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Avolition July 5th, 2007 11:08 AM

Yeah, I don't like those "super" moves either. You can't rely on Fire Blast.

Angelic Diablo July 5th, 2007 4:44 PM

Fire Blast does have the best accuracy of the super moves though (85 i think) which it makes it hit quite often (you only need one hit to KO a Skarmory anyway)

Avolition July 5th, 2007 5:01 PM

No, I use 95 accuracy moves and miss a lot. But maybe I'm just unlucky.

Waffle-San July 5th, 2007 5:19 PM

O, so tired, well if we're trying again, I need to start paying better attention.

sims796 July 5th, 2007 5:21 PM

Were not really trying over, just fixing mistakes.

Avolition July 5th, 2007 5:23 PM

Yeah, we wanna make sure this team actually works. Figure out Pokmon weaknesses we never noticed before.

sims796 July 5th, 2007 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooty McWoot (Post 2590012)
Yeah, we wanna make sure this team actually works. Figure out Pokmon weaknesses we never noticed before.

To a point. We still got that "Combating The Best Team" thread to work on after this.

Waffle-San July 5th, 2007 5:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooty McWoot (Post 2590012)
Yeah, we wanna make sure this team actually works. Figure out Pokmon weaknesses we never noticed before.

Well the problem with this is that every pokemon has its weaknesses and no matter how hard we try there's always going to be some one to knock it down a level.
(^^I'm looking forward to prooving myself wrong^^)
This team was prepared for opponens that would be running very good teams but with the well known pokemon(not saying we didn't cover some of the less obvious because we all worked hard and I know that.)
Now we need to assemble/fix a team that can combat the pokemon your not always expecting or you wouldn't normally think it's the first choice, like say Umbreon or Jumpluff(yes Jumpluff, weak but extremely annoying, plus it catches you WAY off your guard.)

Or.... not.

Avolition July 5th, 2007 5:36 PM

Yes, the dreaded Jumpluff. I remember I got owned by one once. Anyways, what mistakes do we have? xD huge question..

Vainz July 5th, 2007 5:44 PM

Ok, Ok. Lets take this a little more slowly. I agree that taking down this whole team is a terrible idea. I am now going to give you some of my own opinions, and then my opinions on what you have said. First, let me start by saying that the list that has been shown is a very good idea, but first, i think we should trim it down to the VERY OU pokemon, such as infernape, Blissey, Skarmory, Metagross, Milotic, ect. This way, we can take focus on the situations that are most likely to occur. I do agree with the first four pokemon that Paranoia has choosen. Which i believe are Dusknoir, Milotic, Salamence, and Metagross.

Now for the parts i dont like. Lets first talk about Milotic. To use rest and sleep talk is... guys, im sorry i am having a situaton, i have to go now. Sry. i will post tommorow

Paranoia July 5th, 2007 5:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vainz (Post 2590088)
Ok, Ok. Lets take this a little more slowly. I agree that taking down this whole team is a terrible idea. I am now going to give you some of my own opinions, and then my opinions on what you have said. First, let me start by saying that the list that has been shown is a very good idea, but first, i think we should trim it down to the VERY OU pokemon, such as infernape, Blissey, Skarmory, Metagross, Milotic, ect. This way, we can take focus on the situations that are most likely to occur. I do agree with the first four pokemon that Paranoia has choosen. Which i believe are Dusknoir, Milotic, Salamence, and Metagross.

Now for the parts i dont like. Lets first talk about Milotic. To use rest and sleep talk is... guys, im sorry i am having a situaton, i have to go now. Sry. i will post tommorow

Well, I gave milotic nearly max def, and whenever milotic has a status (Rest) she gets DOUBLE her def, so if it is 200 it becomes 400,thanks to good old marvel scale!, That is why sleeptalker is so awesome on milotic, it is also her standard set in the 4th gen, but it is still awesome, and it stops any attempts of her being able to get toxicfied.

Avolition July 5th, 2007 6:12 PM

I agree, and I'd also like to say, if we decide not to do the restalk set, she always has Refresh.

Paranoia July 5th, 2007 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooty McWoot (Post 2590234)
I agree, and I'd also like to say, if we decide not to do the restalk set, she always has Refresh.

You agree to whom? (Write the name of the person, Because right now I am confuzzled (Confused))

Also, refresh is an option, But milotic still needs a way to stall and survive, so yeah, we need to decide the last 2, of whom needs a Sp.Atk sweeper and we could go for a clericwishpasser! (If you want)

sims796 July 5th, 2007 6:25 PM

If I may make stupid suggestion (emphasis on stupid) how about Vileplume? Thats my favorite pokemon of all, and a pretty damn good one. It is an effective clergy, and pretty good sp.att, too. Plus he has Synthesis. But if ya'll don't like it, don't everyone jump at me at once...

Avolition July 5th, 2007 6:27 PM

1. I was agreeing with Paranoia about how good the Restalk thing is.
2. Vileplume is a pretty good idea, I guess. We do need a heal for status.

Paranoia July 5th, 2007 6:28 PM

I don't think vileplume is the best decision, but here me out why, His job is done better by any other cleric, and I don't know for sure, but does he have any staying power? As in leech seed and the likes, and with synthesis, that fails if a sandstorm is in play.

Waffle-San July 5th, 2007 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2590276)
If I may make stupid suggestion (emphasis on stupid) how about Vileplume? Thats my favorite pokemon of all, and a pretty damn good one. It is an effective clergy, and pretty good sp.att, too. Plus he has Synthesis. But if ya'll don't like it, don't everyone jump at me at once...

Its deffently original and the best teams are always ones that make the opponent take a step back out of their protective "circle."(i've used quotation marks so much tonight, wow)

Avolition July 5th, 2007 6:31 PM

Hmm, what about Bellossom. Bellossom is pretty good, I've tried it. I think it has decent special defense too. It might not work in wifi battling though, because it would need a fire move.

Waffle-San July 5th, 2007 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paranoia (Post 2590287)
I don't think vileplume is the best decision, but here me out why, His job is done better by any other cleric, and I don't know for sure, but does he have any staying power? .

Sorry for being Noobish or whatever the kids call it these days(aha i finally said it, nevermind) but I'm really bad with codes so explanations could help. It took me a good two week for me to figure out what DD was, and I still can't figure out STAB. If cleric isn't a shortened version of anything, I'm only bringing it up because I'm not thinking straight and i was in the Sun to much today.

sims796 July 5th, 2007 6:38 PM

Well, I personally use him as a Sunnybeamer, if thats what their called nowadays. The Weather is always Sunny, and my Pokes are free from pain.

My most used 'Plume, Petals, has this:

Vileplume-Black Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb
Aromatherapy
Toxic/Stun Spore/Synthesis/Leech Seed

I have someone who knows Sunny Day to support him.


But while he molds perfectly into my team, one look showed me it wouldn't fit here.

And Excuse my cheap attempt to show off my Vileplume

And cleric is a poke with Aromatherapy or Heal Bell to recover the rest of the team's status problems.

Paranoia July 5th, 2007 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2590321)
Well, I personally use him as a Sunnybeamer, if thats what their called nowadays. The Weather is always Sunny, and my Pokes are free from pain.

My most used 'Plume, Petals, has this:

Vileplume-Black Sludge
Nature:Calm
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb
Aromatherapy
Toxic/Stun Spore/Synthesis/Leech Seed

I have someone who knows Sunny Day to support him.


But while he molds perfectly into my team, one look showed me it wouldn't fit here.

And Excuse my cheap attempt to show off my Vileplume

By all means show them off, I will randomly show off my mamoswine in a future post, lols, anyway EVs and now for an RMT, Get SLUDGE BOMB OUT OF THAT MOVESET, and teach it something else, Poison fails as an attacking type, so yeah, re-consider that move, and you could have toxic and synthesis, so you get MAX Hp recovery and you can status them, except you want to switch out on hera as he is asking for a status.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.May16 (Post 2590320)
Sorry for being Noobish or whatever the kids call it these days(aha i finally said it, nevermind) but I'm really bad with codes so explanations could help. It took me a good two week for me to figure out what DD was, and I still can't figure out STAB. If cleric isn't a shortened version of anything, I'm only bringing it up because I'm not thinking straight and i was in the Sun to much today.

Don't worry about it, I am always happy to help people out, anyway STAB means Same type attack bonus, which gives a 1.5x the attacking power, so if it was fire blast and charizard was using it, it would have a + 60 to the 120 = 180 power instead of 120.

A cleric is a team healer, as they will always have the move aromatherapy which clears the whole team of status effects, and the wish passer is when they pass on wishes, through means of BP OR somersault. (I think it passes)

Waffle-San July 5th, 2007 6:48 PM

RMT?? man I'm stupid tonight, i need to get re-charged, wheres my Pikachu?

sims796 July 5th, 2007 6:49 PM

OH, I GET IT!!! Thanks, I was a bit conflicted on his moves (hence the four-moves-on-final-moveslot) But I was a bit confused on him, honestly.

But lets get back to topic, we strayed a bit too far off.

Tommorow, I am making a RMT thread. Look at it if you get a chance.

Now lets get back on topic, we strayed enough as it is! :)

Waffle-San July 5th, 2007 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paranoia (Post 2590330)
Don't worry about it, I am always happy to help people out, anyway STAB means Same type attack bonus, which gives a 1.5x the attacking power, so if it was fire blast and charizard was using it, it would have a + 60 to the 120 = 180 power instead of 120.

A cleric is a team healer, as they will always have the move aromatherapy which clears the whole team of status effects, and the wish passer is when they pass on wishes, through means of BP OR somersault. (I think it passes)

Thanks for the help, i'm not as stupid as i appear, I know exactly what a lot of those are just didn't know the abbreviations. ^Just needed to defend myself from my own dissing of myself.

Sorry Sims796 for kinda changing topic.

Avolition July 5th, 2007 6:55 PM

Actually, I think it was the topic. Which Pokemon we need for a cleric or whatever.


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