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Innagadadavida May 12th, 2007 8:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2476669)
Lol, retard! =\

You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.

Something bad is going to happen to you, by the moderators...

Typhlosion King May 12th, 2007 9:14 AM

I don't think the graphics are all that bad. I still might get this game. It looks interesting enough.

acrof May 12th, 2007 11:06 AM

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Lol, retard! =\

You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.
:laugh:
You are ridiculous.
Can´t you at least try to act like a civilized person?

I think someone needs a doctor, and some tranquilizers too.

Typhoon May 12th, 2007 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2476669)
Lol, retard! =\

Yeah, real nice thing to say, tough guy

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2376669)
If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

That's someone's opinion.

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2376669)
Shut up, stop whining, and stop trying to act all like a tough guy.

Same thing could be said to some other people.

A person's opinion about a game shouldn't lead anyone to such heated arguments. Simply accept the fact that some people like graphics, and some people like gameplay, and discuss maturely what could be done, what doesn't need to be done, what could be improved, etc. Discussions like these boil down to your own personal opinion, which you should definitely share, but not try to force onto anyone else.

Cross May 12th, 2007 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoon (Post 2477982)
Discussions like these boil down to your own personal opinion, which you should definitely share, but not try to force onto anyone else.

If you'd notice, this guy keeps yakking on and ON about how they could've made graphics better.
Then when we state our opinion, he shoves down our throats his opinion of "LOL the grafiks suk on dis game!1"

And Acrof, watch this video, and before you watch it, hit the Normal Size button next to the full screen button. Then talk about the graphics. =\

If the game has a narrator that speaks every Pokemons name and announces death, switches and entrys, plus the game has to contain all the attack animations, plus all the Pokemon models and arenas models, plus mathmatical info, stat info, AR/GS detecting system and everything else, its almost 100% assursed the graphics aren't perfect because GF used so much information and data to start.

And have you, may I ask, seen the game on your own personal living room TV? Or have you watched Youtube videos?

I saw it at my friends house, and the graphics are equal (if not better) than previous Pokemon console graphics.

Smarties-chan May 13th, 2007 8:18 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2473768)
Some people think that are smarter than others, you are one of those.
First of all, my computer is old and can´t do much more to help, second I don´t have much time to waste to make this game. So if you think that my game sucks that much, Why don´t you give us the pleasure to show a game made by you?:badsmile:
At least I tried with what I´ve got here in my home.

Who are you to say what I think of myself? Not that I care what you think about me because other than that I disagree with you, you know absolutely nothing about me. And even a crappy computer can be used to make a good Pokémon game with RPGMaker. I have a friend here in PC who made fully functional Pokémon systems (including EVs, IVs, breeding, natures etc.) with a computer that overheated from practically any program after around 30 minutes so your computer does not justify as an excuse. Also, you can expect a game from me within the next year. As soon as I finish learning RGSS I will start making a game, but unlike you, I'll start with a game that is possible to complete with my skill level. You don't seem to experienced with RGSS so maybe you should start with something simple? Not that it concerns me in any way.
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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2474372)
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I just HATE when they put outdated graphics in a new game, Would you like to see Diamond and Pearl with Gold/Silver graphics???
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/KKK.jpg
*PS:Actualy the original japanese Pokemon Stadium IS a 10 year old game. (the one wich came before Stadium 2 and 3)

Actually, I wouldn't mind as long as the gameplay was the same. Oh, and with G/S/C graphics, the battle background wouldn't look like that so your screenshot fails.
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Sooner = worst game IMO.
And I know that this game isn´t in Nintendo 64 graphics, but to include N64 3D models in a Wii game is ridiculous... Wake up Nintendo!
Really???????
OK, no money + ancient computer + lack of time = not that good graphics:
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f293/acrof/luta.jpg
Don´t forget that my game IS NOT FINISHED,AND SO IS THE BATTLE SYSTEM, Ok? Stupidies-Kun.
And to tell me that I´m not a good judge of graphics, first ALL OF YOU should play at least 10 games in 10 different systems. Hehehe, you see, I´m a gamer, and by being so I DON´T PLAY ONLY POKÉMON, and I know when a game is good or not for it´s standards.
Sounds to me like you want super-realistic models for Pokémon. But guess what, Einstein? Pokémon isn't reality. They're supposed to look cartoony and realistic textures would be just ew... of course that doesn't stop Nintendo from changing the models, but why change good models? It would just be a waste of time and money. Also, do you have any idea how much space the attack graphics take? Would you like it if the models were pohto-realistic, but in exchange there would be no attack animations? I don't think so. =\ If you want realism, go play games that are meant to be realistic.

As for your comment about the screenshot: why post a screenshot of an unedited battle system if you're going to edit it? That's just pointless. ._. Also, don't you find it ironic that you posted an edited D/P screenshot with low-resolution, limited pallet Pokémon sprites, but your own game has just as big resolution/colour differences? It's also ironic how you claim to be so darn good at judging games, but post a default RPGMaker system 'Pokémon game' and apparently think it's good?

Zackstorm May 13th, 2007 4:27 PM

Uhg, these bad graphics are a real disappointment.

Cross May 13th, 2007 6:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zackstorm (Post 2479145)
Uhg, these bad graphics are a real disappointment.

How specific. May I ask you to state your reason and thoughts of WHY the graphics are bad? Or did you forget to put the "Postcount +1" mark at the end of your post?

By the way, Smarties-Kun, you just owned Acrof. =D

Te-em May 13th, 2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarties-kun (Post 2478572)
Sounds to me like you want super-realistic models for Pokémon. But guess what, Einstein? Pokémon isn't reality. They're supposed to look cartoony and realistic textures would be just ew... of course that doesn't stop Nintendo from changing the models, but why change good models? It would just be a waste of time and money. Also, do you have any idea how much space the attack graphics take? Would you like it if the models were pohto-realistic, but in exchange there would be no attack animations? I don't think so. =\ If you want realism, go play games that are meant to be realistic.

If they want cartoony Pokémon why not make them cartoony. I have seen a lot of games, with cartoony 2D characters i 3D games, like Wild Arms for instance.

Toothache May 13th, 2007 11:50 PM

I suppose GF could go the cel-shaded route. It's a thought anyway.

On topic, don't forget that all you've seen so far are previews, and not the full game as such yet. Don't judge until you have played a copy.

(PS You've got plenty of time to save up, so don't worry about the cost)

Smarties-chan May 14th, 2007 6:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothache
I suppose GF could go the cel-shaded route. It's a thought anyway.

U-huh. I personally think that'd look better, but in my opinion, it's the gameplay that counts in the end.

pokefiend07 May 14th, 2007 7:23 AM

May be true, but I still find it to be just like the other stadium games but with other upgrades. It looks worth, I like the graphics and the game overall from what I see.

Law07 May 14th, 2007 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Toothache (Post 2479735)
I suppose GF could go the cel-shaded route. It's a thought anyway.

On topic, don't forget that all you've seen so far are previews, and not the full game as such yet. Don't judge until you have played a copy.

(PS You've got plenty of time to save up, so don't worry about the cost)

Well actually its been released it Japan for a while.

And while this is probably the longest on going argument ever, I really find you all rather sad about arguing it.

A) Yutss just owned you's all who say "THA GRAFIX SUXX!!!!" who have probably only watched it on YouTube's crappy quality. If you read his post it showed the normal size of the video, and the graphics look way sharper.

B) This game is Nintendo's first game for the Wii. Like Xbox 360 and their crappy first footie titles, they get better progressivly once they figure out every Wii mechanic to squeeze that every detail out. We know Nintendo didnt make the most of GBA graphics, and as some people may claim, the DS graphics (which I disagree on...ish)

C) WHY THE HELL DO I EVEN CARE!? I dont even HAVE A Wii!!!

Forci Stikane May 14th, 2007 10:36 AM

...I know I said that I was getting out of the discussion, but really quickly:

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Originally Posted by craiglaw2006 (Post 2480066)
B) This game is Nintendo's first game for the Wii.

*points at Super Paper Mario*

*points at Warioware: Smooth Moves*

*POINTS AT THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS*

Law07 May 14th, 2007 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichaste Pekoni (Post 2480144)
...I know I said that I was getting out of the discussion, but really quickly:



*points at Super Paper Mario*

*points at Warioware: Smooth Moves*

*POINTS AT THE LEGEND OF ZELDA: TWILIGHT PRINCESS*

EDIT : First POKEMON game :P

Te-em May 14th, 2007 10:22 PM

The graphics are better than the other Pokémon games but still it's Game Cube graphics, not Wii. The Pokémon looks plastic:(

Cross May 14th, 2007 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Te-em (Post 2481298)
The graphics are better than the other Pokémon games but still it's Game Cube graphics, not Wii. The Pokémon looks plastic:(

While I have been defending the fact that Acrof beleives the graphics are "Worse" I have to agree that they do look like Plastic XD (anyone else seen Regigigas?)
To wrap up this arguemen:

Acrof:
The stadium graphics are for nostalgia.
The Pokehexagon is the stupidest thing to ever complain about.
The Pokeball disappearing is a glitch, not lazy programming.
The graphics "Suck" only because you're watching stretched videos, not minimizing them to actual size.
The "GSC" graphics in D/P is irrelavant to the subject, as we're talking about PBR. You can still tell it's Typhlosion and Charizard battling, also.
You haven't yet seen them on your TV yet, have you? What if the graphics suck only because of Youtues crappy quality, your crappy computer or both? (In defense, you're probably going to say "U HAVNT CEEN T ON UR TV!!!1". And infact, I haven't. I saw it on a friends TV. He imported from Japan. =/
And one more thing. Bad Graphics don't make a bad game (With the exception of the 300 video game. Good god.) And bad construction sures hell doesn't make a bad game either. Lack of good gameplay, text errors and severe glitches, THOSE make bad gameplay.

And now to other people:
When has this become an Opinion thread? It looks like a rant thread to me, and Acrof is starting a flame war.
I urge you people to stop replying, and play the freaking game, without being critical of a minor "Fault in Graphics" (Oh god) of the game.

Smarties-chan May 15th, 2007 5:45 AM

Yes, the Pokémon do look plastic, but that's not because of the quality of the graphics, it's because the lack of real textures. But what's done is done and I don't see how complaining about it will make things any better. =| And as Yutss (and IIRC, me too) already pointed out, bad graphics don't make a bad. 'Sides, the attack effects are freakin' awesome. <3

Shiny Umbreon May 15th, 2007 6:40 AM

I'll have to say Pokémon can't and won't look better than in Game Cube. Why? Because they're not real. They are supposed to be cartoonish, so nothing can be done about it, unless you want to see a real horse with fire on its back and a horn that doesn't resemble the Rapidash you used to know.

Offtopic question: The gender differences also appear in PBR?

Law07 May 15th, 2007 7:51 AM

I never even noticed the differences in D/P.

acrof May 15th, 2007 8:20 AM

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Yes, the Pokémon do look plastic, but that's not because of the quality of the graphics, it's because the lack of real textures
Just let Game Freak/Nintendo/Genius Sonority know that the graphics could be better for a Wii game.
If it´s possible and cheap (for such big companies) why not to make things better?

If we keep saying: Oh! It´s amazing!
They will not even TRY to improve anything, because they will still get money from it.

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'Sides, the attack effects are freakin' awesome. <3
I have to agree, although fire attacks looks like water attacks with orange color:P

Smarties-chan May 15th, 2007 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by acrof (Post 2481699)
Just let Game Freak/Nintendo/Genius Sonority know that the graphics could be better for a Wii game.
If it´s possible and cheap (for such big companies) why not to make things better?

If we keep saying: Oh! It´s amazing!
They will not even TRY to improve anything, because they will still get money from it.

I have to agree, although fire attacks looks like water attacks with orange color:P

But you're missing one important point; if they give the Pokémon textures they might not look like Pokémon anymore, which I'm sure, they don't want to risk. I say they should try cell shading. That would look totally awesome. <3

wakachamo May 15th, 2007 9:31 AM

^I have to agree with you there. I personally think cel-shading would really match the style of Pokémon. Whether or not they've done it before, they should seriously give it a public shot.

Vulpix-trainer K May 15th, 2007 10:00 AM

I also think cell-shading would be great for pokemon games.

I might be referring to an earlier part of this discussion but, Pokemon is not Final Fantasy. It is meant to be turn-based. That's just the style that any Pokemon-Fan fell in love with.

A GOOD story line would be great and for information: They are thinking about a MMORPG of pokemon but that'll take some years.

Arcanine May 15th, 2007 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Yutss (Post 2476669)
You put a bunch of crappy pictures together. Shut up you gay ass.
Whine about ACTUAL pictures with ACTUAL problems with zooming in or other crap that you try to "prove" that PBR and DP have bad graphics. If a game has **** graphics, the gameplay is all that matters.

First off. Yutss, since when did you become above the rules? The rules do say something about censor bypassing, and something about flaming. Also don't use "gay" in a demeaning way. Lets try not to do that again, unless you'd like another warning tacked on.




Does PBR have bad graphics? No.
Could they have been better? Yes.

What a lot of people forget about D/P, PBR, and other Pokemon games is it's Pokemon. They don't have to have the most fancy graphics out there, they don't have to have some nice big fancy FMVs for the games. They like to keep things simple on the graphics side (why does D/P look a lot like the GBA Pokemon games? Because they want to keep it simple, they want to keep it the way it's always been).

XD1 PBR1
XD2 PBR2
XD3 PBR3
I tried to keep them close to the same size. But you get the point.
PBR might be a step above XD (a little step), but on the graphics side PBR could have been done better.
Am I complaining about the graphics of PBR? Nope, because I was fine with Col and XD, I'll be fine with PBR. It's a Pokemon game, I wasn't looking for some great big step above in graphics for PBR. I just want a 3D game where I can battle on the Wii. If I wanted a console with some nice HD flashy fancy graphics then I wouldn't have gotten a Wii (I'm not saying it can't pull off some shocker on graphics, but I look at Final Fantasy XIII and I know the Wii can't do that). And I know that graphics doesn't make the game, as long as the gameplay is good I'll be happy with PBR. If I am let down by PBR it won't be due to the graphics.


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