of 3D moders

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Typhlosion's flame spikes are INTENTIONAL.
NO THEY ARE NOT!
IT´S NOT INTETIONAL BECAUSE IT´S THE SAME 3D MODEL FROM STADIUM 2, I WOULD RECOGNIZE IT ANYWHERE.
Even typhlosion´s flame being supposed to have spikes they could have redone it aswell.

Cross June 25th, 2007 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2556821)


IT´S NOT INTETIONAL
Even typhlosion´s flame being supposed to have spikes they could have redone it aswell.

Wow. You don't get it, do you?

Cyndaquil and Quilava resemble small porcupines. When they eventually evolve into Typhlosion, they keep the spikes from being "porcupines".

I rest my case. Now shut up about the fire spikes.


Edit: Also tell me how they couldv'e improved the fire spikes. Should they've made them rounder?

acrof June 25th, 2007 10:54 AM

They can give it a new texture, that looks like fire, instead of a red and yellow piece of PAPER.
Also it´s not only the flames, the whole pokemon model is square, the same from Stadium 2.

Cross June 25th, 2007 10:57 AM

But what if that's what they were intended to be, no? THIN fire spikes? Or should they look like some hokey spikes torn off of Bowsers evil castle?

acrof June 25th, 2007 11:25 AM

I will explain what they are doing to explain what they should do.
This:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/textura.jpg(or something similar) is the texture they are using now, outdated, and don´t have any 3D to it.
So when they put this texture in typhlosion´s 3D model, this texture will get the flames shape, like this:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo.jpg

But, if they change the original texture for another one more realistic, like this one:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo2.jpg
The final result would be more realist aswell:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/fogo3.jpg

Bishopk June 25th, 2007 12:14 PM

Ooh, diagrams! Yeah... I don't see a large enough difference to make me make a thread about it.

Forci Stikane June 26th, 2007 2:46 PM

...Okay, I've played the game, and I have to say: acrof is an overreacting kid. The graphics are fine, if not better. Most are greatly improved compared to the GCN models.

Oh, and I checked on some of these things that acrof has been bugging us about:

Typhlosion's model...not a big deal.

"Disappearing" Pokeball...actually doesn't disappear. Check for yourself.

Pokeball in background...I haven't noticed yet.


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