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Absolitude March 6th, 2007 1:28 PM

More=Less in the Pokeworld?
 
I was reading how to duplicate your pokemon on a site and i started thinking. If almost everyone knows about this, then does that mean that in D/P there might be a million shiny rayquazas, so when you go to put your hard earned shiny rayquaza, up for trade no one wants, or needs it. And all you wanted to do with it was trade it. What do you guys think will happen to the world of rare, and shiny pokemon when wifi comes? Will a shiny kyogre be as common as zizagoon? Or will the poke world still strive for rares? What do you think?

Hippo March 6th, 2007 1:53 PM

I think there will be a ton out there from people Duping stuff on Emerald, then PalParking it over, maybe enough to meet the demand for them, but i don't know.
Theres also the chance that people will want better IVs and natures on rare pokes, and i think those will trade better.

Thinking of all the trading, you better be able to change nicknames of traded pokes now... it would just be a pain having to deal with a name someone you'll never know came up with. Like if they named it a crap name and you really needed it...

Samson March 6th, 2007 4:28 PM

supply > demand.

thank god. all those shinies and rare pokes will be worth nothing, and finally people will learn how to play the game the way it should be played.

Paranoia March 6th, 2007 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippo (Post 2404199)
I think there will be a ton out there from people Duping stuff on Emerald, then PalParking it over, maybe enough to meet the demand for them, but i don't know.
Theres also the chance that people will want better IVs and natures on rare pokes, and i think those will trade better.

Thinking of all the trading, you better be able to change nicknames of traded pokes now... it would just be a pain having to deal with a name someone you'll never know came up with. Like if they named it a crap name and you really needed it...

Yeah, i agree thats why im only trading with people from here, so that if they want a nickname on a certain pokemon, ill give it the name then trade it to them!

But if i was say, looking for a Cherinbo, and someone named it a stupid name such as cutey, id breed then keep it as the official name.

mb1641 March 6th, 2007 6:50 PM

Yeah, I think they'll become very common.

Richard Lynch March 6th, 2007 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippo (Post 2404199)
Theres also the chance that people will want better IVs and natures on rare pokes, and i think those will trade better.

Bingo.

I honestly couldn't care less about shiny pokemon; they serve me no purpose. That's why I was so happy to get Pokerus over a Shiny.

BUT a pokemon with a few perfect IVs (Like a Beldum I just hatched yesterday: perfect 31 IV in both HP and Attack, but a piss-poor Speed, sadly; although my fancy of Agility counters that completely), now that is useful. I'd easily trade a Shiny Rayquaza, granted I had one, for a Beldum with a 31 IV in all stats, which I would say the occurrence of THAT is much more rare than a Shiny.

To me, bargaining for IVs is much more interesting than bargaining for shinies. But eh, to each their own.

Dee Trier March 6th, 2007 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by graceofbaal (Post 2404654)
Bingo.

I honestly couldn't care less about shiny pokemon; they serve me no purpose. That's why I was so happy to get Pokerus over a Shiny.

BUT a pokemon with a few perfect IVs (Like a Beldum I just hatched yesterday: perfect 31 IV in both HP and Attack, but a piss-poor Speed, sadly; although my fancy of Agility counters that completely), now that is useful. I'd easily trade a Shiny Rayquaza, granted I had one, for a Beldum with a 31 IV in all stats, which I would say the occurrence of THAT is much more rare than a Shiny.

To me, bargaining for IVs is much more interesting than bargaining for shinies. But eh, to each their own.

Agree. Only few of my poke had pervect IV. Vaporeon HP, Flareon Attack (why must i got perfect iv's in 2 eeveelutions i used less), Arcanine HP and Attack. And other eeveelutions just come close (Espeon and Jolteon 30 in both spd and Sp Atk, Umby in Sp def) =\ even after breed more than 100 eevee (and no one shiny yet).

I don't care for pokerus since had it since a long time ago and it could be given without cloning (I had given i to my friend by trading pokemon with pokerus).

Shiny... I had some already (Whismur,Manectric (caught as elektrike), Tentacruel), some are even already lost (sentret in FR, and anouther whismur in Ruby). And beside different color it doesn't matter much. I want shiny eeveelution though

Dr_random March 7th, 2007 5:57 AM

it's very simple. your shinys might be good the first day as you can only give 6 to diamond and pearl a day. then, pokemon like sandshrew and pikachu become the wanted ones as everyone is sick of the legendaries. then, after everyone gets the sandshrews and stuff like that, the'll realize the released/lost their legendaries, and you might get your works worth before the duplicatiion starts over again.

Samson March 7th, 2007 6:34 AM

why pikachu and sanshrew? the idea is people will learn that raichu and sandslash suck XD

pokejungle March 7th, 2007 6:47 AM

Most of the D/P users will be too ignorant to realize that you can duplicate.

I'm not saying it in a mean way, simply an honestly truthful way.

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ March 7th, 2007 1:33 PM

Thats a good thing for me because I'm not good at finding shiny Pokemon so this would be a advantage

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Rubberbandman March 7th, 2007 1:53 PM

Shiny pokemon are pretty overrated.

Sure, they have a different color, but it is really going to matter in battle? I don't think so.

Besides, you can see all the shinies online anyway, I'm not saying I wouldnt catch it in the wild, its just they don't have any nice bonus during battle...

Dr_random March 7th, 2007 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2404846)
why pikachu and sanshrew? the idea is people will learn that raichu and sandslash suck XD

too true. the reason being they are not rare.


I wish i knew how to duplicate.

there are also those freaks-like me-who know one pokemon they can't have enough of. so there you have it. you are now free to make your counterstatement, samson.

Absolitude March 7th, 2007 3:45 PM

Well since IVs are so coveted in pokemon, what if someone found a way to breed pokemon with perfect IVs? Of course you say that it's impossible but that's problably what people said when we found out how to duplicate. But since that is years from now when people get bored with D/P, and hack it while they wait for another pokemon game, i guess i should be concerned about getting those perfect IVs. As for what you said DR.Random, i would pay 999999 poke money to get a shiny Absol with Perfect IVs. So i can understand what your trying to say, but in actuality not that many people like pickachu.

Hippo March 7th, 2007 5:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2404349)
supply > demand.

thank god. all those shinies and rare pokes will be worth nothing, and finally people will learn how to play the game the way it should be played.

Enjoying shiny pokemon isn't the "wrong" way to play the game. Its just a different way to play from battling. heck, its maybe split because half of the idea in the game is collecting (though its not as popular).

Some shinys are really cool though. I'd LOVE a shiny pokemon (well, some pokes) with good IVs. Some shinys just look cooler than the normal and they're rare... (maybe they'll still be rare...)

When I'm breeding after i catch 31 fricking ditto, and i hatch a shiny at the last stage with the nature and 3 perfect IVs, i'd use it over a normal poke, just because its rare (And has pwnage IVs)

Samson March 7th, 2007 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippo (Post 2405248)
Enjoying shiny pokemon isn't the "wrong" way to play the game. Its just a different way to play from battling. heck, its maybe split because half of the idea in the game is collecting (though its not as popular).

Some shinys are really cool though. I'd LOVE a shiny pokemon (well, some pokes) with good IVs. Some shinys just look cooler than the normal and they're rare... (maybe they'll still be rare...)

When I'm breeding after i catch 31 fricking ditto, and i hatch a shiny at the last stage with the nature and 3 perfect IVs, i'd use it over a normal poke, just because its rare (And has pwnage IVs)

i wasn't inferring it was the wrong way to play... it's just a senseless way of playing it. rather than trying to out all the different kinds of pokemon and experience their abilities, so many focus on getting something that means nothing. you might as well do some extra chores around the house and hope your folks give you enough money so that you can get a gameshark or action replay so that you can *effortlessly* regulate your pokemon's traits. but of course you won't do that... that's cheating, right? as far as i'm concerned, it's no different as cloning glitches and trading for those cloned pokes. it's definitely NOT the same thing, but you'd still be contradicting yourself in the premise that you WANT to work hard to find a pokemon with traits you prefer.

Dr_random March 7th, 2007 6:20 PM

what is iv? and everyone hates pikachu, it's just an example

Hippo March 7th, 2007 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr_random (Post 2405306)
what is iv? and everyone hates pikachu, it's just an example

Random number all pokemon have for each stat that determines how that stat levels up. 1 is the lowest, 31 is the highest (and best).
You can read about them here:
http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml

Rubberbandman March 7th, 2007 7:21 PM

Actually you can get zero, so 0 is the lowest ^_^

Absolitude March 7th, 2007 7:42 PM

I've never heard of a pokemon with a 0 IV. What pokemon are you referring to, RubberBandMan?

Bkue March 7th, 2007 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Absolitude (Post 2405370)
I've never heard of a pokemon with a 0 IV. What pokemon are you referring to, RubberBandMan?

Take a Look at Hippos site there it tells you about a Pokemon with a 0 IV. I read that whole thing and I still dont understand this whole "IV" thing. Well I know that its bassicly your stats, such as Attack, Defense, and all that jazz. But how does it go with Breeding?

Absolitude March 7th, 2007 8:24 PM

Well from what i understand, you can breed pokemon with better IVs or something. I don't understand it fully myself, and i'm really sleepy. Maybe tomorrow i'll understand, but right now i just can't do all the math involved, or go hunt for a perfect IV pokemon.

Hippo March 8th, 2007 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bkue (Post 2405404)
Take a Look at Hippos site there it tells you about a Pokemon with a 0 IV. I read that whole thing and I still dont understand this whole "IV" thing. Well I know that its bassicly your stats, such as Attack, Defense, and all that jazz. But how does it go with Breeding?

Oh, didn't think you could get a 0. That just makes it worse really...

Think of it like this, you would have 100 attack on a poke. If you had an IV of 0, you would have 69 attack. If your IV was 31, you would have 100 attack. Lowe IVs take off of stats.

Pokemon can receive IVs from thier parents. Its like 25% each parent's IV and 50% random, or something. I'm not sure on the numbers exactly.

And good luck, a pokemon with perfect IVs is 1 in about 8 million.
I did some math... If its 1/32 of having ONE perfect IV, having SIX would but you at a 1/32^6 chance. Or about 1 in 1,073,741,824. Dang. Thats depressing.

Rubberbandman March 8th, 2007 1:49 PM

You've never heard of BP teams with a pokemon with 0 DVs in speed to take damage before the pass?

Kuri-Chan ♪ March 13th, 2007 5:01 AM

A statue stands in a shaded place,
An angel girl with an upturned face,
Her name is written on a polished rock,
A broken heart that the world forgot,


Ugh, I can see it now. Shops. People selling Shiney Pokemon over Wifi for money, Items, and other Pokemon. It would be catastrophe. What's the point of having a new Pokemon Pearl and then trading in a LV.100 Raquaza and whip through the Gyms? None.

And I've never really battled compeditively, but I'd like a Pokemon with perfect IVs.
Kuri-Chan :7:


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