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Shiny Umbreon June 23rd, 2007 9:19 PM

EV training guide
 
This is a guide about EV training and good EV training locations. The first part was done by Lemonade. The second part was done by me. You may contribute in the second part by posting places you think are good to train. In the case of trainers, please post their names, all their Pokémon and their location. People who have contributed to the second part are Eureka1, Arkarian, C&C, Samson, Lemonade, mithos kid, Phanima, Haowakeorden, tragik, batteryman_AA, Dragonzilla25, Smarties-chan, sims796 and me.

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EV Training

What are EVs?
First off, what are EVs is the first question you'll ask. EVs are called Effort Values. Effort Values are given for defeating Pokemon. The Effort Values depend on a Pokemon. For example, Starly gives 1 Speed Effort Value for defeating it. Once you get 4 Effort Values in a stat, it will increase by 1 when you level up. So, if you kill 4 Starlys, you'll get +1 to your speed stat. The maximum EVs a Pokemon can get in a single stat is 255. This will make your stat increase by about 63. When you're level 100, and you've killed Starlys to get 255 speed EVs, and compare yourself to a level 100 who hasn't been EV trained in Speed you'll have about 63 more speed than the other. The maximum EVs you can get total is 510. Meaning you can max out 2 stats on your Pokemon.

How can I speed up EV training?
You might be asking, killing 255 Starlys isn't worth the time of getting the 63 boost in speed. So there are a few items that can boost EV training. The Macho Brace doubles the EVs gained from a Pokemon. When your Pokemon battling another is holding the Macho Brace it will gain double of the EVs that the Pokemon would normally give off. Say you have a Chimchar, and it's fighting a Starly, Chimchar is holding the Macho Brace and it defeats the Starly, the Chimchar will not only get 1 Speed Effort Value, but 2 because it is holding the Macho Brace. There are a few more items that help with EV training as well. I'll list them below.

Items that boost EV training
Power Anklet --- boosts Speed EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give speed EVs the Power Anklet gives +4 in speed. For example, if you defeat a Starly you'll get 5 EVs in speed, one for initially defeating the Starly and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Anklet.
Power Bracer --- boosts Attack EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give attack EVs the Power Bracer gives +4 in attack. For example, if you defeat a Machop you'll get 5 EVs in attack, one for initially defeating the Machop and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Bracer.
Power Weight --- boosts HP EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give HP EVs the Power Weight gives +4 in HP. For example, if you defeat a Bidoof you'll get 5 EVs in HP, one for initially defeating the Bidoof and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Weight.
Power Belt --- boosts Defense EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give Defense EVs the Power Belt gives +4 in Defense. For example, if you defeat a Geodude you'll get 5 EVs in Defense, one for initially defeating the Geodude and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Belt.
Power Lens --- boosts Sp. Attack EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give Sp. Attack EVs the Power Lens gives +4 in Sp. Attack. For example, if you defeat a Ghastly you'll get 5 EVs in Sp. Attack, one for initially defeating the Ghastly and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Lens.
Power Band --- boosts Sp. Defense EV training. When defeating Pokemon who give Sp. Defense EVs the Power Band gives +4 in Sp. Defense. For example, if you defeat a Tentacool you'll get 5 EVs in Sp. Defense, one for initially defeating the Tentacool and four because your Pokemon is holding the Power Band.

Each of these Power Items can be bought at the Battle Tower for 16 Battle Points each.

Those items like Calcium and Iron, it says they boost stats, does that have to do with EV training?
In fact those items do. Every time you use one of those items you get 10 EVs. For example, HP Up, it will give 10 EVs per every one you use. You can only use a maximum of 10 each. If you use 10 HP Ups you'll get 100 EVs in HP, leaving you with only 155 more to go to reach your maximum EVs in HP. The items that boost this are:

HP Up --- Hit points
Protein --- Attack
Iron --- Defense
Carbos --- Speed
Calcium --- Sp. Attack
Zinc --- Sp. Defense

You can find these items throughout the game, Pickup ability, buying them at Veilstone department store for 9,800 each, or using the Dowsing Machine App on your Poketch.

I have a Pokemon holding Exp. Share does it gain EVs too?
Yes the Pokemon holding Exp. Share gains the same EVs as the one who's doing all the battling. If you have a Charizard in the front of your team who's killing Starlys, and you also have a Squirtle in your team holding Exp. Share, both the Charizard and Squirtle will get 1 Speed Effort Value. Now, if you have the Charizard holding Macho Brace, and the Squirtle holding Exp. Share, the Squirtle will not get the same EVs as Charizard. Charizard gets 2 Speed EVs because it is holding Macho Brace, but Squirtle only still gets 1 Speed EV.

I obtained a virus called PokéRus (PKRS) what does it do?
PKRS helps with EV training. When you go to heal your Pokemon at the Pokecenter Nurse Joy tells you it's a virus and will go away eventually. Having PKRS though, is a good thing. It doubles the EVs you get from a battle. It works basically the same as a Macho Brace, but you don't have to have a hold item, it just happens. You can hold items such as Macho Brace and have PKRS at the same time to make EV training even faster, but I'll explain that later.

How do I get PKRS?
PKRS is randomly obtained by defeating wild Pokemon or capturing them. You have a really rare chance of getting PKRS, it's even rarer than finding a shiny Pokemon in the wild, which is a 1 in 8192 chance of seeing one. To keep PKRS for a vast amount of time, put the Pokemon with PKRS in your PC before midnight. This allows it to not go away. You can pass PKRS from one Pokemon to the next. If you have a Pokemon in your first spot of your party and it has PKRS, and you have a Pokemon in the second spot without PKRS, eventually after defeating wild Pokemon the second Pokemon in your party will also get PKRs. Now if you have a Pokemon in the PC with PKRS you could always just pull it out and spread it to someone else to increase EV training.

My Pokemon doesn't have PKRS anymore, instead it has a smiley face in it's stats. What does it mean?
Don't worry, this only means that the PKRS wore off. However you still have the effects of getting double the EVs from a value, you just can't spread PKRS anymore. So that's why it's always great to keep a spare Pokemon in your PC with it who can spread it.

Now, here's where I will explain how the PKRS + Item Combo works.

Defeating a Pokemon who gives 1 EV: Macho Brace + PKRS. The Macho Brace doubles the EVs you get from a Pokemon who gives 1 EV, making it 2. Then since you have PKRS, it doubles again making the EVs you get is 4. So from defeating a single Starly while having PKRS and holding Macho Brace you will get 4 Speed EVs.

Defeating a Pokemon who gives 1 EV: Power Item + PKRS. The Power Item adds +4 EVs you get from defeating a Pokemon. So if you defeat a Pokemon who gives 1 EV, then add + 4 it's 5 EVs from that single Pokemon. Then you have PKRS, which then doubles the 5 EVs to 10. So by defeating a single Starly, holding the Power Anklet, and having PKRS gives 10 Speed EVs.

Defeating a Pokemon who gives 2 EVs: Macho Brace + PKRS. The Macho Brace doubles the EVs you get from a Pokemon who gives 2 EVs, making it 4. Then since you have PKRS, it doubles again making the EVs you get is 8. So from defeating a single Staravia while having PKRS and holding Macho Brace you will get 8 Speed EVs.

Defeating a Pokemon who gives 2 EVs: Power Item + PKRS. The Power Item adds +4 EVs you get from defeating a Pokemon. So if you defeat a Pokemon who gives 2 EVs, then add +4 it's 6 EVs from that single Pokemon. Then you have PKRS which then doubles the 6 EVs to 12. So by defeating a single Staravia, holding the Power Anklet and having PKRS gives 12 Speed EVs.

Defeating a Pokemon who gives 3 EVs: Macho Brace + PKRS. The Macho Brace doubles the EVs you get from a Pokemon who gives 3 EVs, making it 6. Then since you have PKRs, it doubles again making the EVs you get is 12. So from defeating a single Staraptor while having PKRS and holding the Macho Brace you will get 12 Attack EVs.

Defeating a Pokemon who gives 3 EVs: Power Item + PKRS. The Power Item adds +4 EVs you get from defeating a Pokemon. So if you defeat a Pokemon who gives 3 EVs, then add + 4 it's 7 EVs from that single Pokemon. Then you have PKRS which then doubles the 7 EVs to 14. So by defeating a single Staraptor, holding the Power Bracer and having PKRS gives you 14 Attack EVs.

How do I know how many EVs my Pokemon has?
The only way to know how many EVs your Pokemon has is either by writing it down on a piece of paper and calculating it yourself or using the Counter App. on your Poketch. However, when you are done EV training there is a lady in the Sunnyshore city mart who will give your Pokemon an Effort Ribbon for completing it's EV training.

What level should I start EV training at?
You can EV train at any level, but it's best to start out at a lower level so that you don't have to worry about not being able to EV train at level 100 anymore. When you EV train you don't get all the EVs right when you level up. It spans out until you reach level 100. So once you're level 100 it's almost imposible to EV train. You can EV train, but there's a trick that has to do with your PC, but I'm unsure about it, so we'll leave that out.

I messed up on my EV training, how can I restart?-Well in the game there's special berries that most people call "Correction Berries". These Correction Berries are berries such as Pomeg. It makes a Pokemon happier, but lowers it's HP EVs by 10. You can keep using these berries until you get the message. "Pokemon became friendlier, however it's base HP cannot go lower." That means that your EVs in that stat have been reset to zero and you can EV train again, this time without messing up hopefully.

That basically covers all of EV training. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. :)

Written by Lemonade

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Good EV training locations

Wild Pokémon

HP
Route 212 (Pastoria Side). While surfing, you can find many Wooper (1 HP) and some Quagsire (2 HP).
In the ground, Wooper (1 HP) and Bibarel (2 Attack) are very common there. Although there are Kricketune (2 Attack) and Roselia (2 Sp. Atk) too.
Fuego Ironworks. Gastrodon (2 HP) and Shellos (1HP) can be found here while Wingull (1 Speed), Shinx (1 Attack), Luxio (2 Attack) and Pachirisu (1 Speed) should be ignored.
Route 221. In Pearl, Gastrodon (2 HP) will be pretty common and there will be Sudowoodo (2 Defense). In Diamond, some Gastrodon (2 HP) are replaced by Stunky (1 Speed) and Skuntank (2 HP) The rest are Roselia (2 Sp. Attack), Shellos (1 HP), Floatzel (2 Speed) and Wingull (1 Speed).

Attack
Route 229. Gyarados (2 Attack) are the only Pokémon to be found while fishing.
Twinleaf Town. While fishing with super rod, Gyarados (2 Attack) and Seaking (2 Attack) are the only Pokémon to be found.
Route 210 (Celestic Side). You will find Bibarel (2 Attack), Machop (1 Attack) and Machoke (2 Attack) at the same rate as Psyduck (1 Sp. Attack), Meditite (Speed), Hoothoot (1 HP) and Noctowl (2 HP). Note that during the morning and day, Hoothoot and Noctowl will be replaced by Meditite, making it the most common.

Defense
Ruin Maniac Cave. Geodude (1 Defense) are the most common, and the only other Pokémon here is Hippopotas (1 Defense).
Iron Island B2F (Riley's Room)/B3F. The common Pokémon here are Graveler (2 Defense) and Onix (1 Defense), with the other being Golbat (2 Speed), Steelix (2 Defense) and Geodude (1 Defense), who almost never appears.
Oreburgh Mine. Geodude (1 Defense) are common here. You can also find Onix (1 Defense) and Zubat (1 Speed) a bit less often.

Sp. Attack
Old Chateau. Gastly (1 Sp. Attack) are the only Pokémon found here while any GBA game in Slot 2 allows you to rarely find Haunter (2 Sp. Attack) and Gengar (3 Sp. Attack). The latter is only at the room with the eyes on the wall.
Resort Area. When surfing, Golduck (2 Sp. Attack) can be found.
Route 204. When surfing, Psyduck (1 Sp. Attack) appears often with Golduck (2 Sp. Attack) ocassionally.

Sp. Defense
Route 223. Tentacruel (2 Sp. Defense) and Pelipper (2 Defense) are common, while there are few Mantyke (1 Sp. Defense).
Any other surfing area. The most common Pokémon is Tentacool (1 Sp. Defense).

Speed
Route 226. There's plenty of Fearow and Raticate (2 points each) and sometimes Spearow and Rattata (1 point each). You may rarely find Machoke (2 Attack) or Golduck (2 Attack). It's better at day, because Banette (2 Attack) appear frequently at night.
Victory Road B1F. When surfing, Golbat (2 Speed) are the only Pokémon to be found.
Trophy Garden. Though Roselia (2 Sp. Attack) are more common that others, there are Pichu (1 Speed), Pikachu (2 Speed), Staravia (2 Speed) and Kricketune (2 Attack). Note that, during the morning, Pichu are more common; in the day, Staravia; and during the night, Kricketune; though neither of these affect the number of Roselia.
Route 221. In Pearl, Gastrodon (2 HP) will be pretty common and there will be Sudowoodo (2 Defense). In Diamond, some Gastrodon (2 HP) are replaced by Stunky (1 Speed) and Skuntank (2 HP) The rest are Roselia (2 Sp. Attack), Shellos (1 HP), Floatzel (2 Speed) and Wingull (1 Speed).

VS Seeker

HP
Route 209. Cowgirl Shelley, just south of the running couple, has five Bidoof (1 HP).
Route 213. Tuber Jared, at the south-east corner of the map, has three Shellos (1 HP) which may evolve into Gastrodon (2 HP).

Attack
Route 205 (Eterna Side). Fisherman Andrew, in the wooden bridge, the second person from the right, has 6 Magikarp (1 Speed), which can become Gyarados (2 Attack).
Route 222. Rich Boy Trec, near Route 214, has a Luxio (2 Attack) that can evolve into Luxray (3 Attack). Conveniently, you can get a lot of money from him.
Route 222. Fisherman Alec, along the coast, the last fisherman to the left, has two Gyarados (2 Attack).

Defense

Sp. Attack
Route 214. Collector Douglas, just beforing reaching the lakefront from Veilstone, has three Roselia (2 Sp. Attack).

Sp. Defense
Route 210 (Celestic Side). Ninja Boy Davido, across a bike bridge, has a Dustox (3 Sp. Def)
Route 230. Swimmer F Sophia, in the middle of the sea, has a Mantyke (1 Sp. Def) and a Mantine (2 Sp. Def).
Route 230. Swimmer F Mallory, spinning in top of the rocks, has a Seel (1 Sp. Def) and a Dewgong (2 Sp. Def)

Speed
Route 211 (Eterna Side). Ninja Boy Zach, a the top right corner of the grass, has three Zubats (1 Speed) which then become Golbat (2 Speed) and Crobat (3 Speed).
Route 205 (Eterna Side). Fisherman Andrew, in the wooden bridge, the second person from the right, has 6 Magikarp (1 Speed).


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Eureka1 June 23rd, 2007 9:21 PM

erm.. dont you mean EVs

'HP:
~Shellos at Valley Windworks north of ignore the Buizel (+1 each)
~Gastrodons at Fuego Ironworks or Route 213 ignore Floatzel (+2 each)
~Gastrodons outside of Pal Park (+2 each)


Attack:
~Kricketune and Bidarel at route 212 (rainy route) (+2 each)
~Bibarels and Machop (2 EVs and 1 EV respectively) Route 208
~Machokes and Snovers at Acuity Lakefront (2 Evs and 1 EV respectively)


Defense:
~Cave with Geodudes and Hippopotas off route 214 (+1 each) (Ruin Maniac's Cave)
~Onix and Gravelers on Iron Island in the second room ignore Golbats (+1 Onix) (+2 Gravelers)
~Geodudes and Onix in the first room (Oreburgh Mines) (+1 each)


Special Attack:
~Gastly at the Old Chateau in Eterna Forest (+1 each) (Haunters +2) (Gengars +3)
*Need GBA Game in GBA slot and National Pokedex for Haunters and Gengars*
~Golducks surfing in the water at the Resort Area (+2 each)


Special Defense:
~Surfing any ocean/sea area for Tentacools (+1each)
*North of 8th gym town has been good ignore Pellipers* (Mantykes +1)


Speed:
~Raticates and Fearows Northwest of the Fight Area (+2 each) *name?*
~Zubats in a cave (+1 each)
~Golbats in Victory Road (in water, you only find Golbats) (+2 each)'

Shiny Umbreon June 23rd, 2007 10:01 PM

I wrote your info including any Pokémon found in that area and its Effort yield points. I'm still lacking information about the Resort Area. Are only Golduck found there?

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Originally Posted by Eureka1 (Post 2552699)
erm.. dont you mean EVs

I don't know what I was thinking....Can the title be changed?

Eureka1 June 23rd, 2007 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2552789)
I wrote your info including any Pokémon found in that area and its Effort yield points. I'm still lacking information about the Resort Area. Are only Golduck found there?



I don't know what I was thinking....Can the title be changed?

yeah, just edit your first post

anemos June 24th, 2007 5:10 AM

I saw the thread title, and was gonna ask if you meant EVs, i'm a bit too late. (hello, this is my first post)

Shiny Umbreon June 24th, 2007 6:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Eureka1 (Post 2552795)
yeah, just edit your first post

I did, but the title in my first post was changed but not the thread title itself.

wakachamo June 24th, 2007 6:52 AM

Just for you guys' information, you can't actually change the thread title yourselves. =/

But yeah, I've changed the name now.

Shiny Umbreon June 24th, 2007 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wakachamo (Post 2553621)
Just for you guys' information, you can't actually change the thread title yourselves. =/

But yeah, I've changed the name now.

OK. Thanks, I thought changing the first post would work.

EDIT: I still need information about the Resort Area wild Pokémon. If someone had the Pokémon and their rarity, it would help. More useful locations are also welcome. And please can this get stickied?

Cema June 24th, 2007 10:26 AM

Again, I think a link to my tutorial would help. Stick it at the bottom of the first post, or at the top, as an introduction. It also includes natures and such. Here is the link.

Eureka1 June 24th, 2007 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wakachamo (Post 2553621)
Just for you guys' information, you can't actually change the thread title yourselves. =/

But yeah, I've changed the name now.

ah, i just presumed.. i can on other forums so..

nevermind

wakachamo June 24th, 2007 12:44 PM

Just for a note, I've stickied this thread since we think it'd be helpful for people who want to know where to EV train.

Shiny Umbreon June 24th, 2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cema (Post 2554021)
Again, I think a link to my tutorial would help. Stick it at the bottom of the first post, or at the top, as an introduction. It also includes natures and such. Here is the link.

Ok. I put a link on top of the post.

Mr.Altosax June 24th, 2007 2:57 PM

Only Golduck are found at the Resort Area.

Shiny Umbreon June 24th, 2007 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Altosax (Post 2554604)
Only Golduck are found at the Resort Area.

Thanks. Do you have confirmation sources or anything?

Arkarian June 24th, 2007 8:23 PM

Can't believe no one's mentioned the garden of the Pokémon Mansion (beneath Hearthome City) yet. It's the single best place imo to train for SpAtk, as there are a bunch of Roselias (2 SpAtk each) around level twenty, making Macho Brace training a cinch for even low-level Pokés-- 4 SpAtk EVs per Roselia.

Dee Trier June 24th, 2007 11:33 PM

Why no one mentioning vs seeker trainer? sure it's need 100 step but some are really worth it IMO. Like in route right of eterna, there is a ninjaboy having three zubat(+1 speed) which later become one golbat (+2 speed, lv 51) and 2 crobat (+3 speed, lv 52 and 53 IIRC)

Samson June 25th, 2007 7:43 AM

special attack: there's a collector with 3 roselia. he's on the route below the city with the Supermarket or w/e it is. he's the on the southern-most part of the route before you reach the lakefront. just use vs seeker to battle him over.

speed: the route where the Pal Park is. floatzel are common there.

defense: victory road -- graveler and steelix. there is a collector with graveler but i forgot where =/. also, any route where Sudowoodo is common -- sudowoodo gives +2 defense evs.

attack: the route that is on the east of the town where cynthia's mother/grandmother lives. there are wild machop and machoke there. also, there is a trainer with 1 machoke that you can run back and forth from the patch of grass to that Black Belt trainer with Vs Seeker. the black belt trainer will be the second trainer you see heading east (first you will see a female bird trainer, and then you will see him up a staircase). you will need fog clear.

Shiny Umbreon June 25th, 2007 1:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkarian (Post 2555460)
Can't believe no one's mentioned the garden of the Pokémon Mansion (beneath Hearthome City) yet. It's the single best place imo to train for SpAtk, as there are a bunch of Roselias (2 SpAtk each) around level twenty, making Macho Brace training a cinch for even low-level Pokés-- 4 SpAtk EVs per Roselia.

Actually, it's better for Speed. I put it anyway.

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Originally Posted by C&C (Post 2555768)
Why no one mentioning vs seeker trainer? sure it's need 100 step but some are really worth it IMO. Like in route right of eterna, there is a ninjaboy having three zubat(+1 speed) which later become one golbat (+2 speed, lv 51) and 2 crobat (+3 speed, lv 52 and 53 IIRC)

Thanks for the idea. A "VS Seeker" was added, as well as your info.

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2556390)
speed: the route where the Pal Park is. floatzel are common there.

I had it in HP, but I think it could serve as well in Speed.

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2556390)
defense: victory road -- graveler and steelix. there is a collector with graveler but i forgot where =/.

Can you search for said trainer? It will help if at least you had the location.

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2556390)
also, any route where Sudowoodo is common -- sudowoodo gives +2 defense evs.

The thing is that Sudowoodo is not common in any route, and most of the time, there aren't other defense-ev-yield Pokémon, so no location with Sudowoodo is worth to actually train Defense.

The rest of your information was added, Samson.

Live in Color June 25th, 2007 2:05 PM

Route 229 there's 100% chance of finding wild Gyarados using the super rod. Gyarados give +2 Attack.

And as for this Gyarados and the Resort Area Golduck, here's a source right here: http://www.psypokes.com/dex/evtraining.php?id=diamondpearl

Shiny Umbreon June 25th, 2007 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 2557644)
Route 229 there's 100% chance of finding wild Gyarados using the super rod. Gyarados give +2 Attack.

And as for this Gyarados and the Resort Area Golduck, here's a source right here: http://www.psypokes.com/dex/evtraining.php?id=diamondpearl

Thanks for the link and info. I edited the Attack section erasing one location, because it now has 4, which is a lot. I erased Route 217, which was the worst of the 5.


I forgot to ask. Does anybody know if the Roselia mentioned evolve into Roserade? It happens with Golbat/Machoke, but I'm kind of doubting because it needs a special (and new) stone. I don't use the VS Seeker much, but if any does, can you confirm this?

Dee Trier June 25th, 2007 6:33 PM

I tried battle him quite many but still roselia. The same apply for psychic in same route with haunter/kadabra (both +2 SA) that never evolve to gengar/alakazam (+3 sa both)

Oh and there was a trainer with a gyarados(+2 atk) and 4 magikarp(+1 spd) but didn't test whether all magikarp will evolve to gyarados. Forgot the route. And also there is fisherman with 5 magikarp

Shiny Umbreon June 25th, 2007 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by C&C (Post 2558538)
I tried battle him quite many but still roselia. The same apply for psychic in same route with haunter/kadabra (both +2 SA) that never evolve to gengar/alakazam (+3 sa both)

Oh and there was a trainer with a gyarados(+2 atk) and 4 magikarp(+1 spd) but didn't test whether all magikarp will evolve to gyarados. Forgot the route. And also there is fisherman with 5 magikarp

I don't know, but if Machoke evolves, why Haunter or Kadabra don't? Maybe this only applies to high leveld trainers. (The only ones I've seen evolving are the Black Belts/Crush Girls on the road to Mt. Ember on FR/LG which were about Lv60)

Yoshistar64 June 26th, 2007 5:12 PM

I hope this is right and I hope I help somehow...

In Route 224 (that's right, the place where you would get Shaymin) there will be a trainer (I believe it's an Ace trainer or a Dragon tamer, just pretty much the same thing) who has a Swablu (for 1 Sp. Def point) and Altaria (for 2 Sp. Def points), and I THINK (really think) that this is his party. Well, I believe that you get x2 if you battle a trainer, so this is a pretty good place to practice and stuff. But I'm POSITIVE that he has an Altaria in that location.

Arkarian June 26th, 2007 6:56 PM

Best place for HP imo is the first route in the game. There are plenty of level three Bidoof; use the Macho Brace, and it'll go very quickly.

Short Range June 27th, 2007 4:54 AM

I think I know what EVs are for. They are for raising your Pokemon's stats right? I have a few questions. they might sound kinda dumb though.

1. Are EVs worth the training? Do they make your Pokemon really alot stronger?

2. How do I tell how many EVs my Pokemon has?

3. How do I reduce the EVs of my Pokemon?

4. What is the maximum number of EVs a Pokemon can have?

Forci Stikane June 27th, 2007 6:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Short Range (Post 2562012)
I think I know what EVs are for. They are for raising your Pokemon's stats right? I have a few questions. they might sound kinda dumb though.

1. Are EVs worth the training? Do they make your Pokemon really alot stronger?

2. How do I tell how many EVs my Pokemon has?

3. How do I reduce the EVs of my Pokemon?

4. What is the maximum number of EVs a Pokemon can have?

1. Yes, they are worth it if you do them right (up to 63 extra points on two seperate stats).

2. If it's from someone else, the easiest way would be to decrease the EVs down to zero and count them off as you do so, which brings me to...

3. There are certain berries (Pinap to Tamato) that raise Friendship but decrease a certain stat's EVs by 10. If you want to properly EV train, MASS-PRODUCE THESE.

4. 510, but you can't put over 255 in a single stat. You would only want to add 252 to a single stat anyway, since those extra 3 would be wasted...

Short Range June 27th, 2007 6:28 AM

Well that would take spot on training and a very long time. I'll try it but I think I might give up pretty easy... thanks.

Shiny Umbreon June 27th, 2007 6:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Short Range (Post 2562175)
Well that would take spot on training and a very long time. I'll try it but I think I might give up pretty easy... thanks.

You can do it in a weekend. It's not so hard if you use the Macho Brace, just make sure you count well. They're worth it.

Forci Stikane June 27th, 2007 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Short Range (Post 2562175)
Well that would take spot on training and a very long time. I'll try it but I think I might give up pretty easy... thanks.

You can cut the number down by 100 if you use the vitamins. It's not that hard, really, especially with one of the EV-boosting items, like Macho Brace.

Short Range June 27th, 2007 2:38 PM

Then what are these IVs I have been hearing about? Are they just a different name for it or something?

Shiny Umbreon June 27th, 2007 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshistar64 (Post 2560966)
I hope this is right and I hope I help somehow...

In Route 224 (that's right, the place where you would get Shaymin) there will be a trainer (I believe it's an Ace trainer or a Dragon tamer, just pretty much the same thing) who has a Swablu (for 1 Sp. Def point) and Altaria (for 2 Sp. Def points), and I THINK (really think) that this is his party. Well, I believe that you get x2 if you battle a trainer, so this is a pretty good place to practice and stuff. But I'm POSITIVE that he has an Altaria in that location.

I'll first comfirm the trainer's location/name/party before adding it.

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Originally Posted by Arkarian (Post 2561261)
Best place for HP imo is the first route in the game. There are plenty of level three Bidoof; use the Macho Brace, and it'll go very quickly.

Sorry, but Route 201 has Bidoof as much as Starly, which could be a good chance of finding them, but they only give 1 HP EV, so I don't think it's a location worth mentioning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Short Range (Post 2563663)
Then what are these IVs I have been hearing about? Are they just a different name for it or something?

IV's are completely different. They are born with the Pokémon and thus can't be altered. And this is exactly why people hatch lots of eggs befor choosing one baby. It's because of IVs. Learn here: http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml

Short Range June 27th, 2007 4:12 PM

So it would be pretty rare to get a Pokemon from an egg with the right nature and perfect IV values 'eh? Can't you tell somehow on what your going to get? That IV tutorial was so compicated... 0_0

Dee Trier June 27th, 2007 8:45 PM

All perfect ivs is much hard than shiny, and please if you want such staff post in simple question or post a thread. This is for ev's train location =/

route 213 => a swimmer with three gyarados for attack and another trainer with marill/azumarill for hp

Momoko June 27th, 2007 9:04 PM

what are ivs and evs? people always talk about it but wth is it..i care less about it tho

Shiny Umbreon June 28th, 2007 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Short Range (Post 2563959)
So it would be pretty rare to get a Pokemon from an egg with the right nature and perfect IV values 'eh? Can't you tell somehow on what your going to get? That IV tutorial was so compicated... 0_0

Well, breeding is the best thing for this. Search for this on the internet so you learn about IVs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rei173 (Post 2564656)
what are ivs and evs? people always talk about it but wth is it..i care less about it tho

Then why you ask? You can check the link to serebii I put some posts ago (for IVs) or the tutorial on top of the first post (for EVs). I think it was important to put it so questions like this could be avoided.

Quote:

Originally Posted by C&C (Post 2564633)
All perfect ivs is much hard than shiny, and please if you want such staff post in simple question or post a thread. This is for ev's train location =/

route 213 => a swimmer with three gyarados for attack and another trainer with marill/azumarill for hp

OK. I'll check the trainers in a few mins so I can add their location and name, too.

EDIT: Wrong information. There's a trainer with two Gyarados and one Remoraid. Remoraid gives Sp. Atk, and Octillery both Sp. and Physical Attack. It's not a good combination to mix them. Most Pokémon are either physically or special, so this doesn't work. About the other one, there's no trainer with Marill/Azumarill. Please check information before just revealing it. Though I found a trainer searching for yours. He has three Shellos that may evolve to Gastrodon (for HP).

creg June 29th, 2007 11:15 AM

what does ev training mean?

Shiny Umbreon June 29th, 2007 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon
You can check the tutorial on top of the first post. I think it was important to put it so questions like this could be avoided.

Don't you at least check the threads or the other posts? If you don't know what EVs are, check in the tutorial or anywhere. If you know, you must know what EV training means. It's training specifically to get EVs.

Soulinferno July 3rd, 2007 4:24 PM

A place that I like to EV train in speed is this little cave thats right below floaroma town. Which is almost all zubats and an occasional geodude.

Shiny Umbreon July 4th, 2007 1:11 PM

Yeah, but on Route 226, you find only Fearow and Raticate, and ocasionally Spearow or Rattata or Machoke. It's still much better.

haffeysucks July 4th, 2007 2:24 PM

Speed: Surf inside Mt. Coronet for 100% encounter rate with either Zubats and Golbats.

ultima2096 July 5th, 2007 9:18 AM

thought it would make more sense asking this here than opening more EV threads.

So EV's, do they add to your stat increases as you level. so if you had a e.g. a pokemon lvl 10 wiv 30EV's (which would be 3 IV's, or stat points if im correct)in speed, would that pokemon get 3 extra stat points when it leveled from 10 to 11, and then a furthur 3 add from 11 to 12 etc? so by the time it was lvl 15 it would have15 extra stat points on its speed.
Or would it just get 3 extra stat points without stacking as it levels. so if you had a lvl 99 pokemon you could complete its EV training so when it levels to 100 it would get the EV boast?
another reason to ask here, is i lost my question i asked in one of the many random EV threads, which was can you just use vitamins as a very expensive or time comsuming (BP wise) way of effient EV levelling? so e.g. if you hatched a lvl 1 pokemon (go with spped again) and slapped aload of carbos on it (assuming that the pokemon get a stacking boast of ev points) is this a better way of EV training?
last but not least (what a stupid saying btw) is there a way of viewing EV's in game or do you just need a good old fashioned tally chart. or a fancy spreadsheet if you love the excel?
thanks banks

Shiny Umbreon July 5th, 2007 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima2096 (Post 2588254)
So EV's, do they add to your stat increases as you level. so if you had a e.g. a pokemon lvl 10 wiv 30EV's (which would be 3 IV's, or stat points if im correct)in speed, would that pokemon get 3 extra stat points when it leveled from 10 to 11, and then a furthur 3 add from 11 to 12 etc? so by the time it was lvl 15 it would have15 extra stat points on its speed.
Or would it just get 3 extra stat points without stacking as it levels. so if you had a lvl 99 pokemon you could complete its EV training so when it levels to 100 it would get the EV boast?

I didn't understand well your examples, but it's like this: Each 4 EVs gives you 1 point in a stat. Each time a Pokémon is leveled up, its EVs are counted again and the ones that hadn't been added are now added.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima2096 (Post 2588254)
another reason to ask here, is i lost my question i asked in one of the many random EV threads, which was can you just use vitamins as a very expensive or time comsuming (BP wise) way of effient EV levelling? so e.g. if you hatched a lvl 1 pokemon (go with spped again) and slapped aload of carbos on it (assuming that the pokemon get a stacking boast of ev points) is this a better way of EV training?

Giving vitamins is exactly the same as battling. The only thing is that a Pokémon will only take up to 10 vitamins, so even the rich people has to battle to get them. It's really your choice. It saves you some time but costs some more money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima2096 (Post 2588254)
last but not least (what a stupid saying btw) is there a way of viewing EV's in game or do you just need a good old fashioned tally chart. or a fancy spreadsheet if you love the excel?
thanks banks

Old fashioned tally chart. But I think someone in the previous games told you the stat in which your Pokémon had more EVs or something like that. There should be at least something like that, but there isn't.

haffeysucks July 5th, 2007 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2589021)
Old fashioned tally chart. But I think someone in the previous games told you the stat in which your Pokémon had more EVs or something like that. There should be at least something like that, but there isn't.

There's one for DVs. The description of your Pokemon tells you that. For example, my Garchomp's is "Likes to run." There probably a list somewhere but I can infer that his Speed DVs are most likely the highest.

Shiny Umbreon July 5th, 2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haffeysucks (Post 2589049)
There's one for DVs. The description of your Pokemon tells you that. For example, my Garchomp's is "Likes to run." There probably a list somewhere but I can infer that his Speed DVs are most likely the highest.

You mean IVs, right? Yeah, but if you have a calculator or whatever, you don't need them. And still they are constant, unlike EVs, so you really don't need to keep track of them. I think it's kind of curious that Pokémon have natures and characteristics that tell you about stats if they really don't tell you anything unless you have a guide.

haffeysucks July 5th, 2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2589075)
You mean IVs, right? Yeah, but if you have a calculator or whatever, you don't need them. And still they are constant, unlike EVs, so you really don't need to keep track of them. I think it's kind of curious that Pokémon have natures and characteristics that tell you about stats if they really don't tell you anything unless you have a guide.

Yeah, IVs and DVs are the same. You're right, what I just mentioned is not really helpful at all. Nintendo shouldn't have put it in, but I guess they didn't think that someone would design an IV calculator later on...

Myoko-chan July 5th, 2007 1:03 PM

A good place for special sweepers is the Lost Tower place.

Zubats +1 Speed
Gastlys +1 Special Atk

haffeysucks July 5th, 2007 1:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxshayminx (Post 2589174)
A good place for special sweepers is the Lost Tower place.

Zubats +1 Speed
Gastlys +1 Special Atk

Old Chateau is just as good, plus sometimes there are Haunters and Gengars, which are +2 and +3, respectively.

ultima2096 July 5th, 2007 2:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2589021)
I didn't understand well your examples, but it's like this: Each 4 EVs gives you 1 point in a stat. Each time a Pokémon is leveled up, its EVs are counted again and the ones that hadn't been added are now added..

so if have a level 5 pokemon, it has 4 EV's in a stat, and then i level it to 6 it gets the normal level gain stat points, plus an extra one for the 4EV's (does 4EV's = 1 IV?)?
now if i level that level 6 pokemon to level 6 pokemon to level 7 with only the same 4EV's does it still gain an additional stat point?

What i am trying to figure out is if you have a level on pokemon with say 4 EV's in speed and you level it to 100 does it end up with 100 extra stats in speed or just one from the first time you level it?
if its all based on one level then you could benefit from just EV training a lvl 99 pokemon to 100?

sorry if its confusing, its cos i get confused thinking about it!

Shiny Umbreon July 5th, 2007 8:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima2096 (Post 2589525)
so if have a level 5 pokemon, it has 4 EV's in a stat, and then i level it to 6 it gets the normal level gain stat points, plus an extra one for the 4EV's (does 4EV's = 1 IV?)?
now if i level that level 6 pokemon to level 6 pokemon to level 7 with only the same 4EV's does it still gain an additional stat point?

No, because it was already counted when it previously leveled up. It's simple. They are counted when you level up and then they just stay in the Pokémon affecting nothing else later.

Eureka1 July 5th, 2007 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haffeysucks (Post 2589210)
Old Chateau is just as good, plus sometimes there are Haunters and Gengars, which are +2 and +3, respectively.

only if you have a pokemon gba game in your ds

ultima2096 July 6th, 2007 2:22 AM

So i am correct in thinking, you can just leave all that EV training for lvl.99 considering it takes so long and then at lvl.100 you would have a fully EV trained pokemon

Eureka1 July 6th, 2007 3:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima2096 (Post 2591497)
So i am correct in thinking, you can just leave all that EV training for lvl.99 considering it takes so long and then at lvl.100 you would have a fully EV trained pokemon

err

to get the level 99 you'd have gained the max amount of evs :P

you need a completely untouched pokemon for ev training :P

ultima2096 July 6th, 2007 3:08 AM

what about busting out those delicious EV reducing berries on your pokemon?

Phanima July 6th, 2007 3:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultima2096 (Post 2591586)
what about busting out those delicious EV reducing berries on your pokemon?

Why waste the berries when you can just EV train properly and never have to use them. Besides, if you level to 99, I doubt you'll remember every Pokemon you've fought, thus using the correct berry to reduce EVs is an extremely complicated and unnecessary task.

anemos July 6th, 2007 3:56 AM

Huh. i had a question about this. after 10 years, the vitamins(and now berries) say "this item raises/lowers the BASE _____ stat.", why is that? why doesnt nintendo just TELL people about the data that makes up their game? =P

Phanima July 6th, 2007 4:31 AM

Well, the concept of training your Pokemon was always, at it's basic level, to have your Pokemon at the highest level possible before battling others who have done the same. This remained true for the first and second generations, where Individual Values and Vitamins played the major role in which Pokemon were stronger. All a person had to do was level it to 100 and they'd be pretty much set.

However, from the third generation, a lot more game mechanics have been introduced, including natures, abilities, breeding, and the all important Effort Values. With all of these factors, plus many more, there's a high chance that every Pokemon you encounter is never the same in terms of stats and training ability, unless they have been hacked or bred/trained extensively. This brought a lot of individualism to the metagame, but was never intended for players to use unless they wanted to. Thus why most of the new game mechanics can't be seen visually, as the first/second generation of training a Pokemon was considered the norm.

But the discovery of these mechanics led to the now present metagame of Pokemon tier list, EV training guides, and breeding programs. And from all this, the description for the Vitamins remained close to what it was used for in R/B/Y/G/S/C.

Shiny Umbreon July 6th, 2007 8:24 AM

Half true because R/B/Y and G/S/C did have EVs, too. But I agree about Natures, breeding and everything. Though it does make the game more competitive.

ultima2096 July 6th, 2007 8:28 AM

awesome, confusion cleared up! time to breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed :D

PokeWarped July 6th, 2007 9:48 AM

What the beepboopbops are EVs?

anemos July 6th, 2007 12:45 PM

Um, you should read all of the faq' pages on serebii, they cover all kinds of information here: http://www.serebii.net/games/mechanics.shtml
And for information on EVs, heres a link to that area. http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

PokeWarped July 6th, 2007 1:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2552695)
Does anyone know? I'd like to make a list for each stat so it can serve as a guide.


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About EVs:
Tutorial by Cema

Wild Pokémon
HP
Valley Windworks. Shellos (1 HP) and Buizel (1 Speed) are common, so ignore the latter. You'll rarely find Pachirisu (1 Speed) and Bidoof (1 HP)
Fuego Ironworks. Gastrodon (2 HP) and Shellos (1HP) can be found here while Wingull (1 Speed), Shinx (1 Attack), Luxio (2 Attack) and Pachirisu (2 Speed) should be ignored.
Route 221. In Pearl, Gastrodon (2 HP) will be pretty common and there will be Sudowoodo (2 Defense). In Diamond, some Gastrodon (2 HP) are replaced by Stunky (1 Speed) and Skuntank (2 HP) The rest are Roselia (2 Sp. Attack), Shellos (1 HP), Floatzel (2 Speed) and Wingull (1 Speed).

Attack
Route 229. Gyarados (2 Attack) are the only Pokémon to be found while fishing.
Route 210 (Celestic Side). You will find Bibarel (2 Attack), Machop (1 Attack) and Machoke (2 Attack) at the same rate as Psyduck (1 Sp. Attack), Meditite (Speed), Hoothoot (1 HP) and Noctowl (2 HP). Note that during the morning and day, Hoothoot and Noctowl will be replaced by Meditite, making it the most common.
Route 212 (Pastoria Side). Wooper (1 HP) and Roselia (2 Sp. Attack) are found here. Kricketune and Bibarel (2 Attack each) are here, too. Bibarel will be more common during daytime and Kricketune during night, but the other Pokémon won't be affected.
Route 208. While Psyduck (1 Sp. Attack) are the common thing here, you can also find Bibarel (2 Attack), Machop (1 Attack) and if you want Zubat (1 Speed), Meditite (1 Speed) and Bidoof (1 HP), they are here, too.

Defense
Ruin Maniac Cave. Geodude (1 Defense) are the most common, and the only other Pokémon here is Hippopotas (1 Defense).
Iron Island B2F (Riley's Room)/B3F. The common Pokémon here are Graveler (2 Defense) and Onix (1 Defense), with the other being Golbat (2 Speed), Steelix (2 Defense) and Geodude (1 Defense), who almost never appears.
Oreburgh Mine. Geodude (1 Defense) are common here. You can also find Onix (1 Defense) and Zubat (1 Speed) a bit less often.

Sp. Attack
Old Chateau. Gastly (1 Sp. Attack) are the only Pokémon found here while any GBA game in Slot 2 allows you to rarely find Haunter (2 Sp. Attack) and Gengar (3 Sp. Attack). The latter is only at the room with the eyes on the wall.
Resort Area. When surfing, Golduck (2 Sp. Attack) can be found.

Sp. Defense
Route 223. Tentacruel (2 Sp. Defense) and Pelipper (2 Defense) are common, while there are few Mantyke (1 Sp. Defense).
Any other surfing area. The most common Pokémon is Tentacool (1 Sp. Defense).

Speed
Route 226. There's plenty of Fearow and Raticate (2 points each) and sometimes Spearow and Rattata (1 point each). You may rarely find Machoke (2 Attack) or Golduck (2 Attack). It's better at day, because Banette (2 Attack) appear frequently at night.
Victory Road B1F. When surfing, Golbat (2 Speed) are the only Pokémon to be found.
Trophy Garden. Though Roselia (2 Sp. Attack) are more common that others, there are Pichu (1 Speed), Pikachu (2 Speed), Staravia (2 Speed) and Kricketune (2 Attack). Note that, during the morning, Pichu are more common; in the day, Staravia; and during the night, Kricketune; though neither of these affect the number of Roselia.
Route 221. In Pearl, Gastrodon (2 HP) will be pretty common and there will be Sudowoodo (2 Defense). In Diamond, some Gastrodon (2 HP) are replaced by Stunky (1 Speed) and Skuntank (2 HP) The rest are Roselia (2 Sp. Attack), Shellos (1 HP), Floatzel (2 Speed) and Wingull (1 Speed).

VS Seeker
HP
Route 213. Tuber Jared, at the south-east corner of the map, has three Shellos (1 HP) which may evolve into Gastrodon (2 HP).

Attack
Route 210 (Celestic Side). Black Belt Adam, near Celestic Town, has a Machoke (2 Attack) that will evolve to Machamp (3 Attack).

Defense

Sp. Attack
Route 214. Collector Douglas, just beforing reaching the lakefront from Veilstone, has three Roselia (2 Sp. Attack). {Need confirmation about whether they evolve or not}

Sp. Defense

Speed
Route 211 (Eterna Side). Ninja Boy Zach, a the top right corner of the grass, has three Zubats (1 Speed) which then become Golbat (2 Speed) and Crobat (3 Speed).

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Post locations you know or use to write them here.

Info so far thanks to me, Eureka1, Arkarian, C&C, Samson and Blazed.

Finally, an EV explanation that makes sense! Time to change my siggy.

Shiny Umbreon July 6th, 2007 4:26 PM

Really, instead of asking what EVs are, you could read the tutorial at the first post.

beauty. proletariat July 6th, 2007 5:39 PM

My friend, you made a silly mistake


also, tentacool and tentacruel give sp def points, 1 point, and 2 points (respectively)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiny Umbreon (Post 2552695)
Does anyone know? I'd like to make a list for each stat so it can serve as a guide.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

About EVs:
Tutorial by Cema

Wild Pokémon
HP
Valley Windworks. Shellos (1 HP) and Buizel (1 Speed) are common, so ignore the latter. You'll rarely find Pachirisu (1 Speed) and Bidoof (1 HP)
Fuego Ironworks. Gastrodon (2 HP) and Shellos (1HP) can be found here while Wingull (1 Speed), Shinx (1 Attack), Luxio (2 Attack) and Pachirisu (2 Speed) should be ignored.
Route 221. In Pearl, Gastrodon (2 HP) will be pretty common and there will be Sudowoodo (2 Defense). In Diamond, some Gastrodon (2 HP) are replaced by Stunky (1 Speed) and Skuntank (2 HP) The rest are Roselia (2 Sp. Attack), Shellos (1 HP), Floatzel (2 Speed) and Wingull (1 Speed).

Attack
Route 229. Gyarados (2 Attack) are the only Pokémon to be found while fishing.
Route 210 (Celestic Side). You will find Bibarel (2 Attack), Machop (1 Attack) and Machoke (2 Attack) at the same rate as Psyduck (1 Sp. Attack), Meditite (Speed), Hoothoot (1 HP) and Noctowl (2 HP). Note that during the morning and day, Hoothoot and Noctowl will be replaced by Meditite, making it the most common.
Route 212 (Pastoria Side). Wooper (1 HP) and Roselia (2 Sp. Attack) are found here. Kricketune and Bibarel (2 Attack each) are here, too. Bibarel will be more common during daytime and Kricketune during night, but the other Pokémon won't be affected.
Route 208. While Psyduck (1 Sp. Attack) are the common thing here, you can also find Bibarel (2 Attack), Machop (1 Attack) and if you want Zubat (1 Speed), Meditite (1 Speed) and Bidoof (1 HP), they are here, too.

Defense
Ruin Maniac Cave. Geodude (1 Defense) are the most common, and the only other Pokémon here is Hippopotas (1 Defense).
Iron Island B2F (Riley's Room)/B3F. The common Pokémon here are Graveler (2 Defense) and Onix (1 Defense), with the other being Golbat (2 Speed), Steelix (2 Defense) and Geodude (1 Defense), who almost never appears.
Oreburgh Mine. Geodude (1 Defense) are common here. You can also find Onix (1 Defense) and Zubat (1 Speed) a bit less often.

Sp. Attack
Old Chateau. Gastly (1 Sp. Attack) are the only Pokémon found here while any GBA game in Slot 2 allows you to rarely find Haunter (2 Sp. Attack) and Gengar (3 Sp. Attack). The latter is only at the room with the eyes on the wall.
Resort Area. When surfing, Golduck (2 Sp. Attack) can be found.

Sp. Defense
Route 223. Tentacruel (2 Sp. Defense) and Pelipper (2 Defense) are common, while there are few Mantyke (1 Sp. Defense).
Any other surfing area. The most common Pokémon is Tentacool (1 Sp. Defense).

Speed
Route 226. There's plenty of Fearow and Raticate (2 points each) and sometimes Spearow and Rattata (1 point each). You may rarely find Machoke (2 Attack) or Golduck (2 Attack). It's better at day, because Banette (2 Attack) appear frequently at night.
Victory Road B1F. When surfing, Golbat (2 Speed) are the only Pokémon to be found.
Trophy Garden. Though Roselia (2 Sp. Attack) are more common that others, there are Pichu (1 Speed), Pikachu (2 Speed), Staravia (2 Speed) and Kricketune (2 Attack). Note that, during the morning, Pichu are more common; in the day, Staravia; and during the night, Kricketune; though neither of these affect the number of Roselia.
Route 221. In Pearl, Gastrodon (2 HP) will be pretty common and there will be Sudowoodo (2 Defense). In Diamond, some Gastrodon (2 HP) are replaced by Stunky (1 Speed) and Skuntank (2 HP) The rest are Roselia (2 Sp. Attack), Shellos (1 HP), Floatzel (2 Speed) and Wingull (1 Speed).

VS Seeker
HP
Route 213. Tuber Jared, at the south-east corner of the map, has three Shellos (1 HP) which may evolve into Gastrodon (2 HP).

Attack
Route 210 (Celestic Side). Black Belt Adam, near Celestic Town, has a Machoke (2 Attack) that will evolve to Machamp (3 Attack).

Defense

Sp. Attack
Route 214. Collector Douglas, just beforing reaching the lakefront from Veilstone, has three Roselia (2 Sp. Attack). {Need confirmation about whether they evolve or not}

Sp. Defense

Speed
Route 211 (Eterna Side). Ninja Boy Zach, a the top right corner of the grass, has three Zubats (1 Speed) which then become Golbat (2 Speed) and Crobat (3 Speed).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Post locations you know or use to write them here.

Info so far thanks to me, Eureka1, Arkarian, C&C, Samson and Blazed.


Shiny Umbreon July 7th, 2007 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NekroBoi (Post 2594624)
My friend, you made a silly mistake


also, tentacool and tentacruel give sp def points, 1 point, and 2 points (respectively)

Isn't that what I put? I'll search if I didn't.

beauty. proletariat July 7th, 2007 11:23 PM

DUDE!! for SP DEF EVs, tentacool gives 1 EV, and tentacruel gives 2 EV they arent rare either!

ultima2096 July 8th, 2007 6:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiny umbreon
Sp. Defense
Route 223. Tentacruel (2 Sp. Defense) and Pelipper (2 Defense) are common, while there are few Mantyke (1 Sp. Defense).
Any other surfing area. The most common Pokémon is Tentacool (1 Sp. Defense).

Quote:

Originally Posted by nekroboi
DUDE!! for SP DEF EVs, tentacool gives 1 EV, and tentacruel gives 2 EV they arent rare either!

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh?!?!?!
da hell is going on?? have you gone insane nekroboi!!
whilst i did read the first post i still needed to ask some questions to clear up any further confusion. Ome of the serebii guides arent very good. general lack of information and look like a rush job by a five year old. but thanks to some expertise he im all the wiser for EV's and practically everything else D/P related

~Mithos~ July 8th, 2007 3:03 PM

here I got two.

The pond right above jubilife has phyducks and golducks that both give sp. attack EV's (1 and 2 respectively)

and left of eterna city using VS. seeker fight the fishermen with magikarp for speed (they don't level up)

Shiny Umbreon July 8th, 2007 7:53 PM

^Pond added, though it works the same way as the Resort Area.
And Magikarp is not so useful compared to the three Zubat/Golbat/Crobat the ninja boy has.

Phanima July 8th, 2007 8:47 PM

VS Seeker

Special Defense:

Route 210 (foggy section) - Ninja Boy Davido (upper level) - L27 Dustox (3 Sp. Defense)

Route 230 - SwimmerF Sophia (bottom of pair with SwimmerM) - 50 Mantyke, L52 Mantine (3 Sp. Defense)

Route 230 - SwimmerF Mallory (pacing, spinning, in top "row" of rocks) - L50 Seel, L54 Dewgong (3 Sp. Defense)

makiri July 9th, 2007 12:22 PM

I have 3 questions:
1. When pokemon is holding a Macho Brace does he get 2x more EV's?
2. When i'll change pokemon and defeat wild pokemon with other one who will get EV's? The pokemon that i sent at the beggining or the one who defeated him? Or maybe each of them will have half?
3. The same thing but with exp Share (when pokemon isn't fighting but get's Exp)

~Mithos~ July 9th, 2007 12:36 PM

magikarps are usefull because there are two or three fishermen compared to one ninja boy but I will try the ninja boy in the future

Shiny Umbreon July 9th, 2007 1:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makiri (Post 2605914)
I have 3 questions:
1. When pokemon is holding a Macho Brace does he get 2x more EV's?
2. When i'll change pokemon and defeat wild pokemon with other one who will get EV's? The pokemon that i sent at the beggining or the one who defeated him? Or maybe each of them will have half?
3. The same thing but with exp Share (when pokemon isn't fighting but get's Exp)

1. Yes, Macho Brace doubles the EVs.
2. Each one will get ALL Evs. There's no diving, so if a Pokémon gives 2 Attack Evs, each of your Pokémon will get 2.
3. Same as 2.

@Phanima: Information added. Thanks for the names and locations, it served.

ultima2096 July 9th, 2007 2:19 PM

i thought with exp. share and switching in battles the EV's were divided and rounded up. thus always getting one EV? well unless u fought a 3EV giving pokemon, with only two pokemon.

~Mithos~ July 9th, 2007 2:20 PM

can you get macho brace in D/P?

anemos July 9th, 2007 2:33 PM

um, migrate someone holding it from RSE, or MAYBE the battl etower has them

Gunn July 9th, 2007 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mithos kid (Post 2606297)
can you get macho brace in D/P?

You can get the Macho Brace from a Bug guy in Pastoria City. You will need to show him the three forms of Burmy first. Edit: He is in one of the houses by the way.

Ftkatyowser July 10th, 2007 4:11 AM

I like HP training at lake Verity- Bidoof is common, and you can also find starly, surskit, and woboffet.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 8:50 AM

um, i'm not sure what a burmy is (I know its some pokemon and its on my dex) and how do I change it's fourms

wait nevermind I know what it is, but how does it change forms?

ultima2096 July 10th, 2007 9:29 AM

burmys form changes depending on where you battled last to get the tan ground form you have to battle on roads,caves,and ruins.To get the pink steel form you have to battle inside buildings.When you catch it, it will already be in its grass form. If its female at level 20 it will evolve into wormadam (and its form will be constantly changed). If its male it will evolve into mothim.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 9:37 AM

time to go find a burmy on the GTS.

Shiny Umbreon July 10th, 2007 12:52 PM

Not sure if I need to mention it, but, just in case, you need three Burmy by the way.

codymr14 July 10th, 2007 4:34 PM

i dont really understand ev's can someone help me plz

empoleonrules July 10th, 2007 6:01 PM

Place to EV train Empoleon?
 
I need a place to EV train My level 79 Empoleon,I want to raise it's hp,speed,and or,sp. Def.

His stats:
Hp:247
Attack:161
defense:159
Spec. attack:215
Sp. def:187
speed:144
Nature:mild
item:splash plate

I either want to make Her a tank(yes i can breed piplup)or a wall/sweeper.

legendtamer1995 July 10th, 2007 7:03 PM

I don't know if someone said this already but you find lots of Gloom (+ 2 Sp. Attack) in the Resort Area.

ultima2096 July 11th, 2007 1:28 AM

Another question :-p !!
when raising happiness the soothe bell double the effort of what eva happiness raising technique used. e.g. if you go the the massage place you get 30 happiness with the soothe bell, 15 without (fictional numbers).
so with the macho brace held, which double your ev's, do you get 20EVs instead of 10 for vitamins?

makiri July 12th, 2007 3:05 PM

One more question. When my pokemon is holding Power Brace and defeats i.e. Gastly does he get 5 EV? (1+4)

ultima2096 July 12th, 2007 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makiri (Post 2618333)
One more question. When my pokemon is holding Power Brace and defeats i.e. Gastly does he get 5 EV? (1+4)

its 'e.g.' (i.e. stands for 'this is' or 'that is') ;)

it does get 5evs but, 4 in attack and 1 in special attack.

Dev - Crusher July 14th, 2007 12:38 AM

must your pokemon that you want to train has to battle the pokemon and then swap it for a different pokemon will you still get IV'S?

Smarties-chan July 14th, 2007 12:42 AM

Quote:

must your pokemon that you want to train has to battle the pokemon and then swap it for a different pokemon will you still get EV'S?
Yes, as long as a Pokémon gains experience, it also gains EVs.

Dev - Crusher July 14th, 2007 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarties-kun (Post 2623830)
Yes, as long as a Pokémon gains experience, it also gains EVs.

ok for example, if i've got experience share on my pokemon and he doesnt battle can he still get the EV points?

Shiny Umbreon July 14th, 2007 9:12 AM

You get the same EVs as if it had battled.

Shiny Umbreon July 16th, 2007 3:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haowakeorden (Post 2630967)
I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet:
For Speed EVs, Fisherman Andrew on Route 205 north is probably the best. Andrew is on the wooden bridge, third person from the left and second from the right.
He has six Level 10 Magikarp (they do not evolve), each giving 1 EV. That's 6 Speed EVs without any special items. With Power Anklet attached, Andrew will yield 30 Speed EVs.
Not only that, you could attach any other Power item to you Pokémon, fight Andrew and get 24 EVs of your desired stat, and use Tamato Berries to delete the (unwanted) Speed EVs. This could potentially allow you to train with Andrew for any stat.

As a side note, for Attack, an alternative is PI Carlos on Route 214. He has a Goldeen (1 Attack) and two Seaking (2 Attack each), and I've heard that his Goldeen will eventually evolve.

I don't know, but having to wait 100 steps until challenging again with only half the chance of actaully succeeding, is not good enough for 6 EVs. Also, I think most Pokémon evolve. If Machoke evolves, surely does Magikarp.

Shiny Umbreon July 17th, 2007 5:38 PM

I don't know what I was thinking about. Maybe it's just the idea of Magikarp but you're right. It's good and, if they evolve, it would be surely something. I'll add him to the list then.

Master_Beaver July 18th, 2007 8:53 AM

This post is great . . . thanks guys!!!

codymr14 July 20th, 2007 4:33 PM

what does a rhydon give you

where is a collector with gravelers or something like that or golem uz im trying to get my milotic to have an awesomely high defense

Shiny Umbreon July 21st, 2007 7:12 AM

Rhydon gives 2 Attack EVs.

And you can try this for defense:

Quote:

Defense
Ruin Maniac Cave. Geodude (1 Defense) are the most common, and the only other Pokémon here is Hippopotas (1 Defense).
Iron Island B2F (Riley's Room)/B3F. The common Pokémon here are Graveler (2 Defense) and Onix (1 Defense), with the other being Golbat (2 Speed), Steelix (2 Defense) and Geodude (1 Defense), who almost never appears.
Oreburgh Mine. Geodude (1 Defense) are common here. You can also find Onix (1 Defense) and Zubat (1 Speed) a bit less often.



No trainers, but Ruin Maniac's Cave and Iron Island are very good, espcially the latter.

makiri July 21st, 2007 10:36 AM

I have a question. I maxed EV's of my Swampert, can i give him now Rare Candies until lv. 100 or will be his stats lower and i should train with battles?

Shiny Umbreon July 21st, 2007 4:32 PM

When you max a Pokémon's EVs, level it up once (with battles) so it recalculates the EVs, then you can train it the way you want.

BoBoMaster13 July 26th, 2007 10:21 PM

This has helped me soo much thanks guys!

ultima2096 July 27th, 2007 1:11 AM

if you fully ev train a pokemon in one stat say def. with 252 ev's, how does that translate into stat gain?
i assume its four evs to a stat, giving you an extra 63 points in what your training in. but wasnt sure if im right?! :knockedou


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