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Ichida April 29th, 2007 10:49 PM

Rotom. Legendary or nay?
 
It's been bugging me. Who considers Rotom, the new Ghost/Electric Pokemon found in the Old Chateau, a legendary? On one hand, there's only one of it. So what? Same deal with Eevee. On the other hand, it can breed itself. Big deal, so can Manaphy/Phione. I don't know under which category to place its statpool, since they're kind of metagame-average. Its catch rate isn't low enough to call it a legendary either, nor its appearance level. So what do you think?

LawLessChaoz April 29th, 2007 10:58 PM

Not it isn't a legend it is just rare.

Hideki~kun April 29th, 2007 10:58 PM

I think it's just a One-Off Pokémon, like Riolu/Lucario, I wouldn't really class it as a legendary, it's not like it can OHKO three Pokémon straight. (In-game, xD)

Ayano Katagiri April 29th, 2007 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2462702)
It's been bugging me. Who considers Rotom, the new Ghost/Electric Pokemon found in the Old Chateau, a legendary? On one hand, there's only one of it. So what? Same deal with Eevee. On the other hand, it can breed itself. Big deal, so can Manaphy/Phione. I don't know under which category to place its statpool, since they're kind of metagame-average. Its catch rate isn't low enough to call it a legendary either, nor its appearance level. So what do you think?

What you've said isn't entirely accurate as well.
There isn't only one Eevee ingame, you can get more from the Pokemon Mansion. I have already 4 from there. A better example would be Lucario (as mentioned above), as that is an one-off receiving.
It's more of a half half Pokemon, it's not a legendary, but it's exclusive in being one-off to start with. I dont count it as legendary and I'm sure many others don't either... it's just one of those Pokemon... kinda similar to the Metagross chain of R/S/E.

_Prince_ April 29th, 2007 11:59 PM

I wouldn’t consider Rotom as a legend

EvilDunsparce April 30th, 2007 1:20 AM

If I remember correctly, Rotoms are part of the indeterminate egg group and can breed with Dittos. So it isn't legendary since it can lay eggs :3 Manaphy seems like a legendary to me since it doesn't produce another Manaphy in the egg...just Phione...the knock-off Pokemon. Rotoms produce more Rotoms making them less exclusive.



Being Electric/Ghost type makes for an interesting team addition. :P

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ April 30th, 2007 2:53 AM

I wish it were a legendary since I love Ghost type Pokemon but I still wont consider it a legendary

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~.

EvilDunsparce April 30th, 2007 3:16 AM

Spiritomb also seems like it would be a legendary given the lengths you have to go to get it...but it falls into that same category void in between normal and legendary Pokemon that Rotom is in :P

Ichida April 30th, 2007 9:13 AM

Spiritomb especially, since it has no elemental weakness, a good set of stats, and a decent movepool. :P

RLan69 April 30th, 2007 11:02 AM

Rotom's stats aren't up to legendary snuff. I think the lowest stats you need to be a legendary are like an avg. of 96.3 or something in base stats. All trio legendaries I believe have a 96.3.

I'm SURE that Rotom does NOT have beautiful stats comparable to Zapdos or Azelf...

Rivvon April 30th, 2007 12:45 PM

Diamond and Pearl do seem to have a lot of new legendaries...I honestly think Rotom is not a legendary, it just doesn't seem legendary material. It's hard to explain, but just look at the Pokemon that we're sure are legendary. Rotom doesn't have that air about to him.

RLan69 April 30th, 2007 7:04 PM

I think 13 Legendaries is more than enough for one generation. 14 isn't that great of a number, but "lucky 13" is :D

ilovenickle May 2nd, 2007 9:27 AM

Are there 'legends' surrounding Rotom? I haven't heard any, like poeple talked about Ho-Oh and the Regis, you know? I wouldn't consider him legendary.

bgt May 2nd, 2007 9:28 AM

I always assumed a Pocket Monster to be legendary if only one instance exists and it is unbreedable. i.e. People don't view Lucario as legendary in game format, but do in anime format.

TyranitarFan May 2nd, 2007 4:43 PM

I would say yes just because the game plays that same music as with Giratina, Heatran, and a few others.

Caleb290 May 2nd, 2007 7:56 PM

I consider rotom, lucario and spirtomb to be semi-legends :) they are rare but not legends

Sprite May 26th, 2007 11:26 AM

Yes, I consider it a legend.

SilverDragon May 26th, 2007 11:40 AM

I think Rotom is only rare cuz u can only find it in the least expected places and it appears at night time.

MetalMario May 26th, 2007 12:38 PM

Rotom is not a legendary. It's like the next Snorlax/Sudowoodo. There's only one of it for effect. And Manaphy can only breed with Ditto.

Rising_Altar7 May 26th, 2007 1:07 PM

I don't think Rotom is a legendary, It's just a rare elec/ghost pokemon that comes out at night. I've caught it with a Dusk Ball inside the Old Chateau.

ToraSushii May 26th, 2007 1:40 PM

Rotom is maybe what you can a demi-legendary. Half non-legendary and half legendary.
He's strong for soemthing SO amall.

Dragon Tamer Ed June 2nd, 2007 11:19 AM

No way. Rotom may be decent but he's no legendary.

Saryka June 4th, 2007 12:56 PM

Rotom also doesn't have the total max stats of a legendary, which is 680, I believe. Don't quote me on it *checks Wiki*

But, I must admit, its Electric/Ghost typing is very, very unique, and cool. Hey, being immune to Normal-type moves can help somehow! xD

I'm also sad because you can't catch it until after you beat the Elite Four because it's not in the Sinnoh Dex. ;_;

Faceless* June 4th, 2007 1:05 PM

NOT A LEGEND!
1. It's stats r terrible, not up to be a legend.
2. Can breed
3. something like a one pokemon only thing like a lapras, or riolu

iluvmisty June 4th, 2007 1:06 PM

Of course he's legendary!

Edit:
1. Any of the trios..DUH!!
2. Manaphy
3. That's stating what u think he is, not a reason why he ain't legendary.

Shadow June 4th, 2007 1:08 PM

As the others have said, many of its traits do not seem on par with other legends.

Though it is quite interesting that it has the Legendary battle music (meanwhile Cressalia does not).

Shiny Umbreon June 4th, 2007 1:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow (Post 2510323)
Though it is quite interesting that it has the Legendary battle music (meanwhile Cressalia does not).

Even worse, Shaymin doesn't have a special music either.


I have already said about three times in this forum that the correct definition of a legendary is "a Pokémon that can't be obtained more than once in a single game without trading or glitches".

You can get more than one Rotom by breeding, but I still think it was going to be some kind of legendary because its music is the same as Giratina's/Heatran's/Regigigas'/Darkrai's battle music AND it's a Pokémon kind of hard to get, like Feebas and Spiritomb.

Saryka June 4th, 2007 2:18 PM

Maybe it's a start of "borderline legendaries?"

It has the potential of a legendary because:
  • it has the legendary music
  • it's one of a kind in the field
  • it doesn't evolve

But it can't because:
  • its max stats don't equal 670 (or 680 in Arceus' case)
  • it's breedable

So it has the potential, but it can't because it doesn't match all the legendary criteria.

That's what I think, anyway xD

Saryka June 4th, 2007 2:54 PM

Maybe it's a start of "borderline legendaries?"

It has the potential of a legendary because:
  • it has the legendary music
  • it's one of a kind in the field
  • it doesn't evolve

But it can't because:
  • its max stats don't equal 670 (or 680 in Arceus' case)
  • it's breedable

So it has the potential, but it can't because it doesn't match all the legendary criteria.

That's what I think, anyway xD

IMTHEONEKILLINU June 4th, 2007 3:10 PM

I'm new to Pokemon but IMO, I don't think I'd even go as far as to consider it rare. Everyone that buys the game can get it. You don't need anything special to get it. Just walk up to the right person, talk to them, and go to the TV. End of story. There's only one per game, but it can breed itself, whereas Manaphy can't breed another Manaphy. It breeds a "lesser" version of itself. Rotom breeds itself just at a lower level. Ditto + Rotom = Unlimited Rotom. If it is Legendary, then who wants to trade me Male Kirlia, Magmar, etc.. for one? I'll breed the heck out of it and trade it for the 50+ Pokemon that I'm missing and you could tell everyone that you got a Legendary for your Kirlia.

ALthough I love that scenario because it benefits me, it's why I could never consider Rotom rare or Legendary. Then again, WTF do I know. This is my first Pokemon game.

TwilightBlade June 4th, 2007 3:16 PM

I don't really think it's a legendary but more of a "rare" pokemon like Milotic, Lucario, and Spiritomb which are all hard to obtain, aren't as naturally strong as legendaries, and they can breed. I guess they only added the legendary music to make you even more scared in the haunted mansion. XD

iluvmisty June 4th, 2007 3:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IMTHEONEKILLINU (Post 2510428)
I'm new to Pokemon but IMO, I don't think I'd even go as far as to consider it rare. Everyone that buys the game can get it. You don't need anything special to get it. Just walk up to the right person, talk to them, and go to the TV. End of story. There's only one per game, but it can breed itself, whereas Manaphy can't breed another Manaphy. It breeds a "lesser" version of itself. Rotom breeds itself just at a lower level. Ditto + Rotom = Unlimited Rotom. If it is Legendary, then who wants to trade me Male Kirlia, Magmar, etc.. for one? I'll breed the heck out of it and trade it for the 50+ Pokemon that I'm missing and you could tell everyone that you got a Legendary for your Kirlia.

ALthough I love that scenario because it benefits me, it's why I could never consider Rotom rare or Legendary. Then again, WTF do I know. This is my first Pokemon game.

Dude, it doesn't matter, manaphy can breed, no matter what it breeds into. Also, not every legendary has the same stats. Alot of 'em suck! Oh and also, if that's what u consider rare then no pokemon is rare cept Nintendo Event ones.

Saryka June 4th, 2007 3:42 PM

btw, I apologize for the double post. My computer was being a dumbnut and sent the form twice. =_=

I love how Manaphy can breed, but gaah... not Phione... I wanted another Manaphy. ._.

So, I guess the conclusion is... "no"? Let me tell you, it kind of was on my mind, too. xD

IMTHEONEKILLINU June 4th, 2007 3:45 PM

Your opinion is that "it doesn't matter". I disagree but it's opinion so you're entitled. As for "stats", I never mentioned them so you're obviously not refering to me, and whether or not I consider certain Pokemon Legendary or not, is again, MY OPINION. You'll notice the I prefaced my previous post with just that fact. It is In My Opinion. Personally I only consider "Legendary" Pokemon Event Pokemon, but then again, that's me and I knowit's not how people look at the world of Pokemon. Legends should be those you really only "hear of" and not those you can easily obtain by playing a game. Now "rare" pokemon is a different story. Personally I think that Dialga, Palkia, Deoxys, etc., are rare rather than Legendary. But once again, it My Opinion. You're entitled to yours.

iluvmisty June 4th, 2007 4:12 PM

I replied like a paragraph but there was a database error and I don't want to repeat it so here it is in a nutshell.
I was talking to someone else during that part
Breeding is breeding
Legendary is not opinionated for most pokes. Maybe for Rotom but not for pokes lie Mewtwo, in yer opinion only Nintendo Events are legends but Mewtwo by definition is legendary. Opinion or not.

IMTHEONEKILLINU June 4th, 2007 4:44 PM

I respect your opinion, and as I said, you're entitled. I don't agree with the way things are, but hey, that's me. Personally the gene pool is full of bastardized Pokemon due to the fact that you can "make" anything you want. It's my opinion that there is virtually no such thing as a Legendary these days. What makes it Legendary when someone with a computer and software can make you the ultimate Pokemon team?

I guess wher ewe see things differently is in the definition of the word Legend. I think of it as something unobtainable, or unverifiable. I heard X Pokemon exists, but I've never seen one. IMO, that's a Legend. I'm sure it's not how most people here or anywhere within the Pokemon community, look at a Legend, but don't forget that I'm new to this and therefore, still grounded in reality in my thinking and rationalization.

SilverDragon June 4th, 2007 4:49 PM

i think rotom is a special pokemon, once you have the chance to catch it, take it. so to me it is not considered a legendary but more likely a rare.

Saryka June 4th, 2007 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IMTHEONEKILLINU (Post 2510595)
I guess wher ewe see things differently is in the definition of the word Legend. I think of it as something unobtainable, or unverifiable. I heard X Pokemon exists, but I've never seen one. IMO, that's a Legend. I'm sure it's not how most people here or anywhere within the Pokemon community, look at a Legend, but don't forget that I'm new to this and therefore, still grounded in reality in my thinking and rationalization.

Hmm, I can see where you're coming from. Haha, I guess I was coming from a technical point of view (a.k.a "stats" and whatnow). I guess the Rotom topic can be totally left open, depending on your point of view on how the term "Legendary" is used. Heck, I like what you said. It makes a lot of sense. xD

IMTHEONEKILLINU June 4th, 2007 5:46 PM

Yeah. My problem is that I'm am new to Pokemon and as I said, this is my first game. I'm only into the collecting aspect at this point, so I don't look at stats. I breed only to get the Pokemon that I'm missing, and not for a skill or stat. IF, I ever get them all, then I'll pursue the stat and battle aspect.

That being said, I just look at it as the collecting of Legendary Pokemon. To me, a unicorn would be legendary. I've heard of them but never seen one. It's just a matter of perception I suppose. Personally it doesn't matter to me. I haven't found a Pokemon that I can't get my virtual hands on regardless of whether it's "legendary" or not. The only thing keeping me from having all 493, is the fact that I haven't "seen" them all within the game or through battles. If I had, I could just hop onto the GTS and get myself one. That ease, IMO precludes any Pokemon from being Legendary. I'm trying to get a Dawn Stone to evo my male Kirlia into Gallade. Right now, he's as "Legendary" as it gets for me along with Magmortar and Electrvire. D4mn Dawn Stones!

IMTHEONEKILLINU June 4th, 2007 5:46 PM

Yeah. My problem is that I'm am new to Pokemon and as I said, this is my first game. I'm only into the collecting aspect at this point, so I don't look at stats. I breed only to get the Pokemon that I'm missing, and not for a skill or stat. IF, I ever get them all, then I'll pursue the stat and battle aspect.

That being said, I just look at it as the collecting of Legendary Pokemon. To me, a unicorn would be legendary. I've heard of them but never seen one. It's just a matter of perception I suppose. Personally it doesn't matter to me. I haven't found a Pokemon that I can't get my virtual hands on regardless of whether it's "legendary" or not. The only thing keeping me from having all 493, is the fact that I haven't "seen" them all within the game or through battles. If I had, I could just hop onto the GTS and get myself one. That ease, IMO precludes any Pokemon from being Legendary. I'm trying to get a Dawn Stone to evo my male Kirlia into Gallade. Right now, he's as "Legendary" as it gets for me along with Magmortar and Electrvire. D4mn Dawn Stones!

chaomocha June 5th, 2007 3:52 PM

ok i think this question should be changed

new question: do u think rotom should be legendary?

rotom is a legend no matter what, you can't get around that, its just how its classified, he's an official legendary

but i don't think he should be so i voted no

Forci Stikane June 5th, 2007 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaomocha (Post 2511448)
ok i think this question should be changed

new question: do u think rotom should be legendary?

rotom is a legend no matter what, you can't get around that, its just how its classified, he's an official legendary

but i don't think he should be so i voted no

Biggest point of this thread: Rotom can breed itself. Therefore, NOT a Legendary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMTHEONEKILLINU
Yeah. My problem is that I'm am new to Pokemon and as I said, this is my first game. I'm only into the collecting aspect at this point, so I don't look at stats. I breed only to get the Pokemon that I'm missing, and not for a skill or stat. IF, I ever get them all, then I'll pursue the stat and battle aspect.

That being said, I just look at it as the collecting of Legendary Pokemon. To me, a unicorn would be legendary. I've heard of them but never seen one. It's just a matter of perception I suppose. Personally it doesn't matter to me. I haven't found a Pokemon that I can't get my virtual hands on regardless of whether it's "legendary" or not. The only thing keeping me from having all 493, is the fact that I haven't "seen" them all within the game or through battles. If I had, I could just hop onto the GTS and get myself one. That ease, IMO precludes any Pokemon from being Legendary. I'm trying to get a Dawn Stone to evo my male Kirlia into Gallade. Right now, he's as "Legendary" as it gets for me along with Magmortar and Electrvire. D4mn Dawn Stones!

So, in your opinion, control over space, time, ocean, and land should belong to non-Legendary Pokemon? Hmm...

IMTHEONEKILLINU June 5th, 2007 4:28 PM

You'd have to expound on that before I could even begin to reply.

Forci Stikane June 5th, 2007 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IMTHEONEKILLINU (Post 2511491)
You'd have to expound on that before I could even begin to reply.

I do believe you just did. At least that's enough of a reply for me, anyway.

Shiny Umbreon June 6th, 2007 4:32 PM

Music may be a hint it was going to be legendary or something like that, but that and the stats has nothing to do.

The lack evolution line used to be another sign of a legendary, but Manaphy came and ruined it because, accept it or not, but Phione is its pre-evolution. Because Rotom breeds and you get another Rotom, it is NOT a legendary, because a legendary is "A POKÉMON THAT CAN'T BE OBTAINED MORE THAN ONCE IN A SINGLE POKÉMON GAME WITHOUT TRADING OR CHEATS"!!!

Lapras1016 June 8th, 2007 5:35 AM

I'll clear this up once and for all: Rotom is NOT legendary. Just because its battle music is the legendary battle music doesn't mean it's legendary. It's not THAT strong enough. It can breed normally, unlike Manaphy who will always produce Phione and no Manaphys.

It can be misleading, though, as it's the only new Non-Legendary that doesn't evolve from an older Pokemon that you can get only after getting the National Dex.

Trust me, it's not legendary.

kohei June 8th, 2007 6:18 AM

tl;dr, although I'm sure someone made comparisons of Rotom with Snorlax. Hence, its not a legendary in my opinion.

Still, the haunted mansion scared the heck out of me (ghosts, moving picture, TV), so Rotom is "legendary" in that sense. It was a nice encounter. Never expected a TV to do that.

UnitRico June 15th, 2007 1:11 PM

The stats just can't make it a legendary! Check serebii, D/P pokedex and the scroll down. there is the top 100 of stats totals. Some of them, the highest legi is about 5 or 7. so the stats dont make difference for me.
And the music still bothers me. Why does Rotom have it, and Cresselia and Shaymin don't?
And last, maybe weak, Rotom is listed in the end of the National Dex, places only for legendaries. That was a weak one, but I still believe he's semi-legi. I mean, he has a sort of event. If you go there, the gym leader stands there and talks about ghosts!
Well...that's it...

Apathetic_Yen July 3rd, 2007 9:29 PM

I have the best answer to why Rotom is not legendary. The creators said so.

Chompah :x July 3rd, 2007 9:34 PM

he's semi legendary.
he has the music and all..

от_Ian July 3rd, 2007 9:43 PM

Rotom isn't a legendary. Neither is Spiritomb (you can breed them with gengars to make more Spiritombs) speaking of which I have a spare spiritomb egg if anyone wants one.

UnitRico July 3rd, 2007 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brocklee (Post 2583492)
I have the best answer to why Rotom is not legendary. The creators said so.

Aah...yeah...umm...ok I give up! :)

~Cya, UnitRico

Mizer July 3rd, 2007 9:49 PM

Rotom would be more fit to be called an uber instead of a Legendary

Melody July 3rd, 2007 9:50 PM

Rotom isnt legendary. It's just rare. Same with Spiritomb. It's rare. It can only be found in the wild in 1 place.

Abyssion July 3rd, 2007 11:50 PM

I don't really consider Rotom a legendary. It's just a rare pokemon that has the legendary battle theme and is right next to the other legendaries in the D/P pokédex. His stats and breeding ability just don't fit the legendary criteria.

UnitRico July 4th, 2007 7:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abyssion (Post 2583750)
I don't really consider Rotom a legendary. It's just a rare pokemon that has the legendary battle theme and is right next to the other legendaries in the D/P pokédex. His stats and breeding ability just don't fit the legendary criteria.

I told that before, stats don't make the real difference. Check what I said, please

~Cya, UnitRico

Eureka1 July 4th, 2007 8:28 AM

hes not because..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendary_Pok%C3%A9mon

wikipedia said so :D

ultima2096 July 4th, 2007 8:48 AM

haha, dont believe everything you read on wikipedia!!lol

i go with no, due to the inferious base stats, found at lvl 15 etc.
its more of an easter egg pokemon

PokeWarped July 4th, 2007 12:36 PM

Rotom is pretty much a semi-legend.
Legend Reasons:
1. Legend Music/Screen
2. Elusive
3. Type (No Electric/Ghosts I know of 'sides it.)

Non-Legend Reasons:
1. Breedable
2. More than one
3. Non-Legend Stats

I would say that Rotom is pretty hard to hit for a Lv. 15. Poke.

Miso July 4th, 2007 1:13 PM

Well, I would believe legendaries would be spoken about in game. If I remember correctly, no NPC actually said anything about Rotom, if at some did, well then I don't read enough. But that's contradicted because I haven't seen any NPC say anything about Shaymin, if I'm wrong, sorry. Unless Shaymin is only mentioned when we are able to get it. I believe Rotom is just an exclusive Pokemon, that's unlocked by an event. Such as Spiritomb and Lucario. Though, it having the legendary music just throws me off. I wouldn't know why. (From what I read, turned off my music when I was catching it)

Also, PokeWarped, are you stating that legendaries have different types from all Pokemon, if you're not, I probably just interpreted incorrectly. Palkia is a Water/Dragon, correct? Isn't Kingdra the same type as Palkia? Rotom just has a unique type is all.

Josh!a July 4th, 2007 3:14 PM

i think it's just another on of a kind that can breed so it belongs with castform!


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