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Dark Azelf September 15th, 2007 3:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Chatot_Pirate (Post 2889663)
You guys should consider Tangrowth for a physichal wall with special moves. With Leech Seed and Stun Spore, he's pretty sweet.

You mean the one like i suggested on your thread ??



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Impish Nature
252 HP 252 DEF 6 ATT
- Power Whip
- Sleep powder
- Leech Seed
- Knock Off/ Stun Spore

this one ?

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 3:22 PM

I think we should use his special stat more, physichal isnt bad, but special has its merit. And Im thinking for a the best set would be

Tangrowth-Leftovers
252 Defense, 152 HP, rest Special Attacck
Bold-Leaf Guard
Stun Spore
Leech Seed
Giga Drain/Hidden Power Water,Ice
Sunny Day

Waffle-San September 15th, 2007 3:41 PM

i don't think it needs Giga Drain because of Leech Seed (not that two arn't bad) and I agree special Tangrowth is proababley the more rare but just as effective.

Dark Azelf September 15th, 2007 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Chatot_Pirate (Post 2889733)
I think we should use his special stat more, physichal isnt bad, but special has its merit. And Im thinking for a the best set would be

Tangrowth-Leftovers
252 Defense, 152 HP, rest Special Attacck
Bold-Leaf Guard
Stun Spore
Leech Seed
Giga Drain/Hidden Power Water,Ice
Sunny Day

it makes a better wall Imo if you max out the Hp and Def, special moves arnt really good on it because Power whip should be your grass move of choice (its preferred Special moves due to sandstreams 50% sp.def rise of certain pokemon), its bast Sp.att is higher than its Att, but Power Whip more than makes up for it with its 120 base power.

bring this in on a physical sweeper, and you get a free sleep powder or Knock Off/ Stun Spore, all three are crippling moves.

Leech Seed is to regain lost Hp.

Also 383 Max defense and 404 Max Hp is nothing to laugh at.

Waffle-San September 15th, 2007 3:45 PM

Yes but I don't think Sandstreams that much of an issue.

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 3:45 PM

If it comes occasionally, why wouldn't we switch out? To Donphan maybe.

Waffle-San September 15th, 2007 3:48 PM

For what Ice Shard? We, as someone pointed out, are lacking Ice and water moves. I believe Starmie or someone was in subject.

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 3:49 PM

True, the occasional sandstream would be countered more simply by a physical sweeper though, with the as Dark Azelf says 50% Sepical Defense increase. But I still say special tangrowth

Dark Azelf September 15th, 2007 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.May16 (Post 2889774)
Yes but I don't think Sandstreams that much of an issue.

for starters if your going to Sunny Day then Sandstream will ruin Leaf Guard.

and i believe we want to ko things that get a Sp.Def boost from sandstream as soon as possible without
much fuss.

EDIT: I thought someone said we should use Milotic > Starmie =S

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 3:55 PM

Is there anyway to make a mixed Tangrowth? I suppose, but I'm saying we could switch out for the occasional sandstream, besides this team needs more special attack.

Dark Azelf September 15th, 2007 4:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Chatot_Pirate (Post 2889835)
Is there anyway to make a mixed Tangrowth? I suppose, but I'm saying we could switch out for the occasional sandstream, besides this team needs more special attack.

That would be rather difficult to do, just because then the evs would become a problem, and then we lack a physical wall.

Yeah i agree with you we do need a special attacker.

Faceless* September 15th, 2007 4:03 PM

Tangrowth stops Taunt DDos if that Gyarados doesnt carry Ice Fang

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 4:03 PM

So far we have Jolteon, Donphan, Bronzong, Blissey. Now for Speical we could use Tangrowth, or Starmie, maybe Gardevoir to add more special defense, Togekiss. I like the idea of Togekiss.

Waffle-San September 15th, 2007 4:05 PM

Well first i was never planning Sunny Day, and Starmie's in question, so i believe was Porygon-Z as a boltbeamer. And Sims is just viewing, why won't he say anything?

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 4:07 PM

Maybe he went to the bathroom. And Porygon-Z or Starmie sounds good. Boltbeamer would add a good purpose. Paraflinching Togekiss could do some damage. I prefer Togekiss personally. So Paraflincher or Boltbeamer?

Waffle-San September 15th, 2007 4:40 PM

Honestly I'm not sold on any of them. I think we need something that hasn't been brought up. What about Kingdra, only weak to Dragon, can learn Ice Beam, Surf and other moves. And it has two useful abilities.

Hmm Kingdra (with sniper) and Togekiss as a double battle team. Ouch that could hurt, especially in the battle tower where Hax items are alound :evil laugh:

Angelic Diablo September 15th, 2007 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2887850)
So I say boltbeamer. Any good one.

Pory-Z
Starmie

Then you can have mock boltbeamers (using HP, or discharge/charge beam etc)

Also Kingdra with Swift Swim >>>> Kingdra with Sniper

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 7:10 PM

We do need a special sweeper and a physical wall. If we ARE going Bolt-Beamer, Starmie would be helpfull with Rapid Spin aid. Filling all positions including SRer and Rapid Spinner are important. So with Donphan, Starmie makes an excelent additon in my view, and it levels out types. Now a physical wall we could always go for something like Steelix would fit in well.

Angelic Diablo September 15th, 2007 7:21 PM

But why do we need to Rapid Spinners, Donphan would be more suited to Rapid Spin, because then we don't have to make Starmie more bulky, therefore making it a pure sweeper

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 7:31 PM

I forgot about Donphan learning Rapid Spin XD. I know Im smart. I still find Starmies max special stats kind of disturbing though. Its the same as Gastlys max special attack stat. And Abras is higher. So is Tangrowth, the list goes on. Porygon-Z is overall a little better now that I review.

Angelic Diablo September 15th, 2007 7:39 PM

Gengar could be nice then, a special sweeper and rapid spin blocker, not to mention he is immune to EQ as well.

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 7:40 PM

He is perfect if we aren;t looking at boltbeamers and just beamers. Gengar is one of my personal favorites.

Angelic Diablo September 15th, 2007 7:46 PM

Haven't we got HP Ice on Jolteon, and Ice Shard on Donphan... how big a threat are Dragons anyway

Eos Aduro September 15th, 2007 7:51 PM

If we can get a physichal wall with Ice Beam and decent Special Attack then we're home free. Like OMASTAR! He's my favorite, except everyone hates him sooooo, well I couldn't find any but Omastar is good!

Waffle-San September 15th, 2007 9:28 PM

Well i believe we're using Bronzong as a physical wall so we can stop that debate. i brought up Gengar, but it got overshadowed by the amazing Donphan.
I'm not sure if Swift Swim Kingdra is better for us. Who on our team is going to know Raind Dance? Or have that ability? No one. It's not really designated for special Sweeping and i'm not suggesting it, but defense is supposed to win championishs right. Finally we're in more need of water moves than anything else. Water hits almost everything, we need it.

And remember Chatot this isn't about favourites its about being the best. (or you'd here Dragonite, Feraligatr Steelix every post from me;))


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