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Avolition July 5th, 2007 11:12 AM

Oh yeah, Skarmory, duh. *Smacks myself in the head*

Ichida July 5th, 2007 1:37 PM

I pick my teams based on "three physical-oriented Pokemon, three special." Usually sweepers. :P

Pogiforce-14 July 6th, 2007 5:03 AM

I have been told the new pokemon from DP have made the meta primarily sweeper based. stalling out doesn't work so well anymore.

Voltagenic July 8th, 2007 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooty McWoot (Post 2586361)
Anyway, Ichida has another win on his record, not a surprise.

What, are you saying I suck at Pokemonz?

I'll have you know it was a pretty close battle.

Avolition July 8th, 2007 10:33 AM

Dude, I'm not saying you're bad, I'm saying Ichida's good. Why do you always have to overreact to everything everyone says?

paratroopa July 8th, 2007 2:07 PM

The most commonly abused uber I see is Giratina. If you see one, you've instantly won because these people don't know what they're doing to put it simply.

Avolition July 8th, 2007 2:15 PM

Esoecially if the Giratina is just caught and has no new moves. Staraptor or any Normal/Flying type will own it.

paratroopa July 8th, 2007 2:24 PM

Yeah, too many times have people using Giratinas tried to use Shadow Force on my Tyranitar. Makes me pity these people.

Avolition July 8th, 2007 2:27 PM

What about people trying to use Thunderbolt on Swampert? That's worse. I pity the fool. Sorry, had to say that.

paratroopa July 8th, 2007 2:31 PM

Another good one is Earthquake on Charizard. Come on, aren't the wings a give away?

Avolition July 8th, 2007 2:39 PM

Yeah, xD. But it happened to me more with Flygon. Noobs love to use Earthquake on Flygon, and go, "But I thought it wasn't a flying type." xD

paratroopa July 8th, 2007 2:44 PM

So satisfying imagining people's smug look being wiped off their face when you kill their ubers using skill as apposed to stupidity.

Avolition July 8th, 2007 2:45 PM

xD I beat an uber team once with an underused team. I lol'd when that happened.

paratroopa July 8th, 2007 2:48 PM

My team isn't particularly overused, as far as I've seen but its a good team nonetheless.

Ichida July 8th, 2007 3:04 PM

The funniest thing of all is when you see said Giratina users try to use Shadow Force, then you switch in something Normal-element and watch them have wasted two turns before you kill the damn dragon. I love to just switch into Porygon-Z and then Ice Beam the Giratina to death.

paratroopa July 8th, 2007 3:10 PM

And you're the guy that help me mould the majority of my team lol.

Another one that is overused is Mewtwo.

Laa July 8th, 2007 8:24 PM

I have no idea if either of my teams is overused...nor do I really care :D

What is so special about giritana?

Ichida July 8th, 2007 8:41 PM

Because the idea of a ghostly dragon excites people, and Shadow Force can't be blocked by Protect or Detect. It can however be walled by Normal types, which is bloody hilarious to pull off. :P

But seriously, its stats are pretty defensive for a legendary...

Laa July 8th, 2007 8:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2603726)
But seriously, its stats are pretty defensive for a legendary...

Lame...that's all I have to say...

~Mithos~ July 9th, 2007 3:36 AM

I have a good team except against most fire types or mewtwo

I got: weavile, sceptile, lucario, froslass, luxray, typhlosion

focusblast/most fire attacks will take out my team easily =/

so I got weavile surf, sceptile eartquake (takes out its team partner though =/), lucario nothing, froslass water pulse

(anyone know how to get weavile ice punch? it level 100 EV trained I don't wanna train it again =[ )

Legacy July 9th, 2007 6:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mithos kid (Post 2604413)
I have a good team except against most fire types or mewtwo

I got: weavile, sceptile, lucario, froslass, luxray, typhlosion

focusblast/most fire attacks will take out my team easily =/

so I got weavile surf, sceptile eartquake (takes out its team partner though =/), lucario nothing, froslass water pulse

(anyone know how to get weavile ice punch? it level 100 EV trained I don't wanna train it again =[ )

IIRC..

Breed a male Hitmonchan that knows Ice Punch with a female Buneary/Lopunny. Then the Buneary eggs will have Ice Punch. Then breed a male Buneary with a female Sneasel.

Ichida July 9th, 2007 11:38 AM

Get rid of Weavile's Surf and Sceptile's Earthquake. Weavile is a physical sweeper and Sceptile is a special sweeper. Those moves won't do any decent damage.

Avolition July 9th, 2007 11:45 AM

Wow. Just wow. Weavile learns Surf? That makes all of no sense.

~Mithos~ July 9th, 2007 1:49 PM

weavile's surf never does anything

what should I replace surf and earthquake with (I was trying to counter fire types)

also I think i'm just going to completely retrain the team for better IV's and give them to my little brother...

EDIT: EV's

Ichida July 9th, 2007 2:02 PM

Weavile: Ice Punch, Night Slash, Aerial Ace, Brick Break

Sceptile: Energy Ball, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast, Synthesis.

~Mithos~ July 9th, 2007 2:14 PM

ok because currently their moves stink

sceptile: leaf blade, leaf storm, detect (-_-), and earthquake

weavile: ice beam (-_-), surf (-_-), night slash (got this one), giga impact (runnin out of tm's here)

also heres stats:

sceptile
295 hp
198 def
230 sp. atk
184 sp. def
283 speed

weavile
hp. 266
attack 297 (EV trained)
def 183
sp. attack 117 -_-
sp. def 211
speed 303 (EV trained)

both at level 100 should I just scrap them and start over?

weavile can't get ice punch btw

Ichida July 9th, 2007 2:31 PM

Neither of them look like they were EV trained. Re-breed and try it again.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 8:28 AM

well most of my pokemon are like that how do I know when they are EV trained enough?

Avolition July 10th, 2007 8:30 AM

You get the effort ribbon when you finish ev training. Otherwise, you wouldnt know.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 8:49 AM

but what if your EV training in two or more stats?

Ichida July 10th, 2007 8:54 AM

You have to, since the cap for all EVs is 510 but each stat can only max out at 255 EVs, so for full effect you need to train at least two stats.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 9:01 AM

I don't understand, do you mean a stat can reach 510, but killing pokemon to get the 1,2,3,4 count where 4 equals 1, you can only get 255 of those?

Avolition July 10th, 2007 9:14 AM

I don't really count. I just battle the right Pokemon over and over until I get the effort ribbon. I don't feel like counting.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 9:20 AM

I don't count either but is that where the 252 limit comes from?

Ichida July 10th, 2007 10:14 AM

God freaking damn, people... just read Serebii's info on EVs, carefully.

Charizard_Man July 10th, 2007 11:30 AM

Yeah, Ichida's right. Serebii has all that information.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 12:04 PM

I read it twice I still don't understand the difference between the 510/252 thing

Ichida July 10th, 2007 1:32 PM

*sigh* Did I not say to read it, carefully? I swear, people arne't even trying...

510 is the max EVs any Pokemon can attain in total, 255 is how many EVs any one particular stat can have before it stops counting. Most people max out the EVs for two stats. 255 x2 = 510, etc etc.

Avolition July 10th, 2007 1:52 PM

I get the 510 and 255 thing, but I'm just saying, I don't waste time counting. I just battle the right Pokemon until I can get the Effort ribbon.

Ichida July 10th, 2007 1:59 PM

Then you'll never get it, since EVs for one stat stop at the halfway point to the Effort Ribbon.

Avolition July 10th, 2007 2:06 PM

I know, I'm just fighting Pokemon in the two stats I want, like Gallade in Attack and Speed.

Ichida July 10th, 2007 2:10 PM

So I assume you're using the encounter hack, since Gallade can't be found in the wild? :P Ah well, I'm guilty of doing the same thing to EV train up my Pokemon. The Pokemon I'm using are still legit! :P

Avolition July 10th, 2007 2:12 PM

No, I mean I'm training my Gallade xD I just fight random Kricketunes and Bibarels and Pikachus and stuff.

Ichida July 10th, 2007 2:19 PM

Each one gives different amounts of EVsin different stats, you know, so you could be adding it up all wrong.

Avolition July 10th, 2007 2:22 PM

No, Kricketunes and Bibarels are 2 evs in attack each, and Pikachus are 2 evs in speed. I just battle a billion of them, and both will be maxed soon.

~Mithos~ July 10th, 2007 5:02 PM

ok thanks guys (btw I use charizards for sp. attack points XD)

although I only killed like 5 of them wow i'm stupid.

Jack 7 August 2nd, 2007 9:23 PM

Post deleted by me because I offended multiple people with it.


I meant the quiz to be stupid and easy to mock people that overuse ubers.
Sorry if I offend you Wooty McWoot. I was trying to go along with the theme of mocking uber users.

I didn't actually mean for it to be answered, I was trying to mock uber noobs.

And even still some people didn't get the questions right,but continue to mock me...oh well thats life for you. My life anyway.

The dawn Witch Lucia August 2nd, 2007 9:37 PM

1.If you choose a fire type as your starter should you try and get a water type to fight the rock type gym...or is there another method? - Another method.

*2.I have a palkia and kyorge and I use them for double battles,I thought my palkia thunder and 3 water type moves,why? STAB powers

3.Why would I want a spiritomb with a jolly,naive,hasty,or timid nature as opposed to the rest? - Because of the + and -

4.If i wanted to EV train my pokemon what two things would it be helpful for my pokemon to have? - Pokerus and the power items/Macho brace and pokerus

*6.What two types should Rayquaza avoid? - Ice and dragon

7.What makes the UNOWN more powerful than they seem? - Secret power

8.What is the ONLY pokemon that can learn every move? - Ditto/mew

9.If i teach my pokemon solarbeam,what other move should i teach it?- Sunny day

10.I'm having a double battle one of my pokemon is a fire type,
both of my opponents pokemon are water types,MY other pokemon is a togetic with a heal restoring item attached. I chose this pokemon because of a move it can learn,what is it? - Wish

Ichida August 2nd, 2007 10:10 PM

1. Teach them Fighting or Ground-element moves to battle Rocks. Most Fire-elements can.

2. Duh. Kyogre's Rain Dance perfects Thunder's accuracy and boosts the power of Water-element moves. Palkia should only know one Water-element attack though; any good sweeper needs an elemental variety.

3. Naive or Hasty are not good natures to use for anyone. Jolly or Timid are useless natures since Spiritomb's speed is abysmal, even at its max. Without Trick Room, it'll never outrun anything.

4. Pokerus, Macho Brace, and/or any of the Power hold items.

5. Why's there no #5?

6. Ice and Dragon. Simple elemental tables.

7. Even with Hidden Power, their stats are still terrible and they define the lack of versatility.

8. Smeargle.

9. Sunny Day.

10. Don't use Togetic. Evolve it first. Grass Knot.

Avolition August 2nd, 2007 11:05 PM

1. Another method.

2. Kyogre has drizzle, which makes it rain until someone else uses a weather attack. Rain makes Thunder hit all the time, and water moves get stronger. Its still not a god idea to have 3 water moves.

3. They all raise speed.

4. A macho brace/pokerus/power item and a good nature.

6. Ice and rock. Rayquaza is a dragon itself, and it learns ice beam. It should be able to handle other dragons.

7. Nothing.

8. Smeargle.

9. Sunny Day, because Sunny Day makes Solarbeam hit in one turn instead of having to charge up for a turn.

10. I don't know. I don't use Togetic because it sucks. Does that make me not a skillful trainer? >_>

Also, I beat two overused teams 5-0 with my neverused team today. I feel pretty accomplished, knowing I beat another couple of noobs' faces in.

~Mithos~ August 3rd, 2007 4:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jake 7
To all you people that say "I'm equal to to you",well then,try battling the rest of these trainers without your ubers, I will admit that I use a few ubers,but unlike you uber n00bs I know how to use them correctly. In contrast,most of you uber relying trainers use nothing but brute force.

Hear is a little test to see if you are a skilled,uber or not.
(questions with "*'s are uber related)
1.If you choose a fire type as your starter should you try and get a water type to fight the rock type gym...or is there another method?

*2.I have a palkia and kyorge and I use them for double battles,I thought my palkia thunder and 3 water type moves,why?

3.Why would I want a spiritomb with a jolly,naive,hasty,or timid nature as opposed to the rest?

4.If i wanted to EV train my pokemon what two things would it be helpful for my pokemon to have?

*6.What two types should Rayquaza avoid?

7.What makes the UNOWN more powerful than they seem?

8.What is the ONLY pokemon that can learn every move?

9.If i teach my pokemon solarbeam,what other move should i teach it?

10.I'm having a double battle,one of my pokemon is a fire type,
both of my opponents pokemon are water types,MY other pokemon is a togetic with a health restoring item attached. I chose this pokemon because of a move it can learn,what move is it?

If you can't answer ALL of these questions, then you are not a skillful trainer.

1. if you picked a fire type get mach punch for a super effective and maybe STAB attack.

2. because of kyogers drizzel which boosts water moves and ups the accuracy of thunder type attacks.

3. because those natures up its speed while lowering something else.

4. it would be helpful to have PKRS and machobrace/power items

5. you forgot five...

6. ice and dragon types.

7. hidden power?

8. mew and almost all the moves smeargle.

9. sunny day, although it's not nessisary.

10. it's definately grass knot why would you use a togetic instead of a togekiss.


on a side note- go somewhere else and to talk junk about random people you don't know weither we're good trainers or not.
maybe if you had more then 4 posts i'd listen to you.

Cornicapus August 4th, 2007 7:24 PM

I agree on banning ledgendary ubers but not the weak ledgendaries, I dont use my Ledgends in Wi-Fi, I just use em to train up my other pokemon.

Black Ice August 5th, 2007 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithos Kid (Post 2702902)
1. if you picked a fire type get mach punch for a super effective and maybe STAB attack.

First gym's Pokemon have high defenses. Just because it's supereffective doesn't mean that it'll faint the Pokemon in one hit.

2. because of kyogers drizzel which boosts water moves and ups the accuracy of thunder type attacks.

You shouldn't give Palkia more than 1 water-type move, no matter what. ;)

3. because those natures up its speed while lowering something else.

Spiritomb doesn't want them. If he wants to be a sweeper, then Modest is better.

4. it would be helpful to have PKRS and machobrace/power items

Decent IVs, correct nature, Pokerus, and Power items.

5. you forgot five...

6. ice and dragon types.

It doesn't have to avoid it. It's weak to Ice, Dragon and Rock.

7. hidden power?

Unown is still useless no matter what.

8. mew and almost all the moves smeargle.

Mew can't learn every move, lol :D

9. sunny day, although it's not nessisary.

Why not?

10. it's definately grass knot why would you use a togetic instead of a togekiss.

Depends on what Pokemon it is. =/

on a side note- go somewhere else and to talk junk about random people you don't know weither we're good trainers or not.
maybe if you had more then 4 posts i'd listen to you.

Postcount isn't everything ;)

That test was stupid.

~Mithos~ August 6th, 2007 4:07 AM

i'm not critizing you because of your post count, you must be new here (notes the low post count) and you probably don't even know who or what your even talking to.

and your right your test was stupid.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mithos Kid/Black Dragon
. if you picked a fire type get mach punch for a super effective and maybe STAB attack.

First gym's Pokemon have high defenses. Just because it's supereffective doesn't mean that it'll faint the Pokemon in one hit.
so, using fighting moves on ground is stupid now? your wrong.

2. because of kyogers drizzel which boosts water moves and ups the accuracy of thunder type attacks.

You shouldn't give Palkia more than 1 water-type move, no matter what.

you idiot you asked me why, you didn't ask me if it was a good choice or not.


3. because those natures up its speed while lowering something else.

Spiritomb doesn't want them. If he wants to be a sweeper, then Modest is better.

fine then, don't pay attention to spiritomb

4. it would be helpful to have PKRS and machobrace/power items

Decent IVs, correct nature, Pokerus, and Power items.

once again, you said two things smarty

5. you forgot five...

6. ice and dragon types.

It doesn't have to avoid it. It's weak to Ice, Dragon and Rock.

you asked what it has to avoid! your questions are stupid, you worded them wrong for the comments your giving me back.


7. hidden power?

Unown is still useless no matter what.

you asked what was useful? what should I say nothing?

8. mew and almost all the moves smeargle.

Mew can't learn every move, lol

every TM and metranome? idiot.

9. sunny day, although it's not nessisary.

Why not?

because using sunny day then solarbeam, unless you are using solar beam over and over again (which means your opponents team isn't ballanced) takes the same ammount of turns.

10. it's definately grass knot why would you use a togetic instead of a togekiss.

Depends on what Pokemon it is. =/

so that is still right.

on a side note- go somewhere else and to talk junk about random people you don't know weither we're good trainers or not.
maybe if you had more then 4 posts i'd listen to you.


Black Ice August 6th, 2007 8:43 AM

I didn't make the test. The way I read it made it seem like you think I did.

"you idiot you asked me why, you didn't ask me if it was a good choice or not."

1) I thought he used Rock-types :(
2) He asked why you should use 3 Water-type moves, and you shouldn't.
3) No comment
4) But there are 4 things you should have before EV-training. :)
6) Once again, I didn't make this test. >>
7) Once again, I didn't make this test. >>
8) I thought 'learn' was permanent.
9) You don't have to use Solarbeam over and over again. After you use Sunny Day, you can still use other moves. If you charge your Solarbeam, then the opponent can just switch into something like Blissey and wall it and recover from it.
10) Second type? Weight?

~Mithos~ August 6th, 2007 8:47 AM

oh i'm sorry and i'm not sorry, if you didn't make the test you can't critize me for it. geez. for like 5 of those the first time you called me stupid then the second time you said you didn't make the thread, either way it's not your job to judge a test somebody else told me to take.

Black Ice August 6th, 2007 9:12 AM

I never called you stupid.

~Mithos~ August 6th, 2007 9:23 AM

i know this sounds dumb, but it was kind of implied.

EDIT: when you find a way around every answer I give, you obviously don't like me for some reasons unknown.

Black Ice August 6th, 2007 9:40 AM

I only used your post because yours was the only one on this page and I couldn't find the original post with the test somehow.

And I'm just sayin' what I think. We both obviously don't think alike.

I think we're spamming. D= Let's stop here.

chibi August 6th, 2007 9:52 AM

I respect the kids who get killed 3:0 to me with normal pokemon more than the kids who can beat me with Dialga, Palkia and Heatran... hate them.

Faceless* August 6th, 2007 1:09 PM

Why not let the n00bs use ubers against you? Beat the lazy kids, make them cry even more...

Reminds me of the battle when a Giratina used Slash on my Gengar, and when a Darkrai (go figure.. :\) used Quick Attack on my Rhyperior XD

Alex_ August 6th, 2007 1:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nameless111 (Post 2718908)
Why not let the n00bs use ubers against you? Beat the lazy kids, make them cry even more...

Reminds me of the battle when a Giratina used Slash on my Gengar, and when a Darkrai (go figure.. :\) used Quick Attack on my Rhyperior XD

They are called ubers for a reason. They're (some at least) are hard/annoying to beat, even with a good non-uber team. It makes me so mad when I find a team full of ubers. If I get Spacial Rend'd again I will pull my hair out.

Jack 7 August 16th, 2007 8:58 PM

the last questions awnser :

Togitic can learn a move called follow me,which makes opponent pokemon in battle attack the only the user user,therefore my fire pokemon won't be hit by water type moves,don't tell ME that I don't know what I'm talking about. The test was meant to be stupid because nubers are stupid and you shouldn't have a problem with it unless you are a nuber. It was a joke. It was supposed to be stupid.

The test was meant to make uber users look like retards.

The point that I was trying to make was uber reliers are stupid.
Not to mention ,I was basing it of my experiences,Ive used nothing but fire type starters for every pokemon game and I don't seem to have a problem with the rock type gyms.

Also I did have an account that had a much higher post count but it must have been deleted because it was inactive for a year or so.

Ps. Don't mock my post count or knowledge if you can't even get my name right: jake 7 WTF?

El Diabeetus August 16th, 2007 11:31 PM

Last Night I fought a Japanese dude who's name was;

Myuutsu- (Mewtwo) In Katakana

He had 2 Mewtwo's, 2 Kyogre's, 1 Rayquaza and 1 Palkia.

I got the crap beat out of because he used both mewtwo's out.

Also my whole team is Ev trained.

Rebellious Treecko August 16th, 2007 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu (Post 2585380)
You guys know what? People use ubers for a reason.

Not everyone has the patience to EV train or buy TM's and crap.

Not everyone feels like ogling at stats and natures.

Some people want to play the game.

Not everyone bought the game to do a lot of complicated math and stuff.

So stop saying whoever uses ubers are n00bs.

They're as much of pokemon players as any of you.

^This post wins the thread.

If you people hate ubers so much, then why don't you go over to GameFreak and tell them to wipe every single legendary out of existance?
They're not the same thing.

I for one EV train my Pokemon, AND I have lots of legends in my party.

Ichida August 17th, 2007 6:32 PM

Because legendaries are trophies to make weak kids think they've got skills. Their only real practical use is exploding the Elite Four so you can start Pal Parking.

sims796 August 17th, 2007 7:03 PM

I can't agree commpletley with that statement made by Ichida. I'm not wasting my time finding an uber just so it could sit in my box. However, we can both agree that if you need an uber to make a team, thats pretty damn sad. Ubers belong on UBER teams. Not standard teams. Only a rookie needs to rely on ubers, just like rookies rely on OHKO moves. A kid is proud that his Kyorge KOed my Gyarados with Sheer Cold? Absolutely pathetic.

Ichida August 17th, 2007 9:32 PM

People who engage in uber battles are like alcoholics who drink together. They think that just because they both do it, it's publicly acceptable, even though the smart people know they're just deluding themselves. It's like a fight in Dragon Ball. It's explosive, doesn't require effort to weave together, and it pisses nearby people off.

sims796 August 17th, 2007 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2769432)
People who engage in uber battles are like alcoholics who drink together. They think that just because they both do it, it's publicly acceptable, even though the smart people know they're just deluding themselves. It's like a fight in Dragon Ball. It's explosive, doesn't require effort to weave together, and it pisses nearby people off.

That was hilarious, and wins the award for best quick, off-the-top response for the month. If they wanna have an uber battle, let them. I could care less. I don't partake. Ubers, well, I don't bother with. But we can both agree that if you need one to make a sucsessful team, you should put down your poke balls.

Smarties-chan August 18th, 2007 12:44 AM

I agree with Eternal Smasher and Yoshimitsu. I myself am a competitive battler and wouldn't even think about using Ubers outside their own metagame. Let's not forget that most Pokémon players aren't competitive battlers and thus don't know about tiers or EVs, Natures and IVs for that matter. As long as you don't run into a team of EV trained Ubers a good EV trained team should be able to take care of them. Un-EV trained Ubers are a piece of cake for any good player so I don't see why it's such a big deal if some random clueless people use Ubers; at least they'll be able to put up some kind of a fight that way. And no, I don't own PBR (it isn't even out in Europe and I don't have a Wii to begin with) myself, but I've seen enough videos to know that most of these n00bs have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2768680)
Because legendaries are trophies to make weak kids think they've got skills. Their only real practical use is exploding the Elite Four so you can start Pal Parking.

Legendaries =/= Ubers. Normal legendaries (such as Entei, Articuno, Zapdos, Mesprit etc.) require as much skill as any normal Pokémon and Uber battles are a hell of a lot of fun as long as you stick to their own metagame.

Pokémaster7293 August 18th, 2007 5:47 AM

Well, for one thing in this topic people were talking about, you know when your stat is maxed out, when one of those vitamins won't work, and you haven't already used 10 of 'em. That's what I do. I save before hand. If it works, I reset.

As for the other thing, I really didn't EV train until recently (EVing for Speed now, Hasty Pichu), and I stopped using Ubers a good time ago.

I don't have PBR, or even a Wii myself, but hey, when that time comes, I won't need ubers, because I've got my OWN skill.

Yes, Yes, I know, 99% of this post is just repeating info... but hey, it's my two cents.

sims796 August 18th, 2007 8:23 AM

2 thigns. First, Ichida, can I sticky that response? And I agree with Smarties. As the title says, Nubers are still noobs, with or without ubers.

Ichida August 18th, 2007 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2771143)
Ichida, can I sticky that response?

Er, sure, XDD. You mean put it in your sig like I did? :P

sims796 August 19th, 2007 10:55 AM

To me, uber battles, OU/UU battles, are like regular, outside fights. Think of it like this:

UU:Knives
OU:Guns
Uber:Tanks

A OU fight is like a gun fight. Fierce & Fun. UU vs OU are like knives vs gun. Seemingly one-sided, but do-able, with skill. But no matter how much skill you have, a well trained OU/UU ain't beating a well trained uber, like Guns/Knives vs Tanks. Exect for noob ubers, which are always fun to watch lose.

Uber battles are fun, but ubers are so strong, they have no place outside of their own meta-game. Like Smarties-kun said.

FarmerNobir August 30th, 2007 6:33 PM

Ubers cant touch me
 
No matter how much EVs and nature compatibility a trainer has Kygore can't beat my Miltoc in a beauty contest.

Melody August 30th, 2007 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2777174)
To me, uber battles, OU/UU battles, are like regular, outside fights. Think of it like this:

UU:Knives
OU:Guns
Uber:Tanks

A OU fight is like a gun fight. Fierce & Fun. UU vs OU are like knives vs gun. Seemingly one-sided, but do-able, with skill. But no matter how much skill you have, a well trained OU/UU ain't beating a well trained uber, like Guns/Knives vs Tanks. Exect for noob ubers, which are always fun to watch lose.

Uber battles are fun, but ubers are so strong, they have no place outside of their own meta-game. Like Smarties-kun said.

Well, I disagree strongly. Yes, noob ubers are easy and regular ubers are a pain but I've taken down ubers with OUs before. Heh. My team is quite a balanced one. It's got 4 OU and 2 Ubers to keep from getting my rump kicked by nubers lol

sims796 August 31st, 2007 4:30 AM

You mean on random PBR fights, right? In a real fight, ubers are honestly just too strong. And not just any uber either. I mean a fully EV trained, good natured, proper moveset, uber might indeed take 1/2 a team or more to take out.

Luminous_Reaver September 3rd, 2007 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu (Post 2585380)
You guys know what? People use ubers for a reason.
Not everyone has the patience to EV train or buy TM's and crap.
Not everyone feels like ogling at stats and natures.
Some people want to play the game.
Not everyone bought the game to do a lot of complicated math and stuff.
So stop saying whoever uses ubers are n00bs.
They're as much of pokemon players as any of you.

They're just lazier players who deserve less respect.

sims796 September 3rd, 2007 6:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminous_Reaver (Post 2844385)
They're just lazier players who deserve less respect.

Not at all. When you buy the game for them, then you can call thhegm lazy.

Silent Storm September 3rd, 2007 8:32 AM

Quote:

You guys know what? People use ubers for a reason.
Not everyone has the patience to EV train or buy TM's and crap.
Not everyone feels like ogling at stats and natures.
Some people want to play the game.
Not everyone bought the game to do a lot of complicated math and stuff.
So stop saying whoever uses ubers are n00bs.
They're as much of pokemon players as any of you.
Finally, someone says it.

IMO, the attitude I am seeing utterly sickens me, why should people play the game how others like.

Its their game, they can use what they want, and if they enjoy using them I am in no position to insult them for it, insulting them for that that is very childish and retarded at the same time.

sims796 September 3rd, 2007 8:37 AM

True, true. I would rather call them casual players.

However, those who don't care on EV's & the like, and then claim to be better than me, I will be quick to insult. I mean, they use ubers, then gloats about how much better they are compared to me. Thats when I gotta knock em down a peg.

Ichida September 3rd, 2007 9:16 AM

It's called a f*cking competitive standard, people. Why is it so bloody hard for you to understand that this is how we compete in this game. We don't use ubers (see signature quote) because they are statistically unbalanced. And to all of you who know what EV training is and still choose not to, don't even think about challenging someone competent, because it results in your total defeat and a string of people calling you lazy, which you obviously are for ignoring the advanced training methods. I am sick and tired of how slothful, stubborn, and inadaptive people like you are. And before you pull out the "it's a game, we play it our way" excuse once again, let me offer my response to that right now: If you want to play with your own methods, I've no problem with that, as long as you don't take it against players like me who actually care about maintaining a status quo in the online Pokemon battling circuit.

In summation, either learn to play like the rest of the competent competitors, or stay the f*ck away from us.

sims796 September 3rd, 2007 9:40 AM

Are you talking to me? Well, I won't argue, but what your saying will fall on deaf ears. Sure, there is standard. Now try explaining that to everyone else who bought the game. Tell Game Freak & Nintendo that there is a standard in the game that must be met that we gamers had made up, and that it shouldn't be E for everyone, but SP for standard players. Tell all pokemon owners that they must play by our standard rules, and despite the fact that they bought PBR and have the wifi to use it, they can't play unless they play by our rules. I play by standard rules, sure, but I am not superior to call people names for not playing a game marketed towards kids the elite way. Before xXscytherXx comes, I mean the game was made for kids, hence why there are always children on the commercials. Of course, it is deep enough for adults, but simple enough for kids.

lchida, your starting to lose your temper. Calm down to sound reasonable.

Silent Storm September 3rd, 2007 10:29 AM

If it was directed at me, I won't respond, seeing as I have been in these kind of debates and I know how they end, I will probably get banned so there is no point.

But if so, you are mistaken, I don't use ubers, mainly cause they don't appeal to me, also because their design is unoriginal, but I am not quick to overreact over small things in games, especially games aimed at children, so I am going to leave this topic because I am positive I will get attacked and flamed, and maybe banned for my counter responses.

sims796 September 3rd, 2007 10:32 AM

That was a VERY wise response. And I could not agree more. I can't get too hyped, because, like it or not, the main target for this game are kids. We are just into it, which is ok.

EDIT:THIS IS DIRECTED TOWARDS SILENT STORM.

Forci Stikane September 3rd, 2007 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smarties-chan (Post 2769792)
I agree with Eternal Smasher and Yoshimitsu. I myself am a competitive battler and wouldn't even think about using Ubers outside their own metagame. Let's not forget that most Pokémon players aren't competitive battlers and thus don't know about tiers or EVs, Natures and IVs for that matter. As long as you don't run into a team of EV trained Ubers a good EV trained team should be able to take care of them. Un-EV trained Ubers are a piece of cake for any good player so I don't see why it's such a big deal if some random clueless people use Ubers; at least they'll be able to put up some kind of a fight that way. And no, I don't own PBR (it isn't even out in Europe and I don't have a Wii to begin with) myself, but I've seen enough videos to know that most of these n00bs have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

Legendaries =/= Ubers. Normal legendaries (such as Entei, Articuno, Zapdos, Mesprit etc.) require as much skill as any normal Pokémon and Uber battles are a hell of a lot of fun as long as you stick to their own metagame.

^This is probably the most intelligent post made in this thread as of yet. If a little kid wants to use a Giratina or Deoxys online, let them. How fair is it to use something against a little kid that he/she has probably never heard of because they're so young? Sure, if they don't know how to battle, they'll probably lose, and maybe even learn from their loss if they're lucky. A fair part of Pokemon battles is trail-&-error, losing battles and learning from one's mistakes. After all, what can you learn from winning all the time?

I'm also surprised that the other point was never brought up until here: the thread was made to complain about fresh, untrained Ubers from "noobs", but what about nature-picked, EV-trained ubers from actual competitive players? Now you no longer have the "he's too lazy" excuse because actual training HAS been used. I personally don't think people should be looked down upon for using ubers when they actually trained them competitively...as long as they don't go overboard and it isn't sprung on them from out of nowhere in a FC match.

pokeguy12 September 3rd, 2007 10:49 AM

actually legendaries aren't THAT darn weak my lv100 azelf may only have 337 sp atk and 303 speed but with 1-2 nasty plots it can exceed alakazams 380+ sp atk. add that to an expert belt and it does a LOT of damage. i normally don't really use legendaries although now i will point out why some aren't ubers:

I am talking about Non-Uber Legendaries, of course. I always see people banning these, even though they have around the same bases as the OU pokemon. Let's take a look at those.

Ubers are pokemon who's base stat totals exceed 600, with a few exeptions.

BST= Base Stats.

Zapdos BST: 580
Articuno BST: 580
Moltres BST: 580

Entei BST: 580
Raikou BST: 580
Suicune BST: 580

Regirock BST: 580
Regice BST: 580
Registeel BST: 580

Mesprit BST: 580
Azelf BST: 580
Uxie BST: 580

So far, NONE of these guys have exceeded or even got to 600, so they are perfectly safe to use in the OU Tier.
Now for some more:

Cresselia BST: 600
Heatran BST: 600

These may look pretty high, but none are over 600. Besides, look who else has 600 BST.

Garchomp: 600
Dragonite: 600
Tyranitar: 600
Metagross: 600
Salamence: 600

That's right, some of the most overused pokemon out there today have the same BST totals of the previous 3 legendaries and have higher ones than the trios. So, if you ban legendaries you may as well ban Chomp/Nite/T-Tar/Gross/Mence, and if you don't, you're a hypocrite.
Furthermore, if legendaries aren't fair, then why are they allowed in the Battle Tower? The Battle Tower will let the Non-Uber legendaries in because they don't have the stats to be banned.

If you think you don't need to train legendaries for them to be good, then read:

Azelf Modest and untrained reaches 314 Sp. Attack and 266 Speed.

Alakazam Modest EV trained reaches 405 Sp. Attack and 339 Speed.

Now Azelf Modest and EV trained reaches 383 Sp. Attack and 329 Speed.

That means it still doesn't top Alakazam.
(Yes, Azelf may have a superior Attack, as well as some other stats upgraded, but D/P's Metagame is all about speed, hence people always choosing Jolly/Timid over Adamant/Modest. When there are things such as Weavile, Scarfcross, Aerodactyl, Alakazam[Shadow Ball], Agiligross, DDMence, and others running amok, the playing field is evened out).

So, WHY would you ban this if it can't even top a normal pokemon? Legendaries DO take skill to train, you can't just breed them for better IVs, and you need to EV train them just like any other pokemon. Level doesn't matter because everyone does Level 100 battles anyways.

~~~Exceptions~~~

Non-Uber: Regigigas

Sure, Regigigas has 670 Base, but his ability cuts his Speed and Attack for the 5 turns EVERY TIME HE IS SENT OUT, leaving him at 540 BST. Since no one else would have him out for more than 5 turns anyways, he is placed in the BL tier, far from the Ubers.

Uber: Darkrai, Wobbuffet, [email protected], Mew

Darkrai has 600 BST, but his speed and moves/ability combination keeps him banned. Dark Void is a better version of Hypnosis, especially in double battles, and he has Nightmare/Dream Eater and an ability to stack on this.

Wobbuffet: His massive HP, moveset, and ability keeps him banned. He can kill nearly any pokemon, and take down a second one with him with Destiny Bond. Shadow Tag also doesn't allow them to switch out, keeping them trapped.

[email protected]: They have superior typing and an incredible movepool, placing them in the Uber tier.

Mew: When something like Smeargle has the potential to ruin teams just because of the biggest movepool ever, Mew will be an incredibly upgraded version of that. Put in Ubers because of a good stat build and a superior and an unpredictable movepool that tops nearly everything else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

taken from B1001's marriland thread.

Ichida September 3rd, 2007 10:53 AM

*sigh* It was never about being able to beat ubers or not, because I've defeated teams of shiny, hacked, trained legendaries, including a Regigigas without Slow Start spamming Sacred Fire. It's about ethics and maintaining an honorable playing field between players. Any Pokemon can beat any other Pokemon with the right strategy. I mean hell, look at the "F.E.A.R.." It's the weakest, crappiest Pokemon in existence but it can still kill any Pokemon.

pokeguy12 September 3rd, 2007 11:10 AM

yeah switch into a mence when it switches out. now something that TRULY is god , is a wondertomb which cannot be effected by ANYTHING.

Silent Storm September 3rd, 2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokeguy12 (Post 2846481)
yeah switch into a mence when it switches out. now something that TRULY is god , is a wondertomb which cannot be effected by ANYTHING.

Bah, I lied =/.

Destiny Bond my friend untop of other Wonder guard counters =/.

pokeguy12 September 3rd, 2007 11:16 AM

i think wondertomb can also learn destiny bond?

Ichida September 3rd, 2007 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokeguy12 (Post 2846481)
now something that TRULY is god , is a wondertomb which cannot be effected by ANYTHING.

That, unfortunately, is hacked and should be sent back to the pits of Hell from which it was illegally spawned!!

pokeguy12 September 3rd, 2007 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2846557)
That, unfortunately, is hacked and should be sent back to the pits of Hell from which it was illegally spawned!!

that is a very good explanation

Yellow Magikoopa September 3rd, 2007 4:16 PM

Quote:

You guys know what? People use ubers for a reason.

1.Not everyone has the patience to EV train or buy TM's and crap.

2.Not everyone feels like ogling at stats and natures.

3.Some people want to play the game.

4.Not everyone bought the game to do a lot of complicated math and stuff.

So stop saying whoever uses ubers are n00bs.

They're as much of pokemon players as any of you.
1.If you don't have the patience to use legit, well-earned pokemon, you might as well not play the game at all.

2.There's a simple solution to that: here, why don't you just catch a pokemon and train it? There, no ogling at stats and natures there, amirite?

3.Oh, I assure you, playing the game through correctly and training pokemon that you yourself earned is much better described as "playing the game" than messing with the game with some action replay or something and acting all tough because you messed with the game's coding and lacked the patience of training a real pokemon. Besides, aren't I playing the game by turning the power on and pressing buttons? :')

4. You're right, some bought the game to just play until after they beat the first gym leader then let it rot in their closet, but at least they didn't cheat. They also had the common courtesy to not send their Lv. 100 Arceuses online and beat people's arses that actually earned their pokemon, amirite?

Chibi Pika September 13th, 2007 11:14 AM

WHy on earth shouls all legends be banned? Some are BL at best, and require just as much skill to use as anything else.

And as for ubers...isn't that was tiers are for?

pokeguy12, Ichaste Pekoni, and Smarties-chan make excellent points. My EV trained Staraptor beat my friend's entire team on untrained Ubers. And as for trained ubers, well yes, they're unbalanced--that's what uber battles are for. FOr crying out loud, why is there the attitude that the OU tier is the only one in existence?

And this attitude that Legendaries = Ubers, just...lol.

~Chibi~

sims796 September 13th, 2007 11:25 AM

Hey, I made good points too...I am agreeing...

Seriously, this legends=Ubers confusion has gone too far. Now, the newcomers comming to this site are confused because of the people here claiming that legends are ubers. I had to actually PM Smarties to ask him to make a sticky describing the two. And there is one on the battle rules.

Chibi Pika September 13th, 2007 11:37 AM

^ Heh, sorry, I only scrolled and caught what stood out. ^^;

pixlepix September 13th, 2007 1:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abyssion (Post 2585325)
Legendaries like Azelf are quite a bit weaker than legendaries like Lugia. Garchomp, Dragonite, Metagross, Tyranitar, Salamence are up there with the weaker legendaries, so banning all legendaries and leaving them alone is...odd (couldn't think of a better word... >.>).

Read a list of legends.I loved my rayquaza on my emerald game to pull throgh the elete 4.Anyway if you get super evd pokes sence the noobs who use ubers are to lazy to care about evs.

Shem September 13th, 2007 1:33 PM

you do have a point about using ubers, but whats wrong with 2 or three. I wanna show off my darkai and my kyogre that im super proud of. Even though my main team are ubers i do have some what decent normal pokes too...

sims796 September 13th, 2007 2:02 PM

Because Darakia and Kyorge are too strong to be on a standard team. Now, to beat you (if they are EV trained), I will HAVE to put an Uber to balance that out. And no one should be forced to use one.


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