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Aethos May 16th, 2007 8:17 PM

why is there a church inn DP???could it be subliminal messaging?
 
just tell me what u guys htink about the church in hearthrome..personally i think it is ridiculous..tho it doesnt bother me..i think the game would be much better off without it...last thing we need is another scientology crap..where ppl worship pikachu

Richard Lynch May 16th, 2007 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aethos (Post 2483669)
just tell me what u guys htink about the church in hearthrome..personally i think it is ridiculous..tho it doesnt bother me..i think the game would be much better off without it...last thing we need is another scientology crap..where ppl worship pikachu

I actually agree with you... as an atheist, it slightly bothered me to have a church in the game, although it never openly says "church" - there's no minister or anything. So my guess is that it can be affiliated with whatever religion the player is part of. Except people like me, of course. ;-)

Still, no items can be found in it, no hints, no goodies... so why is it there??

Typhoon May 16th, 2007 9:01 PM

It shows you how real the legend of Arceus really is. I think the church is one that worships Arceus, so you can see that it's not just a tale that was passed down from generation to generation, but was actually something sacred and believed to be true.

Mastabreeda May 16th, 2007 9:15 PM

Also the ppl seem pretty sad in there could be nostalgic for the old pokemon tower in R/B and LG/FR. Just a thought...And yes as you said didn't say 'Church' so I believed it to be a memorial site like in older versions.

Richard Lynch May 16th, 2007 9:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastabreeda (Post 2483723)
Also the ppl seem pretty sad in there could be nostalgic for the old pokemon tower in R/B and LG/FR. Just a thought...And yes as you said didn't say 'Church' so I believed it to be a memorial site like in older versions.

But there's already a "pokemon tower" in the game, where you get Strength. It has all the makings of a sort of religious temple, but maybe it could be in the name of a certain Pokemon. It really didn't bother me too too much, but it did raise an eyebrow.

Typhoon May 16th, 2007 9:26 PM

There's also the Snowpoint Temple. I wonder what all these different spiritual centers worship.

Melody May 16th, 2007 9:32 PM

I agree...It is nothing more than an object to renforce the storyline. It brings a connection between you and the characters...You belive in God, They belive in Aruseus...the theme is there to connect it to sacredness...It helps you understand how sacred the legend it to the characters in the game...Nothing more to it...As long you know how to separate the good teaching values in Pokemon games from fictional fluff that is used to communicate those values to a broad audience...You must decide what you belive is right and wrong...No game should ever dictate that. If you cannot decide for yourself then go to your pastor or religious expert or even a trusted friend or your parents...Once you know Right from Wrong you will automatically sort out the folly and will not have to worry about learning something wrong from it again...Just dont overreact. Nintendo has made sure that most of the content doesnt offend anyone...Except the odd few you can never please *coughextremistscough*

Gary, the Magic Fairy May 16th, 2007 9:41 PM

Quote:

just tell me what u guys htink about the church in hearthrome..personally i think it is ridiculous..tho it doesnt bother me..i think the game would be much better off without it...last thing we need is another scientology crap..where ppl worship pikachu
Um.. I think you're taking the game way too seriously if your complaining about a building that isn't hurting anything, not involving the gameplay whatsoever, and then making some asinine, irrelivant, and possibly offensive comment about scientology and even more random one about worshipping a Pikachu. FYI, Scientology =/= Pikachu worship.

Seriously, is it really affecting your gameplay, or do you just like to whine about things? It isn't even a church. It's probably the same as the pokemon tower in Lavender town, minus the ghosts and usefulness. If you don't like it, don't go in.

I like it. It makes the town less dull and boring, and more unique.

Ichida May 16th, 2007 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoon
I think the church is one that worships Arceus,

This quote has started a new faith: Arceusism. XDDD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typhoon
There's also the Snowpoint Temple.

Snowpoint worships Regigigas. *Regigigasism starts.*

Typhoon May 16th, 2007 9:57 PM

I don't have a problem with talking about this subject. I'm glad that Aethos brought it up, cuz it did bring more discussion to the forums. (BTW, I'm agnostic).

Regigigasism is probably the worst name for a religion ever. LOL. It just rolls off your tongue, doesn't it? [/sarcasm lol]

Ichida May 16th, 2007 10:00 PM

Regigigasismregigigasismregigigasism. XDD.

And yeah, I could be called agnostic as well. I really don't know, or care, why they put a church in Hearthome, but the temple is like a staple of RPGs, to guard some secret power, in this case Regigigas.

Richard Lynch May 16th, 2007 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2483748)
This quote has started a new faith: Arceusism. XDDD.



Snowpoint worships Regigigas. *Regigigasism starts.*

Ha! Nice.

I'm personally a Frisbeetarianist...

We believe that when you die, your soul flies up and gets stuck on the roof.

I've been looking into Pastafarianism also.

usami May 16th, 2007 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aethos (Post 2483669)
just tell me what u guys htink about the church in hearthrome..personally i think it is ridiculous..tho it doesnt bother me..i think the game would be much better off without it...last thing we need is another scientology crap..where ppl worship pikachu

Aethos, as the rules clearly state "Do not take a person's age, sex, sexuality, religion, race or color and use it in any derogatory manner.", so yeah.. calling scientology crap is definitely in violation of this rule, so please do not do so again.

Cross May 16th, 2007 10:57 PM

I heard it was an Art Musiem (Sp?). I don't think they would put religion in Pokemon, otherwise they'd be sued to hell. =(

Maxim May 16th, 2007 11:13 PM

Yeeeah!

uhcakip pihsrow uoy ekam ot segassem lanimilbus stup odnetnin

Honestly, I'm the Subliminal Message expert.
If I spotted a message in Pokemon, I'm sure I'd notice that.

Did you listen to Led Zeppelin's Stairway To Heaven Backwards?
THAT is a subliminal message for ya!

And no wimps can do.

Steve Z May 17th, 2007 3:27 AM

I think it wouldn't effect the game either way, it's not like it has a sign saying "YOUR RELIGION SUCKS!" It's a church, just a church, nothing more than pixels.
Another opinion I have is, maybe Nintendo, and all of them are making up for that "swastika" incident on the trainer card with Golbat on it.

Typhoon May 17th, 2007 6:51 AM

They don't need to make up for anything regarding the swastika. In eastern cultures, the swastika originates in India and has arms pointing left (although it's also been written with the arms pointing right) and symbolizes life. The Nazi swastika that you're all familiar with was a deliberate corruption of the eastern swastika (its arms point right).

BlueHippo May 17th, 2007 7:37 AM

i love how they took the time to create a whole in-depth meaning of the universe according to pokemon, gave me a good laugh :P

the universe was created by the great one! and our area was created by a spirit with 3 gods to keep it in balance.

and then at the same time they are alway trying to force evolution down our throats ;)

and rowan said that all pokemon evolve except legendaries, well what about spiritomb and chatot? eh? EH?

Typhoon May 17th, 2007 7:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueHippo (Post 2484089)
and rowan said that all pokemon evolve except legendaries, well what about spiritomb and chatot? eh? EH?

Their evolutions haven't been discovered yet. Scyther, Magmar, Electabuzz, Jinx, etc used to be non-evolving, too. We might see Chatot and Spiritomb having evolutions or pre-evolutions in the next gen.

BlueHippo May 17th, 2007 8:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoon (Post 2484099)
Their evolutions haven't been discovered yet. Scyther, Magmar, Electabuzz, Jinx, etc used to be non-evolving, too. We might see Chatot and Spiritomb having evolutions or pre-evolutions in the next gen.

yeah i know, they have to leave some mystery for the other games ;) but in this game they took every pokemon that didn't have any evolutions and gave them a new form. i look forward to the spiritomb evolution, but couldn't care less about chatot :P

Richard Lynch May 17th, 2007 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxim (Post 2483785)
Yeeeah!

uhcakip pihsrow uoy ekam ot segassem lanimilbus stup odnetnin

Honestly, I'm the Subliminal Message expert.
If I spotted a message in Pokemon, I'm sure I'd notice that.

Did you listen to Led Zeppelin's Stairway To Heaven Backwards?
THAT is a subliminal message for ya!

And no wimps can do.

Actually, from a psychological stance, "backward messages" don't do anything to your brain. And it turns out that the whole "backwards" song revolution is quite pointless. If I play a piece backwards and tell you I hear "Jesus loves pork chops"... you'll listen for that, and probably hear it.

Take a look at a few alcohol ads, or the "flower" paintings of Georgia O'Keeffe... THOSE, my friend, are true blue subliminal messages.

PARAN01A May 17th, 2007 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoon (Post 2483731)
There's also the Snowpoint Temple. I wonder what all these different spiritual centers worship.

who the hell would worship regigigas -_- seriously XD XD XD

Zyph May 17th, 2007 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PARAN01A (Post 2484406)
who the hell would worship regigigas -_- seriously XD XD XD

Would you rather get stomped on?



:P

PARAN01A May 17th, 2007 1:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typhoon (Post 2483731)
There's also the Snowpoint Temple. I wonder what all these different spiritual centers worship.

who the hell would worship regigigas -_- seriously XD XD XD

GeorgeWBushSupporter May 17th, 2007 2:44 PM

I don't think it matters. They never said it affiliated into any religion (unless it was meant to be meant for the legendary pokemon) so it can't offend anyone and it shouldn't.

ihaveaquestion May 17th, 2007 4:28 PM

i really hope that it is a catholic church...

- www.google.com

Gyardosamped May 17th, 2007 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ihaveaquestion (Post 2484801)
i really hope that it is a catholic church...

- www.google.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airadriel (Post 2483777)
ihaveaquestion, as the rules clearly state "Do not take a person's age, sex, sexuality, religion, race or color and use it in any derogatory manner.

Quote from the mod:

Anyways, about the " church ", uh.. I got the quote from the guy that is looking at the huge pictures in side the church with the big mountain on it and it says " And there do I see my fater. My som. My life.

And there do I see nature. Pokemon. The world. "

As for another girl in the church here is what I got " There are still words not everyone can describe...

The words are " Love" and "Joy ". "

I really think this is a shrine of some legendaries of some sort. Althought I get an idea from looking at the pictures in the supposed " Church " that it looks like a mountain bursting smoke. Can it be the " POKEMON MOVIE 9 " well from it. ??

ihaveaquestion May 17th, 2007 5:01 PM

i think it is... but my bad... i didn't mean 4 it 2 b like that... just makin a joke...

Aethos May 17th, 2007 6:26 PM

dont blow what i said out of proporcion..i was just stating it slightly bothers me..i know it reinforces the storyline yet i dont think it was for the better just by honest opinion...and yeah.....srry to say scientology was bad i apologise......anyways im not here to make fun of anyones religion just saying its a little weird

once again i apologise i wont do it again i really didnt mean to offend anyone....one of my friends is scientologist and me and him crack jokes at each other all the time...he makes fun of god and stuf..anyways it wasnt my pale to say....

one more thing...
the architecture of the church is clearly made to look like a romannesque church....BUT all the other ones are temples like daikijin or some japanese derivative..woulnt this be hurting the storyline...i knwo its really minute detail yet i just wanted to point it out

Mod edit: Don't double post. Use the Edit button. Look at the bottom of your post and you should see it. ;3

Blaziken626 May 17th, 2007 6:36 PM

I was a bit surprised when I saw that building. I thought, "A church in D/P?!?!" But, the thought that it could be to worship Arceus never came to me. Maybe it'll play a role in the 'Emerald' of the game?

Innagadadavida May 17th, 2007 7:28 PM

I think the church is irrelevant. If anything, it adds a little realism to the city. Religion was a huge part in the development of civilization in the real world, and there are temples like that everywhere in the real world, so why not? It doesn't once tell you to worship God or Budda, or Allah, or even Arcaus.

Also, the game says that mythology states that Arcaus is the creator. MYTHOLOGY.

Melody May 17th, 2007 7:46 PM

I agree...It's just a little something they threw in there to reinfoce the Idea that Pokemon have been around since the beginning of time. In the game of course.

Myzou May 18th, 2007 1:24 AM

the church is no different then the towers that dead pokemon rest in, it's a place where people can go to pray for their lost pokemon, if they do not want to head to the solaceon tower...

Steve Z May 18th, 2007 5:13 AM

Technically, it's not a church.
Most churches have pews, the one in the game has tables, and no alter.

lanceaaron May 18th, 2007 6:08 AM

OP takes pokemon too seriously.

Megaa May 18th, 2007 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lanceaaron (Post 2485572)
OP takes pokemon too seriously.

Person who got offended by the curch takes pokemon too seriously.

Jirachi3 May 18th, 2007 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxim (Post 2483785)
Did you listen to Led Zeppelin's Stairway To Heaven Backwards?
THAT is a subliminal message for ya!

Yea...how would i go about doing that?

wakachamo May 18th, 2007 1:52 PM

In my opinion I think the Pokémon world has its own world - Pokémonism. That should explain a lot, since the priest/weird-looking dude at the front talks about Pokémon. =P

Jirachi3 May 18th, 2007 1:53 PM

Ichida i want to let you know, your words have impacted me so much that i have quoted you in my sig :P

Portujesus May 18th, 2007 2:05 PM

Arceus is GOD. PUNISHMENT!!!!

Jirachi3 May 18th, 2007 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Portujesus (Post 2486151)
Arceus is GOD. PUNISHMENT!!!!

Is it just me or does any1 think its ironic this guy has "jesus" in his name?

wakachamo May 18th, 2007 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jirachi3 (Post 2486129)
Ichida i want to let you know, your words have impacted me so much that i have quoted you in my sig :P

Well to be honest people mention hints to Arceus an awful lot in D/P - especially the plates, obviously, but it looks as if people are conscious that something exists beyong Dialga/Palkia.

Portujesus May 18th, 2007 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by graceofbaal (Post 2484306)
Actually, from a psychological stance, "backward messages" don't do anything to your brain. And it turns out that the whole "backwards" song revolution is quite pointless. If I play a piece backwards and tell you I hear "Jesus loves pork chops"... you'll listen for that, and probably hear it.

Take a look at a few alcohol ads, or the "flower" paintings of Georgia O'Keeffe... THOSE, my friend, are true blue subliminal messages.

Thank you. I just found a way to stop playing pokémon. New hobby!:D

Luminous_Reaver May 18th, 2007 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graceofbaal (Post 2483728)
But there's already a "pokemon tower" in the game, where you get Strength. It has all the makings of a sort of religious temple, but maybe it could be in the name of a certain Pokemon. It really didn't bother me too too much, but it did raise an eyebrow.

Who cares.
Religion is a part of culture. Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean the entire Pokemon world has to be too. -__-
Just walk by it the same way I walk by real churches.

(Well I checked the place pretty good for some items and left sad, actually...)

Archer May 18th, 2007 11:11 PM

I was atheist until i discovered CMmewtwo. seeing is believing....

theclaw May 18th, 2007 11:32 PM

"Every" nonlegendary Pokemon? No... You're forgetting Lapras, Pinsir, Ditto, Dunsparce, Spinda, etc.

Yani May 19th, 2007 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Aethos (Post 2483669)
just tell me what u guys htink about the church in hearthrome..personally i think it is ridiculous..tho it doesnt bother me..i think the game would be much better off without it...last thing we need is another scientology crap..where ppl worship pikachu

This one's kinda funny....^_^

Turismo2029 May 19th, 2007 3:27 AM

Graceofbaal, I don't intend any harm here, but when you say you are an atheist, do you mean you support the big bang theory?

Because that's what atheism is.. thing is, how is that any more founded than any religions beliefs in how the universe started?

Most people who claim to be atheist are actually too dumb to be an atheist as they don't understand what the word means, or even if they do, they can't explain what makes atheism more logical than any other religion.

I don't follow any religion, I'm just wondering if you know what you are talking about when you say you are an atheist.

As for the "church" in the game, it doesn't bother me at all, I paid virtually no attention to it. :P

Yani May 19th, 2007 3:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Turismo2029 (Post 2486940)
Graceofbaal, I don't intend any harm here, but when you say you are an atheist, do you mean you support the big bang theory?

Because that's what atheism is.. thing is, how is that any more founded than any religions beliefs in how the universe started?

Most people who claim to be atheist are actually too dumb to be an atheist as they don't understand what the word means, or even if they do, they can't explain what makes atheism more logical than any other religion.

I don't follow any religion, I'm just wondering if you know what you are talking about when you say you are an atheist.

As for the "church" in the game, it doesn't bother me at all, I paid virtually no attention to it. :P


Now this a is a standing ovasion declaration...*claps for Turismo-kun* ^_^

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ May 19th, 2007 3:48 AM

I really dont care about the church and it doesn't bother me one bit.

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~

Turismo2029 May 19th, 2007 3:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Yani (Post 2486942)
Now this a is a standing ovasion declaration...*claps for Turismo-kun* ^_^

Why thank you, kind sir. :)

Typhoon May 19th, 2007 7:57 AM

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Originally Posted by theclaw (Post 2486819)
"Every" nonlegendary Pokemon? No... You're forgetting Lapras, Pinsir, Ditto, Dunsparce, Spinda, etc.

Who are you talking to? That's why we have "quotes".
Quote:

Originally Posted by Turismo2029 (Post 2486940)
Graceofbaal, I don't intend any harm here, but when you say you are an atheist, do you mean you support the big bang theory?

Because that's what atheism is.. thing is, how is that any more founded than any religions beliefs in how the universe started?

Well, if you don't think the big bang theory is any more founded than religious beliefs, then I assume you either don't believe in science or you think of science as just another mindset equal to religion. In any case, I just wanna say that I give science top priority, but I believe people should be allowed to believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't get in my way :)

To add to the conversation, I don't think the church in Hearthome was meant to be taken so seriously. It's just there for realism, cuz religion is something that exists (or at least has a history) in almost every culture. IMO, a better step toward realism is kitchens and bathrooms. For some reason, almost all the houses in Pokemon are one-story and one-room. Nobody gets any privacy. Maybe that's what they're praying for in the church: some privacy please.

usami May 19th, 2007 8:33 AM

Wow, this thread is going way too off-topic, and I predict it going even more off-topic, hence me closing it now.

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