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pokeflips July 31st, 2007 4:23 PM

Rate my lineuppp.
 
Okay, here's my lineup.

Starmie
Modest
MOVES:
Psychic
Ice Beam
Surf
Confuse Ray

Garchomp
Modest
MOVES:
Draco meteor
Dragon Claw
Swords dance
Earthquake

Zapdos
Sassy
MOVES:
Drill Peck
Thunder
Rain Dance
Fly

Lucario
Impish
MOVES:
Iron tail
Swords Dance
Aura Sphere
Close Combat

Houndoom
Hardy
MOVES:
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower
????????

Gengar
Modest
MOVES:
Shadow Ball
Hypnosis
Focus Blast
Sludge Bomb

I need help with houndoom's final move, advice on Zapdos' thunder/raindance combo, and overall feedback on the whole thing. I know the nature on lucario isnt the best, but I was all prepared to turn my game off and on when the egg hatched to get the right nature, but I figured out the nature is given when the egg is given, not when it hatches, so it was too late.

Anti July 31st, 2007 4:40 PM

Uh, EVs? Also, Impish takes away from Special attack, and lucario doesn't have any special attacks, so how is that a bad nature?

pokeflips July 31st, 2007 4:42 PM

Yea, he has aura sphere. 80 power special fighting.

Anti July 31st, 2007 4:43 PM

Why? You already have close combat. It is a waste of a moveslot then.

Angelic Diablo July 31st, 2007 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokeflips (Post 2691975)
Okay, here's my lineup.

Starmie
Modest
MOVES:
Psychic
Ice Beam
Surf
Confuse Ray/Thunderbolt

gives it more type coverage, otherwise pokemon like Slowbro can wall you (those immune to water/psychic/ice attacks)[


Garchomp
Modest?? Try Adament or Jolly
MOVES:
Fire Fang
Dragon Claw
Swords dance
Earthquake

I don't think I've ever heard of a Modest SDchomp before, anyway Fire Fang takes care of Skarmory who would otherwise wall you

Zapdos
Sassy? I guess Modest here, but since you can't change it whatever
MOVES:
Drill Peck
Thunderbolt
Reflect/Light Screen/Thunderwave
Roost

Don't use Rain Dance/Thunder combination on any pokemon, the only one who can pull it off well is Kyorge (thanks to Drizzle)

Also I believe Zapdos is considered Uber, therefore most people won't battle you with him, and more people won't battle you just because of a legendary on your team


Lucario
Adamemt/Modest
MOVES:
Earthquake/Dragon Pulse
Swords Dance/Dark Pulse
Extreme Speed/Aura Sphere
Close Combat

Two sets there, left hand side is physical and plays of the Adament Nature, Right hand side is special and plays of the Modest Nature (CC for Blissey for the Special Set)

Houndoom
Timid/Modest
MOVES:
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower
Hidden Power/Sludge Bomb/Will o Wisp

Sludge Bomb is a horrible typing, but at least gives you a final attacking move, Hidden Power can be surprising, you could get a really awesome type that takes care of Houndoom's weaknesses. Will-o-Wisp for a bit of burn action


Gengar
Modest/Timid
MOVES:
Shadow Ball
Hypnosis
Focus Blast
Sludge Bomb/Thunderbolt

I need help with houndoom's final move, advice on Zapdos' thunder/raindance combo, and overall feedback on the whole thing. I know the nature on lucario isnt the best, but I was all prepared to turn my game off and on when the egg hatched to get the right nature, but I figured out the nature is given when the egg is given, not when it hatches, so it was too late.

It's never too late (unless its a Legendary) to change Natures, just breed until you get a prefered one

Anyway comments and suggestions in bold

MKDS_PoKE July 31st, 2007 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokeflips (Post 2691975)
Okay, here's my lineup.

Starmie
Modest
MOVES:
Psychic
Ice Beam
Surf
Confuse Ray

Thunderbolt over confuse ray

Garchomp
Modest
MOVES:
Draco meteor
Dragon Claw
Swords dance
Earthquake

Fire Fang over draco meteor

Zapdos
Sassy
MOVES:
Drill Peck
Thunder
Rain Dance
Fly

Lol fly, use thunder wave over fly. Thunderbolt over thunder, light screen over rain dance, hidden power ice/grass over drill peck

Lucario
Impish
MOVES:
Iron tail
Swords Dance
Aura Sphere
Close Combat

Use sword dance, close combat, earthquake, crunch

Houndoom
Hardy
MOVES:
Nasty Plot
Dark Pulse
Flamethrower
????????

=\ Use hidden power ice/grass for the filler

Gengar
Modest
MOVES:
Shadow Ball
Hypnosis
Focus Blast
Sludge Bomb

Use thunderbolt over sludge bomb.

I need help with houndoom's final move, advice on Zapdos' thunder/raindance combo, and overall feedback on the whole thing. I know the nature on lucario isnt the best, but I was all prepared to turn my game off and on when the egg hatched to get the right nature, but I figured out the nature is given when the egg is given, not when it hatches, so it was too late.

FIRST UP, ALOT OF YOUR POKEMON HAVE BAD NATURES

Anti July 31st, 2007 4:54 PM

Yeah the natures blow. We still don't have the EVs, making it a pain to rate.

Angelic Diablo July 31st, 2007 4:57 PM

give him a break, maybe he doesn't know what their EVs are. You could be more helpful rather than just chewing him out

Cacttus July 31st, 2007 4:59 PM

Starmie should have thunderbolt
garchomp should have dragon rush

Anti July 31st, 2007 5:09 PM

Wasn't trying to chew him out, but he shouldn'y be posting a competitive team if he/she doesn't know what an EV is. There are several EV training guides on the internet, and one on PC too. If you do know what EVs are post them. If not find out and then post the EVs you'd use. Items would help too. If there was one thing to critizise this team on, it's the lack of defensive pokes. They are ALL sweepers, and hardly any have stat-up moves.
You need one or two walls, a tank, and the rest stay sweepers. Plenty of roles to choose from so use what you want. Also, a starmie with your moveset except with thunderbolt instead of confuse ray takes every one of your pokemon down except lucario.
In other words, you don't have counters for many common pokemon. That's my advice. I as always may be wrong though I'm pretty sure about this one.

pokeflips July 31st, 2007 5:13 PM

Okay, EVs. Gengar has ev's on sp. def and sp. attack evenly, same with starmie, only i have some on HP for starmie too. Lucario is speed, with the rest evenly distributed over attack and sp. def. (his sp def sucks. probly a low det. value.) Houndoom isnt trained, garchomp has them on attack and speed, and zapdos isn't trained yet. I dont have the rain dance/thunder combo yet, so thats easily ditched, but i like the light screen/thunderbolt/roost/drill peck combo. And I think sassy is a good nature for zapdos, as it evens him out. I also think aura sphere is a pretty decent move for lucario, I rather like his moveset. Yea, i argee the natures need work, I'll probably breed for better ones.

pokeflips July 31st, 2007 5:14 PM

haha, fyi, I ev train like crazy. He's fine for chewing me out, I just didnt think to post evs.

Anti July 31st, 2007 5:27 PM

Don't double post, you could just use edit. just write the EVs out in a normal format. It's so hard to read them like that. Copy and paste your Team and add the EV distribution so it's easy on our eyes. You will definately have to scrap a couple of those sweepers for a wall or two and a tank. The current team relies on brute force. A mega-experienced trainer like aragornbird would eat this team for lunch and still have plenty of room for desert simply because there is no strategy. When you run into a dusknoir and a steelix you'll have lots of trouble. You will get walled by other pokemon you can't overpower. That's why strategy beats brute force. A blissey would wreck lots of this team. Just try to impliment strategy and some new pokes into your team and you should be fine.

Azonic July 31st, 2007 6:25 PM

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Trait: Natural Cure
Nature: Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 SP. ATK/ 252 SPEED/ 4 HP

Thunderbolt
Surf
Icebeam
Recover

Anti July 31st, 2007 6:29 PM

I persinally don't like recover on starmie but it's better than recover on Zam.

Shiraishi July 31st, 2007 6:40 PM

I use life orb on Starmie so I need recover :O (TImid nature :/)
My mence should get quite far on ur team :/

Anti July 31st, 2007 6:44 PM

Lots of pokemon could, like another starmie.

Azonic July 31st, 2007 6:46 PM

Some Bolt-Beam water types can murder this team. 2/3 pokemon will die of most Starmies.

Garchomp - Icebeam
Starmie-Thunderbolt
Zapdos - Icebeam
Houndoom - Surf

Lucario and Gengar are the only ones free, but Spiritomb can shake things up.

Anti July 31st, 2007 8:43 PM

If the Starmie had psychic, bye-bye gengar

Shiraishi August 1st, 2007 1:12 AM

I might give my Starmie psychic =.= I use togekiss as my special wall :/

Anti August 1st, 2007 1:34 AM

The elmental punches KO 4 of the pokemon on the team. A pokemon with:
thunderpunch
ice punch
cross chop
psychic
level this team. Like electivire could use that MS. Bad if one single pokemon can eat an entire team. Still needs defensive pokemon. Pokeflips should respond and tell us what he plans to change so we can help.


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