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Banned/Cheap Moves and Pokemon?
What Pokemon and moves are banned in competitive play or considered "cheap"? Like Double Team, Wobbuffet...
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Pokémon that are banned from standard play:
Arceus Groudon Kyogre Rayquaza Palkia Dialga Giratina Lugia Ho-oh Mewtwo Mew Latias Latios Wobbuffet Deoxys Darkrai That's about it for the Ubers list. As for banned moves: Minimize Double Team Horn Drill Sheer Cold Fissure |
And Gullotine. Don't forget Gullotine
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Hax items too.
Quick Claw Brightpowder Scope Lens Razor Claw Razor Fang Lots others I missed. |
I use hax items as fillers sometimes..WHY WONT THE DUDE GIVE ME WISE GLASSES..
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what about Endeavor? I think It's basically cheap..
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I know about the Uber Pokemon. But what about the illegal moves and items?
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Pokemon (only banned from plays that aren't uber):
Arceus Groudon Kyogre Rayquaza Palkia Dialga Giratina Lugia Ho-oh Mewtwo Mew Latias Latios Wobbuffet Deoxys Darkrai Moves: Minimize Double Team Horn Drill Sheer Cold Fissure Guillitine Items: Quick Claw Brightpowder Scope Lens Razor Claw Razor Fang |
oo i didnt realise razor claw was banned whys that?
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Manaphy is also banned, I'm not too sure the Latis are Uber but they are banned sometimes
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Sorry but what is a hax? o.O
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A hax is when something of very low chance of happening happens at the most unsuspecting time. Razor claw which raises critical hits used with a move that already has a high critical hit ratio AND Happens to have super luck is kinda haxy
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WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! :< RAZOR CLAW FOR LIFE :<<<<<<!!!!!!!!! |
But it's still a Hax item, so it is banned. Critical Hits can mean the difference between losing and winning a battle, and raising your chances for one is unfair and looked down upon. So it's hax, and is therefor banned. Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.
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Yes. Let's just play pokemon so everything is based on luck. The one who has the most luck wins. Skill means nothing then.
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Indeed...luck altering is hax. The Pokemon games are based on strategy and skill, not luck. Critical Hits make sense, though, so the regular ratio for them, whatever it is, is fine.
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Hax items aren't banned by anyone I know of, except for Pokerealm. And they ban everything haxy.
So, what's the difference between using Super Luck and using Scope Lens? With Super Luck, you're not even losing anything by switching traits. Sure, Pressure is good, but on a Pokemon like Absol Super Luck is the obvious better choice. With Scope Lens, you forfeit Leftovers, Choice Band, Salac Berry, or anything else you might want to use. It's the same as if you use Focus Energy. You sacrifice a moveslot to get a better CH chance. That's not banned. I can kind of understand Quick Claw, but things that might use it (Rhyperior, Snorlax) really want Leftovers instead. And what's so bad about Razor Fang? 10% flinch chance that doesn't stack with Serene Grace or other flinch moves isn't much. EDIT: Manaphy shouldn't be uber. You wnat to say otherwise, get on Shoddy Battle right now and challenge me with it. |
IMO, Luck plays a big part of the game, in addition to Strategy and skill. To "ban" items and moves because they alter luck is kind of stupid to me. So what if they raise your chance of doing something.. does it mean it'd happen? Why not ban Choice Scarf, Choice Band or Choice Specs while you're at it? These items make a Pokemon MUCH stronger than they should be. Hell, why not take out all equip items, and remove status effects from all moves that have a non-100% chance of it happening?
There are easily counters to these (Aerial Ace, Haze, Battle Armor, etc.), so perhaps if you're worried about them, you should come prepared for them. These were put in the game for a purpose.. to be used. Ubers however, I will agree wholeheartedly with, since they are on a whole other ball park when it comes to power. |
Not everything gets Battle Armor, not everything gets Haze, and the only thing that can really afford to sacrifice a moveslot for Aerial Ace is Gliscor. Maybe Weavile or Tyranitar, but they have much better things to do. The same could be said of Rapid Spin, but then again, most Rapid Spinners don't have better things to do. Besides, do you know what they could do? Devote two Pokemon to killing your hazer and DT up with the other 4. Double Team Skarmory? Aerial Ace fails. Blissey? Pulse Bomb and Shock Wave fail. Add to that that Roar and Whirlwind can miss, and Machamp's the only thing with No Guard, and you have an overcentralized metagame. Which is bad.
Choicers are easy to counter with prediction. Choice Scarf Water Spout Kyogre, as deadly as it is, is walled completely by Blissey, Shedinja, and other Kyogre. Not to mention anything with Water Absorb. Or Dry Skin. CB Earthquake is taken by flyers and levitaters with ease. CB Dragon Claw is nothing against Skarmory, Forretress, and Bronzong. Pretty much anything Choice Specs fails against Blissey, but even without her, all you need is prediction. |
Luck doesn't play as much a part to pokemon as strategy does. Why not ban Choice items? How do they alter luck? It was lucky to have a greater speed than someone? No.
And about Battle armor. Yes let's all pack teams of Armaldos and Kabutops with battle armor, just so we won't get critical hits against us! And now we don't only need to counter all the OU pokemon to make a good team, but we now have to counter any pokemon with Double Team too. Oh but wait, now if my pokemon with Haze gets KOed, I can't stop double team. Oh, I better make a team of Blastoise/Weezing/Vaporeon/Crobat/Quagsire/Honchkrow. Oh crap, now I can get hit by critical hits now! Darn. |
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Shouldn't luck play a part though?
I would see an item that raises crit, plus leaf blade as being hard to deal with...but items like Quick Claw? It balances things out for pokemon like snorlax or slaking. |
Example of quick claw:
Both of you have 1 pokemon left. Say you have a Weavile about to Brick Break a 20% health Snorlax. Snorlax's quick claw activates, and Returns you for the win. Sounds very fair. By the way, Slaking isn't slow. It's very fast. |
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