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wwexkent July 9th, 2007 3:47 AM

Rate my Team
 
My team is all lvl 100 so plz rate

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Dark Void
Nightmare
Dream Eater
Dark Pulse

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Magma Storm
Heat Wave
Iron Head
Stone Edge

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Close Combat
Psycho Cut
Leaf Blade
Swords Dance

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Hydro Cannon
Avalanche
Surf
Flash Cannon

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Dragon Claw
Fly
Flamethrower
Crunch

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Discharge
Thunder Fang
Charge
Crunch

So thats all folks btw if anyone wants to PM me and ill try to give you a Members Pass or Oak's Letter Via Mystery Gift

wolfie1177 July 9th, 2007 11:52 AM

how can you have that you don't use ubers in your sig, but then have darkrai as the first member listed on your team? isn't that a little hypocritical?

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 12:04 PM

There are a few not so good things but what stands out the most is having flamethrower on salamence.

wwexkent July 9th, 2007 4:40 PM

Re: Rate my team
 
Darkrai isn't uber uber is mew celebi jirachi and arceus

sims796 July 9th, 2007 4:46 PM

Who the hell told you that lie? His stats are all above 90-except HP, which is 75-his sp.atk is 135, and his speed is 125. And with moves like Nightmare, Dark Void, and with such an ability, I think that makes him an uber.

Celibi isn't an uber, it's weakesses weight it down.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 4:48 PM

Sorry to tell you this but darkrai is an uber, mew and celebi arent, pokemon like ho-oh, lugia, groudon kyogre, dialga, palkia, things of that sort, pokemon like shaymin, mew celebi are BL so they wouldn't be counted as ubers imo but I'm new to the whole competitive battling thing so don't burn me with critisisive comments towards my intelligence, I'll work on finding out more about that subject.

sims796 July 9th, 2007 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooka_100 (Post 2607006)
Sorry to tell you this but darkrai is an uber, mew and celebi arent, pokemon like ho-oh, lugia, groudon kyogre, dialga, palkia, things of that sort, pokemon like shaymin, mew celebi are BL so they wouldn't be counted as ubers imo but I'm new to the whole competitive battling thing so don't burn me with critisisive comments towards my intelligence, I'll work on finding out more about that subject.

Let me correct you. Mew actually is an uber, despite having the same stats as Celibi, because it can learn ANY MOVE. That kinda brings it up.

Angelic Diablo July 9th, 2007 4:55 PM

Mew can't learn every move, it can learn every TM and HM as well as move tutor moves, but that's still not every move

Going by your logic, Smeargle should be an uber than because he can learn every move

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 4:56 PM

But smeargle has no stats to back up it's increadable movepool. Other than decent speed.

sims796 July 9th, 2007 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelic Diablo (Post 2607039)
Mew can't learn every move, it can learn every TM and HM as well as move tutor moves, but that's still not every move

Going by your logic, Smeargle should be an uber than because he can learn every move

Thank you for correcting me. But the fact that he can learn every TM WITH great stats to use them makes him an uber, according to serebii.net. And Smeargle, as ooki so welly put it, doesn't have the stats to use those moves.

MegaDitto July 9th, 2007 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wwexkent (Post 2606967)
Darkrai isn't uber uber is mew celebi jirachi and arceus

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Overheat
Explosion/Earthquake
Iron Head
Stone Edge

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Dragon Claw
Draco Meteor
Zen Heatbutt
Crunch

I'm sure Salamence doesn't know Dragon Dance or you don't have TM's.

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Aqua Jet
Avalanche/Ice Beam
Surf
Flash Cannon

Just suggestive movesets.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 7:12 PM

Shouldn't the salamence leave the sp.attk dragon moves like draco meteor to a poke that can hold his own with it like dragonite.

sims796 July 9th, 2007 8:36 PM

One thing-Draco Meteor shouldn't go on Dragonite. Why not use attack strength, rather than sp.att? And Bleach, Salamence can breed for Dragon Dance, should be replaced for DM. I also find it funny that it can breed for Hydro Pump. You shouldn't get it, but I just noticed it.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 9:11 PM

What I'm saying is dragonite is the most suitable for a special attk out of the dragons.

StealthDragon July 9th, 2007 10:08 PM

Sorry guys but salamence can be used as a great special attacker. In fact 4th gen wise its much BETTER to run salamence as a special attacker!

Salamence @ Choice specs
Nature: Modest

Draco Meteor
Flamethrower
Dragon Pluse
Hydro Pump

Draco meteor for making hard blows on your opponets team early on..then switch out because of the choice specs effect and stats being lowerd. Dragon pluse for the usual sweeping. Hydro pump for the obvious. Flamethrower for steel types that wall dragons and grass types.

Nuff said.



sims796 July 9th, 2007 10:44 PM

Are you serious?! Hydro Pump?! Sorry, but AttackMence is much better to run.

Richard Lynch July 10th, 2007 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2608142)
Are you serious?! Hydro Pump?! Sorry, but AttackMence is much better to run.

Salamence has the potential to be both a Physical Sweeper OR a Special Sweeper (most people actually are going with the latter with something deemed "SpecsMence"), however the physical variation will always be better, seeing as how his Attack his higher than his Special Attack (an Attack that matches that of Metagross, actually). My personal favourite is Dragon Dance Salamence:

Salamence @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpAtk)
EVs: 120 HP, 252 Attack, 136 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower

Of course, the nature could be changed to Naughty (+Atk, -SpDef) in order to boost Special Attack a bit, but then any Ice Beam would practically be an OHKO. Most of it is obvious: Earthquake has great type coverage, Dragon Claw is only resisted by one type (Steel), and Flamethrower is really quite vital in order to take down Skarmory and Bronzong, who would otherwise wall this set completely. And since Salamence does have a great Special Attack, even with an Adamant nature Flamethrower is at most a 2KO on Skarmory. Not sure about Bronzong, though.

However, watch out for Milotic, since she's generally a good counter for DDMence, and will usually OHKO with an Ice Beam, while taking minimal damage from Salamence, especially if she switches in during Flamethrower.

But many people who use Salamence also use Garchomp and TTar, who are only Physical Sweepers. So maybe that's why SpecsMence has gained so much popularity. But if you ask me which is better, I will always say Dragon Dance Salamence. I've seen it massacre teams, and after a few Dragon Dances it becomes virtually unstoppable, unless up against one hell of a Hazer.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 5:28 AM

Ok, I see, they both are adequate enough. Thanks.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StealthDragon (Post 2608075)
Sorry guys but salamence can be used as a great special attacker. In fact 4th gen wise its much BETTER to run salamence as a special attacker!

Salamence @ Choice specs
Nature: Modest

Draco Meteor
Flamethrower
Dragon Pluse
Hydro Pump

Draco meteor for making hard blows on your opponets team early on..then switch out because of the choice specs effect and stats being lowerd. Dragon pluse for the usual sweeping. Hydro pump for the obvious. Flamethrower for steel types that wall dragons and grass types.

Nuff said.



That moveset made me laugh so hard that water came out of my nose. Please never do that again. Not only does Hydro Pump suck, but you also have two Dragn moves. Try this.

Salamence (Adamant)
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Fire Fang/Brick Break/Crunch

Salamence is better as a Physical Sweeper, IMO.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 10th, 2007 10:54 AM

I think flamethrower should be on salamence because if you dragon dance and they bring out skarm to do a skarmbliss you might want to have flamethrower so that you don't have to switch out.

sanjay120 July 10th, 2007 11:02 AM

Purfugly, never do that again. Not only are you being an idiot but you are also starting to piss me off. The two dragon moves are needed. Draco Meteor can OHKO many things, but Dragon Pulse is useful to finish things off and still hit hard without the SAttk drop. Hydro Pump is not that bad of an idea on something that can't learn Surf and needs a reliable way to kill Heatran and Rhyperior. While I hate Salamence, absolutely hate it, I feel I have to defend Specsmence here. He is a ****ing beast. 110 SAttk (higher than Draggy's, mind you) + STAB Draco Meteor is nothing to laugh at. You think it sucks, I'll be waiting with one on Competitor especially made to kick your ass.

And ooka, thank you for telling them that. That's exactly why you use Flamethrower.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609693)
Purfugly, never do that again. Not only are you being an idiot but you are also starting to piss me off. The two dragon moves are needed. Draco Meteor can OHKO many things, but Dragon Pulse is useful to finish things off and still hit hard without the SAttk drop. Hydro Pump is not that bad of an idea on something that can't learn Surf and needs a reliable way to kill Heatran and Rhyperior. While I hate Salamence, absolutely hate it, I feel I have to defend Specsmence here. He is a ****ing beast. 110 SAttk (higher than Draggy's, mind you) + STAB Draco Meteor is nothing to laugh at. You think it sucks, I'll be waiting with one on Competitor especially made to kick your ass.

And ooka, thank you for telling them that. That's exactly why you use Flamethrower.

But the idea of what just about everyone is saying is that you must make your pokemon as versitile as possible. Two dragon moves aren't recommended, and Hydro Pump's accuraccy is too flakey to be recomended to anyone. If you want Rhyperior killer, get Earthquake. Not that Hydro Pump is all that bad, but there is better.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609693)
Purfugly, never do that again. Not only are you being an idiot but you are also starting to piss me off. The two dragon moves are needed. Draco Meteor can OHKO many things, but Dragon Pulse is useful to finish things off and still hit hard without the SAttk drop. Hydro Pump is not that bad of an idea on something that can't learn Surf and needs a reliable way to kill Heatran and Rhyperior. While I hate Salamence, absolutely hate it, I feel I have to defend Specsmence here. He is a ****ing beast. 110 SAttk (higher than Draggy's, mind you) + STAB Draco Meteor is nothing to laugh at. You think it sucks, I'll be waiting with one on Competitor especially made to kick your ass.

And ooka, thank you for telling them that. That's exactly why you use Flamethrower.

Oh wow. That means that I should teach my Sharpedo both Surf and Waterfall. Thanks for reminding me to waste one of my move slots on a move of a type I already have. And that also means that Mece's attack is equal to that of - Tangrowth. Congrats. You just made me feel better about myself.

sanjay120 July 10th, 2007 11:31 AM

No, you should not teach both Surf and Waterfall to Sharpedo:

Neither of them have any drawbacks like Draco Meteor.
Surf is special. Sharpedo sucks at special.
Sharpedo has better options, namely Crunch and Earthquake. Salamence doesn't. (Hidden Power Flying maybe, if you have to time to breed for it/want to risk a Rhypeior switch in)

On Dragonite, I would only use Draco Meteor because of the combined fact that it already has a Dragon move AND it has lots of other options, options that would usually be better than Dragon Pulse.

110 SAttk is not bad, in fact, it's very good.

And lol, Earthquake kills Rhyperior. Solid Rock + 130 Def + Stone Edge + I'm using Modest/Timid Specsmence and I will not compromise its defenses, kthx.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609789)
No, you should not teach both Surf and Waterfall to Sharpedo:

Neither of them have any drawbacks like Draco Meteor.
Surf is special. Sharpedo sucks at special.
Sharpedo has better options, namely Crunch and Earthquake. Salamence doesn't.

110 SAttk is not bad, in fact, it's very good.

And lol, Earthquake kills Rhyperior. Solid Rock + 130 Def + Stone Edge + I'm using Modest/Timid Specsmence and I will not compromise its defenses, kthx.

Which is why I'd rather have an AttackMence any day. Leave the specials to the experts. His attack is still highest-and not by a small margin. Specmence isn't bad, just not as good.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609789)
No, you should not teach both Surf and Waterfall to Sharpedo:

Neither of them have any drawbacks like Draco Meteor.
Surf is special. Sharpedo sucks at special.
Sharpedo has better options, namely Crunch and Earthquake. Salamence doesn't.

110 SAttk is not bad, in fact, it's very good.

And lol, Earthquake kills Rhyperior. Solid Rock + 130 Def + I'm using Modest Specsmence.

Glad to know. In case you've decided to take a step off of the short bus:

a) I'm not effin retarded. You shouldn't put both on Sharpedo nor should you do it to Mence.
b) I didn't say 110 was bad, but it's sure as hell nothing to go crazy over, hell, Kadabra's is 120.
c) Regice just gets melted by Flamethrower, IMO.
d) Hydro Pump's Accuracy is - 80. Which basically means that it will only hit in-game.
e) Draco Meteor
f) I have to pee.

sanjay120 July 10th, 2007 11:46 AM

Physical Mence doesn't get Draco Meteor. And part of it is the surprise, switching in Skarmory or Bronzong on a Fire Blast is not good and could cost you the match. Besides, that post was mostly directed at Purfugly, not you.

Prufugly: Believe me, I'd use Surf if he got it. But he doesn't, and Hydro Pump is the only thing keeping Rhyperior and Heatran at bay. Physical Mence fails at Rhyperior stopping, no matter what you use, and Heatran usually carries Choice Scarf and will OHKO with HP Ice, so you can't EQ it. You sure are seeming retarded, if you can't think of a better example than Surf/Waterfall Sharpedo. That is nothing like Specsmence. Call me when you get a good analogy, or at least one that makes sense.

And wtf, Regice?

sims796 July 10th, 2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609861)
Physical Mence doesn't get Draco Meteor. And part of it is the surprise, switching in Skarmory or Bronzong on a Fire Blast is not good and could cost you the match. Besides, that post was mostly directed at Purfugly, not you.

I assume your talking to me. I wasn't trying to argue, just posting my opinion. Draco Meteor isn't all as good as it seems.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609861)
Physical Mence doesn't get Draco Meteor. And part of it is the surprise, switching in Skarmory or Bronzong on a Fire Blast is not good and could cost you the match. Besides, that post was mostly directed at Purfugly, not you.

Prufugly: Believe me, I'd use Surf if he got it. But he doesn't, and Hydro Pump is the only thing keeping Rhyperior and Heatran at bay. Physical Mence fails at Rhyperior stopping, no matter what you use, and Heatran usually carries Choice Scarf and will OHKO with HP Ice, so you can't EQ it. You sure are seeming retarded, if you can't think of a better example than Surf/Waterfall Sharpedo. That is nothing like Specsmence. Call me when you get a good analogy, or at least one that makes sense.

And wtf, Regice?

Okay, here is a better analogy.

Camerupt
~Overheat
~Flamethrower
~Filler
~Filler

And can't wait for your Hydro Pump to miss on Heatran, either way I'd doubt it would b a OHKO.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Steel (Post 2608650)
Salamence has the potential to be both a Physical Sweeper OR a Special Sweeper (most people actually are going with the latter with something deemed "SpecsMence"), however the physical variation will always be better, seeing as how his Attack his higher than his Special Attack (an Attack that matches that of Metagross, actually). My personal favourite is Dragon Dance Salamence:

Salamence @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpAtk)
EVs: 120 HP, 252 Attack, 136 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower

Of course, the nature could be changed to Naughty (+Atk, -SpDef) in order to boost Special Attack a bit, but then any Ice Beam would practically be an OHKO. Most of it is obvious: Earthquake has great type coverage, Dragon Claw is only resisted by one type (Steel), and Flamethrower is really quite vital in order to take down Skarmory and Bronzong, who would otherwise wall this set completely. And since Salamence does have a great Special Attack, even with an Adamant nature Flamethrower is at most a 2KO on Skarmory. Not sure about Bronzong, though.

However, watch out for Milotic, since she's generally a good counter for DDMence, and will usually OHKO with an Ice Beam, while taking minimal damage from Salamence, especially if she switches in during Flamethrower.

But many people who use Salamence also use Garchomp and TTar, who are only Physical Sweepers. So maybe that's why SpecsMence has gained so much popularity. But if you ask me which is better, I will always say Dragon Dance Salamence. I've seen it massacre teams, and after a few Dragon Dances it becomes virtually unstoppable, unless up against one hell of a Hazer.

I'm not arguing with anyone here. He explained it perfectly. AttackMence is USUALLY superior, but SpeceMence isn't shabby, either.

wwexkent July 10th, 2007 4:23 PM

Rate My Team
 
So whats my team!!!!??????

sims796 July 10th, 2007 4:33 PM

I'm sorry, we took this argument too personally. This should help.

Empoleon
Nature:Calm/Modest
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot/Stealth Rock
Yawn

This, I believe, is a standard Empoleon. I'm not sure, I picked Torterra.

Azonic July 11th, 2007 4:32 AM

Draco Meteor with Attack-mence is OK.

Draco Meteor's stat loss won't effect the other attacks in Attack-Mence

sanjay120 July 11th, 2007 5:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 2609924)
Okay, here is a better analogy.

Camerupt
~Overheat
~Flamethrower
~Filler
~Filler

And can't wait for your Hydro Pump to miss on Heatran, either way I'd doubt it would b a OHKO.

Maybe that could work, but it'd be better on Moltres. Camerupt is outclassed in fire-type Specsing and lots of things resist Fire. It also has low speed and a 4x weak to water doesn't help, though it did get a boost in Solid Rock. Salamence, on the other hand, has tons of resistances, Dragon is only resisted by Steel, and nothing beats it at Choice Specs Draco Meteor. Except Parukia.

And lol, Specs Hydro Pump does a minimum of 366 damage to no SDef Heatran.

Penguinpal, I've toyed around with the idea of CBMence with Draco Meteor. It sounds pretty good.


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