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OU Team...-.-
Do you think its possible to beat the OU team using UU? Im getting sick of Metagross, Garchomp, Alakazam, Gengar, Blissy, Tyranitar and the rest
Do you think its even worth trying?? |
Absolutely. It's by no means easy, but certainly possible if you build your Pokemon the right way.
Pokes to consider include Gliscor, Pinsir, Steelix. There's plenty of other lesser used Pokemon that can easily hold their own, although the OU Pokemon tend to have more tricks up their sleeve. |
Nyu, of course UU can beat OU. In fact, some OU teams are so focused on OU countering that they leave huge UU weaks to exploit. It really calls for some good playing skills and a well though-out team, though; unless your opponent is a complete nimrod in which case anything goes. :3
Oh, and last I checked Steelix was OU (Not 100% sure about Gliscor, but I've seen it on OU teams as well), so you should probably discount that from your plans. If Tyranitars aren't barging in left right and center then you could also consider Shedinja since Wonder Guard lets you wall a lot of sweepers (most notably boltbeamers like Porygon Z and Starmie), but that really calls for Spinner support because any of the given Spikes screw it over. |
To be fair I'm not familiar with the 4th gen tiers as of yet (D/P is only released here a week Friday). I'm just extrapolating from the 3rd gen tiers. Gligar tended to dominate UU teams in Advance, so Gliscor seems an ideal choice for a lesser used but still deadly idea.
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Anyways, if you plan on countering OUs then two serious threats you should deal with are Rhyperior (the mother of all walls) and Garchomp (Uberly strong sweeper type) as both are dead standard in 4th generation OU. One amusing little counter is definitely FEAR (Short for Freakin' Evil Annoying Rodent): Rattata @ Focus Sash Level: 1 (Yes, the level matters) Trait: Guts Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - doesn't really matter, though. Endeavor Quick Attack So basically it's level one to assure that Endeavor will hurt a lot (and that it will be outspeeded) and since it has Focus Sash on it means that it will survive any one hit from a sweeper that tries to KO it, drop it to one HP with Endeavor and then KO it with Quick Attack. There's also an improved version using the same principle on Phanphy, but with Ice Shard instead of Quick Attack. Simple, and guaranteed to KO at least one opponent if used right. :3 |
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I think i actually might try that |
I wouldnt try that ratatta combo. Too many ways to stop it.
As for your question. I play a UU team and i beat OU teams quite a bit. Its possible but as stated already, its pretty hard to do. You gotta be on top of your game |
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subpassing doesnt stop stealthrock or spike damage at all. So that kinda is invalid.
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I know how the combo works. What i am saying is, There are just too many ways to stop it. For instance. Sandstorm and hail completely destory the option due to its damaging effects. Focus sash no longer works under those conditions. Stealthrock and spikes own that strategy because you now have to make a rapid spinner on your team. Now that sounds great on paper sure. But it isnt great by any means. So now you need a weather changer AND a rapid spinner on your team. Not to mention, VERY few of those spinners actually do a good job spinning. Not worth the time or effort
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Well, I use hail? So i guess i dont know anything =\.
Nothing wrong with mentioning it, You just gotta make sure that people who DONT know, Know about it. It is a VERY hard combo to pull off |
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No, I use alot of weird teams. Based on pokemon that i like. Not because people think they are bad and what not.
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Okay, I'm not quite following you on this one. This isn't about the pokémon species; it's about the move Hail. Unless you're using Abomasnow (in which case the hail is a given without the actual move) then I just don't see why you'd mention that. Unless you like using weird, obscure moves as well...in which case it's a matter of personal choice, but if that is the case then you shouldn't really mention it as a serious threat since it's more of a novelty thing. I mean, I can scream about a strategy being Sunkern weak until my throat is sore but that doesn't mean that people will ever run into Sunkern (Or that they should carry a Sunkern counter) and doesn't really make the strategy any less viable. :\
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I do use hail and abamosnow. I use weird movelists because i dont like doing whatever one else does and it allows me to win my matches just as a person who used the same moves as everyone else has. I play different formats as well. I dont play all OU. My main team is actually UU. And it allows me to beat OU players and teams just as well as a UU team would. And i dont use the same movesets as everyone else. I play according to what i want to play by once again.
You can use any pokemon and do well with it(providing it has good support) so do not count out ANYTHING My hail team includes Abomasnow- initial hail pokemon Clefable doesnt take damage from hail golduck- Negates the effects of weather Glaceon-incase Asnow dies i have a back up hail for tyranitar Regice - special wall Lapras Team works out very well. Never knock something until you try it |
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WERE YOU NOT JUST PAYING ATTENTION??? I use hail on glaceon. incase abomasnow dies. and my opponent happens to be using Tyranitar OR hippowdon. God damn, I wish people actually READ what people write on this website
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Man, I already answered your question. Your just to freaking stupid to understand it. Ask your "alter ego" he might get it.
Im done with this debate. Ive stated my points and thus because i have people who read before speaking will understand them. |
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She said if Abomasnow dies-no switching back. Also, she uses Hail, and is strong about it. Ok, so lets squash this debate. If you don't get why she uses Hail, don't worry about it. Arguing over something so pointless.
Now I tend to use quite a few UU's in my team-Vileplume, and most noticably, Noctowl. Disregarding sleep clause, I've been pretty sucessful with Noctowl. First he puts an opponent to sleep with Hypnosis, then switch em out with Whirlwind, while doing secondary Stealth Rock damage (set up from someone else, of course). She also has Reflect & Light Clay for team support and suvivability. |
Emphasis being on 'purposeful', the eventual occurrence that your opponent has an opposing weather effect pokémon which also manages to KO yours first is not a good basis for wasting a moveslot on an utterly pointless move, especially since the benefits of Hail are marginal at best. -.-
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What the hell are you still talking about this for? The arguement ended when Nighty said she's done with this debate. Stay on topic, and thats with UU standing a chance against OU, not on the usefulness of Hail. If you don't get why she uses Hail, DON'T WORRY BOUT' IT!!!
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