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jscn12 May 9th, 2004 1:59 PM

Heracorss Help
 
Hey, i need some help. My friend has a very good heracross (it is lvl 50 and beat my lvl 100 sceptile...). I need a good stradegy to beat it, any ideas?

Frostweaver May 9th, 2004 2:10 PM

something at lvl 100 losing to lvl 50 is quite a problem... you sure that your friend didn't cheat? Even any special attack at this rate should KO Heracross for your Sceptile even if there is no EV training because the lvl difference is so great... May want to check your friend's heracross's stats to see if it's "normal"...

Heracross is easily defeatable by dodrio. Use drill peck the first turn. If it endures to try to start endure/reversal, quick attack ;p

Dodrio- [atk + / sp.atk -] @ lum berry
EV: Atk and Spd
-return
-drill peck
-hp ground
-quick attack

Standard dodrio...

really anything with endure is weak to quick attack/extremespeed, or being paralyzed/toxic. If heracross is a sub/focus punch user, then use Wheezing. Whatever heracross do, Wheezing stops it very well (then again Wheezing is good at stopping anything physical)

Mana Lugia May 9th, 2004 2:16 PM

I thought most Sceptiles have HP fire, but I guess since this is an actual game team, that might not be as easy as it sounds.

jscn12 May 9th, 2004 3:06 PM

His heracross had quick claw so it went first with megahorn. Then i missed, and he megahorned again. It wasn't a huge defeat but still, his heracross might be a problem becuase we are making lvl 50 teams. Thanks a lot for the help!

Frostweaver May 9th, 2004 3:43 PM

... and quick claw worked 2 times in a row? wow... 1/16 chance of that happening only, so you're just unlucky... and what moves are you using that misses? Sceptile's move are pretty much all 100% accuracy (or SHOULD...)

jscn12 May 9th, 2004 4:05 PM

The quickclaw actually worked two times in a row. And for the missing maybe I was using solarbeam, i don't quite remember, but i'm not lying. Ask rsgh5 if you don't believe it happened. Thanks again for the dodrio idea.

Lucifer. May 10th, 2004 3:06 AM

Solarbeam is 100% accurate unless faced with Double Team/Sand Attack etc. It's also a two-turn attack unless you had Sunny Day in play.

Although you had both the offensive and defensive disadvantage, you should still be able to pound the h3ll out of something that's half your level. I'll cry if the attack you missed with was Cut. XD

Xilion_Sword90 May 10th, 2004 1:14 PM

You could just give Aerial Ace to your Sceptile (but it isn't suggested).

Or use Dodrio (but watch out for Focus Band and Counter)

Mana Lugia May 10th, 2004 1:43 PM

you'd never have to worry about Counter on Heracross. Even Skarmory in GSC could OHKO Heracross with Drill peck (258 atk), and considering Dodrio has at least 298 attack (most ppl would choice band it too and stufF), and the heracross is 50 levels lower...

jscn12 May 10th, 2004 2:04 PM

My friend and I only raise them up to lvl 50 so my dodrio would be 50 also. And i didnt have sunny day on my sceptile at that point.

Frostweaver May 10th, 2004 2:14 PM

Dodrio is gurantee win-win situation against heracross... even if endure is used, you have quick attack.

Focus band has 10% chance of activating... really the odds are against him by a LOT (it's worst than using Sheer Cold)

Actually, I did fool around with a physical sceptile with brick break/earthquake/leech seed/sub before in the planning stage ;p (never used it though)

ryan May 10th, 2004 2:49 PM

no, you're just bad john. that heracross is the product of amazingly well thought out breeding. and you didn't miss, you hit me with dragon claw, the problem is... you're weak! but you should use a flying type. my team's totaly vulnerable, i can't beleive you didn't see that (well, my exploud has ice beam) but, listen to frostweaver he seems like a smart guy.

jscn12 May 10th, 2004 2:52 PM

yea well....at least i can beat dustin....

ryan May 10th, 2004 2:56 PM

that's true... has he made any posts yet? so guys... any advice for beating a dodrio?

Frostweaver May 10th, 2004 3:03 PM

Just because you have defeated him, let's not openly say "you're just bad" =/
Everyone has to start somewhere

Careful breeding just means egg move, and doesn't affect stats. Something 50 level higher has way too high stats for anything to endure through it. Just Crunch/Dragon Claw should KO Heracross pretty much (unless it endures, then i hope you have quick attack)

jscn12 May 10th, 2004 3:10 PM

nah he's right, at that point I was even worse then I am now. Im getting better though...trying EV training for the first time. Plus his heracross is freakishly powerful.

ryan May 10th, 2004 3:22 PM

he's not bad, i take it back, he doesn't have as much free time as me. but, i do beat him at least once a weekend. and what i ment by careful breeding is, egg moves and good nature/ability. and it's not freakish, heracross is just good... i posted his stats with the bug club. he's nothing special, but he is my best, so i do tend to boast about him (especailly what with beating a L100, even w/ the type advantage)

Mana Lugia May 10th, 2004 4:19 PM

Dodrio: Skarmory wins, at least, the standard Drio last I checked :)

Mr Cat Dog May 10th, 2004 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostweaver
Just because you have defeated him, let's not openly say "you're just bad" =/
Everyone has to start somewhere

Careful breeding just means egg move, and doesn't affect stats. Something 50 level higher has way too high stats for anything to endure through it. Just Crunch/Dragon Claw should KO Heracross pretty much (unless it endures, then i hope you have quick attack)

Well, techinically that's untrue, since baby Pokemon's IVs are inherited from the parents. If the parents have really weak IVs, then the baby has a good chance of being weak as well. Although if the parents have strong IVs, then the same will probably happen to the baby.

~ MCD

Lucifer. May 11th, 2004 12:33 AM

Well if the baby has the same IVs as the parent, then it's no better is it?

Mr Cat Dog May 11th, 2004 7:01 AM

I mean it will have similar IVs, not exactly the same. Let's have an example:

Blaziken (F):
HP - 27 Atk - 25 Def - 28 Sp. Atk - 30 Sp. Def - 29 Spd - 26

Camerupt (M):
HP - 30 Atk - 29 Def - 21 Sp. Atk - 24 Sp. Def - 30 Spd - 26

If the two mate, the baby's IV's will be similar, but not always an average. So there is a chance of the baby Torchic's HP IV of being 29 (it would be 28.5, but IVs are always intergers to the best of my knowledge so I round up), or even 25 or even 13. The IVs don't necessarily put the baby's IVs in stone. There's still a little randomness involved in the GB control system thingy...

~ MCD

crazydwarf12 May 11th, 2004 11:46 AM

"yea well....at least i can beat dustin...."

Yeh john well at least I can beat... Um no one actualy...

ryan May 11th, 2004 12:39 PM

you definatly cannot beat me... if john>dustin, and ryan>john, then ryan>dustin... mwahaha... ok i'm a jerk. i'll just send out my crobat against you and let the combination of toxic, confuse ray, attract, and mean look drive you crazy!

Mana Lugia May 11th, 2004 2:21 PM

wow, someone's obviously never faced a standard metagame team. I can list so many reasons why a Toxictrapping crobat can't beat jack poop that it's funny :)

Frostweaver May 11th, 2004 6:40 PM

Crobat stalling...? Wow I thought all the Crobat got rescued since it can actually attack now... Switching in something call anything with psychic can crush that Crobat quite easily (as most psychic types have lum berry). Alakazam can also sychronize the poison status...

ryan May 11th, 2004 7:09 PM

ya, i've taken crobat off my team, i hate him, but it's fun to pick on people with it

Mana Lugia May 12th, 2004 4:42 PM

You don't really need a Psychic type, Weaver. Anything with an attack over 200 should do the trick :p

Frostweaver May 12th, 2004 4:47 PM

<= is psychic-obsessive due to being wheezing-paranoid ;p

It's just that a big problem is Crobat's speed. Either he KOs you, or you KO him afterward (or quick attack/fake out/extremespeed but maybe not mach punch...)


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