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Shiny Umbreon June 15th, 2007 7:30 PM

The Old Chateau
 
This thread is to discuss about the Old Chateau ghosts.

First, all the known information:


Real people ghosts:

Little girl - To see her, go upstairs to the middle room and then go to the second room from the right (the one with the eyes on the wall). When you enter, a little girl should appear on the room on the right, turn around and float (because her legs don't move) to the door, disappearing. If you don't see her, exit and enter the room again until you do.

Butler - Go forward to the dining room and you will see an old man at the other side of the table, who will then float to the left and then disappear. If you don't see him, exit and enter the room again until you do.

Pokémon ghosts:

Gastly are seen everywhere in the mansion. Haunter and Gengar appear less often if you have a GBA game inserted in your DS. And, finally, Rotom appears after obtaining the National Dex if you watch the TV closely during night time.

Mysterious "ghosts"
The picture in the room where you see the girl has red glowind eyes on it, staring at you unless you approach. When you leave the room and go to the other ones, the eyes will follow your direction. Apart from the eyes, there's the statue at the entrance of the dining room that "appears to be staring at you".

Theories

I heard in this forum a theory about these ghosts. Supposedly, the chef poisoned the food and killed the little girl and the old man, saving himself with an Antidote found in the kitchen.

I have some things to add to this theory. I think the little girl was NOT killed. The TM Substitue found at the room where the girl is can tell another girl was killed instead. Also it's strange that, the Old Gateau, which cures status ailments, wasn't used. But, in my opinion, this was what the real girl used to save herself. Maybe the girl is someone else in the game, she could even have grew up because no one says when this happened. Because there are no clues, it could anyone, even Cynthia or Dawn (assuming the male character is the main one).


If you have other theories or discoverings, post them.

kohei June 15th, 2007 9:14 PM

>>I heard in this forum a theory about these ghosts.
lol hi.

Anyhow, did you notice how the statue in the Chateau looks the same as the one in the Mansion?

Also, don't you think its strange how only the little girl and the old man is dead? Assuming that the old man is a butler, then where did the father/mother go? Maybe they got rich through scams and such, and were being chased by triads... but they ran away to somewhere far away, so the girl/man had to bite the bullet. Literary.

GIVEMEDARKRAI June 15th, 2007 9:28 PM

Hmmm
 
I Think That The Butler Is Working At The Pokemon Mansion And That The Owner Is The Father, The Little Girl Is One Of The Maids Or Maybe Is Still Haunting The Mansion

Cema June 15th, 2007 10:47 PM

I don't remember exactly where in the game, but another person mentions how they abandoned the mansion 50 years ago.

E-boy June 16th, 2007 2:04 AM

A friend of mine thinks these ghosts are Gastly's, since they can be found in the OC. They would transform then into human, like they did in the animé. (At Maiden's Peak, if I'm not wrong), that episode with the Venusoise.

Another friend thinks they're the old villagers of the OC, and now floating as ghosts in the Mansion, like in the anime too, I don't know the title anymore, but it was with te Ninetales with mythical powers, and with that girl Brock fell in love in. The master of that Ninetales never came back from a journey and they kept, and kept waithing. (I think that trainer was a Brock look-a-like.)

Well, these are just theories, but they're pretty logical, if you think about it.

Nationalpokedexcompleter June 17th, 2007 10:37 AM

I think that Mr. Backlot was the old owner of that mansion. And I heard that when you get the national pokedex and go to the old mansion between 8 PM and 4 Am and talk to the tv in the second floor then a secret pokemon appears, but hay Ime not sure you would just have to go there and find out for youre self.
R T M

kingofgames157 June 17th, 2007 6:58 PM

lol


the secret pokemon is.....


A GHOST!~



I didnt go there yet lol

Is R T M considered a LEgendary?

kohei June 17th, 2007 7:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingofgames157 (Post 2534365)
Is R T M considered a LEgendary?

It's more along the lines of a Snorlax/Sudowoodo. So it's an event Pokemon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nationalpokedexcompleter
I think that Mr. Backlot was the old owner of that mansion.

This actually makes a ton of sense to me, since his mansion has the same statue as the chateau...

His jolly personality maybe just a facade to cover up his dark past...?

Xoo June 18th, 2007 3:09 AM

Well, maybe it's the main character's Mom......??

Drifblim June 18th, 2007 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kohei (Post 2534419)
It's more along the lines of a Snorlax/Sudowoodo. So it's an event Pokemon.

Then can it be explained why the legendary battle tune is assigned to him?

Lubricus June 18th, 2007 3:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 2534499)
His own surname would contradict the idea of that chateau being his - his own mansion right now has a backyard where the chateau lacks one.

Funny how his mansion is doesn't have a staircase.

But you don't know whats behind those doors the maids block now do you.

MetalMario June 18th, 2007 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2528932)
I heard in this forum a theory about these ghosts. Supposedly, the chef poisoned the food and killed the little girl and the old man, saving himself with an Antidote found in the kitchen.

I have some things to add to this theory. I think the little girl was NOT killed. The TM Substitue found at the room where the girl is can tell another girl was killed instead. Also it's strange that, the Old Gateau, which cures status ailments, wasn't used. But, in my opinion, this was what the real girl used to save herself. Maybe the girl is someone else in the game, she could even have grew up because no one says when this happened. Because there are no clues, it could anyone, even Cynthia or Dawn (assuming the male character is the main one).

Maybe Agatha is the escaped daughter! xP

And because it deserves a mention in every Chateau thread, the picture with eyes appears to be a cameo of ROB; if not then at least strongly inspired by his design.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/MetalMario201/pkmnstuff/ChateauROB.jpg <=> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/17/Gyromite_ROB.jpg/325px-Gyromite_ROB.jpg

For those who don't know, ROB was a toy robot made by Nintendo which hooked up to the NES. He's credited with saving video games following the post-Atari video game crash in the 80s. Even if the video game market had slowly recovered without ROB, there'd still be no Game Boy. And with no Game Boy, there's no Pokémon. See where this is going? ;)

Nationalpokedexcompleter June 18th, 2007 1:08 PM

Actually the real name of it is Rotom. What suckes about it is that when you catch it its on level 15.

Spaekle Oddberry June 18th, 2007 2:09 PM

I went in that place late at night with the lights off and it made me paranoid. D: The music is awesome.

Anyway, I like that Mr. Backlot theory. I know there's something untrustworthy about that guy. >:O

DizzyTech June 19th, 2007 2:26 PM

Why doesn't anybody check out a Walk Through Walls cheat on those maids? We'll see what's behind them then...

Or, try out a map viewer/editor on a ROM and see if there's a warp.

wakachamo June 19th, 2007 2:40 PM

^They have, and nothing's behind those entrances.

Shiny Umbreon June 19th, 2007 3:08 PM

Yeah, but talking in an in-universe perspective, what could they be hiding. Maybe he left some part of the mansion for old stuff he doesn't want to remember when living in the Old Chateau. Because of that, he may try to always look happy with his garden.

Innagadadavida June 19th, 2007 3:37 PM

I didn't really think much of the place, I never thought there was a story behind it. Maybe we'll get the full scoop in the Anime!



OFFTOPIC:
Quote:

Originally Posted by GIVEMEDARKRAI (Post 2529022)
I Think That The Butler Is Working At The Pokemon Mansion And That The Owner Is The Father, The Little Girl Is One Of The Maids Or Maybe Is Still Haunting The Mansion

Why Do You Capitalize Every Letter In The Sentence Every Time You Make A Post?

linkinpark187 June 19th, 2007 3:44 PM

yeah, hopefully. i've been trying to figure out what significance the butler had, but i never knew about the girl. guess i'm going to have to check it out. lol

Legacy June 19th, 2007 3:50 PM

I noticed one of the ghosts in there when I went to go catch Rotom. I actually thought I just imagined it for a while because I kept going back in but couldn't see it again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innagadadavida (Post 2539235)
I didn't really think much of the place, I never thought there was a story behind it. Maybe we'll get the full scoop in the Anime!



OFFTOPIC:


Why Do You Capitalize Every Letter In The Sentence Every Time You Make A Post?

Probably because he's typing his entire posts in caps but the forum alters it so that only the first letter is capitalised.

Xoo June 20th, 2007 3:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2539199)
Yeah, but talking in an in-universe perspective, what could they be hiding. Maybe he left some part of the mansion for old stuff he doesn't want to remember when living in the Old Chateau. Because of that, he may try to always look happy with his garden.

And maybe he built the Garden to make himself forget what happened there.....
Or is that what you just said?? :D

EDIT: I wonder if Giratina has anything to do with it??

Mr.Altosax June 20th, 2007 5:08 AM

I think it's Gardenia's and Cheryl's (I think that's Chansey girl's name) secret base of operations. I bet there's a secret button on the statue that opens a staircase in the floor, that leads to their evil lair. The ghosts are caused by projectors to scare trainers away from the mansion.

kohei June 20th, 2007 8:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2539199)
Yeah, but talking in an in-universe perspective, what could they be hiding. Maybe he left some part of the mansion for old stuff he doesn't want to remember when living in the Old Chateau. Because of that, he may try to always look happy with his garden.

Mr. Backlot: "Hahaha! Good morning pretty flowers! My, Pichu! You look mighty fine today!"
Maid: "Mr. Backlot? You forgot your morning medication again"
Mr. Backlot: "Hohoho, I'm quite fine if I don't say so myself"
Maid: "But sir... the doctor said..."
Mr. Backlot: "Oh fine. What does he know about having fun anyway?!"

Something like this maybe going on in that mansion of madness... maybe...

Dogod June 20th, 2007 9:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Altosax (Post 2540436)
I think it's Gardenia's and Cheryl's (I think that's Chansey girl's name) secret base of operations. I bet there's a secret button on the statue that opens a staircase in the floor, that leads to their evil lair. The ghosts are caused by projectors to scare trainers away from the mansion.

Then how can you catch them?

AztecSunshine June 20th, 2007 10:28 AM

the grass leader maybe the little girl cuz the first time you go there after the nat dex you see her there and she just get scared when you do (i think)


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