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Typhoon May 16th, 2007 11:42 AM

Yeah, Nintendo's gotta realize the demand for a GS remake. It definitely won't be called Zirconia though. Why name the third one after something that's a cheaper imitation of a Diamond?

ihaveaquestion May 16th, 2007 4:57 PM

agreed... did you no that i have a shining zizagoon lvl 100... representin

Ichida May 16th, 2007 4:59 PM

Not to add to the horrible off-topicness of that post, but why would you have a lv100 Zigzagoon at all, shiny or not? Yes, I too am "representing." Representing common freaking sense. <.<;

Psi Yamaneko May 16th, 2007 5:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichaste Pekoni (Post 2483339)
Interesting...but they seem to talk about Giratina in that area as if its the controller of death, and not even related to Dialga/Palkia...well, while it IS obvious that Giratina would be the star of the third game (unless they pull a Crystal and make it Mesprit), I don't think it actually belongs with Dialga or Palkia. I think it's more of the anti-Arceus, in a similar vein to the Kyogre/Groudon rivalry back in R/S/E. After all, death is the opposite of life, and they talk about Giratina & Arceus in those respects, so...

Anyway, um...yes, it would be nice to get a G/S remake...but if it happens it won't be for a while, so we will be speculating for some time more.

Death is opposite life which, really, started with Mew as the first basic non-deity or with Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as actual Life. It is NOT, however, opposite Existence. Arceus created the Universe through its Emanations and its children. Dialga and Palkia are Matter and the children are Consciousness (I said all this already). So Giratina is probably less an Anti-Arceus than an anti-Matter (the Void), thus standing against Palkia and Dialga. ...That probably made no sense.

...I veered off topic again, sorry.

ihaveaquestion May 16th, 2007 5:23 PM

1. pick-up

2. its the coolest pokemon name no matter wat u say

3. its got a cool sound when it enters battle

4. i only use it in-game

5. i luv shinies

6. its as cute as u

7. it represents

Ichida May 16th, 2007 5:25 PM

And yet Linoone also has Pickup, is much stronger, looks much slicker than Zigzagoon.

And please, for the sake of the entire board's sanity, stop using the term "represent." It burns the brains of anyone with a triple-digit IQ.

Star★Seeker May 16th, 2007 7:06 PM

Well, Giratina's pokedex description has it as the Rebellion pokemon, here's my plot:
Arseus originally created the world with 3 deitys, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina.Arceus appointed each a domain, Giratina's Domain was Void.Giratina was not pleased,as he wanted more power and veneration(sp?).Giratina rebelled and tried to destroy the world, but the lake trio created Turnback Cave and sealed him inside.But Giratina escped the cave and plunged the world into chaos, but the Trio created Lake of Rage and sealed Giratina once again.

Aethos May 16th, 2007 8:27 PM

THERE BETTER BE A JOHTO REMAKE..tho
what i want the most is just a final game where they make new pokes....
u start of with one..and u choose which region to satrt at
sinno hoenn kanto or johto and just like in GS once u beat that region u go to another one until u beat all....woulnt that be tight? the game owuld be long as crap..but would be entertaining

FullmetalxFangirl May 16th, 2007 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivvon (Post 2482186)
Sure, in Shinnoh there are plenty of references to Johto, but there are plenty to Hoenn as well. Jasmine is in Sunyshore, and a nameless Hoenner is in Heathome. The guy you trade shards with for TMs is from the Weather Institute from Hoenn. There are probably others, and although I must admit the Johto cameos are most prominent, there are plenty of them for Hoenn as well.

Kanto wants some love, too D:

Jim May 17th, 2007 6:25 AM

It could turn out that all these things are intended and unintendid Easter Eggs. But I suppose that they've put them there it also leaves it open to Ideas for the Sequel, so they have something too work off. Like they put Jasmine there as a cameo and may turn out using her for one reason or another... All so confusing. But people here are coming up with nice plots maybe we should seige control of Nintendo... Also what's all this talk about a Shiny Zigzagoon?

Forci Stikane May 17th, 2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psi Yamaneko (Post 2483564)
Death is opposite life which, really, started with Mew as the first basic non-deity or with Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as actual Life. It is NOT, however, opposite Existence. Arceus created the Universe through its Emanations and its children. Dialga and Palkia are Matter and the children are Consciousness (I said all this already). So Giratina is probably less an Anti-Arceus than an anti-Matter (the Void), thus standing against Palkia and Dialga. ...That probably made no sense.

No, not really.

True enough, death is not the opposite of existence. The opposite of existence would be nothingness, or as you so nicely put it, the Void.

I could say more, but this is neither the time nor place for it (pun not intended).

Psi Yamaneko May 17th, 2007 11:55 AM

I added more to that statement but for some reason the board enjoys not processing my edits suddenly.

In terms of portfolio, Giratina DOES seem opposite Arceus, however, in effect it's opposite to, but on the same level as, Dialga and Palkia. If it were an Anti-Arceus it would be considerably more powerful than it is and it wouldn't resemble Dialga and Palkia so much. I feel strongly that Arceus made it and then it rejected its originally appointed duty in the cosmos for some reason. (Not to mention that if it had to be opposed to Arceus, that would require Arceus taking a more active role in the story which just doesn't happen with Event Pokemon). What that duty is, I couldn't say. But it rejected it and became the Renegade.

renegade: One who rejects a religion, cause, allegiance, or group for another; a deserter.

Eitherway I think we all agree (mostly) that Giratina will be our next-gen avatar. If it is, and Johto makes an appearance as the original post inquired about, do you suppose Giratina and Johto will be somehow intertwined in the plot?

Shiny Umbreon May 17th, 2007 12:38 PM

There can't be such a big change in the same generation. FR/LG added the Sevii Islands, but they were remakes. It would be as if Gold and Silver had had only Johto and ONLY crystal had Johto and Kanto. It's too much change. Also, they wouldn't be making more Pokémon in the same generation. That's why they program Pokémon even if they are unobtainable.

Why so many references to Johot? To clarify when the storyline takes place.

Apart from Emerald, the third game doesn't add many things. Yellow had Pikachu as a starter, Team Rocket and Mew in the Jap version. Crystal had Eusine and the Battle Tower. So Opal (possible name, but it's sure to feature Giratina) will NOT adds many stuff. That includes an entire region.

ihaveaquestion May 17th, 2007 1:05 PM

i have a shining zigzagoon if your were askin... but i don't really think that this thread is all that important...

Ichida May 17th, 2007 1:31 PM

And yet you continue to post in it. <.<

ihaveaquestion May 17th, 2007 1:45 PM

lol... ichida... do u h8 me or sumthin... I GOT IT... ur jealous of shining zigzagoon.... but w/e... its tyt... um... i just don't really understand wat it is sayin... and do u like kirklie(really bad spelling) cause i think that that is the fariest pokemon of all...

Ichida May 17th, 2007 1:55 PM

No idea who "Kirklie" is. I don't necessarily "hate" you, you just annoy me to no end with your weird beliefs regarding Pokemon and lack of anything representing proper usage of English.

ihaveaquestion May 17th, 2007 2:08 PM

well... i luv u... even if u r ugly... but i do h8 it how u always get everything off topic...

Zeturic May 17th, 2007 2:11 PM

If there is an Opal there is 0% chance of Johtp being in it, reasons have already been stated.

I personally do think that the references mean something... So maybe they will make a remake of Gold/Silver... How could the legendary dogs be in it If they were obtainable in Firered/Leafgreen?

Jim May 17th, 2007 2:18 PM

Agggh! Can someone please lock this topic? Thanks for the input everyone but the topic's served it's purpose and is getting Spammy by people who can't spell, punctuate or shut up about Shiny Zigzagoons.

Ichida May 17th, 2007 2:18 PM

The fact is, every Pokemon is obtainable in D/P except for starters and legendaries from the old games, who are easily Pal Parkable, so a third game isn't even needed, whereas with the GBA games there were always Pokemon you could only find in each game.

Psi Yamaneko May 17th, 2007 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2484598)
The fact is, every Pokemon is obtainable in D/P except for starters and legendaries from the old games, who are easily Pal Parkable, so a third game isn't even needed, whereas with the GBA games there were always Pokemon you could only find in each game.

That's the one point that kills my hope a little. However, all the fuss we fans make about GSC does talk so there's money to be made in it. I don't know anyone who wouldn't leap at the chance to play a remake.

And...well. Money talks. Loudly.

ihaveaquestion May 17th, 2007 3:47 PM

i don't know... id like a gold/silver remake... cause i wasn't ever a good enough pokemon master to get those starters from profesor whoever... i'd play it...

ps... zigzagoon is tyt.. he represents...

pps... representin


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