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Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 10:52 AM

Shuckle
 
I have went over it and over it and I don't see why no one uses shuckle. If it has rest, power trick, earthquake and any other move, holding a chesto or lum berry. An impish nature with maxed defenses, I mean, it couldn't hurt could it. Even if you went without power trick, it could seismic toss couldn't it. Tell me what you think.

Hyunbin July 9th, 2007 12:05 PM

well most people don't use it because it has terrible hp
i asked about shuckle a couple of weeks ago and was told to make shuckle the best it can be, to max out hp evs (252) and divide the rest into defense and sp. def
it works for me ^^

MegaDitto July 9th, 2007 12:28 PM

It has below average attack. When Power Trick is used. It can be defeated easily before it attacks.

Sal Kar July 9th, 2007 12:32 PM

dude you guyz are crazy, i use one, toxic makes it the ultimate annoyer+stelth rock

Ichida July 9th, 2007 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach and Sunshine (Post 2605937)
It has below average attack. When Power Trick is used. It can be defeated easily before it attacks.

If you pit it against a special sweeper, the Power Trick strategy could work. Mean Look would prevent them from switching to something physical.

MegaDitto July 9th, 2007 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2606159)
If you pit it against a special sweeper, the Power Trick strategy could work. Mean Look would prevent them from switching to something physical.

Ah yes. The Special Defense. That's still a valid defense. But Shuckle can still be defeated in battle. D;

Pocket Monster Researcher Archer July 9th, 2007 1:46 PM

not many people use shuckle because, it has low HP and a terrible pair of offensive stats. however it makes up for this by being one of the greatest walls out their. most shuckle i have seen are annoyers with move sets like:

Toxic
Double team
Sleep talk
Rest

holding chesto berries.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 3:17 PM

But with power trick, it could easily take out most starmies, milotics alakazams and other special sweepers so I think I'll add one to my team.

peabobo's sexy legs July 9th, 2007 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach and Sunshine (Post 2605937)
It has below average attack. When Power Trick is used. It can be defeated easily before it attacks.

Below average? More like non-existant.
This is the list of Shuckle's base stats.

HP 20
Attack 10
Defense 230
Special Attack 10
Special Defense 230
Speed 5

I prefer this set, however, it may seem 3rd Gen-ish (with the exception of Stealth Rock).

Curse
Toxic
Sandstorm
Stealth Rock (maybe?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket Monster Researcher Archer (Post 2606186)
not many people use shuckle because, it has low HP and a terrible pair of offensive stats. however it makes up for this by being one of the greatest walls out their. most shuckle i have seen are annoyers with move sets like:

Toxic
Double team
Sleep talk
Rest

holding chesto berries.

Sleep Talk would either make Shuckle use Toxic (when the Pokemon should already be poisoned) or Double Team (which is illegal anyway). Rest sucks on Shuckle because it has such low HP, even with max HP EVs, Shuckle would still get murdered.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 4:04 PM

You are all thinking of how low his hp is instead of how his defenses are almost double most pokemons stats.

peabobo's sexy legs July 9th, 2007 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooka_100 (Post 2606777)
You are all thinking of how low his hp is instead of how his defenses are almost double most pokemons stats.

No, I considered that. I'm just saying that his HP is too low to take use of his Defenses.

sims796 July 9th, 2007 4:15 PM

Basicly, almost any move that bypasses defence, especially poison/burn, will hurt. Alot.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 4:15 PM

I think it could live long enough to stall a great bit, most people say that blisseys have too low def to take anything and are therefore useless but my blissey took a thunderpunch from an electivire with an adamant nature, but it is only fair to say that I used a bold nature and maxed def evs with a 30 iv in def.

PlayaFritz July 9th, 2007 7:51 PM

I agree, just max out Hp, and put remaining in defence and SP defence, Shuckle isn't meant to fight on the frontlines, he is there to take some hits, and Toxic the hell out of the enemy. I have mixed opinions on powertrick though, I think shuckle is to slow to make a use out of it...

Akuchiki Byakuya July 9th, 2007 9:02 PM

I agree with that, and it's too risky to try quick claw but you have to admit if it worked it could possibly defeat anything. for example, first turn quick claw doesn't work and you get attacked and it hardly does anything, then on that turn you use power trick, the second turn if it worked you could get in an earthquake and take out a blissey if you wanted to.

Pocket Monster Researcher Archer July 10th, 2007 2:40 AM

yeah. i agree, i you want a decent shuckle. max out the EV's for its hp. and pick a nature which lowers an offensive stat for the defense you want to rase.

Pocket Monster Researcher Archer July 10th, 2007 2:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 2606618)
Below average? More like non-existant.
This is the list of Shuckle's base stats.

HP 20
Attack 10
Defense 230
Special Attack 10
Special Defense 230
Speed 5

I prefer this set, however, it may seem 3rd Gen-ish (with the exception of Stealth Rock).

Curse
Toxic
Sandstorm
Stealth Rock (maybe?)



Sleep Talk would either make Shuckle use Toxic (when the Pokemon should already be poisoned) or Double Team (which is illegal anyway). Rest sucks on Shuckle because it has such low HP, even with max HP EVs, Shuckle would still get murdered.

im positve that double team isnt illegal. i saw this in the battle factory.

ShadowLucario July 10th, 2007 7:14 AM

with shuckle, you definitly need to EV its HP, as said. but heres a little strategy that may work.
Moves
-Power Trick
-Toxic
-Earthquake
-Encore

it pretty much only works on pokemon that only have special attacks. Use toxic, then Encore with them using a special move. THen power trick, so you arent vulnerable to physical moves. Then earthquake. sumin like that.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 7:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowLucario (Post 2608932)
with shuckle, you definitly need to EV its HP, as said. but heres a little strategy that may work.
Moves
-Power Trick
-Toxic
-Earthquake
-Encore

it pretty much only works on pokemon that only have special attacks. Use toxic, then Encore with them using a special move. THen power trick, so you arent vulnerable to physical moves. Then earthquake. sumin like that.

Earthquake on Shuckle sucks so incredibly badly. I'm also pretty sure that Shuckle has the lowest Attack stat of any Pokemon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket Monster Researcher Archer (Post 2608428)
im positve that double team isnt illegal. i saw this in the battle factory.

The Battle Factory is in-game.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 9:32 AM

Now how is double-team illegal? I swear,all these new rules are gonna ruin the game.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 9:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2609441)
Now how is double-team illegal? I swear,all these new rules are gonna ruin the game.

I don't know how. I just saw it in a list of rules for UU battle or something.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 9:37 AM

Just in UU? I don't like Double Team, but I would like to be able to use it if I wanted to.

sanjay120 July 10th, 2007 10:52 AM

Double Team has been illegal since RBY. It's banned in every competitive battle you will ever have. Deal with it.

And lol ooka, who said Blissey is worthless and where can I find them?

Akuchiki Byakuya July 10th, 2007 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purfugly (Post 2608959)
Earthquake on Shuckle sucks so incredibly badly. I'm also pretty sure that Shuckle has the lowest Attack stat of any Pokemon.



The Battle Factory is in-game.


It doesn't matter how low his attack stat is as long as his defense stat is up with power trick, and that is a good moveset as long as you arent going against a magnezone or metagross special attacking with magnet rise and then use taht on the first turn(and yes I know so don't say anything about metagross, I know most people don't use it for sp attacking, I'm just making an example) Because you would lose horribly.

sims796 July 10th, 2007 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2609658)
Double Team has been illegal since RBY. It's banned in every competitive battle you will ever have. Deal with it.

And lol ooka, who said Blissey is worthless and where can I find them?

I'm getting tired of your insulting attitude. Speak with respect, or shut up. I never insulted you.

And I wanted to know WHY it was banned. I see no real reason.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 10th, 2007 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2609851)
I'm getting tired of your insulting attitude. Speak with respect, or shut up. I never insulted you.

And I wanted to know WHY it was banned. I see no real reason.

I don't know exactly why it was banned but I would guess because it is more of an annoyer than a blissey when you are using a milotic(<that was an example of irritating for those of you who will try to insult me)so that is probably why but I really don't know.

peabobo's sexy legs July 10th, 2007 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2609851)
I'm getting tired of your insulting attitude. Speak with respect, or shut up. I never insulted you.

And I wanted to know WHY it was banned. I see no real reason.

I don't agree with it either, I just know it is a rule. But I do agree with your first three sentences. =D

PlayaFritz July 13th, 2007 8:09 PM

Somthin popped into my head, but there is that one move Trick Room that makes slower pokemon attack first for like 5 turns. I know its not that great, but I think you could somehow work it in. Get another pkmn on your team to use Trick Room then try to switch shuckle in. Use Power Trick, and you have a crazy sweeper for 5 turns, plus you could power trick back the last turn...

sims796 July 13th, 2007 9:46 PM

What if I did quick attack? Would that work to cancel that out?

sanjay120 July 14th, 2007 4:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2609851)
I'm getting tired of your insulting attitude. Speak with respect, or shut up. I never insulted you.

And I wanted to know WHY it was banned. I see no real reason.

Sorry, I'm trying to make an effort to be nicer to people on the internets (except when they piss me off, but that wasn't the case with you). I forget I can sound insulting sometimes. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. :(

It's banned because it's a luckfest and gets boring after a while. Double Team Blissey? No thanks. DT Ninjask passing to anything? I'm not playing it. Roar and WW will get their accuracy affected, and if you have any other form of Hazer, think of it this way: They have 3 or 4 Pokemon to take out the hazer, and a few more to Double Team up. Sure, there's Pulse Bomb and Aerial Ace, but most Pokemon don't learn Pulse Bomb and Aerial Ace isn't really worth wasting a moveslot on something that should be attacking with something more powerful.

sims796 July 14th, 2007 5:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanjay120 (Post 2624100)
Sorry, I'm trying to make an effort to be nicer to people on the internets (except when they piss me off, but that wasn't the case with you). I forget I can sound insulting sometimes. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. :(

It's banned because it's a luckfest and gets boring after a while. Double Team Blissey? No thanks. DT Ninjask passing to anything? I'm not playing it. Roar and WW will get their accuracy affected, and if you have any other form of Hazer, think of it this way: They have 3 or 4 Pokemon to take out the hazer, and a few more to Double Team up. Sure, there's Pulse Bomb and Aerial Ace, but most Pokemon don't learn Pulse Bomb and Aerial Ace isn't really worth wasting a moveslot on something that should be attacking with something more powerful.

Oh I get it now, thanks. That can make a match one-sided.

sanjay120 July 14th, 2007 6:02 AM

IIRC priority moves are not affected by Trick Room, QA will still go first and Vital Throw goes last.


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