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Innagadadavida April 8th, 2007 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2438922)
Holy crap, after reading the first post of this thread, I figured out that there IS idiots who whine about the smallest things in games.

Does it affect your gameplay? No. Does it ruin the game? No.

What the hell are you complaining about? And besides the hexagon pokeball, Youtube has crappy graphics. Try stage6.divx.com and THEN tell me how horrid the graphics are.

You obviously made no effort in this post, except some irratation you had to whine about in a video game.

There is no reason for us NOT to wish for better graphics. No, it doesn't directly effect the gameplay, but better graphics add a "WOW" factor that can really enhance the gameplay experience. For example, I personally believe Legend Of Zelda Wind Waker was so much better than a lot of other games because of it's graphics. They were very unique and really set the game apart from other GCN titles.

acrof April 9th, 2007 4:20 PM

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Holy crap, after reading the first post of this thread, I figured out that there IS idiots who whine about the smallest things in games.

Does it affect your gameplay? No. Does it ruin the game? No.

What the hell are you complaining about? And besides the hexagon pokeball, Youtube has crappy graphics. Try stage6.divx.com and THEN tell me how horrid the graphics are.

You obviously made no effort in this post, except some irratation you had to whine about in a video game.
(are you calling me idiot?)
Ok, "idiot":
I WATCHED EVERY STAGE6 PBR VIDEOS, AND THE GRPHICS STILL SUCKS!
It´s not the site, it´s the game.

Also I´m not ONLY based in youtube videos, I did a long research
in many sites, watched maaany movies at youtube and stage6 and
other, along with reviews from many sites.

So, when I said that I was based on opinions from all over the world, and I created my own opinion about the game, and posted.

I really don´t care about graphics, I still play many SNES, N64, GENESIS, etc, games on my respective systems, but I HATE when they put old generation graphics in the new generation games.

Would you like to have Gold/Silver sprites in Diamond/Pearl, even if it wouldn´t change the game play???????
Here´s a little demonstration made by me:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg
(MWHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:badsmile: )

Innagadadavida April 9th, 2007 8:10 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2440303)
(are you calling me idiot?)
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg
(MWHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:badsmile: )

Dude! You just OWNED that guy.

Te-em April 10th, 2007 12:05 AM

I agree about graphics of old and new games. I don't care if the graphics are bad and its an old game. To me, Little Samson's (a NES game from '93) has awesome graphics because they are, for a NES game. They are better than Colloseum's and BR's graphics, because the years the games were released.
pkmn Stadium was release about 4 years before Colloseum and even if you don't compare to the release year it still has better graphics than Colloseum.
I like the pkmn sprites from the old GB games better than the new ones, but that is not the graphic though; it's more the style of them, like Lizardon's/Charizard's wings is much bigger in the old games and Gous/Gastly doesn't look like a cannonball but the gas it really is.

Eirikr April 12th, 2007 1:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Te-em (Post 2440512)
I agree about graphics of old and new games. I don't care if the graphics are bad and its an old game. To me, Little Samson's (a NES game from '93) has awesome graphics because they are, for a NES game. They are better than Colloseum's and BR's graphics, because the years the games were released.
pkmn Stadium was release about 4 years before Colloseum and even if you don't compare to the release year it still has better graphics than Colloseum.
I like the pkmn sprites from the old GB games better than the new ones, but that is not the graphic though; it's more the style of them, like Lizardon's/Charizard's wings is much bigger in the old games and Gous/Gastly doesn't look like a cannonball but the gas it really is.

I concur on this subject, as back then, pokemon was not soo... kid friendly, now it is, unfortunately imo. Probebly why I love the G1 game sprites so, but times have changed and this is not about G1. PBR is a graphicaly out of date game. Who ever denys this is an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2438922)
Holy crap, after reading the first post of this thread, I figured out that there IS idiots who whine about the smallest things in games.

Does it affect your gameplay? No. Does it ruin the game? No.

What the hell are you complaining about? And besides the hexagon pokeball, Youtube has crappy graphics. Try stage6.divx.com and THEN tell me how horrid the graphics are.

You obviously made no effort in this post, except some irratation you had to whine about in a video game.

Um, gonna play this game at some time, I'd prefer not to play the Wii64 version. :/

Cross April 12th, 2007 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LT. Surge (Post 2443293)
Um, gonna play this game at some time, I'd prefer not to play the Wii64 version. :/

Somehow I noticed he was mainly freaking out about the Pokehexagon. Then when I reply about graphics, he changes it too "LULZ YOU DUN HATES BAD GRAPHICS OF POGEYMANZ!LUUK AT DIS PIKCHURE!!!1". :(

Rivvon April 30th, 2007 1:03 PM

I personally think the PBR graphics are amazing. They're realistic yet retain the Pokemon style. That's a good thing - we wouldn't want them to not look like Pokemon, right? And I don't mind not having a storyline, it's much more like the Stadium games, which I liked much more than Colosseum and XD, anyway. The lack of minigames upsets me, but the time I'd take up playing minigames would probably be taken up by customizing my character. It saves time, more time for battles! I really think BR is going to be the best Pokemon console game to date.

Sassafras May 3rd, 2007 10:55 AM

Ummmmm, since when did graphics depict how good a game was. The story does, in this, PBRs sucks.

acrof May 5th, 2007 12:17 PM

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Ummmmm, since when did graphics depict how good a game was. The story does, in this, PBRs sucks.
No, everything is important, graphics, story, gameplay, just everything.
Gameplay in PBR is OK (although there´s no use for the motion sensitive remote), but there´s no story, and it´s using many 3D model from the nintendo 64, so it sucks.

ShadowTails May 5th, 2007 1:04 PM

This entire game is 10 fold compared to the majority of the hacks in the hack section... if you get what I'm saying... there are probably at most 10 good hacks there... Pokemon Ice being #1 =P seriously. I see more posts saying some of the horrid hacks are good, and they have like a pixel changed... so yeah if you're complaining about this, I'll go lay my opinion on a few other topics... and if you still wanna complain about it, lets see YOU do better, not your best friend's cousin's uncle's sister's game programming husband who does excellent models, YOU...

GrieVelorn May 5th, 2007 7:39 PM

i dont think this game is going to have those bad graphics i think that those were only tests for the battle system useing the old pokemon stadium graphics, why? mabey to not watse a bunch of time putting graphics just to find out it doesn't work if that was me i would not waste valuable time like that would you also the nintendo company may not have wanted the real graphics to be released just in case as to not let the competition steal them.

thepog May 6th, 2007 12:52 AM

dunno
 
Maybe that person had a falty game?

Ayusuke May 7th, 2007 3:29 PM

I think PBR is going to be a good game because it goes back to the roots of Pokemon Console games and focuses primarily on battles. Although I guess one could complain about the lack of story, I think it'd be better left to the handhelds until they can come up with something better next time.

One thing I do have a problem with is that why doesn't this (or most games for that matter) let you create an old man character? That would be awesome! ;p

Nigma May 8th, 2007 4:55 AM

I think the best Nintendo could do would be creating a MMORPG with good 3D Graphics for Computer, Game cube and other systems. If i imagine if i could choose being a trainer (or Pokémon, whatever you like to be), or even a Team Rocket Member in a good programmed Pokémon MMORPG it would be very cool.

Of course they should use some unique Battle Modes and create a large world like in WoW, or other Online games. I don´t know if you would like such an idea, but for me it would be the perfect Pokémon game which could be played in different ways. Even if you would choose being a photograph could be fun, or be an officer to prevent Pokémon crime, which is organized by other players who play member of a Team (Magma, Rocket etc.).

*dreaming*

Cross May 8th, 2007 3:47 PM

My lord.
To put this in perspective of how it is, you people think a fancier checkers set is better than a cardboard checkers set, but you're forgetting that it's still the same game and rules. It's still checkers.

This thread is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Bad graphics don't make a bad game, unless it's glitched graphics or solid color graphics.

Over half of the people replying to this thread haven't even played the GAME and seen it on their own TV screen! They just watched the crappy resolution of Youtube videos and start whining!
If it's bad graphics, does that make it no longer the Pokemon games we've always loved?

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Originally Posted by Acrof
U can notice these sharp corners when the game use a zoom on the arena and battlers.

****ing boo-hoo. Even PS3 graphics get sharp corners when you zoom in.

And you're whining too much about the Stadium movements on Pokemon. Did it occur to you that perhaps Nintendo wanted to add some nostalgia to those who have played it for a while? Perhaps they feared about those who would whine about the NEW movements and actions Pokemon made?

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Originally Posted by Acrof
And a GOOD story line would make a better game, get it?

No. Stadium had no storyline and it got incredibly popular.

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Originally Posted by Acrof
I wanted to see a PS3 crusher game, using all features a Wii can offer.

Now you're sounding pathetic. Wii can only go so far. Why are you trying to squeez juice out of a dry lemon?!

Te-em May 8th, 2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowTails (Post 2467387)
This entire game is 10 fold compared to the majority of the hacks in the hack section... if you get what I'm saying... there are probably at most 10 good hacks there... Pokemon Ice being #1 =P seriously. I see more posts saying some of the horrid hacks are good, and they have like a pixel changed... so yeah if you're complaining about this, I'll go lay my opinion on a few other topics... and if you still wanna complain about it, lets see YOU do better, not your best friend's cousin's uncle's sister's game programming husband who does excellent models, YOU...

The workers of the Pokémon games have programmed in many years and has learned programming some years before they got to work at Nintendo. And since they sell so many games they must have a lot of money and thus can buy good programs for making 3D objects. But to me it looks like they have used some old version of autodesk inventor or something.

I have only learned programming a year in school and have little money, so I cannot create a Pokémon game with good graphics, but I know that they can if they try.

andreas2 May 9th, 2007 8:25 AM

i think that the graphics are great!! i will buy the game for sure!! is there also online battling??

Dark Heaven May 9th, 2007 6:00 PM

What did you expect from Genius Sonority? They didn't even bother to update Pokemon's cry.

Graphic isn't that bad IMO, at least Machamp has fingers now. XD

Typhoon May 9th, 2007 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2471763)
My lord.
To put this in perspective of how it is, you people think a fancier checkers set is better than a cardboard checkers set, but you're forgetting that it's still the same game and rules. It's still checkers.

This thread is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Bad graphics don't make a bad game, unless it's glitched graphics or solid color graphics.

Over half of the people replying to this thread haven't even played the GAME and seen it on their own TV screen! They just watched the crappy resolution of Youtube videos and start whining!
If it's bad graphics, does that make it no longer the Pokemon games we've always loved?

Cardboard checkers is something I'd expect from the NES. The Wii version should be made of crystal, mkay? People are just saying that since the Wii is capable of better graphics, the game should have been a little more polished. Calm down.

Smarties-chan May 10th, 2007 9:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss
To put this in perspective of how it is, you people think a fancier checkers set is better than a cardboard checkers set, but you're forgetting that it's still the same game and rules. It's still checkers.

This thread is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Bad graphics don't make a bad game, unless it's glitched graphics or solid color graphics.

Over half of the people replying to this thread haven't even played the GAME and seen it on their own TV screen! They just watched the crappy resolution of Youtube videos and start whining!
If it's bad graphics, does that make it no longer the Pokemon games we've always loved?

The smartest thing sayed in the thread so far. As long as all the graphics match the same style, I don't see why it's such a big deal. Graphics have never been the strong part of Pokémon games and they never will. The gameplay is the important part of Pokémon so people should just quit whining because it doesn't help them anyway.

But the reason I posted in this thread is to ask you, Acrof, if this is your definition of a good Pokémon game. It lacks everything you think makes a good Pokémon game: a good storyline and good graphics, but you also decided to rape the best part of Pokémon: the battle system. It is a good game indeed, sir.[/SARCASM]

acrof May 10th, 2007 9:56 AM

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and if you still wanna complain about it, lets see YOU do better, not your best friend's cousin's uncle's sister's game programming husband who does excellent models, YOU...
Ok, just give me the money! Oh! I almost forgot! The control over Genius Sonority and Game Freak too.

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dont think this game is going to have those bad graphics i think that those were only tests for the battle system useing the old pokemon stadium graphics, why? mabey to not watse a bunch of time putting graphics just to find out it doesn't work if that was me i would not waste valuable time like that would you also the nintendo company may not have wanted the real
graphics to be released just in case as to not let the competition steal them.
Competition? Only Nintendo can use the trademark Pokémon.

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****ing boo-hoo. Even PS3 graphics get sharp corners when you zoom in.

And you're whining too much about the Stadium movements on Pokemon. Did it occur to you that perhaps Nintendo wanted to add some nostalgia to those who have played it for a while? Perhaps they feared about those who would whine about the NEW movements and actions Pokemon made?
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
All I could get from your post is that you are picking the main failures in this game and it´s trying to make they look like amazing features.
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No. Stadium had no storyline and it got incredibly popular.
Oh! REALLY????? But now, Pokémon Stadium is a #[email protected]#$ 10 year old game, it´s outdated get it? By being so, a clone of it (named PBR)in nowadays standards will make it look pathetic.
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Now you're sounding pathetic. Wii can only go so far. Why are you trying to squeez juice out of a dry lemon?!
I really didn´t know that! Wait, but a Wii is about 3 times more powerfull than a GameCube and can ONLY go so far? With NINTENDO 64 GRAPHICS???? LOL. Give me a break.

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What did you expect from Genius Sonority? They didn't even bother to update Pokemon's cry.

Graphic isn't that bad IMO, at least Machamp has fingers now. XD
You said everything. XD

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But the reason I posted in this thread is to ask you, Acrof, if this is your definition of a good Pokémon game. It lacks everything you think makes a good Pokémon game: a good storyline and good graphics, but you also decided to rape the best part of Pokémon: the battle system. It is a good game indeed, sir.
Some people think that are smarter than others, you are one of those.
First of all, my computer is old and can´t do much more to help, second I don´t have much time to waste to make this game. So if you think that my game sucks that much, Why don´t you give us the pleasure to show a game made by you?:badsmile:
At least I tried with what I´ve got here in my home.

Gary, the Magic Fairy May 10th, 2007 1:15 PM

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Oh! REALLY????? But now, Pokémon Stadium is a #[email protected]#$ 10 year old game, it´s outdated get it? By being so, a clone of it (named PBR)in nowadays standards will make it look pathetic.
Oh? Really? I've seen plenty of clones of older games. People still like them. I also know that alot of people still play Pokemon Stadium. Also, FYI, Pokemon Stadium isn't a "#[email protected]#$" 10 year old game. It's 7. The Wii plays older games as well, remember? Some are even older than 10 years. People obviously still like those. Are you saying that they're bad as well for being old and having bad graphics?

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I really didn´t know that! Wait, but a Wii is about 3 times more powerfull than a GameCube and can ONLY go so far? With NINTENDO 64 GRAPHICS???? LOL. Give me a break.
Ok, first of all, maybe they didn't perfect all the graphics because they wanted to get the game out sooner, so people could battle their pokemon. Which is the whole point of the game. Not graphics, that only 10 people in the world are going to whine incessantly about, and still probably get the game anyway.
Secondly, the game isn't in Nintendo 64 graphics. I have no idea where you got that from. Maybe a FEW things look SIMILAR, but it's not like the whole game is.

Also, from what I've seen of your 'game' that Smarties-kun posted a link to, you don't seem to be the best judge of graphics.

acrof May 10th, 2007 2:54 PM

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Oh? Really? I've seen plenty of clones of older games. People still like them. I also know that alot of people still play Pokemon Stadium. Also, FYI, Pokemon Stadium isn't a "#[email protected]#$" 10 year old game. It's 7. The Wii plays older games as well, remember? Some are even older than 10 years. People obviously still like those. Are you saying that they're bad as well for being old and having bad graphics?
Sure old games rules!
Maybe all of you can´t belive, but I have a collection of video-games from the old ones to the last-gen ones.
Here is an old pic of them ;) (Nintendo DS Lite and my Xbox 360 are not in these picture because the pictures are old) :
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/tudo.jpg
Oh! and here is a pic of my handhelds:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/portaeis.jpg
I just HATE when they put outdated graphics in a new game, Would you like to see Diamond and Pearl with Gold/Silver graphics???
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg
*PS:Actualy the original japanese Pokemon Stadium IS a 10 year old game. (the one wich came before Stadium 2 and 3)

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Ok, first of all, maybe they didn't perfect all the graphics because they wanted to get the game out sooner, so people could battle their pokemon. Which is the whole point of the game. Not graphics, that only 10 people in the world are going to whine incessantly about, and still probably get the game anyway.
Secondly, the game isn't in Nintendo 64 graphics. I have no idea where you got that from. Maybe a FEW things look SIMILAR, but it's not like the whole game is.
Sooner = worst game IMO.
And I know that this game isn´t in Nintendo 64 graphics, but to include N64 3D models in a Wii game is ridiculous... Wake up Nintendo!
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Also, from what I've seen of your 'game' that Smarties-kun posted a link to, you don't seem to be the best judge of graphics.
Really???????
OK, no money + ancient computer + lack of time = not that good graphics:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/luta.jpg
Don´t forget that my game IS NOT FINISHED,AND SO IS THE BATTLE SYSTEM, Ok? Stupidies-Kun.
And to tell me that I´m not a good judge of graphics, first ALL OF YOU should play at least 10 games in 10 different systems. Hehehe, you see, I´m a gamer, and by being so I DON´T PLAY ONLY POKÉMON, and I know when a game is good or not for it´s standards.

Te-em May 11th, 2007 12:57 AM

I haven't played BR so I cannot say much about it, but I know that Stadium's graphics are better than Colloseum's and that I think strange since Colloseum is newer and to GC. And when you miss in Colloseum, the pkmn does not attack at all! (hope it isn't like this in BR). Stadium is different; they attack before they can miss.
I wouldn't care so much about the bad graphics in Colloseum and Game of Darkness, if the games were not so slow. A game like Stadium and BR, where you only battle, can have fights that takes longer time, since the only thing you do is battle. But in Colloseum you want to train and the battles take too much time (luckily the music is good though). The Pokémon does not even attack directly after you have chosen command, but some seconds afterwards. I wished Colloseum would have been a little quicker in battles and I wouldn't complain on its graphics so much.
I don't complain on Green Version's graphics, since it IS an old game and it's the fastest battles of all pkmn games.
I don't think Battle Revolution is so bad, after all they run to their opponent when they strike. It was so amazing to see when I watched a video of BR. It was almost hard to believe.

Cross May 11th, 2007 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2474372)
Sure old games rules!
Maybe all of you can´t belive, but I have a collection of video-games from the old ones to the last-gen ones.
Here is an old pic of them ;) (Nintendo DS Lite and my Xbox 360 are not in these picture because the pictures are old) :
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/tudo.jpg
Oh! and here is a pic of my handhelds:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/portaeis.jpg
I just HATE when they put outdated graphics in a new game, Would you like to see Diamond and Pearl with Gold/Silver graphics???
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg
*PS:Actualy the original japanese Pokemon Stadium IS a 10 year old game. (the one wich came before Stadium 2 and 3)


Sooner = worst game IMO.
And I know that this game isn´t in Nintendo 64 graphics, but to include N64 3D models in a Wii game is ridiculous... Wake up Nintendo!
Really???????
OK, no money + ancient computer + lack of time = not that good graphics:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/luta.jpg
Don´t forget that my game IS NOT FINISHED,AND SO IS THE BATTLE SYSTEM, Ok? Stupidies-Kun.
And to tell me that I´m not a good judge of graphics, first ALL OF YOU should play at least 10 games in 10 different systems. Hehehe, you see, I´m a gamer, and by being so I DON´T PLAY ONLY POKÉMON, and I know when a game is good or not for it´s standards.

Lol, retard! =\

You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.


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