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diaoman July 28th, 2007 5:03 PM

COULD THIS BE THE ULTIMATE TEAM????!
 
THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK!

Alex_ July 28th, 2007 5:07 PM

Wow, that's really hard to read all bunched up.

Random July 28th, 2007 5:46 PM

I dont know about ultimate, but its pretty darn good, you should join chibay's pokemon league.

Im not a noob July 28th, 2007 5:54 PM

It looks like you took some pokémon from other threads, took some moves, and threw in whatever you felt like. But that's just me. And Heal Bell on Blissey? Here's a something that might help Blissey

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
Moves:

Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam / Thunder Wave

Anti July 28th, 2007 5:58 PM

252 special defense EVs? Try switching the EVs in defense with the sp. D EVs.

Im not a noob July 28th, 2007 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2679719)
252 special defense EVs? Try switching the EVs in defense with the sp. D EVs.

Oh crap, did I write SP.Def, lol sorry I wasn't thinking straight

aragornbird July 28th, 2007 6:15 PM

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There is NO such thing as "the Ultimate Team". Get the silly little notion out of your head this instant.

Like I'm not a noob said (which is ironically a very noobish name), it looks like you took six Pokemon from Smogon analyses and put them into a team.

An Infernape or enemy Electivire can easily make short work of your team, since you rely so much on SkarmBliss to wall. Cresselia takes care of both of those and could be a replacement for Jirachi, since it learns Reflect as well.

Nasty Plot Azelf and Porygon-Z threaten to destroy your entire team (including Blissey). I would look into Calm Mind Bliss to solve those problems.

Does your Shiny Gyarados have good IVs? Good IVs > Shininess any day of the week.


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Anti July 28th, 2007 8:54 PM

Aragorn, I have a question. Considering you're the mod and all you sound like a really good trainer so tell me this. If that shiny had pretty good IVs vs. a normal pokemon with even better IVs, who do you take? Maybe try some more surprises in your movesets since this team is rather predictable no offense, just very standardish, especially Skarmbliss.

diaoman July 28th, 2007 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Im not a noob (Post 2679705)
It looks like you took some pokémon from other threads, took some moves, and threw in whatever you felt like. But that's just me. And Heal Bell on Blissey? Here's a something that might help Blissey

Blissey @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
Moves:

Aromatherapy
Softboiled
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam / Thunder Wave

Heal Bell works the same way as Aromatherapy. Soundproof abilities don't hamper it since it's not targeting the opponent.

And yeah, I did follow the exact suggestions posted on smogon. I think that smogon is the best source of information for competitive play, that's why I used their analyses.


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Does your Shiny Gyarados have good IVs? Good IVs > Shininess any day of the week.
My shiny gyarados has good IVs but not phenomenal. Heh, it's already painstaking enough to get a Shiny Gyarados w/ Adamant nature.

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Nasty Plot Azelf and Porygon-Z threaten to destroy your entire team (including Blissey). I would look into Calm Mind Bliss to solve those problems.
Well I think NP azelf & porygon-z are threats to pretty much any team.

Azelf will need more than one nasty plot to OHKO blissey. And by the time azelf has enough power to kill blissey, it's just get asleep via Sing. Same thing applies for porygon-z unless the opponent is bold enough to pack Hyper Beam on it.

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An Infernape or enemy Electivire can easily make short work of your team, since you rely so much on SkarmBliss to wall. Cresselia takes care of both of those and could be a replacement for Jirachi, since it learns Reflect as well.
So you're saying Cresselia can replace Skarmbliss and jirachi, right? I don't think there's a single-pokemon replacement for two of the best walls in the game. Wouldn't leaving either skarm or blissey out leave a giant hole in the team?

Salamence can wall off Infernape and suppress it's sweeping power. And I could predict an opponent Electivire's electric attack and bring in electivire to absorb it.

Don't forget jirachi's tanking abilities as well. With reflect on, it can survive a Choice band Earthquake from an arena trap Dugtrio. But the main reason for selecting jirachi was for wishpassing. Doesn't my team need a wishpasser to heal up a weakened sweeper?

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Aragorn, I have a question. Considering you're the mod and all you sound like a really good trainer so tell me this. If that shiny had pretty good IVs vs. a normal pokemon with even better IVs, who do you take? Maybe try some more surprises in your movesets since this team is rather predictable no offense, just very standardish, especially Skarmbliss.
Well there's a reason why they're standard/OU. Plus, heh, I got unorthodox ways of fooling my opponents into thinking, for example, my salamence is a physical sweeper or my electivire is choice-banded...lol is that enough for unpredictability?

Craig² July 29th, 2007 12:44 AM

My Blissey:

Blissey @ Leftovers

Bold Nature

Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Calm Mind
Ice Beam/Seismic Toss

That's what mine looks like. I didn't add its EV's cuz I'm too lazy. And there is no Ultimate Team; just n00bs with a bunch of crappy legends that aren't even trained properly who think they're unbeatable. I'm not saying you're a n00b but, NO ULTIMATE TEAMS, kay?

No critiques on meh Blissey, thanks. @[email protected]

sims796 July 29th, 2007 6:13 AM

They said your weak against Azlelf/Porygon Z, because your team has a gaping weakness to them. Sure, they are always a threat, but other teams are prepared for them.

Azonic July 29th, 2007 6:25 AM

Big Weakness to Ice/Ground types.

Mamoswine can sweep through most of your team

diaoman July 29th, 2007 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2681110)
Big Weakness to Ice/Ground types.

Mamoswine can sweep through most of your team

"Big" weakness? Only my salamence is weak to ice and its weaknesses are all covered by Jirachi. I have 3 pokemon immune to ground types, how is that a big weakness?

Salamence can hydro pump/flamethrower on mamoswine (mence can survive an ice shard on full hp) and Gyarados can waterfall mamoswine.

Azonic July 29th, 2007 6:28 PM

Salamence, Jirachi, Electivire are dead.

Blissey with high defense-dead. 4 and counting.

diaoman July 29th, 2007 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2683575)
Salamence, Jirachi, Electivire are dead.

Blissey with high defense-dead. 4 and counting.


um....what do you mean they're "dead"?

Azonic July 29th, 2007 6:38 PM

Mamoswine will sweep through them all 4. Thats what dead means.

And you have no walls for Mamoswine as all its Ice Attacks are normal effective on Gyarados and Skarmory.

Kimimaro July 29th, 2007 6:39 PM

i have to agree good, but not ultimate.

diaoman July 29th, 2007 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2683623)
Mamoswine will sweep through them all 4. Thats what dead means.

And you have no walls for Mamoswine as all its Ice Attacks are normal effective on Gyarados and Skarmory.

Most of them can outrun mamoswine. And skarmory can wall against neutral/uneffective physical attacks.

Azonic July 29th, 2007 6:43 PM

I'd watch out for Trick Room-swapper.

aragornbird July 29th, 2007 6:49 PM

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If you have such confidence in your team, it would be nice if you could go through a counters list for us.

Slowbro
Gengar
Weezing
Starmie
Gyarados
Aerodactyl
Dragonite
Heracross
Skarmory
Donphan
Blissey
Suicune
Raikou
Swampert
Breloom
Salamence
Metagross
Jirachi
Infernape
Bronzong
Garchomp
Lucario
Hippowdon
Weavile
Magnezone
Rhyperior
Tangrowth
Electivire
Togekiss
Gliscor
Porygon-Z
Dusknoir
Azelf
Heatran
Cresselia


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diaoman July 29th, 2007 7:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aragornbird (Post 2683672)
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If you have such confidence in your team, it would be nice if you could go through a counters list for us.

Slowbro
Gengar
Weezing
Starmie
Gyarados
Aerodactyl
Dragonite
Heracross
Skarmory
Donphan
Blissey
Suicune
Raikou
Swampert
Breloom
Salamence
Metagross
Jirachi
Infernape
Bronzong
Garchomp
Lucario
Hippowdon
Weavile
Magnezone
Rhyperior
Tangrowth
Electivire
Togekiss
Gliscor
Porygon-Z
Dusknoir
Azelf
Heatran
Cresselia


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Ok...

Here are the counters for that list:

- Note that stealth rock is a given on anyone weak to rock.
- The spamming-Intimidate strategy would only work if Stealth rock is not laid down.

Slowbro - Gyarados w/ Taunt
Gengar - Jirachi
Weezing - Jirachi, Specsmence
Starmie - Blissey
Gyarados - Tough one here...I could keep switching in Salamence & gyarados on it to spam intimidate on it...and of course Stealth Rock.

Aerodactyl - Skarmory
Dragonite - Blissey, Jirachi, & Skarmory for DD variants and Salamence for non-DD variants.

Heracross - Jirachi for Choice Band variants. Gyarados & Salamence for others.

Skarmory - Gyarados w/ Taunt, Salamence, and Electivire.
Donphan - Gyarados
Blissey - Gyarados w/ Taunt and Electivire.
Suicune - Electivire & Gyarados w/ Taunt (most Suicune don't have HP electric unless they're hacked. It's extremely hard for a legendary to get the best hidden power with the right power and type.)

Raikou - Electivire & blissey.
Swampert - Blissey & maybe good prediction.
Breloom - Skarmory to whirlwind away subs. Also any super effective attacks can kill it OHKO.

Salamence - My spam-Intimidate strategy on physical variants. Blissey for special variants. Most people don't use mixed sweeper Salamence.

Metagross - Skarmory. Electivire to absorb thunderpunch. Salamence w/ flamethrower.

Jirachi - Earthquake. Skarmory walls it.
Infernape - Salamence. Maybe Jirachi for Infernapes with low speed IVs.

Bronzong - Gyarados
Garchomp - Skarmory and Salamence.
Lucario - Gyarados and Salamence and Skarmory.
Hippowdon - Gyarados and Salamence.
Weavile - Gyarados and Skarmory.
Magnezone - Blissey and Electivire.
Rhyperior - Skarmory and spamming Intimidate.
Tangrowth - Skarmory and Salamence.
Electivire - Electivire
Togekiss - Electivire
Gliscor - Gyarados. Skarmory for Taunt-less Gliscors.
Porygon-z - Blissey and basically anything faster than it.
Dusknoir - Umm....I don't consider it a threat.
Azelf - Blissey
Heatran - Gyarados
Cresselia - Blissey & maybe Jirachi w/ Uturn? lol

diaoman July 29th, 2007 8:46 PM

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Nasty Plot Azelf and Porygon-Z threaten to destroy your entire team (including Blissey).
Blissey can just put them to sleep.

Anti July 29th, 2007 8:50 PM

Don't double post, use edit. Anyways, Both are faser and if they have already powered up lots, blissey will go down.

diaoman July 29th, 2007 8:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anti-Pop Culture Warrior 13 (Post 2684033)
Don't double post, use edit. Anyways, Both are faser and if they have already powered up lots, blissey will go down.

There's no sane person who would just let these two powerhouses just power up with nasty plot like that. At least not more than one time.

trust me, I had an azelf on my last team and it never got more than one nasty plot in competition.

Anti July 29th, 2007 8:57 PM

Even with one nasty plot it would still put a decent dent in blissey. Nothing spectacular, but it would hurt a little. Besides, whoever posted about how the nasty plot azelf could run through the entire team forgot one thing. If blissey came out, you could always switch to a CBsweeper and take out bliss in no time. Then azelf or who could come back out after that physical fainted could power up again and smash the team. There are also six pokemon on a team (duh), not only the two I just mentioned. That is the team's weakness.


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