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Stealth Rocker
Firrst of all, I would like to thank all who posted in my previous post, Team EV help. But according to both Punishment & Nightofshadow, Tyranitar SHOULD NOT learn Stealth Rock. This messes up my whole Noctowl strategy. So here is my quesion: who on my team (listed below) should I teach SR to? I am open to suggestions, as well as replacements.
Now I know that Noctowl is far from one of the more "popular" choices, it's my favorite bird, and if I can't play with what I like, there's no point in playing. I think we can all agree on that. There are 493 pokemon thus far, not 40, so I am not just gonna use the more popular OU choices. I can suceed very well with a Noctowl on my team. Those in bold can actually learn it. Those with stars I won't change. Gyarados Raichu* Torterra* Tyranitar Vileplume*(my absolute favorite Noctowl* In a previous battle, I had Noctowl put half his team to sleep. While his Snorlax was sleep, I had used Whirlwind. Oddly I kept getting Venasaur, with recovered with Leftovers. I try to use Air Slash, but he would switch back to a sleeping Snorlax. I use whirlwind, get Venasaur who heals, he switch in Snorlax, rinse & repeat. If I had Stealth Rock out, it would've been different. I could post moveset if requested. I just really don't wanna Skarmory if I can help it. |
umm why do you give snorlax whirlwind anyway? it's a nice surprise, but snorlax should not be doing it.
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oh well then the simple solution is to give gyarados dragon dance and switch him in. if the opponent's pokes are asleep, then Gyarados can freely boost his attack and speed to sweep them.
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So I don't need a Stealth Rocker? Thats nice, I never thought of doing what you said.
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yeah. stealth rock is a nice thing to have, but if you can't fit it into your team and strategy, then don't.
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If you won't change any of your pokemon, and you won't give TTar Stealth Rock, how can you give your team Stealth Rock?
The only two good Stealth Rockers, in my opinion, are Aerodactyl and Gliscor. |
After I read what I wrote, I noticed I gave no room for improvement. So you can ignore that first no change comment. I just wanna use what I personally like.
But Vileplume and Torterra stays, they are my favorite. |
I tried swampert as a stealth rocker and she was decent. It had the defense and hp to take hits, though grass moves are always a threat. Still very good though. Empoleon has worked time and time again also. Claydol's another good one, and it's not just a stealth rocker but rapid spinner also. It's levitate ability is very useful and it has the defense to wall and pretty decent sp.att to boot. I know you like torterra but i has to go. If you want electric resistance claydol and swampert are both much better, and I don't see the point of having two grass types. Fact is torterra brings next to nothing to your team(I know cuz i've battled you before) so there is a need, it's the one to go. I think Noctowl actually did a lot better than torterra if i recall correctly, in fact surprisingly it was one of the best..
What happened to your Golem? I thought it was pretty good also, I was surprised by it. BTW, am i the guy who kept using snorlax and venasaur? :/ edit:i meant swampert but i typed "skarm" for some reason -_- |
Heh, I know, I didn't want to mention names. The reason I have Torterra cause, well, he's my first, and my first is always on my team. But Claydol, hmmm. There's a thought. I replaced Golem cause he has low sp.def, and 4x weakness to Grass & Water. So he falls pretty quick.
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So, I might be thinking of trading in TTar for Claydol, I'm more suited for defense, anyway. Does anyone know a good moveset for Claydol, involving Stealth Rock, & maybe Rapid Spin?
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I think claydol would do wonders for you. Drop torterra. claydol not only resist electric but it has levitate.
[email protected] Levitate ability Modest Nature Evs:252hp 200def 58sp.def -earthpower -ice beam -rapid spin -stealth rock its only down side is its base hp is kind of meh(that's what hp ev's are for). but it has good base def and great sp.def stats, especially sp.def. modest nature so its attacks have decent power(would't hurt to have some ev's here either, but not a lot), and evs should focus mainly on its defenses. sp.def is great as it is so it requires fewer ev's. this is just a guideline but yeah, that's pretty much how claydol works. |
What about Cosmic Power somewhere in there? Would that work?
And I just can't tear myself from Torterra, though he will be switched out every now & then. No one said a team is permanent! |
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Swampert Torterra Blissey Gliscor Jirachi Uxie Donphan Claydol Bronzong The list goes on and on. Why do you insist on making such bad statements and advice. |
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unless it can baton pass(which i'm actually not aware of) then cosmic power is pretty much useless because even if it ends up with invincible defenses, it certainly wasn't going to beat the other team with possibly rapid spin as its only offensive move. |
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EDIT: C-dog, thanks. Claydol is a great poke for my leaning-towards-defence team (if anyone noticed). While I type with the Wii, I'm a bit slow. |
Modest is a bad nature on Claydol. give it Bold.
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OK, is Calm any good?If not, then Bold.
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Teach it to Gliscor.
Loving that sig, Sims796. |
It can't learn Stealth Rock. Why did you think it can?
Thanks, by the way. Oh so now you edit, eh? Smart. Anyway, I'm not having Gliscor on my team, cause I choose Claydol. But thanks anyway. |
Cosmic Power is great but Claydol has no means of HP recovery (except for Rest I suppose).
Battle with what you like Sims. Trying to fit in one combo isnt worth it to edit a team. I too want Stealth Rock in my team but the Pokemon who can actually learn it are those I dont want to use. With the exception of Claydol and Aerodactyl who are currently being used by people I regularly battle with. So enough of my rant my message is basically originality is a good thing. If you used a Noctowl in battle against me I'd remember the battle rather then the last 20 people who used a SkarmBliss. But since you have chosen claydol which is a superb choice as I have not seen many people with one go ahead and do it. ^_^ Not to mention it is a Rapid Spinner so kill two birds with one stone. |
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Skarmory with Stealth Rock AND Spikes wit hWhirlwind... WOW... and then get a Toxic Spiker!!! this is gonna pack a wallop!!! Stealth Rock AND Spikes AND Toxic Spikes... WOW |
Thank you so much Punishment for keepin it real. I will battle with what I like. Problem is, I like too many things. Luckily, no one said a team is set in stone. I can switch at will. One minute there's Vileplume, another Roserade.
But when heard Claydol, I got excited at the thought of using it. I like Claydol, so from time to time, it will be switched to & fro with TTar & Golem, two favs. If anyone else has any team related comments, as well as comments like Punishment, then feel free to post. EDIT: I TYPE TOO SLOW WITH THE WII. SKARMORY SOUNDS NICE, I'LL KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION. AND EXCUSE THE ALL-CAPS, I FIND IT EAISER TO WII-TYPE LIKE THIS. P.S.: MY BAD, DIDN'T MEAN TO BLOW UP YOUR SPOT... |
Attack Deoxys is great for single battles, high speed and attack.
WHAT ABOUT RHYPERIOR HUH? SANDSTREAM ON TYRANITAR IS PERMANENT AND WILL DEAL DAMAGE ON YOUR BELOVED VILEPLUME AND EVERYTHING ELSE. RHYPERIOR LIKES PIE AND HAS TANK STATS IN THE PHYSICAL CANTEGORY! YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. [email protected]/Choice Band Trait: Hard Rock Nature: Adamant/ Brave EVs: 252 HP/172 DEF/80 ATK Avalanche EQ (all caps again?) Stone Edge Megahorn *SOOOOOOOOOOO ORIGINAL. BUT IT IS SOOOOOOOOOO GOOD! |
Fisrt off, this is the first thread of mine that exceeded 20 post, horray!!
Seriously, I hate Deoxys. He owes me money, and I know he ate my pudding. Rhyperior I dislike also. He is just so common he turns me off. Not that I don't use him BECAUSE he's popular, just cause I personally don't like him. She never calls anymore. |
modest is fine as long as you have near max defense ev's on it, imo.
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Should I put max EV's on Defence, some in Sp.Def, & some in Sp.Att?
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It usually isnt a good idea to try and make a Pokemon a dual wall. Make Claydol be a physical wall so max out the Defense. I am pretty sure Claydol has a really low base HP so stick a majority of the remaining EVs in there. (or all if you want). Then stick some EVs in Special Attack if you like.
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Despite his Sp.Def being his highest stat? Hmmm...You've given me a lot to think about. I might just do that with max defence, and definetly HP.
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Well you try and boost the lowest stats of the two or three. You also have to take onto account of its weakness. Is it more likely going to be hit by a physical or special attack?
For example, my Umbreon has a higher Special Defense then Defense. But it has a weakness to the Fighting type which are many physical attacks. So I went and stuck my EVs in Defense and HP. |
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