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slash106 February 25th, 2007 10:02 AM

The three starters
 
Hi this thread is to talk about three starting pokemon of d/p andyou can talk about anything u want. So if you want to talk about these dudes here is the place.

Lil-Dill February 25th, 2007 10:56 AM

Um buddy. We allready know about these pokemon theyre pretty much old newz. Well no kidding u didnt know about them because u only joined this month. Not trying to mod or anything.

slash106 February 25th, 2007 1:33 PM

ok sorry about that i really had no idea

Law07 February 25th, 2007 1:43 PM

lol oh well nice try though ;)

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ February 27th, 2007 4:45 PM

well I guess I'll talk about them then. I really don't like Turtwig because when it gets to its final evolution it has a 4X weakness to Ice and when I play or battle I always get hit by Ice type moves


:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Saud-Blaziken February 28th, 2007 4:54 PM

i like turtwig because its my first pokemon

ChrisG14 February 28th, 2007 5:05 PM

I'll get Turtwig/Naterou. I've always loved the not popular starters, it makes me an individual, I think.

ck1109 March 1st, 2007 8:03 AM

its either turtwig or piplup. I dont like chimchar. Why I dont really know

Samson March 1st, 2007 8:24 AM

unpopular? i wouldn't say ANY of them are unpopular considering that even the anime has featured all of them all at the same time. that's the only good thing about this generation... perhaps every pokemon will get some feature in the anime, especially since a lot of them are evolutions/preevolutions.

Auron March 1st, 2007 10:57 AM

I'll choose Piplup. Traditionally I always choose the water one xD

n3croart March 2nd, 2007 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~ (Post 2397161)
well I guess I'll talk about them then. I really don't like Turtwig because when it gets to its final evolution it has a 4X weakness to Ice and when I play or battle I always get hit by Ice type moves


:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

So is Swampert weak to Grass types by 4X. Yeah, I like Naetoru (Turtwig) and Pochama (Piplup) is also good. Comchar, nah.

c_dog March 2nd, 2007 11:20 PM

Probably Chimchar for me. Turtwig's ugly. Seriously, I don't know what's wrong with its design but i can create a much better looking pokemon than that.. A weird looking turtle that hardly resembles a turtle if not for its shell, with a twig on its head.. I could do better than that when i was in kindergarten. Don't even get me started on Dotaitos.. wow, a turtle with a friggin tree on its back! How creative! Its name reminds me more of pizza flavored chips than a pokemon. I'd say of all the starter pokemon, Turtwig evolutions have got to be the worse, in fact it probably ranks in the bottom 5 of all 493 pokemon. Hayashigame's not bad though.. yeah it's basically a turtle with bushes on its back but at least it has style.. I guess it's not so much the idea but the fact that Turtwig and Dotaitos are just badly designed, period. That said, its stats look pretty solid though i'm trying to make sense of how grass+ground would work... That's 4x weak to flying and 4x weak to ice.. and grass and ground just seems like a rather bizare combo.. At least with Swampert it becomes one of the few pokemon that's resistant to bolt beam. What's grass+ground good for? poison and fire resistance perhaps?

Piplup is cute but Enperuto's pretty ugly too. That said, water+steel is a very intriguing combination... Steel gives it a bunch of resistances, and water helps cover steel's major weakness in fire.. but it still has tbolt weakness.. Its speed is a problem because it won't be able to take advantage of its high sp.att, and it's hp is too low to make it a tank with its high sp.def.

Chimchar is a decent looking pokemon(i think it looks pretty cool), though not original.. It's pretty obvious that Goukazaru looks more like Son Goku than a pokemon. That said, It's stats are great, his move pool is HUGE, and most of the moves are quite excellent, allowing it to be a versatile sweeper. Yeah, he's just a slightly different version of blaziken, but its speed is the fastest of all fire starters, and it has excellent att and sp.att. I really like his potential as a sweeper. I would probably pick him.

Edit: Got to say these are 3 of the worst looking starters to date though.. They're either poorly designed, or they lack originality. My gf was really looking forward to this game but now she doesn't feel like playing the game just because she finds the starters ugly.

Funk March 3rd, 2007 4:22 AM

Ooh, D/P Starters.

I really like them all equally, so let's see...

Turtwig, very 'fun' looking, though Hayashigame makes me want to cry because it looks so bad. It looks more like it belongs in a 60's cartoon rather than Pokemon. Dodaitose is okay-looking, but due to its 4x weakness to Ice (and its uncanny resemblance to a Digimon), I probably won't choose it as my starter.

Piplup (fun name to say) is amazingly simple and cute, almost giving off that Kanto/Johto feel, which his nice. Pottaishi is fun to say as well and chubby, so it has the "I'm freaking cute but I can knock your head off" look. It's nice (although I'm not sure if it looks like it belongs in Pokemon). Enperte is maybe my favorite final evolution of a starter ever, save for Goukazaru . I'm enjoying the Steel subtype, and they made it look like it was metallic, yet it wasn't completely metal (which is what a subtype should be). This is the starter I'm going to chose for Diamond, I believe.

Chimchar is also ridiculously cute and it looks amazingly like an infant, which I have running around my house so it's fun to look at. There's not much to it, and if there was, I'd be a little disappointed. Moukazaru is pretty cool. It looks like it should be second in the evolution line, like it's a teenager still growing up. It's a plus for me. Finally, Goukazaru. This Pokemon is just plain creative. I'm in love with it (which is odd, because I usually hate fire starters, except for Charizard), and it looks as if it's like the Orangutan from The Jungle Book, King Louie. I'll be choosing Chimchup as my Pearl starter.

Note though, that I'm going to be trading to get all of the starters anyway.

Forci Stikane March 3rd, 2007 7:41 AM

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Originally Posted by c_dog (Post 2400553)
That said, its stats look pretty solid though i'm trying to make sense of how grass+ground would work... That's 4x weak to flying and 4x weak to ice.. and grass and ground just seems like a rather bizare combo.. At least with Swampert it becomes one of the few pokemon that's resistant to bolt beam. What's grass+ground good for? poison and fire resistance perhaps?

One, Flying being unaffected by Ground does NOT make Flying supereffective against Ground. Two, Fire might be not-so-effective on Ground, but its supereffective to Grass, so it cancels out.

Piplup is cute but Enperuto's pretty ugly too. That said, water+steel is a very intriguing combination... Steel gives it a bunch of resistances, and water helps cover steel's major weakness in fire.. but it still has tbolt weakness.. Its speed is a problem because it won't be able to take advantage of its high sp.att, and it's hp is too low to make it a tank with its high sp.def.

Steel is resistant to Elec, meaning that Thunderbolt will do the same thing to Enperuto as Fire does to Dotaitos.

Chimchar is a decent looking pokemon(i think it looks pretty cool), though not original.. It's pretty obvious that Goukazaru looks more like Son Goku than a pokemon.

Well, that's the first time I heard THAT comparison o.0

That said, It's stats are great, his move pool is HUGE, and most of the moves are quite excellent, allowing it to be a versatile sweeper. Yeah, he's just a slightly different version of blaziken, but its speed is the fastest of all fire starters, and it has excellent att and sp.att. I really like his potential as a sweeper. I would probably pick him.

Edit: Got to say these are 3 of the worst looking starters to date though.. They're either poorly designed, or they lack originality. My gf was really looking forward to this game but now she doesn't feel like playing the game just because she finds the starters ugly.

Yes, you don't like how they look. We got it the first time.

As for my opinion,....well, I'm getting both games, so I'm just going to start off with all 3, so I don't need to choose :P .

Captain Arcane March 3rd, 2007 6:30 PM

I like them all, I think all there last evos are extremely cool, exspecialy the empeor penguin thing, and I really like the tortoise with the tree and small mountains on its back! So many people say that pokemon looks stupid, but I think its awsome! The last evo of the monkey is okay.

Rhetorical March 4th, 2007 6:50 AM

I'm gonna pick Chimchar, seeing as I prefer fire pokemon over most other types. And it's cute! Grass starters generally annoy me, because they never seem as strong as the fire or water starters.. But that's probably just me xD

Link2999 March 4th, 2007 6:54 AM

no idea yet, probably pochama

PokemonRox March 4th, 2007 7:07 AM

i am going to pick piplup or chimchar i generally pick the fire types or water but these ones r so cute the turtle 1 just looks plain weird.... i mean come on a turtle with a twig on its head its so not original!!

Jim March 4th, 2007 10:33 AM

Well, Not Hikozaru, the fire/fighting type is too much like Blaziken and I will more than likley teach it the same Boring Movepool. Pochama, Maybe, Great Types but all its forms are fatsos, I Like Neatoru but its Double weakness to Ice is like Marshstomps double weakness to Grass, one hit kill even if the attacker is half the level... So i'm undecided Between Pochama and Neatoru...

Hippo March 4th, 2007 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Electivire (Post 2402241)
Well, Not Hikozaru, the fire/fighting type is too much like Blaziken and I will more than likley teach it the same Boring Movepool. Pochama, Maybe, Great Types but all its forms are fatsos, I Like Neatoru but its Double weakness to Ice is like Marshstomps double weakness to Grass, one hit kill even if the attacker is half the level... So i'm undecided Between Pochama and Neatoru...

Yeah... I'm sick of the fire-fighting. Theres just a ton of weaknesses (Water, ground, flying, psychic) and yeah, its going to be the same moves over again.
He looks cool, but i probably won't pick him because hes too much like Blaziken.

I'll probably pick the water type if i get the game. Hes cool, but not my fav. pokemon. (Ludicolo anyone? =D)

dinwrest March 4th, 2007 11:02 AM

I'm going with Turtwig . Seriously , who doesn't like turtles? Dotaitos looks awesome (I've always loved dinosaurs...). either that or Piplup if I feel like it (Enperuto is pretty cool looking). I really hate Chimchar. I've always sort of hated monkeys. I mean Aipom is strange and weird looking and Etebossu is just plain creepy with that weird smile and strange eyes. Anyone else think Goukazaru's white outfit seems like a power ranger? But yeah Turtwig or Piplup are both cool but I don't run into ice types too often so grass/ground is alright with me . Anyways I'm probably getting both games so probably going to get both games so Piplup and Turtwig for me.

Forci Stikane March 4th, 2007 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electivire (Post 2402241)
Pochama, Maybe, Great Types but all its forms are fatsos

...And another addition to my blacklist...

Seriously, what kind of person are you if you deny a Pokemon line just because you think they're fat!??

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokemonRox
i am going to pick piplup or chimchar i generally pick the fire types or water but these ones r so cute the turtle 1 just looks plain weird.... i mean come on a turtle with a twig on its head its so not original!!

What do you mean "not original"?...The closest thing I can think of is the Bulbasaur line, but that is neither a turtle or a twig.

Samson March 4th, 2007 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by c_dog View Post
That said, its stats look pretty solid though i'm trying to make sense of how grass+ground would work... That's 4x weak to flying and 4x weak to ice.. and grass and ground just seems like a rather bizare combo.. At least with Swampert it becomes one of the few pokemon that's resistant to bolt beam. What's grass+ground good for? poison and fire resistance perhaps?

One, Flying being unaffected by Ground does NOT make Flying supereffective against Ground. Two, Fire might be not-so-effective on Ground, but its supereffective to Grass, so it cancels out.

Piplup is cute but Enperuto's pretty ugly too. That said, water+steel is a very intriguing combination... Steel gives it a bunch of resistances, and water helps cover steel's major weakness in fire.. but it still has tbolt weakness.. Its speed is a problem because it won't be able to take advantage of its high sp.att, and it's hp is too low to make it a tank with its high sp.def.

Steel is resistant to Elec, meaning that Thunderbolt will do the same thing to Enperuto as Fire does to Dotaitos.

Chimchar is a decent looking pokemon(i think it looks pretty cool), though not original.. It's pretty obvious that Goukazaru looks more like Son Goku than a pokemon.

Well, that's the first time I heard THAT comparison o.0

That said, It's stats are great, his move pool is HUGE, and most of the moves are quite excellent, allowing it to be a versatile sweeper. Yeah, he's just a slightly different version of blaziken, but its speed is the fastest of all fire starters, and it has excellent att and sp.att. I really like his potential as a sweeper. I would probably pick him.

Edit: Got to say these are 3 of the worst looking starters to date though.. They're either poorly designed, or they lack originality. My gf was really looking forward to this game but now she doesn't feel like playing the game just because she finds the starters ugly.


Yes, you don't like how they look. We got it the first time.

As for my opinion,....well, I'm getting both games, so I'm just going to start off with all 3, so I don't need to choose .
umm couple things icha... fire IS effective on ground types, just not SUPER effective. you confused ROCK with GROUND. so yes, dotaitos will be weak to fire attacks nonetheless.

also, steel is NOT resistant to electric. electric is x1 vs steel, but steel is half vs electric.

my opinion on the designs: they are explainable, but unnecessary. the whole idea is that the three of them are mythological creatures in reference to different cultures. for instance, doitaitos is an example of the "earth" turtoise who's shell is the earth's surface and from which plants grow. this goes along with native american myths.

~Night March 4th, 2007 12:00 PM

I think the grass turtle is just plain weird. I really don'tl like grass type pokemon because in all the other games I can never work with them. The penguin one is kind of cute but I don't really like the water starters except Mudkip from R/S/E. I don't really care for monkeys, but I love fire type pokemon (except Torchic from R/S/E) so when I get Diamond and Pearl I'll get the monkey starter (is it's name Chimchar in America?). It wont really matter anyways because I'll get all three starters in the Diamond and Pearl by trading when I get another DS.

Absolitude March 4th, 2007 12:13 PM

I'm getting Pochama because i like water pokemon, and he is water, he is also way better than a fire monkey, and a turtle. It just seems cool. But for Emerald i liked Blaziken because he looked cooler than swampert.


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