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azupanda July 29th, 2007 7:41 PM

Baton Pass
 
Hmmm. I heard from a few of my friends that having a Baton Pass team is really good. Problem is they won't tell me anything other then that (punks). Now I know what baton pass is, but I'm not to sure how to use it exactly with a team. It keeps my Pokemon's buffs if that's what you want to call them in effect.

Say for example I used sword dance 3x then used baton pass that Pokemon would still have those buffs in for when I bring him in later. Problem is by the time I get 3 sword dances in I'm already past half health. Then when I bring him in, he just takes a hit and dies. Suggestions? Should I wait for the Pokemon I change him with to die then bring him back into play?

Also if I do go with a baton pass team, what would be some recommended bpers and what moves? Maybe some sort of order to use them in to give me some idea. Thanks for the help to those that reply.

Ichida July 29th, 2007 7:47 PM

In my experience, some of the popular Baton Passers are Ninjask and Umbreon.

pokearab July 29th, 2007 8:16 PM

yea dude ninjask and umbreon, umbreon for the les experinced i think, nijask is good to pass of speed and maybe one or two sword dance, i like umbreon more ill need to work on one

Live in Color July 29th, 2007 8:29 PM

Ninjask, uses substitute, gets a speed boost, heals with Leftovers
Uses Swords Dance, gets a speed boost, heals with Leftovers
Depending on if hit or not, substitutes again/swords dances again, heals
Gets a few Swords Dance and Speed Boosts, baton passes to someone like Umbreon
Umbreon uses Curse to get more attack and defense up, and thanks to those speed boosts from Ninjask the speed won't go down too much. Good idea to give Umbreon wish too.
You could also pass to a Vaporeon with Acid Armor.

Then after all of your Baton Passes you pass once more to someone like Salamence/Tyranitar. Then pwn.

Ichida July 29th, 2007 8:38 PM

I alternated between Substitute and Protect with Ninjask for six turns, then Baton Passed to a slow, high-powered sweeper for 600% speed. Not even another Ninjask could outrun that. :D

azupanda July 29th, 2007 8:44 PM

Hmmm so baton pass passes the effects from one Pokemon to the next one used? Or am I wrong? Also thanks guys.

Ichida July 29th, 2007 8:48 PM

It passes the effects of any buff moves or abilities like Agility, Swords Dance, or Ninjask's Speed Boost, etc.

Deathmage129 July 29th, 2007 9:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2684025)
It passes the effects of any buff moves or abilities like Agility, Swords Dance, or Ninjask's Speed Boost, etc.

It also passes any debuffs, such as stat decreasing moves, but does not pass status effects. Not too sure on Perish Song, anyone know?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2683987)
I alternated between Substitute and Protect with Ninjask for six turns, then Baton Passed to a slow, high-powered sweeper for 600% speed. Not even another Ninjask could outrun that. :D

It only boosts it by 400%, each stage is 50% of said stat.

So it would be more like
Ninjask base speed stat - 400 [Random number]
Ninjask after 1 speed boost - 600
Ninjask after 2 speed boost - 800
Ninjask after 3 Speed boost - 1000
Ninjask after 4 speed boost - 1200
Ninjask after 5 speed boost - 1400
Ninjask after 6 speed boost - 1600

The multipliers for each stage are:
1 [No buff]
1.5x
2x
2.5x
3x
3.5
4x

And so on, though you can only go up 6 stages before it maxes out. When it says "raises x" it increases/decreases by 1 stage, when it says "sharply" it is raised/lowered by 2.


Sorry if it's really confusing :p

Berserk Gene July 29th, 2007 9:09 PM

I'm always the first to reccomend scizor as a BP'r. Why? well, for one, it's immune to poison, so that won't be passed on. It can swords dance, agility, AND substitute. It also doubles as a defensive wall. Meaning, if you create a substitute, it may not "fade" because of scizors defense. If you BP WITH a substitute, your next pokemon is assured to come in safely.

Ichida July 29th, 2007 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Deathmage129 (Post 2684083)
*complex Pokecalculations*

Right, right, forgot. Thanks.

azupanda July 29th, 2007 9:17 PM

Awesome. Thanks everyone.

Deathmage129 July 29th, 2007 9:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berserk Gene (Post 2684090)
I'm always the first to reccomend scizor as a BP'r. Why? well, for one, it's immune to poison, so that won't be passed on. It can swords dance, agility, AND substitute. It also doubles as a defensive wall. Meaning, if you create a substitute, it may not "fade" because of scizors defense. If you BP WITH a substitute, your next pokemon is assured to come in safely.

Baton pass does NOT pass status effects. Ninjask could also pass substitutes, Sword Dances, and has a natural speed boost. Scizor is a decent BPer, but it is limited due to it's poor base speed; which I think maxes at 281 WITH a +speed nature. I personally think Scizor is a better pokemon to pass to, as is a very good sweeper, or in my case a Reversaller[Resisting Sand Storm is awesome]. Ninjask also has the speed needed to ensure it goes first to create a substitute and take a hit without dying, or losing too much HP to be unable to sub.

azupanda July 29th, 2007 9:22 PM

What are some good Pokemon to pass to then?
You've already mentioned Scizor, any other good ones?
Also appreciate the help. A lot. Most people have been, dare I say it, "Pokejerks". XD

Deathmage129 July 29th, 2007 9:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azupanda (Post 2684128)
What are some good Pokemon to pass to then?
You've already mentioned Scizor, any other good ones?
Also appreciate the help. A lot. Most people have been, dare I say it, "Pokejerks". XD

Scizor, Ninjask, Celebi, Umbreon, Smeargle[If done right], Yanmega?, and Scyther are all good Baton Passers

azupanda July 29th, 2007 9:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathmage129 (Post 2684133)
Scizor, Ninjask, Celebi, Umbreon, Smeargle[If done right], Yanmega?, and Scyther are all good Baton Passers

I see. But ummm who would I pass the effects onto?
Like which Sweeper?

Ichida July 29th, 2007 9:27 PM

If you're using speed buffs, it'd be ideal to pass them onto someone powerful but slow, like Tyranitar or Metagross.

Random July 29th, 2007 9:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathmage129 (Post 2684133)
Scizor, Ninjask, Celebi, Umbreon, Smeargle[If done right], Yanmega?, and Scyther are all good Baton Passers

Hey what about Aipom/Ambipom, are they good ones?

Hyunbin July 29th, 2007 9:41 PM

actually baton pass can pass on confusion o_O
i was using umbreon and it got confused, then passed it to latios and when it tried to attack it was confused too o_o

Deathmage129 July 29th, 2007 9:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shurikenway (Post 2684154)
Hey what about Aipom/Ambipom, are they good ones?

I'm not sure, I've always used Ambipom as a sort of annoyer...thing...Double hit, then U-turn on out of there. You can pretty much pass to any sweeper, Speed boosts can go either way, if it's Attack then to a physical sweeper, Sp.Attack to a special one.

Physical examples are: Swampert, Garchomp, Salamance, Metagross, TTar, Gallade, Infernape

Special examples are: Gardevoir, Gengar, Salamance, Porygon Z

Deathmage129 July 29th, 2007 9:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hyunbin (Post 2684172)
actually baton pass can pass on confusion o_O
i was using umbreon and it got confused, then passed it to latios and when it tried to attack it was confused too o_o

I meant status effects such as Poison, Paralysis, Burn. Though I didn't know confusion could be passed. Thanks for the information.

Random July 29th, 2007 9:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathmage129 (Post 2684178)
I'm not sure, I've always used Ambipom as a sort of annoyer...thing...Double hit, then U-turn on out of there. You can pretty much pass to any sweeper, Speed boosts can go either way, if it's Attack then to a physical sweeper, Sp.Attack to a special one.

Physical examples are: Swampert, Garchomp, Salamance, Metagross, TTar, Gallade, Infernape

Special examples are: Gardevoir, Gengar, Salamance, Porygon Z

Right so you used Ampibom's Nasty Plot to pass over to special sweeper, and Agility for slow ones, that are powerful but need a speed boost.

Deathmage129 July 29th, 2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shurikenway (Post 2684212)
Right so you used Ampibom's Nasty Plot to pass over to special sweeper, and Agility for slow ones, that are powerful but need a speed boost.

Oh wow, it does get Nasty Plot, I guess I kinda skimmed over it when I was leveling mine. After it learned Double Hit I pretty much had it done so didn't bother to read anything when it leveled XD

So yes, Ambipom is a good passer.

Random July 29th, 2007 10:03 PM

Yeah i check on serebii's D/P pokedex, and found that out myself, so yeah you can do good passing with ambipom.

Azonic July 30th, 2007 5:39 AM

Ninjask either Baton Passes to a tank or an average speed sweeper(e.g. Metagross, Rampardos)

Lord Mike July 30th, 2007 6:26 AM

Ninjask is overrated. Don't use it.

I like BPing Calm Mind to Zappy, and Mean Look to Celebi so it can use PErish Song. I love Perish Trapping.


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