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Punishment June 27th, 2007 11:16 AM

Okay I am going to hammer out Milotic's Move Set.

-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis

Ice Beam is a given. Hit those dragons hard and cover her grass weakness. Surf is for STAB, so anything that doesn't resist it will be washed away. Recover over Aqua Ring because it is about quantity. If Milotic is going to take a hit from an electrical attack from a slow Pokemon it needs means of recovering the lost HP fast. Plus we already have Leftovers.

Hypnosis because it goes in hand with Recover. Opponents cringe when their Pokemon is slumbering. Sure Mirror Coat is good and might get a nice KO over something but Milotic usually gets swept next turn from a revenge kill. Most people are also expecting Milotic to have Mirror Coat so they usually send out a Physical Sweeper to take care of her.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:16 AM

On Ludicolo, that seems nice. With Swift Swim, it could be unmercifully fast, and with base 90 sp.att, and pretty good type in my opinion, it could be of use.

Punishment June 27th, 2007 11:18 AM

Ludicolo is nice. Not to mention it covers other weaknesses not already taken. It is meant to be a Drainer/Annoyer. Ludicolo isnt supposed to be put up against Physical Sweepers anyways. With Leech Seed and a combination of Toxic to top it off with Leftovers Ludicolo can easily sap opponents into submission.

Waffle-San June 27th, 2007 11:20 AM

I gotta agree that is a nice Metagross but (maybe it's just me) see more of a down side to using a Choice Band, I just don't like the idea of having to use the same move over and over again. Sicne we're focusing a lot on HP, what about a Life orb, I don't know how much it decreases HP but it'd give us a chance to use more of a variety and beready for a baton passer.

Just my opinion, it's already very intimidating.

Punishment June 27th, 2007 11:21 AM

I too am not a fan of Choice Bands. Life Orb only takes down about 10% of the HP so I would go with that. Explosion can compliment this because once Metagross looks like it can take no more send if off with a good bang.

Waffle-San June 27th, 2007 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punishment (Post 2563032)
I too am not a fan of Choice Bands. Life Orb only takes down about 10% of the HP so I would go with that. Explosion can compliment this because once Metagross looks like it can take no more send if off with a good bang.

Very true so are we already to leave Metagross, I think its looking pretty good now, and for everyone elses sake I won't mention Salamence again.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:25 AM

So you're sayin' use Metagross till you can't use 'im no more with Life Orb, then pull a kamikaze? Not bad, since he's built to pull that off.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:26 AM

Sorry, I posted too late. what are we up to now?

Vainz June 27th, 2007 11:27 AM

First, let me start by saying that i have never met a person who likes Milotic more than Punishment. I put in Hypnosis, i know you really like that move (i have read those same two paragraphs in many differnet threads). I will put in Ludicolo if someone can give me a GOOD moveset for him. I still am not even sure about Ludicolo, but if you guys put faith in him, then we will try.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:34 AM

Ludicolo-Swift Swim
Energy Ball
Surf
Leech Seed
Rain Dance/Substitute

I don't really know if this is a great moveset, but I believe so. Rain Dance for speed boost, or Substitute for Staller tactics.

Then again, The last time I used him was in Emerald.

Punishment June 27th, 2007 11:36 AM

Milotic is my favorite Pokemon after all.

A moveset for Ludicolo could go like this. This is the stall/wall/annoyer set by the way.

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Calm | Rain Dish

-Rain Dance/Ice Beam/Surf/Energy Ball/Grass Knot/Giga Drain
-Leech Seed
-Toxic
-Substitute

The reason I chose Rain Dish over Swift Swim is because if it is to be an annoyer it doesnt need the speed. Rain Dance is something nice people overlook these days especially with all the Tyranitars running around with Sandstorms. A nice way to counter the effect and set up for Milotic.

Of course we can drop Rain Dance altogether for Ice Beam, Surf, Energy Ball, Giga Drain or Grass Knot.

Waffle-San June 27th, 2007 11:36 AM

I'm not a big fan of Ludicolo I'd rather have one of the R/S/E fossils, better move pool IMO. I say all three arn't "worthy"

Vainz June 27th, 2007 11:38 AM

I will replace choice band with Life orb. I dont like Leech Seed. Mabye a Toxic instead, but i really dont like Leech Seed. If he does use Toxic, then he needs to be more defensive.

Waffle-San June 27th, 2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punishment (Post 2563094)
Milotic is my favorite Pokemon after all.

A moveset for Ludicolo could go like this. This is the stall/wall/annoyer set by the way.

Ludicolo @ Leftovers
Calm | Rain Dish

-Rain Dance/Ice Beam/Surf/Energy Ball/Grass Knot/Giga Drain
-Leech Seed
-Toxic
-Substitute

The reason I chose Rain Dish over Swift Swim is because if it is to be an annoyer it doesnt need the speed. Rain Dance is something nice people overlook these days especially with all the Tyranitars running around with Sandstorms. A nice way to counter the effect and set up for Milotic.

Of course we can drop Rain Dance altogether for Ice Beam, Surf, Energy Ball, Giga Drain or Grass Knot.

i think you've shed some light on Ludicolo for me but I'm still not sold. I think we could find better annoyer/staller.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:43 AM

Leech Seed and Toxic tobether makes a pretty good combo, but if we are looking for another annoyer/staller, how about Crobat?

Punishment June 27th, 2007 11:44 AM

Leech Seed is a good recovery move in itself. It can drain up to 1/8 of your opponents. Think about the amount it would take off a Blissey. Not to mention Toxic is at its disposal.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punishment (Post 2563114)
Leech Seed is a good recovery move in itself. It can drain up to 1/8 of your opponents. Think about the amount it would take off a Blissey. Not to mention Toxic is at its disposal.

Those moves are useless on Blissey. Switching out canels both Leech Seed and Toxic, what with Natural Cure.

Punishment June 27th, 2007 11:54 AM

Whoops I guess I am taking this into a really situational scene. Well I'd do awesome damage against a Blissey if it was the last Pokemon. Hmm well there must be better annoyers out there.

sims796 June 27th, 2007 11:56 AM

I did say Crobat...I find him annoying when I battle him...

Punishment June 27th, 2007 12:00 PM

Yeah Crobat would do. It is part flying and really speedy. Not to mention annoying. I noticed this team lacks a naturally speedy Pokemon. We may need one of those an Crobat fits the description.

Vainz June 27th, 2007 12:43 PM

I will gladly agree to a Crobat. We do need a fast pokemon, and it is part flying. I also want more opinions on the Heracross idea. If you dont want Heracross, just post why. I know somone commented on it earlier. Here is the updated list:

[email protected] Life Orb
EV's: Attack-252, HP-252, Speed-6
Nature: Adamant
-Meteor Mash
-Thunder Punch
-Earthquake
-Explosion

[email protected] Choice Specs
EV's SpAttack-252, Speed-252, HP-6
Nature:
-Tri-Attack
-Dark Pulse or Nasty Plot
-Ice Beam
-Psychic

[email protected] Leftovers
EV's SpDef: 252, Def: 252, HP: 6
Nature: Calm
-Mean Look
-
-
-

[email protected] Leftovers
EV's SpDef: 252, ???
Nature: ???
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis

[email protected]
EV's Speed: 252, Attack: 252, HP: 6
Nature:??
-
-
-
-

I dont know the usual moves for Crobat so you will have to fill me in.

Espeon Master June 27th, 2007 12:51 PM

How about:

Crobat
Adamant Nature
-Cross Poison
-Brave Bird
-X-Scissor
-Steel Wing

Maybe? Or you could use Hypnosis and Roost

sims796 June 27th, 2007 12:59 PM

Crobat-Adamant
Posion Fang/Cross Poison
Haze
Confuse Ray/Mean Look
Aerial Ace/Mean Look

This set is both annoying and effective, in my opinion. Poison Fang for STAB and Toxic chance. Haze is truly annoying, and most importantly, annoying. Confuse Ray for more annoyance, Aerial Ace for additional attacking move. Either could be exchanged with Mean Look, to further annoy & cripple


EDIT: Espeon Master just reminded me, Cross Poison could work instead of Poison Fang, but it loses the chance to Toxic.

Vainz June 27th, 2007 1:26 PM

Ok updated moveset for Crobat. If you dont like it, just post the change and why. We still need a last pokemon. I like Heracross. I also think we could use a baton passer. Scizor?

[email protected] Life Orb
EV's: Attack-252, HP-252, Speed-6
Nature: Adamant
-Meteor Mash
-Thunder Punch
-Earthquake
-Explosion

[email protected] Choice Specs
EV's SpAttack-252, Speed-252, HP-6
Nature:
-Tri-Attack
-Dark Pulse or Nasty Plot
-Ice Beam
-Psychic

[email protected] Leftovers
EV's SpDef: 252, Def: 252, HP: 6
Nature: Calm
-Mean Look
-
-
-

[email protected] Leftovers
EV's SpDef: 252, ???
Nature: ???
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis

Crobat-Adamant
EV's Attack- 252, Speed-252, Hp-6
-Posion Fang
-Haze
-Mean Look
-Aerial Ace/Confuse Ray

sims796 June 27th, 2007 1:31 PM

Scizor to me is the ultimate baton passer. He could pass Swords Dance, Agility, and Iron Defence.


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