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bossman34 July 11th, 2007 2:53 PM

arcanine moveset
 
Arcanine @ ?
Adamant
252 atk/252 spd/4 sp.atk
-Flamethrower
-Extremespeed
-?
-?

flamethrower for skarm and other steels.

what is the best item/moveset for this mixed arcanine

bbl. thx

Akuchiki Byakuya July 11th, 2007 3:02 PM

fireblast is a better choice than flamethrower because of power and STAB

MegaDitto July 11th, 2007 3:29 PM

Arcanine @ Life Orb
Adamant
252 atk/252 spd/4 hp
-Flamethrower/Overheat/Fire Fang
-Extremespeed
-Thunder Fang
- Crunch/Will-o-Wisp/Dragon Pulse

Syaoran July 11th, 2007 3:35 PM

Why would you wanna combine Atk and S.atk in his movesets? His Atk moves are pretty good. Well at least if you gonna use both Atk and S.atk, then make sure to balance the EV's and not leave S.atk with only 4 EV. Also, the Adamant nature isn't going to work that well if you intend on using its S.atk.


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Originally Posted by ooka_100 (Post 2614226)
fireblast is a better choice than flamethrower because of power and STAB

Not sure about this, since his defences aren't high enough to risk a miss on Fire Blast.

Try this for an Atk set:
Flare Blitz
Extremespeed
Crunch / Thunder Fang
Roar

Personally I wouldn't go with a S.atk set combination just for Dragon Pulse.

Samson July 11th, 2007 3:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 2614337)
Personally I wouldn't go with a S.atk set combination just for Dragon Pulse.

NO WAIZ. my own Arcanine runs Flamethrower + Dragon Pulse seeing as that they cover plenty of types. Flamethrower/Dragon Pulse/Extremespeed/Substitute work extraordinarily well on Arcanine. the strategy is basically setting up a sub right as he enters into battle and attacking whatever switches in. with that moveset, arcanine's only threat is Heatran.

bossman34 July 11th, 2007 4:22 PM

i want flamethrower > fire blast cause arcanine gets STAB and skarm/steels have high def so fire fang/flare blitz wont work well.

Dachampster July 11th, 2007 6:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooka_100 (Post 2614226)
fireblast is a better choice than flamethrower because of power and STAB

Fire Blast misses a lot and it only has 5 pp, 8pp max.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 11th, 2007 10:08 PM

Actually fire blast misses less than you guys are leading him to believe. After all, It does have 85% accuracy.

sims796 July 11th, 2007 10:29 PM

Trust me, we speak from experience. There's nothing worst than losing a match cause your Fire Blast missed. It doesen't miss enough to be unuseable, not by no means, but it's risky.

Samson July 12th, 2007 12:15 AM

yeah. beleive it or not, but complete battles can be lost from one simple 95% accuracy Ice Fang missing, or a Rock Slide missing for that matter. it happens, and when it does, it definitely HURTS.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 7:27 AM

Yeah but the good thing about rock slide and this happened to me quite a few times, is the opponent flinching ends the battle, for example, I was against a salamence and it was a tad faster than me and it used rock slide I flinched and that was the end of my salamence.

Samson July 12th, 2007 8:50 AM

well yeah, that's definitely a good thing. between rock slide and stone edge, there's not much of an option for better rock type moves.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 9:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Samson (Post 2616906)
well yeah, that's definitely a good thing. between rock slide and stone edge, there's not much of an option for better rock type moves.

Here's the thing I realized. I had to choose between Rock Slide or Stone Edge. I choose Rock Slide for more PP, greater accuracy, and chance to flinch. Unfortunatley I also loss power & high critical hits.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 12:56 PM

I think rock blast is also good to have on hand so that if you are against a ninjask, you can still kill them when they have a substitute.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ooka_100 (Post 2617861)
I think rock blast is also good to have on hand so that if you are against a ninjask, you can still kill them when they have a substitute.

I can't agree. In fact,I absolutly hate Rock Blast. Not only did it miss a few too many times, but then I have to hope that I hit more than twice. Too unreliable.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 1:02 PM

You didn't listen to what I said, against a ninjask with substitute, If you have anything else that can't get through it then prepare for a fully sped up, metagross or tyrannitar.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 1:29 PM

Oh I heard. It failed me there, too. It hurt bad, that speedy, sub-protected Metagross.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 1:32 PM

which is why on the first tur he subs you use rock blast and it hits, and it hits again, and.... oh wait its already taken out, hum what a surprise.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 1:40 PM

I see what you are saying. I just can't get it to work.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 1:43 PM

The main reason I say it is because I was on netbattle and I was setting up for a tyrannitar and was using double team with a substituted ninjask and the next thing I know they switch to armaldo so I'm thinking who cares, well that thing use rock blast and all the hard work I had done was gone.

Toothache July 12th, 2007 1:44 PM

If all you're afraid of is Ninjask, don't bother with Rock Blast. Stick with Stone Edge/Rock Slide for your Rock move, and just use a hazer/phazer (Weezing's my personal fave Ninjask counter).

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 1:46 PM

Another counter I like is waiting until they use 4 substitutes and then switch out to tyrannitar and if they use max ev's and iv's in hp they should have 2 hp left sandstream takes them out.

Toothache July 12th, 2007 1:51 PM

Risky tactic, in my opinion. Plenty of things faster than T-tar, and if you get a Sword Danced Silver Wind in the face, even from jask it'll hurt him.

MegaDitto July 12th, 2007 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toothache (Post 2618062)
Risky tactic, in my opinion. Plenty of things faster than T-tar, and if you get a Sword Danced Silver Wind in the face, even from jask it'll hurt him.

Silver Wind is a special attack. o.o

X-Scissor would do some major damage though..

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 2:11 PM

I did get OHKO'd from a ninjask with silver wind(don't know if it had max sp.attk or what). But as long as you do it when all they have used is substitute then you can plan on them using swords dance or something like that.

Toothache July 12th, 2007 2:14 PM

Don't mind me, I'm still getting used to the D/P changes, been stuck in RSE mode for the last few years (and I'm in the UK, so I won't get my hands on the games for another two weeks). You see my point though, dark weak to bug etc... yeah.

BTW, aren't we horribly off topic here? Arcanine moveset suggestions...

bossman34 July 12th, 2007 3:31 PM

yea... still contemplating the moveset

MegaDitto July 12th, 2007 3:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossman34 (Post 2618405)
yea... still contemplating the moveset

I posted a moveset before. But another one that may work.

Overheat
Extremespeed
Will-o-Wisp
Roar

That could work well.

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 5:45 PM

Yeah, if you don't come across dugtrio or gyarados.


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