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sims796 July 8th, 2007 10:30 AM

Stealth Rocker
 
Firrst of all, I would like to thank all who posted in my previous post, Team EV help. But according to both Punishment & Nightofshadow, Tyranitar SHOULD NOT learn Stealth Rock. This messes up my whole Noctowl strategy. So here is my quesion: who on my team (listed below) should I teach SR to? I am open to suggestions, as well as replacements.

Now I know that Noctowl is far from one of the more "popular" choices, it's my favorite bird, and if I can't play with what I like, there's no point in playing. I think we can all agree on that. There are 493 pokemon thus far, not 40, so I am not just gonna use the more popular OU choices. I can suceed very well with a Noctowl on my team.

Those in bold can actually learn it. Those with stars I won't change.
Gyarados
Raichu*
Torterra*
Tyranitar
Vileplume*(my absolute favorite
Noctowl*

In a previous battle, I had Noctowl put half his team to sleep. While his Snorlax was sleep, I had used Whirlwind. Oddly I kept getting Venasaur, with recovered with Leftovers. I try to use Air Slash, but he would switch back to a sleeping Snorlax. I use whirlwind, get Venasaur who heals, he switch in Snorlax, rinse & repeat. If I had Stealth Rock out, it would've been different.

I could post moveset if requested. I just really don't wanna Skarmory if I can help it.

Samson July 8th, 2007 10:34 AM

umm why do you give snorlax whirlwind anyway? it's a nice surprise, but snorlax should not be doing it.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2601582)
umm why do you give snorlax whirlwind anyway? it's a nice surprise, but snorlax should not be doing it.

No no no, HE had Snorlax. I used whirlwind on HIM.

Samson July 8th, 2007 10:38 AM

oh well then the simple solution is to give gyarados dragon dance and switch him in. if the opponent's pokes are asleep, then Gyarados can freely boost his attack and speed to sweep them.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 10:40 AM

So I don't need a Stealth Rocker? Thats nice, I never thought of doing what you said.

Samson July 8th, 2007 10:41 AM

yeah. stealth rock is a nice thing to have, but if you can't fit it into your team and strategy, then don't.

Always and Never July 8th, 2007 10:42 AM

If you won't change any of your pokemon, and you won't give TTar Stealth Rock, how can you give your team Stealth Rock?

The only two good Stealth Rockers, in my opinion, are Aerodactyl and Gliscor.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 10:46 AM

After I read what I wrote, I noticed I gave no room for improvement. So you can ignore that first no change comment. I just wanna use what I personally like.
But Vileplume and Torterra stays, they are my favorite.

c_dog July 8th, 2007 10:58 AM

I tried swampert as a stealth rocker and she was decent. It had the defense and hp to take hits, though grass moves are always a threat. Still very good though. Empoleon has worked time and time again also. Claydol's another good one, and it's not just a stealth rocker but rapid spinner also. It's levitate ability is very useful and it has the defense to wall and pretty decent sp.att to boot. I know you like torterra but i has to go. If you want electric resistance claydol and swampert are both much better, and I don't see the point of having two grass types. Fact is torterra brings next to nothing to your team(I know cuz i've battled you before) so there is a need, it's the one to go. I think Noctowl actually did a lot better than torterra if i recall correctly, in fact surprisingly it was one of the best..

What happened to your Golem? I thought it was pretty good also, I was surprised by it. BTW, am i the guy who kept using snorlax and venasaur? :/

edit:i meant swampert but i typed "skarm" for some reason -_-

sims796 July 8th, 2007 11:11 AM

Heh, I know, I didn't want to mention names. The reason I have Torterra cause, well, he's my first, and my first is always on my team. But Claydol, hmmm. There's a thought. I replaced Golem cause he has low sp.def, and 4x weakness to Grass & Water. So he falls pretty quick.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 11:20 AM

So, I might be thinking of trading in TTar for Claydol, I'm more suited for defense, anyway. Does anyone know a good moveset for Claydol, involving Stealth Rock, & maybe Rapid Spin?

c_dog July 8th, 2007 11:26 AM

I think claydol would do wonders for you. Drop torterra. claydol not only resist electric but it has levitate.

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Levitate ability
Modest Nature
Evs:252hp 200def 58sp.def
-earthpower
-ice beam
-rapid spin
-stealth rock

its only down side is its base hp is kind of meh(that's what hp ev's are for). but it has good base def and great sp.def stats, especially sp.def. modest nature so its attacks have decent power(would't hurt to have some ev's here either, but not a lot), and evs should focus mainly on its defenses. sp.def is great as it is so it requires fewer ev's. this is just a guideline but yeah, that's pretty much how claydol works.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 11:29 AM

What about Cosmic Power somewhere in there? Would that work?

And I just can't tear myself from Torterra, though he will be switched out every now & then. No one said a team is permanent!

Nightofshadow July 8th, 2007 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXscytherXx (Post 2601599)
If you won't change any of your pokemon, and you won't give TTar Stealth Rock, how can you give your team Stealth Rock?

The only two good Stealth Rockers, in my opinion, are Aerodactyl and Gliscor.

What the hell are you talking about? WRONG completely. There are ALOT of good stealth rock pokemon

Swampert
Torterra
Blissey
Gliscor
Jirachi
Uxie
Donphan
Claydol
Bronzong

The list goes on and on. Why do you insist on making such bad statements and advice.

c_dog July 8th, 2007 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2601747)
What about Cosmic Power somewhere in there? Would that work?

And I just can't tear myself from Torterra, though he will be switched out every now & then. No one said a team is permanent!

i wouldn't suggest cosmic power on it.. it's a utility pokemon as it is and it needs to be able to fight back a bit. it needs to punish opponents that try to use an eletric attack on your team, that's what earthpower is for. ice beam gives it good coverage as it hits a lot of pokemon and hits flying types that resist ground moves.

unless it can baton pass(which i'm actually not aware of) then cosmic power is pretty much useless because even if it ends up with invincible defenses, it certainly wasn't going to beat the other team with possibly rapid spin as its only offensive move.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightofshadow (Post 2601873)
What the hell are you talking about? WRONG completely. There are ALOT of good stealth rock pokemon

Swampert
Torterra
Blissey
Gliscor
Jirachi
Uxie
Donphan
Claydol
Bronzong

The list goes on and on. Why do you insist on making such bad statements and advice.

Quite a list. I have Torterra doing something else, but he's a thought. But I still might go with Claydol, though. I like Psychic types.


EDIT: C-dog, thanks. Claydol is a great poke for my leaning-towards-defence team (if anyone noticed). While I type with the Wii, I'm a bit slow.

Samson July 8th, 2007 1:32 PM

Modest is a bad nature on Claydol. give it Bold.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 6:09 PM

OK, is Calm any good?If not, then Bold.

Azonic July 8th, 2007 6:23 PM

Teach it to Gliscor.

Loving that sig, Sims796.

sims796 July 8th, 2007 6:27 PM

It can't learn Stealth Rock. Why did you think it can?

Thanks, by the way.

Oh so now you edit, eh? Smart. Anyway, I'm not having Gliscor on my team, cause I choose Claydol. But thanks anyway.

Punishment July 8th, 2007 6:32 PM

Cosmic Power is great but Claydol has no means of HP recovery (except for Rest I suppose).

Battle with what you like Sims. Trying to fit in one combo isnt worth it to edit a team. I too want Stealth Rock in my team but the Pokemon who can actually learn it are those I dont want to use. With the exception of Claydol and Aerodactyl who are currently being used by people I regularly battle with.

So enough of my rant my message is basically originality is a good thing. If you used a Noctowl in battle against me I'd remember the battle rather then the last 20 people who used a SkarmBliss.

But since you have chosen claydol which is a superb choice as I have not seen many people with one go ahead and do it. ^_^

Not to mention it is a Rapid Spinner so kill two birds with one stone.

Azonic July 8th, 2007 6:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2603283)
It can't learn Stealth Rock. Why did you think it can?

Thanks, by the way.

Oh so now you edit, eh? Smart. Anyway, I'm not having Gliscor on my team, cause I choose Claydol. But thanks anyway.

Eh he he... Shhhhhhhhh! The whole world doesn't need to know... :( :(

Skarmory with Stealth Rock AND Spikes wit hWhirlwind... WOW... and then get a Toxic Spiker!!! this is gonna pack a wallop!!!

Stealth Rock AND Spikes AND Toxic Spikes... WOW

sims796 July 8th, 2007 6:41 PM

Thank you so much Punishment for keepin it real. I will battle with what I like. Problem is, I like too many things. Luckily, no one said a team is set in stone. I can switch at will. One minute there's Vileplume, another Roserade.

But when heard Claydol, I got excited at the thought of using it. I like Claydol, so from time to time, it will be switched to & fro with TTar & Golem, two favs.

If anyone else has any team related comments, as well as comments like Punishment, then feel free to post.

EDIT: I TYPE TOO SLOW WITH THE WII. SKARMORY SOUNDS NICE, I'LL KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION. AND EXCUSE THE ALL-CAPS, I FIND IT EAISER TO WII-TYPE LIKE THIS.
P.S.: MY BAD, DIDN'T MEAN TO BLOW UP YOUR SPOT...

Azonic July 8th, 2007 7:07 PM

Attack Deoxys is great for single battles, high speed and attack.

WHAT ABOUT RHYPERIOR HUH? SANDSTREAM ON TYRANITAR IS PERMANENT AND WILL DEAL DAMAGE ON YOUR BELOVED VILEPLUME AND EVERYTHING ELSE. RHYPERIOR LIKES PIE AND HAS TANK STATS IN THE PHYSICAL CANTEGORY! YOU SHOULD CONSIDER.

[email protected]/Choice Band
Trait: Hard Rock
Nature: Adamant/ Brave
EVs: 252 HP/172 DEF/80 ATK

Avalanche
EQ (all caps again?)
Stone Edge
Megahorn

*SOOOOOOOOOOO ORIGINAL. BUT IT IS SOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!

sims796 July 8th, 2007 7:21 PM

Fisrt off, this is the first thread of mine that exceeded 20 post, horray!!

Seriously, I hate Deoxys. He owes me money, and I know he ate my pudding.

Rhyperior I dislike also. He is just so common he turns me off. Not that I don't use him BECAUSE he's popular, just cause I personally don't like him. She never calls anymore.

c_dog July 8th, 2007 8:56 PM

modest is fine as long as you have near max defense ev's on it, imo.

sims796 July 9th, 2007 8:04 AM

Should I put max EV's on Defence, some in Sp.Def, & some in Sp.Att?

Punishment July 9th, 2007 8:40 AM

It usually isnt a good idea to try and make a Pokemon a dual wall. Make Claydol be a physical wall so max out the Defense. I am pretty sure Claydol has a really low base HP so stick a majority of the remaining EVs in there. (or all if you want). Then stick some EVs in Special Attack if you like.

sims796 July 9th, 2007 8:58 AM

Despite his Sp.Def being his highest stat? Hmmm...You've given me a lot to think about. I might just do that with max defence, and definetly HP.

Punishment July 9th, 2007 9:02 AM

Well you try and boost the lowest stats of the two or three. You also have to take onto account of its weakness. Is it more likely going to be hit by a physical or special attack?

For example, my Umbreon has a higher Special Defense then Defense. But it has a weakness to the Fighting type which are many physical attacks. So I went and stuck my EVs in Defense and HP.


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