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RYOUKI March 21st, 2007 10:04 AM

but outrage isn't horrible, it is the most powerful 3rd gen dragon move next to dragon claw, aerial ace is pretty good stragety but wing attack is more likely to be a KO move (not to be confused w/ one hit ko moves) and further more as i said hyper beam is a last resort only to be used in battling stronger foe, it is not guaranted to ko the enemy but deals great damage and dragon rage ehh you can replace it w/ any move

shanecdavis March 21st, 2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RazoREdge (Post 2419031)
but outrage isn't horrible, it is the most powerful 3rd gen dragon move next to dragon claw, aerial ace is pretty good stragety but wing attack is more likely to be a KO move (not to be confused w/ one hit ko moves) and further more as i said hyper beam is a last resort only to be used in battling stronger foe, it is not guaranted to ko the enemy but deals great damage and dragon rage ehh you can replace it w/ any move

The most powerful moves aren't always the best. Outrage and Hyper Beam are perfect examples. It is the locking down of the move that makes Outrage crap. For example, if you use Outrage and then your opponent switches to a Steel-type Poke, which resist Dragon attacks, you are stuck. The next turn your Poke will use Outrage again, and maybe even the turn after that. It is even worse in 2v2 since you cannot even control which Poke it will attack.

Wing Attack has no added benefit over Aerial Ace at all except more PP (35 vs. 20). Personally, having a move that will always hit wins against more PP, especially since in-game battles don't last nearly as long as competitive battles do.

You are giving too much credit to Hyper Beam. With your moveset, the almighty Hyper Beam will do max damage of 29% to Metagross. With my Dragon Dance moveset, however, an unboosted Earthquake will do max damage of 77%. After one Dragon Dance, it is a OHKO. With the SubPunch moveset, Focus Punch still does 58% max damage, or twice as much damage as Hyper Beam, plus you don't have to be locked into a turn to recharge.

RYOUKI March 21st, 2007 10:49 AM

you're right powerful moves arent always the best just like you said but for one thing what are the odds of your opponent switching steel poke
anyway in double battles outrage is not like earthquake which affects all poke's it's like razor leaf, swift and etc. and you have a good point but dragonite doent learn dragon dance to cover up outrage teach dragonite safeguard or keep it dragonite naturally learn safeguard and dragonite vs matagross ,dragonite uses hyper beam as a last resort so he(dragonite) could always use dragon rage sure it takes forever to knock metagross down but its worth a shot

shanecdavis March 21st, 2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RazoREdge (Post 2419047)
you're right powerful moves arent always the best just like you said but for one thing what are the odds of your opponent switching steel poke
anyway in double battles outrage is not like earthquake which affects all poke's it's like razor leaf, swift and etc. and you have a good point but dragonite doent learn dragon dance to cover up outrage teach dragonite safeguard or keep it dragonite naturally learn safeguard and dragonite vs matagross ,dragonite uses hyper beam as a last resort so he(dragonite) could always use dragon rage sure it takes forever to knock metagross down but its worth a shot

Seeing as you are packing two Dragon moves, a Flying move, and a Normal move, that would be the first thing I did since all of the moves do .5 damage to Steel-types. If you were to battle competitively, you would see just how common Steel-types (i.e. Metagross, Skarmory, Forretress, Jirachi, etc.) really are.

Outrage is definitely not like Earthquake in which you can plan for and have your other Poke either immune to it or resist it. Outrage is not like Razor Leaf and Swift. Those moves hit both opponent's splitting the damage. Outrage hits only one Poke and the target is random. You have no control over it.

Dragonite certainly does learn Dragon Dance. It is what is called an Egg move. You breed a male Gyarados that knows Dragon Dance (Lv50) with a female Dratini/Dragonair/Dragonite, and the baby will be born with the move.

As I said before, Hyper Beam isn't a great last resort and Dragon Rage certainly isn't, especially against Metagross. While you are chipping away at 29% max damage with Hyper Beam or 40 HP damage (13%) with the pathetic Dragon Rage, Metagross can do 65% max damage with a Rock Slide or STAB Meteor Mash, or even a OHKO with Explosion.

Siigari March 22nd, 2007 10:18 AM

Holy crap you guys.

lol, this is a great argument.

I say, just have your Dragonite use Explosion. That's my 3 cents, adjusted for the inflation of this silly conversation.

edit: beaten on the Explosion, rofl

shanecdavis March 23rd, 2007 3:23 AM

Sorry, but Dragonite cannot learn Explosion, although an exploding Puff the Magic Dragon would be an interesting sight.

Lunux March 23rd, 2007 4:54 AM

Get a good flying pokemon, go to the ember spa and go in heal there and then give your Dragonair a EXP.share. Go out use your vs trainer and fight all of the fighting trainers with fighting pokemon. go back into the spa to heal and by the time you get there and back the vs. seeker will be charged again. quick and easy.

Samson March 25th, 2007 3:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shanecdavis (Post 2420502)
Sorry, but Dragonite cannot learn Explosion, although an exploding Puff the Magic Dragon would be an interesting sight.

teehee, indeed it would =)

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Originally Posted by Lunux (Post 2420558)
Get a good flying pokemon, go to the ember spa and go in heal there and then give your Dragonair a EXP.share. Go out use your vs trainer and fight all of the fighting trainers with fighting pokemon. go back into the spa to heal and by the time you get there and back the vs. seeker will be charged again. quick and easy.

you're still disregarding that fighting all those will boost the Attack EV count. if that's not something he doesn't want to do, then i definitely don't suggest it. besides, Island 7 is better for training. there, you can boost 5 different kind of EVs between 4 different trainers, all of which are nearby a pokemon center.

so i emphasize... ISLAND 7. heaven? no, but it's a good alternative.

ltr_17 April 6th, 2007 7:35 AM

i'd say train:

in the E4
in the curileun cave/unknown dungeon (i have NO idea why some people call it unknown dungeon)
or in island 7-6.

Lt. Surge's Raichu April 7th, 2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RazoREdge (Post 2419008)
but i still prefer shed skin to inner focus
anyway the best moveset for dragonite is
Outrage
Wingattack
dragon rage
hyperbeam
the 1st 3 has stab move and the last one is a final resort

Is that so?
Isn't dragon rage a bit weak?

Lunux April 7th, 2007 11:53 AM

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you're still disregarding that fighting all those will boost the Attack EV count. if that's not something he doesn't want to do, then i definitely don't suggest it. besides, Island 7 is better for training. there, you can boost 5 different kind of EVs between 4 different trainers, all of which are nearby a pokemon center.
Sorry but i don't care about EVs so that's how i did it. i didn't mean to upset anything.

shanecdavis April 9th, 2007 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lt. Surge's Raichu (Post 2437172)
Is that so?
Isn't dragon rage a bit weak?

If you read the entire thread, you would know that has been discussed ad nauseum.

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Originally Posted by Lunux (Post 2437206)
Sorry but i don't care about EVs so that's how i did it. i didn't mean to upset anything.

Not caring about EVs is certainly your choice, although it is akin to driving a Ferrari everywhere in only second gear. So much wasted horsepower. Kinda like Dragon Rage on a Dragonite. LOL

GeorgeWBushSupporter April 15th, 2007 11:50 AM

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in the curileun cave/unknown dungeon (i have NO idea why some people call it unknown dungeon
Because in the older games, the cave was called "Unknown Dungeon." Since it was the cave with the strongest pokemon in the game, and the end, people liked the name "Unknown Dungeon." You were unable to enter it unless you beaten the game. They changed the name, but people prefer the more mysterious name.


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