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sims796 July 12th, 2007 7:11 PM

Aggravating Hidden Power #$%!
 
I'm trying to train an Oddish, but I can't hatch a good egg. I'm trying to find one HP Fire copatible, but all I get is grass/poison.

But I did get ground. Is that good? I also got one with electric. Thats good too, right? Which is better?

Ground is versitile, taking out Rock (like that matters) Ice, I believe, and most of all, Fire. But its useless to Flying. Skarmory completly blocks Vileplume, as do Crobat. Electric is also versitile, hitting (without super-effective, but still hurting) most other types, without taking care of its weaknesses. It is vurnerable to Fire & Ice, but can take care of Skarmory & Crobat, as well as others with Levitate, such as Gengar, so I might go with that. Am I right with electric Hidden Power?

MegaDitto July 12th, 2007 7:13 PM

Ground is good against Fire types which can also combat Metagross. Electric is good against it's flying opponents. Which aren't common in the game. It can be depending on the Nature of the Oddish and the base power of Hidden Power.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 7:51 PM

Ok, now this is really confusing. I go to an IV calculator, and I put in Oddish's stats at lvl 18. It said Electric HP. Then I put that same Oddish's new stats after leveling up. Now it says dragon. Is this caculator broke, or what? Or does the HP change when level up until I actually put it on? Like if I put it on at lvl12 and it says Electric, would it be different if I put it on after lvl up and it says Ice? Cause I tried it before the calculator test at lvl one and it had different results on a Kecleon.

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 7:58 PM

You must have accidentally changed the conditions of what made the IVs in the first place, or the IVs themselves. Once you calculate the IVs, then calculate the Hidden Power, you should stick with that. No further calculations regarding Hidden Power is necessary because it is based on the static IVs, and therefore, will never change in type or power.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget to factor in EVs and such correctly.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:04 PM

Ah, I see. I guess I'll just do the dumb Kecleon HP test...

Samson July 12th, 2007 8:28 PM

HP fire is definitely worth the effort, but if you're content with HP electric, then it's workable. if you want to run hp electric, then its moveset should turn out to be Energy Ball/HP Electric/Sleep Powder/Substitute. if you are trying to go for a Sunny Day moveset to collide with Chlorophyll, then you definitely want HP Fire for the type boost. otherwise, you're just screwing you and your team by setting sunny day without getting some significant advantage out of it.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:35 PM

Sigh. I know, I know. I just don't like looking for a Kecleon in order to see which HP I have. They are sooo hard to find. Does any ingame trainer use Kecleon, or is there an easier way to see which HP I have?

Also, here was the set I was planning on running.

Vileplume
Energy Ball
Sludge Bomb/Toxic
Aromatherapy
HP [Fire/Ice/Electric]

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 8:37 PM

If you're still wondering if you have HP Electric or not, you could always use it on a Ground type and see if it misses.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:39 PM

Thats smart,, but what about fire? Who can I fight that is only weak to fire? Should I fight a Grass type, and then Ice type, to make sure it's not bug?

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 8:43 PM

Yea that could work. Although by the time you set up another Oddish with Hidden Power, hoping for HP Fire, it would be better if you could use the calculator instead. I only suggested the Ground test just to see the current Oddish's HP, but if you're gonna try for HP Fire, you will most likely have to breed some more. ^^;

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:45 PM

I hate Hidden Power. I really, really do. Would you be able to recommend a nice calculator? This serebii one sucks like one of Garfield's jokes.

Syaoran July 12th, 2007 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2619563)
Ok, now this is really confusing. I go to an IV calculator, and I put in Oddish's stats at lvl 18. It said Electric HP. Then I put that same Oddish's new stats after leveling up. Now it says dragon. Is this caculator broke, or what? Or does the HP change when level up until I actually put it on? Like if I put it on at lvl12 and it says Electric, would it be different if I put it on after lvl up and it says Ice? Cause I tried it before the calculator test at lvl one and it had different results on a Kecleon.

This might occur because the IV's change in the early levels. For example, in veekun.com it usually gives a range of IV's, and as you level, those IV's get more specific.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:49 PM

Oh, I see. Then at what lvl can I really be sure?

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 8:51 PM

Lol, well, I use the serebii one actually. It worked fine when I had to calculate my HP, so I dunno...

Just when you do it, make sure you do it when it is freshily hatched, so EVs and such don't go and confuse you.

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Originally Posted by Syaoran (Post 2619784)
This might occur because the IV's change in the early levels. For example, in veekun.com it usually gives a range of IV's, and as you level, those IV's get more specific.

Yea, if you aren't calculating IVs at a high enough level, the chance of error can mess you up. To be completely sure, you should send the freshily hatched Oddish into a Lv. 100 Battle just to check the Oddish's stats at that level. Then enter those stats, level 100, and its nature, and you should have the correct IVs.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:55 PM

I get it. Other than Wi-fi, what other places offer lvl 100 battles? Battle Tower?

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 8:55 PM

Well that's level 50, but that may work fine too. I never actually thought of that, but if you can check your stats there, it should be fine.

Edit: Oh wait, now I remember why that doesn't work. It doesn't set the level up to 50, rather it restricts it to 50 if you're over. So a freshily hatched one would still be level 1 I believe.

Basically, you're only way to accurately check it, aside from a Wi-Fi battle, would be to raise the Pokémon's level yourself...maybe using Rare Candies, if you have enough of them.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 8:58 PM

AUUUUUUGGGH. Then what can I do, please not wi-fi battles...

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 9:03 PM

I dunno, can't really help you there. I use Wi-Fi battles myself, and luckily, my sister has a separate DS and game, so I just Wi-Fi battle against her to check.

If you want a quick check right now, I could help you with that. Just enter a battle with me, jot down the stats at level 100, and turn off the game.

If you want to go ahead and do this IV battle, you may want to raise additional Oddishes and stat check them all at once, since you are still hoping for HP Fire.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pkmn Trainer Alex (Post 2619843)
I dunno, can't really help you there. I use Wi-Fi battles myself, and luckily, my sister has a separate DS and game, so I just Wi-Fi battle against her to check.

If you want a quick check right now, I could help you with that. Just enter a battle with me, jot down the stats at level 100, and turn off the game.

If you want to go ahead and do this IV battle, you may want to raise additional Oddishes and stat check them all at once, since you are still hoping for HP Fire.

Oh, ok. I guess I need to first hatchbmore Oddish, hold up.

Thanks for all the help.

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 9:11 PM

Sure thing. I'm not really doing anything else anyway, and I'm too sick to go to sleep apparently. XD

And yea, an AR would help with that. You probably don't have to go all the way to 100, but I don't really know how high you have to go before the chance of error is gone.

Well anyways, I'll just be waiting for you to say to go on Wi-Fi. Just PM me when you're ready. Oh, and I'll have to ask that voice chat be off, as my throat is acting up and I can't talk anyway. When we're in battle, just jot down the 6 stats for each of your Oddishes, then turn off the game. Oh, and remember whose stats go to which Oddish, as you'll need the nature to go along with the stats.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 9:14 PM

I see. Well, feel better. I seem to be suffering from Insomnia tonight as well. Not a sickness, but I blame this game.

KingAwsome July 12th, 2007 9:18 PM

I was reading over this and other than the fact that Hidden Power makes my head hurt (I'm not a big fan of it) Why would you want HP Fire for Oddish > Vileplume? So it can get a boost from Sunny day?

Akuchiki Byakuya July 12th, 2007 9:22 PM

I usually put my newly hatched pokemon in the day care until they are around lv.20 and check the iv's.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 9:23 PM

No, for versitility. It can handle more types that way. Electric is fine, cause I don't use Sunny Day all that much.

Why I use Vileplume is a different story. I love Vileplume, its my favorite since I was 8, for some reason.

ooka, does that work? If so, I can try that. I lvled them up at the Spring Path. Y'now, they held the Exp share, but it was ineffective.

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KingAwsome (Post 2619896)
I was reading over this and other than the fact that Hidden Power makes my head hurt (I'm not a big fan of it) Why would you want HP Fire for Oddish > Vileplume? So it can get a boost from Sunny day?

Well, that and the fact that as far as what moves Vileplume would want to use, it doesn't have much else going for it. With Sunny Day and, most likely, Solarbeam filling two spots, and the fact that Vileplume doesn't learn much else as far as actual attacks go, Vileplume would be at a disadvantage if something resistant to Grass or Poison attacks were to come out.

HP Fire handles this, by not only receiving the boost from Sunny Day, but handling various types that Grass and Poison type attacks wouldn't be effective against (like Steel). In general, Hidden Power is also a nice unexpected move that only people who seriously take the time to breed can take advantage of.

KingAwsome July 12th, 2007 9:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pkmn Trainer Alex (Post 2619911)
Well, that and the fact that as far as what moves Vileplume would want to use, it doesn't have much else going for it. With Sunny Day and, most likely, Solarbeam filling two spots, and the fact that Vileplume doesn't learn much else as far as actual attacks go, Vileplume would be at a disadvantage if something resistant to Grass or Poison attacks were to come out.

HP Fire handles this, by not only receiving the boost from Sunny Day, but handling various types that Grass and Poison type attacks wouldn't be effective against (like Steel). In general, Hidden Power is also a nice unexpected move that only people who seriously take the time to breed can take advantage of.

Oh... That makes sense I guess. Well good luck on finding Hp fire. I don't have the patience to breed for a special HP and then have to see which it was kudos to you.

sims796 July 12th, 2007 9:36 PM

A great example by Alex, but Vileplume recieved a great update on 4th gen. Giving him Energy Ball, Sludge Bomb being special, and what I use him for, Aromatherapy. Have a look at the moveset I posted up earlier. Sunnybeamer still works great with Clorophyll.

And Alex, sorry, but the coffee is wearing off, and that knocks me out cold. Seriously, thats why I don't drink it much. But on to buisness. Will you be on tomorrow? Or in this case, today? Its 1:30am in New York, and like I said, the coffee is putting me out.

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 12th, 2007 9:39 PM

Yea, it's 1:30 here too. I'll be on, though I can't say when. If you mean around this time, then probably, otherwise, I'll see you when I see you and hopefully I can help you out on this then.

Edit: And yea, I was talking as if you were using Sunnybeamer, but that was with respect to HP Fire. So if you aren't really planning on using Sunnybeamer, HP Electric or something similar would be good as you had already planned. At least, I think so...

sims796 July 12th, 2007 10:07 PM

This should be my last few posts, I can barely strain the caffine wearing off now to watch Inu-Yasha. Yes, that is the set I'm running, so if I don't get fire, electruc will have to do. Would ooka's suggestion of poke daycare work? In case your not here. And could I add you on my friends list on this forum? Your friendly, & thats refreshing.

Toothache July 13th, 2007 1:55 AM

Breeding for HP is always a pain, since the IVs are so unpredictable from one egg to the next. Getting a HP of a half-decent power as well is also a nightmare.

Luckiest I ever got was a HP Dragon (base power 66) Zapdos. It makes a nice surprise Flygon counter

sanjay120 July 13th, 2007 3:42 AM

sims, I hate to tell you this, but Exp Share gives EVs. You'll have to feed the Oddish EV-reducing berries and find some other way.

Pkmn Trainer Alex July 13th, 2007 7:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sims796 (Post 2620031)
This should be my last few posts, I can barely strain the caffine wearing off now to watch Inu-Yasha. Yes, that is the set I'm running, so if I don't get fire, electruc will have to do. Would ooka's suggestion of poke daycare work? In case your not here. And could I add you on my friends list on this forum? Your friendly, & thats refreshing.

Yea, the daycare would work. You may or may not experience error with the calculator if you only do it around level 20, but if you wanted to double-check, you could always do the Kecleon test or any other type check to see if it was right.

And yea, sorry, I ended up letting my sister on the computer and going to bed. Sure, add me to your friends list. I haven't really used that function, but I'll go ahead and add you too.

At any rate, if you want to do the IV check battle now, I'm ready if you are. But if you would rather do the daycare stuff, that would be fine too. As long as you level the Oddish without giving it EVs that could mess up your calculations (which means yea, don't use Exp. Share either). Although, you really could level normally, as long as you keep track of what EVs you get...

sims796 July 13th, 2007 7:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pkmn Trainer Alex (Post 2620788)
Yea, the daycare would work. You may or may not experience error with the calculator if you only do it around level 20, but if you wanted to double-check, you could always do the Kecleon test or any other type check to see if it was right.

And yea, sorry, I ended up letting my sister on the computer and going to bed. Sure, add me to your friends list. I haven't really used that function, but I'll go ahead and add you too.

At any rate, if you want to do the IV check battle now, I'm ready if you are. But if you would rather do the daycare stuff, that would be fine too. As long as you level the Oddish without giving it EVs that could mess up your calculations (which means yea, don't use Exp. Share either). Although, you really could level normally, as long as you keep track of what EVs you get...

Ok, I'm all ready. I can't get a good result from the daycare. I tried one at lvl 18 and got Fire. Then I tried the same one at lvl 19 and got Bug. A different Oddish at 20, he's apparently Ice.


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