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peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609789)
No, you should not teach both Surf and Waterfall to Sharpedo:

Neither of them have any drawbacks like Draco Meteor.
Surf is special. Sharpedo sucks at special.
Sharpedo has better options, namely Crunch and Earthquake. Salamence doesn't.

110 SAttk is not bad, in fact, it's very good.

And lol, Earthquake kills Rhyperior. Solid Rock + 130 Def + I'm using Modest Specsmence.

Glad to know. In case you've decided to take a step off of the short bus:

a) I'm not effin retarded. You shouldn't put both on Sharpedo nor should you do it to Mence.
b) I didn't say 110 was bad, but it's sure as hell nothing to go crazy over, hell, Kadabra's is 120.
c) Regice just gets melted by Flamethrower, IMO.
d) Hydro Pump's Accuracy is - 80. Which basically means that it will only hit in-game.
e) Draco Meteor
f) I have to pee.

sanjay120 July 10th, 2007 11:46 AM

Physical Mence doesn't get Draco Meteor. And part of it is the surprise, switching in Skarmory or Bronzong on a Fire Blast is not good and could cost you the match. Besides, that post was mostly directed at Purfugly, not you.

Prufugly: Believe me, I'd use Surf if he got it. But he doesn't, and Hydro Pump is the only thing keeping Rhyperior and Heatran at bay. Physical Mence fails at Rhyperior stopping, no matter what you use, and Heatran usually carries Choice Scarf and will OHKO with HP Ice, so you can't EQ it. You sure are seeming retarded, if you can't think of a better example than Surf/Waterfall Sharpedo. That is nothing like Specsmence. Call me when you get a good analogy, or at least one that makes sense.

And wtf, Regice?

sims796 July 10th, 2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609861)
Physical Mence doesn't get Draco Meteor. And part of it is the surprise, switching in Skarmory or Bronzong on a Fire Blast is not good and could cost you the match. Besides, that post was mostly directed at Purfugly, not you.

I assume your talking to me. I wasn't trying to argue, just posting my opinion. Draco Meteor isn't all as good as it seems.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609861)
Physical Mence doesn't get Draco Meteor. And part of it is the surprise, switching in Skarmory or Bronzong on a Fire Blast is not good and could cost you the match. Besides, that post was mostly directed at Purfugly, not you.

Prufugly: Believe me, I'd use Surf if he got it. But he doesn't, and Hydro Pump is the only thing keeping Rhyperior and Heatran at bay. Physical Mence fails at Rhyperior stopping, no matter what you use, and Heatran usually carries Choice Scarf and will OHKO with HP Ice, so you can't EQ it. You sure are seeming retarded, if you can't think of a better example than Surf/Waterfall Sharpedo. That is nothing like Specsmence. Call me when you get a good analogy, or at least one that makes sense.

And wtf, Regice?

Okay, here is a better analogy.

Camerupt
~Overheat
~Flamethrower
~Filler
~Filler

And can't wait for your Hydro Pump to miss on Heatran, either way I'd doubt it would b a OHKO.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Steel (Post 2608650)
Salamence has the potential to be both a Physical Sweeper OR a Special Sweeper (most people actually are going with the latter with something deemed "SpecsMence"), however the physical variation will always be better, seeing as how his Attack his higher than his Special Attack (an Attack that matches that of Metagross, actually). My personal favourite is Dragon Dance Salamence:

Salamence @ Leftovers
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpAtk)
EVs: 120 HP, 252 Attack, 136 Speed
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower

Of course, the nature could be changed to Naughty (+Atk, -SpDef) in order to boost Special Attack a bit, but then any Ice Beam would practically be an OHKO. Most of it is obvious: Earthquake has great type coverage, Dragon Claw is only resisted by one type (Steel), and Flamethrower is really quite vital in order to take down Skarmory and Bronzong, who would otherwise wall this set completely. And since Salamence does have a great Special Attack, even with an Adamant nature Flamethrower is at most a 2KO on Skarmory. Not sure about Bronzong, though.

However, watch out for Milotic, since she's generally a good counter for DDMence, and will usually OHKO with an Ice Beam, while taking minimal damage from Salamence, especially if she switches in during Flamethrower.

But many people who use Salamence also use Garchomp and TTar, who are only Physical Sweepers. So maybe that's why SpecsMence has gained so much popularity. But if you ask me which is better, I will always say Dragon Dance Salamence. I've seen it massacre teams, and after a few Dragon Dances it becomes virtually unstoppable, unless up against one hell of a Hazer.

I'm not arguing with anyone here. He explained it perfectly. AttackMence is USUALLY superior, but SpeceMence isn't shabby, either.

wwexkent July 10th, 2007 4:23 PM

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sims796 July 10th, 2007 4:33 PM

I'm sorry, we took this argument too personally. This should help.

Empoleon
Nature:Calm/Modest
Surf
Ice Beam
Grass Knot/Stealth Rock
Yawn

This, I believe, is a standard Empoleon. I'm not sure, I picked Torterra.

Azonic July 11th, 2007 4:32 AM

Draco Meteor with Attack-mence is OK.

Draco Meteor's stat loss won't effect the other attacks in Attack-Mence

sanjay120 July 11th, 2007 5:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 2609924)
Okay, here is a better analogy.

Camerupt
~Overheat
~Flamethrower
~Filler
~Filler

And can't wait for your Hydro Pump to miss on Heatran, either way I'd doubt it would b a OHKO.

Maybe that could work, but it'd be better on Moltres. Camerupt is outclassed in fire-type Specsing and lots of things resist Fire. It also has low speed and a 4x weak to water doesn't help, though it did get a boost in Solid Rock. Salamence, on the other hand, has tons of resistances, Dragon is only resisted by Steel, and nothing beats it at Choice Specs Draco Meteor. Except Parukia.

And lol, Specs Hydro Pump does a minimum of 366 damage to no SDef Heatran.

Penguinpal, I've toyed around with the idea of CBMence with Draco Meteor. It sounds pretty good.


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