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newjacksm July 30th, 2007 3:53 PM

My friend just gave me a charmander
 
I dont know what to do with it, I ovbiously want to breed for a better one, but I dont know where to start what nature should I shoot for and what should I EV Train?

Speed / Attack
Speed Special Attack?

What should I breed it with? Just a ditto or anything special to get any other move sets???

Thanks for the help

Greg.

Chaolin July 30th, 2007 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by newjacksm (Post 2687412)
I dont know what to do with it, I ovbiously want to breed for a better one, but I dont know where to start what nature should I shoot for and what should I EV Train?

Speed / Attack
Speed Special Attack?

What should I breed it with? Just a ditto or anything special to get any other move sets???

Thanks for the help

Greg.

You could breed it with a Rapidash that knows Flare Blitz. I would train it in Attack EVs too.

Live in Color July 30th, 2007 4:40 PM

Get a female Adamant/Jolly Charmander from breeding with a Ditto. Once you get that Charmander give it an Everstone and breed it with a Male Dragonite that knows Dragon Dance, Dragon Rush and Outrage. Lots of people will trade for it. You could go with a Dragon Dance/Dragon Rush Charizard, or a Dragon Dance/Outrage Charizard. Outrage would probably go better, but either way you could still use both attacks when leveling as both are very powerful. In the end you can make the Charizard something like this:

Charizard @ Life Orb
Blaze
Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Flare Blitz
-Earthquake

This might want to go into the Breeder's Corner Section.

newjacksm July 30th, 2007 5:07 PM

Sorry I am new here there is so many sections on this forum i get lost..

Alex_ July 30th, 2007 5:08 PM

This would be better in Strategies and Movesets.

Lord Mike July 30th, 2007 5:43 PM

Charizard @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
EVs: 172 HP / 144 Atk / 72 Def / 120 SDef
-Aerial Ace / Wing Attack
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance
-Dragon Claw / Fire Blast / Fire Punch / Rock Slide

or

Charizard @ Life Orb
Trait: Blaze
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
EVs: 172 HP / 52 Def / 144 SAtk / 12 SDef / 48 Spd
-Flamethrower
-Air Slash
-Roost
-Ancientpower / Dragon Pulse

sCam July 30th, 2007 6:23 PM

Speed/ Attack, Charizard with belly drum owns, and make sure you have a salace berry ;x

c_dog July 30th, 2007 6:59 PM

if stealth rock is in play, charizard won't be able to belly drum at all since stealth rock takes away around 50% of its health. if you get one with better defense you could pull it off, but stealth rock pretty much renders charizard completely useless. it's not going to be able to stay in play for very long without rapid spin support.

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blaze
modest
252spatt 110speed rest hp
-flamethrower
-dragon pulse
-focus blast
-hp grass<--now that's hard to get

flamethrower and dragon pulse together get pretty good coverage. focus blast is awesome when used on a blissey switching in to take what it thought was a flamethrower on skarm. hp grass can 2HKO water types, OHKO swampert.

newjacksm July 30th, 2007 11:14 PM

When you guys say Charzard @ so and so what does Life Ord suppose to mean

Shiraishi July 30th, 2007 11:59 PM

That means it should hold Life Orb.

Smarties-chan July 31st, 2007 12:37 AM

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Speed/ Attack, Charizard with belly drum owns, and make sure you have a salace berry ;x
Bellyzard is extremely hard to pull of in the 4th generation because of everybody and his friends having a Stealth Rocker in their team and because Charizard will take 50% damage switching in on Stealth Rock. Bellyzard is extremely risky to pull off even without Stealth Rock in play because it risks getting Roared/Whirlwinded away either right after it uses Substitute or after it uses Belly Drum. Bellyzard also dislikes first-priority attackers (Extremespeed Lucario/Arcanine) and anything that can endure an un-boosted attack from it and can raise its Speed as well as practically anything that can outspeed it. And chances are your opponent's phazer will pull out Charizard too early or just phaze it away before it can do anything. =\
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Get a female Adamant/Jolly Charmander from breeding with a Ditto. Once you get that Charmander give it an Everstone and breed it with a Male Dragonite that knows Dragon Dance, Dragon Rush and Outrage. Lots of people will trade for it. You could go with a Dragon Dance/Dragon Rush Charizard, or a Dragon Dance/Outrage Charizard. Outrage would probably go better, but either way you could still use both attacks when leveling as both are very powerful. In the end you can make the Charizard something like this:

Charizard @ Life Orb
Blaze
Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Dragon Dance/Swords Dance
-Outrage Dragon Claw
-Flare Blitz Fire Fang/Fire Punch
-Earthquake

This might want to go into the Breeder's Corner Section.
Flare Blitz with Life Orb is nothing but suicide and STABless Outrage is never worth it because unlike Dragonite that deals heavy damage with Outrage even to the likes of Metagross and friends after a couple of DDs, Charizard gets walled by any Steel types because it doesn't get STAB from it.

For a special Charizard, C_dog's set could work though I'd say Fire Blast or even Overheat are options because Choice Scarfers usually need all the power they can get. The good thing with that set is that it can hit anything with either a normal effective or a super effective move. Only Heatran resists the infamous Flameclaw (or in this case Flamepulse) combo and Heatran takes double damage from Focus Blast. The thing with CS Charizard, as well as any other choice sweeper is that it requires good prediction skills. I'd just max out Speed as well Sp.Attack, though. It's not like Charizard will be taking any hits anyway and the more Speed you give it, there more benefit you get from Choice Scarf.


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