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Punishment June 28th, 2007 10:44 AM

Well Salamence needs Flamethrower/Fire Blast even if he was a Physical Sweeper to take care of those annoying Steel types which resist Dragon attacks.

Fly is a horrid move no offense. Why isn't DD in this set? What about Earthquke to take care of those annoying Metagross'. Dragon Claw could work.

Vainz June 28th, 2007 10:50 AM

I put fly there because i usually see him with it. I think fly is bad too. Earthquake is fine, but if we have earthquake, i dont think we need a fire attack. I would like to keep him as physical as possible. You know, keep him in his element. How about this?

-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Dragon Dance
-Thuder Fang

Punishment June 28th, 2007 10:52 AM

Well Thunder Fang is fine with me but lets see what others think.

Salamence's base special isn't too shabby either.

Vainz June 28th, 2007 11:00 AM

Yeah, i know his special attack is pretty good, but with the right item and EV's, his attack would much better than his Sp Attack could be. We could make him a mixed sweeper. But if we did that then his EV's would have to be Max for Att and SpAtt. If we just focused on attack, then instead of Maxing his SpAtt, we could max his speed.

Avolition June 28th, 2007 11:46 AM

Um...*cough* Aerial Ace. Aerial Ace, in my opinion is the best flying attack. By the way, is this for Competitor?

Vainz June 28th, 2007 12:01 PM

We are making the best team possible as if we were competing, so we are following all the rules of competeing. Arial Ace is a good choice. Here is the moveset so far, if you want to put arial ace in, replace one of these moves.

Earthquake
Thunder Fang
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw

You are probably going to tell me to get rid of Thunder Fang. I put that in there so Salamence could take a chunk out of Milotic before we are Ice Beamed and Killed.

Avolition June 28th, 2007 12:02 PM

It would just be bad luck if Milotic was accidentally paralyzed though. Marvel Scale.

Punishment June 28th, 2007 12:03 PM

I dont think a Thunder Fang will do much to a Milotic. I've seen Milotic take a Thunderbolt from a Magenton and still have about 20%-25% health.

Yeah you definately do not want to set off Marvel Scale.

Avolition June 28th, 2007 12:04 PM

Speaking of which, how good is Magnezone? I've never tried it.

Punishment June 28th, 2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooty McWoot (Post 2566173)
Speaking of which, how good is Magnezone? I've never tried it.

It is known as the Skarmory killer. Other then that I've personally never used one. I've gone against one and my Milotic Sweep it away with Surfs.

Avolition June 28th, 2007 12:11 PM

Hmm..Skarm killer, huh? Sounds like a pretty good reputation to me. I'd probably use it on a tank-proof team. Along with Banette with Skill Swap to stop those Resters.

Vainz June 28th, 2007 12:32 PM

Ok. Ill get rid of Thunder Fang for Arial Ace. Here is his new move set

Earthquake
Arial Ace
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw

Avolition June 28th, 2007 12:39 PM

That looks good enough. What about ice types? If Salamence is the last Pokemon, you might just be screwed. Unless it already has some DDs up.

sims796 June 28th, 2007 12:59 PM

Ah, just woke up. Didn't we decide on Scizzor? He's a Metagross support, but he is also helping our Salamence, right?

Avolition June 28th, 2007 1:02 PM

What if we decide not to give Scizor Iron Head? And I was saying if Salamence was the last Pokemon out.

sims796 June 28th, 2007 1:06 PM

Oh, right. How 'bout Fire Fang? I always felt it funny, a Salamence with no fire move.

Oh and Vainz, it could be helpful if you reposted the team, preferably at the end of the page.

Punishment June 28th, 2007 1:10 PM

If we do need a Fire attack on Salamence wouldnt Flamethrowe be a better choice?

Flamethrower - 95 base damage 100% accuracy
Fire Fang - 65 base damage 95% accuracy

Avolition June 28th, 2007 1:13 PM

Flamethrower doesn't get anything from Dragon Dance though. After a DD, Fire Fang will be as strong as Flamethrower, if not stronger.

Punishment June 28th, 2007 1:17 PM

Fire Fang it is then only because we got DD in there.

sims796 June 28th, 2007 1:20 PM

That's what I figured. What will we lose for it?

Vainz June 28th, 2007 1:21 PM

Punishment thouhgt it was a good idea for us to have Ninjask instead of Scizor. I kept Scizor, but if any of you feel like this is a bad choice, just post why.

If everyone agrees to that Salamence, then that is his move set. If Salamence is our last pokemon, and we are going against a pokemon who knows ice moves, we are probably screwed. But you could go through are whole team and say, "well what if Milotic is our last pokemon, and we're up aganist a Electivire, or what if our last pokemon is the Scizor, and were up against a Magmortar?" Some pokemon dont have defense against their weaknessess. We cant help that. We will just have to rely on DD.

Here is the updated list:

[email protected] Life Orb
EV's: Attack-252, HP-252, Speed-6
Nature: Adamant
-Meteor Mash
-Thunder Punch
-Earthquake
-Explosion

[email protected] Choice Specs
EV's SpAttack-252, Speed-252, HP-6
Nature:
-Tri-Attack
-Dark Pulse or Nasty Plot
-Ice Beam
-Psychic

[email protected] Leftovers
EV's SpDef: 252, Def: 252, HP: 6
Nature: Calm
-Mean Look
-Curse
-Rest
-Shadow Punch

[email protected] Leftovers
EV's SpDef: 252, ???
Nature: ???
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Recover
-Hypnosis

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EV's Attack Or HP- 252, Speed-252, Hp-6
Nature:
-Baton Pass
-Sword Dance
-Iron Defense/ Agility
-X-Scissor/ Night Slash/ Iron Head

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EV's Attack-252, Speed-252, ??
Nature:
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake
-Arial Ace
-Dragon Dance

If you want to change anything or add something we dont have just post.

sims796 June 28th, 2007 1:23 PM

Meh, your right. We can't win em all.

Avolition June 28th, 2007 1:25 PM

What's the best thing to take off Salamence for Fire Fang though? I can't pick.

Vainz June 28th, 2007 1:26 PM

Sry guys. I finished typing all that stuff when you made all those posts. What will we get rid of for fire fang then?

Avolition June 28th, 2007 1:31 PM

I guess I say Earthquake. Dragon Claw and Aerial Ace get STAB. After a few DDs, Dragon Claw might do something to rock types.


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