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Vainz June 24th, 2007 5:23 PM

Show Me The Best Wall Team
 
I am intrested in making a defensive team. I am not sure about Nature's. Here are some of the pokemon that i was thinking about using. I will probably be utilizing Toxic and Curse(for Dusknoir).

Dusknoir
Shuckle
Probopass

Please give some suggestions

Soulinferno June 24th, 2007 5:34 PM

Some good walls are blissey and snorlax I think.

Vainz June 24th, 2007 5:45 PM

Both Blissey and Snorlax have great SDef, but they both have bad Def. I would probably choose Blissey

So far we have:

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Curse
-Destiny Bond
-Confuse Ray
-Shadow Punch
[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Softboiled
-Attract
-FILLER
-FILLER
[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Iron Defense
-Thunder Wave
-FILLER
-FILLER
[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Toxic
-FILLER
-FILLER
-FILLER

I need some move suggestions and some help with Natures
If you think i should change these pokemon, please post.

itsgian June 24th, 2007 6:32 PM

Uh, I'm sure Milotic is a great Special Wall, with its phenomonal Special Defense.

Vainz June 24th, 2007 7:54 PM

That is a good choice. Our team doesnt have a weakness to Elec or Grass yet. Its Defense isnt half bad either. We will add Milotic.

The Team so far is:

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Curse
-Destiny Bond
-Confuse Ray
-Shadow Punch

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Softboiled
-Attract
-FILLER
-FILLER

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Iron Defense
-Thunder Wave
-FILLER
-FILLER

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Toxic
-FILLER
-FILLER
-FILLER

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Aqua Ring
-Mirror Coat
-FILLER
-FILLER

We only need one more pokemon until the Defense Team is complete
if you have any more suggestions, changes, or additions, please post.

Punishment June 24th, 2007 8:13 PM

How about adding an Umbreon. Her Defense and Special Defense along with her HP aint to shabby either.

She can also learn a variety of annoying attacks such as Toxic, Taunt, Yawn, Mean Look etc.

Richard Lynch June 24th, 2007 8:15 PM

Schuckle is bad... best Defenses in the game, but his HP is TERRIBLE. Check out Claydol...

Claydol + Skarmory + Blissey = best walling team.

Add Dusknoir, and maybe Spiritomb.

Milotic works too.

So:

Claydol
Skarmory
Blissey
Dusknoir
Spiritomb
Milotic

Gymnotide June 24th, 2007 8:21 PM

Pain Split on Noir makes him one bad tanking machine. You should probably remove Curse, unless you add Mean Look.

Vainz June 24th, 2007 8:52 PM

Ok, Ok, lets hold on a minute. I agree about the Shuckle statement made by Richard Steel, so we are going to get rid of it. Plain Split is a good idea, so we get rid of Curse, and put that in. Claydol has high defense, but he also has six weakness:

Water
Grass
Ice
Bug
Ghost
Dark

I am afarid that is a few to many.
I will remove Probopass because it to has poor HP, and i will put in Skarmory. I will also add Spiritomb, but there probably is a pokemon with better defense.

So Far:

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Pain Split
-Destiny Bond
-Confuse Ray
-Shadow Punch

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Softboiled
-Attract
-FILLER
-FILLER

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Spikes
-Whirlwind
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Curse
-Confuse Ray
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Aqua Ring
-Mirror Coat
-FILLER
-FILLER

I am open to more suggestions. Please look at the team first to make sure you wont add a weakness we already have a few of.

Captain Fabio June 25th, 2007 1:28 AM

On blissy! to have a good one, have this move set:
[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Softboiled
-Attract (no, you might run into female pokemon, the this is pointless) So change it to Toxic!
-FILLER (Sysmic toss) To do 100 damage!
-FILLER (Armoatheripy or refresh) To get rid of any status conditions!

Nightofshadow June 25th, 2007 4:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garra_of_the_desert (Post 2555842)
On blissy! to have a good one, have this move set:
[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Softboiled
-Attract (no, you might run into female pokemon, the this is pointless) So change it to Toxic!
-FILLER (Sysmic toss) To do 100 damage!
-FILLER (Armoatheripy or refresh) To get rid of any status conditions!

uh... no.. Aromatherapy instead of toxic :VVV
Thunderwave and seimic toss for the last 2 attacks :V

Toxic sucks on blissey, There is NO reason to put it on her

Punishment June 25th, 2007 6:50 AM

I strongly recommend Milotic to have her moveset this way...

- Surf (for Stab)
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Mirror Coat/Hypnosis

Aqua Ring is in no way as good as Recover. Without it Milotic will not last too long in battle. Plus you have Leftovers which fill in the same role. Some offense attacks are nice even if your team is a bunch of walls. Surf can smash through anyone who doesnt resist it because she has a pretty over average Special Attack. Ice Beams stop Dragon sweepers in their tracks. Mirror Coats make Special Sweepers think twice. Hypnosis can disable an annoying Pokemon.

For your last Pokemon I recommend Umbreon. She has a base Defense stat of 110, a base stat of 130 for Special Defense and a base HP of 95. She could be a Toxi-tank meaning she can use Mean Look to trap and opponent and kill them with purple goo. She can also learn Baton Pass and Wish, a viable support member for recovering the teams HP. Her movepool is quite large as the attacks she learns are Confuse Ray, Curse, Fake Tears, Tickle, Wish , Yawn, Taunt and much more. Not to mention she is only weak to fighting and bug types. But even with such a weakness it takes a few turns to knock her out. On the good side she has an immunity to Psychic and resistances to Ghost and Dark.

Vainz June 25th, 2007 10:12 AM

Ok, time to make some adjustments. After reading your comments, i have some moves to add and change. Thanks to all who posted, and please keep doing so. I will add Umbreon. Thx Punishment. I think that is a good addition.

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Pain Split
-Destiny Bond
-Confuse Ray
-Shadow Punch

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Softboiled
-Toxic OR Thunder Wave
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Spikes
-Whirlwind
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Curse
-Confuse Ray
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Recover
-Mirror Coat
-Ice Beam
-Surf

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Confuse Ray Or Baton Pass
-Wish

I cannot decied to keep Toxic or Thunder Wave for Blissey and Confuse Ray or Baton Pass for Umbreon. Please post an argument for one side to make my choice the right one. I also need natures so post more. I am always open to suggestions.

Punishment June 25th, 2007 10:29 AM

Thunder Wave for Blissey because she needs it to outrun her opponents. Umbreon can take care of toxicating. Baton Pass over Confuse Ray because Umbreon is slow so you would want it to take a hit for a Pokemon so the one coming in can get Wish and wont be hit. Not to mention you want to lock your opponent in with Mean Look while toxicating and Baton Pass posses that over.

Natures for Milotic is Bold or Calm. Skarmory is Impish and Blissey and Umbreon Bold.

Vainz June 25th, 2007 10:45 AM

Thx again Punishment. I now have some of the Natures. We will go with Thuder Wave and Baton Pass. I think we have a really good team coming along.

So Far:

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Pain Split
-Destiny Bond
-Confuse Ray
-Shadow Punch

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Bold
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Impish
-Spikes
-Whirlwind
-Drill Peck
-Steel Wing

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Curse
-Confuse Ray
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Bold
-Recover
-Mirror Coat
-Ice Beam
-Surf

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Bold
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Baton Pass
-Wish

Continue to post. We still need Natures for Spiritomb and Dusknoir. I am always open to comments.

Punishment June 25th, 2007 10:50 AM

For Skarmory you may want to go with Rest/Roost instead of Steel Wing. A recovery move would make it last way longer in battle.

Vainz June 25th, 2007 11:42 AM

Good Idea Punishment. Keep them coming. I am also going to start an overall best Team thread. Look for it.

So Far We Have:

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Pain Split
-Destiny Bond
-Confuse Ray
-Shadow Punch

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Bold
-Softboiled
-Thunder Wave
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Impish
-Spikes
-Whirlwind
-Drill Peck
-Roost

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature:
-Curse
-Confuse Ray
-Nasty Plot
-Dark Pulse

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Bold
-Recover
-Mirror Coat
-Ice Beam
-Surf

[email protected] Leftovers
Nature: Bold
-Mean Look
-Toxic
-Baton Pass
-Wish

I am always open to new suggestions

Punishment June 25th, 2007 11:44 AM

Will-o-wisp on Dusknoir maybe a good idea. It burns the opponenet for damage while cutting their attack stat in half.


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