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mdarkcecil August 1st, 2007 8:09 AM

Phione, Legendary? or just a rare
 
Personally, I don't think it's a legendary, because it's base stat total is 480, where most legendaries are 600 or more. The TRUE definition of a legendary is: A pokemon whose base stat total is equal to or above 600, and are one of a kind. Definition of uber: Pokemon whose base stat total is equal to or above 600(examples: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Slaking). So by definition, Phione is not a legendary, or in fact an uber, it's just rare. It dosen't even learn some of the move Manaphy does, even though their movelists are pretty much the same thing. Honestly, I think people are being hypocritic about selecting pokemon that are legendaries, or ubers. Also, I am aware the Phione is banned from the battle tower, which I think is dumb. I think of Phione as a dumbed down Manaphy.

Lil-Dill August 1st, 2007 9:19 AM

I think theres allready a thread like this to discuss and I think its legendary.

wolfie1177 August 1st, 2007 9:22 AM

No, it's not a legendary. Not only does it have lack of stats, but you can have as many as you want through breeding.

Lone--Wanderer August 1st, 2007 12:53 PM

No, Phione is not Legendary, simply because you can have more than one in the same game at the same time without doing anything but breeding.

~Mithos~ August 1st, 2007 1:07 PM

well, I picked "which one gives me cookies" because that shouldn't be an option up there.

but either way, if your saying that it's bad and has a bad moveset, why do you care if its called a legendary or if its banned from the battletower anyway -_-

Always and Never August 1st, 2007 1:39 PM

Phione is rare? Say that to the 7 eggs of Phione in my PC.

I wouldn't use one, it's weak, but it is still a legendary. Legendaries are crutches to me, and I will never think different. ^_^

yvette August 1st, 2007 3:28 PM

Phione is the off-spring of Manaphy, isn't it? Depends on what you think.

WarHawk August 1st, 2007 9:25 PM

I think Phione is too weak.

Chaolin August 1st, 2007 9:35 PM

If you're parent is famous, does that make you famous? Usually. Ex: The Crocodile Hunter's Daughter. I think it's a legendary, even if it sucks.

Cornicapus August 2nd, 2007 12:59 AM

I think its a ledgendary because:

1. For alot of Ledgendaries you need to do something out of the game to get it i.e: Events or get a "Spin off game"
2. It came from a ledgendary and i think it has a movie with Manaphy
3. It's around the final bit of the pokedex (where the ledgendaries are)

Marcy_11 August 2nd, 2007 3:19 AM

legendaries shouldnt be able to breed, with the acception of manaphy because its chillens arent manaphys, phione is definately not a legendary

wolfie1177 August 2nd, 2007 5:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornicapus (Post 2698283)
I think its a ledgendary because:

1. For alot of Ledgendaries you need to do something out of the game to get it i.e: Events or get a "Spin off game"
2. It came from a ledgendary and i think it has a movie with Manaphy
3. It's around the final bit of the pokedex (where the ledgendaries are)

Ok, none of these reasons validate this being a legendary at all.
1. You don't have to do an "event" to get this, you have to breed. If this is a legendary, then so is every random Pokemon that pops out of an egg
2. Again, if this is the case, then every Pokemon that has ever been in a movie could be a legend. As a matter of fact, Pikachu must be super-uber legend now, because it's been in every movie!
3. There are loads of Pokemon near the end of the Pokedex, it doesn't make them legendary. If this is the case, then Dragonite is a legend, Tyranitar is a legend, Metagross is a legend, etc. etc.

So yeah, it's not a legend

Seol August 2nd, 2007 5:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXscytherXx (Post 2696154)
Phione is rare? Say that to the 7 eggs of Phione in my PC.

It's not difficult to be in possession of several Manaphy eggs either.

Eruption August 2nd, 2007 5:28 AM

Could say it was a baby Legendary.

A sort of weaker legendary that isnt very old.

wolfie1177 August 2nd, 2007 8:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seol (Post 2698694)
It's not difficult to be in possession of several Manaphy eggs either.

But it's certainly more difficult than getting 7 Phione eggs.

magpie August 2nd, 2007 8:25 AM

I'm of the opinion that it is not. It's not the strongest, doesn't really have too much going for it. It's hella cute, of course, in its own way. However, it can easily be bred and has your everyday kind of abilities and statistics.

He's a regular. A good one but a regular, in my opinion.

Matthew. August 2nd, 2007 8:52 AM

Personally, I don't classify it as a legendary. It's much to easy to obtain and it can easily be bred; legendaries should be one-of-a-kind (ie. one per game).

Michiru552 August 2nd, 2007 9:07 AM

I'd go with the Non Legend side too, It's uber cute just doesn't fit the legend stats

Abras Doom August 2nd, 2007 11:31 AM

Phione is in some separate category. Like "Semi-Legendary"

mdarkcecil August 4th, 2007 3:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXscytherXx (Post 2696154)
Phione is rare? Say that to the 7 eggs of Phione in my PC.

I wouldn't use one, it's weak, but it is still a legendary. Legendaries are crutches to me, and I will never think different. ^_^

If it's so easy to get so many, why do you call it a legendary?

mdarkcecil August 4th, 2007 3:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mithos kid (Post 2696024)
well, I picked "which one gives me cookies" because that shouldn't be an option up there.

but either way, if your saying that it's bad and has a bad moveset, why do you care if its called a legendary or if its banned from the battletower anyway -_-

Sorry, I always like to put a funny answer on polls XP

Ayano Katagiri August 4th, 2007 3:27 AM

"Which one gives me a cookie?" I'll take a cookie from either one thanks, ;D

It's not exactly a legendary as it branches out from Manaphy and that should really just say it there. I don't quite regard it as a legend due to that, but rather, classify it as a rare Pokemon. The fact that so many of them can be gotten due to breeding as mentioned above numerous times, really cancels out the true rarity of a legendary on a single game.

mdarkcecil August 4th, 2007 3:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaolin (Post 2698009)
If you're parent is famous, does that make you famous? Usually. Ex: The Crocodile Hunter's Daughter. I think it's a legendary, even if it sucks.

Just because it's parent was a legendary does not make it a legendary, for example: If you breed a female dragonit(Dragonite is an uber btw), would that make the baby dratini an uber as well? Unlike phione, dratini can become an uber, where phione cannot.

Lord Mike August 4th, 2007 6:58 AM

mdarkcecil, you're nuts. Dragonite isn't a uber. Any n00b should be able to figure that out; its OU.

mdarkcecil August 4th, 2007 9:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Mike (Post 2708226)
mdarkcecil, you're nuts. Dragonite isn't a uber. Any n00b should be able to figure that out; its OU.

No, it is an uber, it' bast stat total is equal to 600, and to be an uber the pokemon's base stat total must be atleast 600. "Any n00b should be able to figure that out".

Ash_Pokemaster August 4th, 2007 9:48 AM

Ever tried to define the word "Legendary"? It's as simple as catching a Rattata. A Pokemon that does not have legendary Powers, and is simply a Pokemon that legends, myths and so on does not mention, is not a Legendary Pokemon. It's stats do not matter either. Also, ever tried to check its Pokedex entry?

"A Pokemon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation san on its head to drift and search for food."

Oh come on.

Im not a noob August 4th, 2007 10:16 AM

Do I still get a cookie even if I don't answer the poll? XD

mdarkcecil August 4th, 2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Im not a noob (Post 2708804)
Do I still get a cookie even if I don't answer the poll? XD

hmm... ...ok XP *hands over cookie*

artyinthebank August 4th, 2007 12:04 PM

I'm going to vote no just because I think it's lame.

Im not a noob August 4th, 2007 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdarkcecil (Post 2709054)
hmm... ...ok XP *hands over cookie*

Yummy cookies! :D, oh and I honestly wouldn't say Fione is a legendary if it can be obtained through breeding. Like look at a celebrity for instance (I won't name any). The celebrity is rich, famous, handsome, whatever you want to call him/her. They get together with someone and have a child. Now, because the child is born, is the child famous for anything? No. Yes, the child does receive a lot of media attention but has the child really done anything to deserve that attention? No. It only receives as much attention as it does because of its parents. So anyways, what I am so much misguiding to say is, just because what came before the baby is famous, that doesn't mean the baby is going to be famous for anything.

Also, Fione is not an uber, overused, or rare because:

1. If it was an uber, it's base stats would have to be the equivalence (or over) a total of 600 (calculating the base stats together would have to equal 600)

2. Fione is not overused because you'll hardly ever see it being used in a competitive match against anyone because of it's ironically poor stats.

3. If Fione was rare, it would either have to be extremely hard to get/see, have an extremely high catch rate (which it cannot be caught, however it can be attained through breeding), or there would not be the possibility of being able to breed it as many times as possible.

So, thus ending my statement, no I don't believe it isn't a legendary pokémon, I know it isn't a legendary pokémon

Spencer August 4th, 2007 2:49 PM

I dont really read into things like this. I just catch whatever I can o_o I also hope I get a cookie for voting.

mdarkcecil August 5th, 2007 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spencer (Post 2709813)
I dont really read into things like this. I just catch whatever I can o_o I also hope I get a cookie for voting.

*hands over cookie to everyone who asked "which one gets me a cookie?"*

pokeguy50000 August 5th, 2007 1:18 PM

PHIONE is not rare
 
:D heres everything you need to know about phione

Basic Information
National Number: #489
Height: 0.4 m (1'4")
Weight: 3.1 kg ( 6.8 lb)
Footprint:
Body Form:
Type: WATER
Color: Blue
Pokedex Entries
English


Basic Information
National Number: #489
Height: 0.4 m (1'4")
Weight: 3.1 kg ( 6.8 lb)
Footprint:
Body Form:
Type: WATER
Color: Blue
Pokedex Entries
English
PHIONE - Sea Drifter POKéMON

Diamond: A Pokémon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation sac on its head to drift and search for food.
Pearl: A Pokémon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation sac on its head to drift and search for food.
French
PHIONE -

German
PHIONE -

Spanish
PHIONE - POKéMON

Italian
PHIONE - POKéMON

Japanese
PHIONE - ポケモン (PHIONE - POKEMON)

Size Comparison

Cry

(Download audio file)

Evolutions
No evolutions.

Locations/Obtaining
Diamond Version
Pearl Version
Base Stats
View detailed stat info for PHIONE

HP 80
Attack 80
Defense 80
Speed 80
Special Attack 80
Special Defense 80

Other Base Information
Rareness 30
Base EXP 165
Gender Rate Genderless
Happiness 70
Growth Rate Slow (max: 1,250,000 EXP)
Steps to hatch egg 10240

Attacks Learned
Diamond/Pearl Version
(Level 1): Bubble
(Level 1): Water Sport
(Level 9): Charm
(Level 16): Supersonic
(Level 24): BubbleBeam
(Level 31): Acid Armor
(Level 39): Whirlpool
(Level 46): Water Pulse
(Level 54): Aqua Ring
(Level 61): Dive
(Level 69): Rain Dance
TMs and HMs Learned
Diamond/Pearl Version
TM03 TM06 TM07 TM10
TM13 TM14 TM17 TM18 TM20
TM21 TM27
TM32
TM42 TM43 TM44
TM55 TM56 TM58

TM77
TM82 TM83 TM86 TM87 TM89 TM90
HM03 HM07 Abilities
Diamond/Pearl Version: Hydration
Moves Taught by People
Breeding
Breeding Compatibility: 2,6
Breeding Partners: SQUIRTLE, WARTORTLE, BLASTOISE, PIKACHU, RAICHU, CLEFAIRY, CLEFABLE, JIGGLYPUFF, WIGGLYTUFF, PSYDUCK, GOLDUCK, POLIWAG, POLIWHIRL, POLIWRATH, SLOWPOKE, SLOWBRO, SEEL, DEWGONG, CHANSEY, HORSEA, SEADRA, LAPRAS, OMANYTE, OMASTAR, KABUTO, KABUTOPS, DRATINI, DRAGONAIR, DRAGONITE, TOTODILE, CROCONAW, FERALIGATR, TOGETIC, MARILL, AZUMARILL, POLITOED, HOPPIP, SKIPLOOM, JUMPLUFF, WOOPER, QUAGSIRE, SLOWKING, SNUBBULL, GRANBULL, CORSOLA, REMORAID, OCTILLERY, DELIBIRD, MANTINE, KINGDRA, BLISSEY, MUDKIP, MARSHTOMP, SWAMPERT, LOTAD, LOMBRE, LUDICOLO, WINGULL, PELIPPER, SURSKIT, MASQUERAIN, SHROOMISH, BRELOOM, SKITTY, DELCATTY, MAWILE, PLUSLE, MINUN, ROSELIA, CORPHISH, CRAWDAUNT, FEEBAS, MILOTIC, CASTFORM, SNORUNT, GLALIE, SPHEAL, SEALEO, WALREIN, CLAMPERL, HUNTAIL, GOREBYSS, RELICANTH, PIPLUP, PRINPLUP, EMPOLEON, BIDOOF, BIBAREL, ROSERADE, PACHIRISU, BUIZEL, FLOATZEL, CHERUBI, CHERRIM, SHELLOS, GASTRODON, TOGEKISS, FROSLASS, PHIONE, MANAPHY
- Sea Drifter POKéMON

Diamond: A Pokémon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation sac on its head to drift and search for food.
Pearl: A Pokémon that lives in warm seas. It inflates the flotation sac on its head to drift and search for food.
French
PHIONE -

German
PHIONE -

Spanish
PHIONE - POKéMON

Italian
PHIONE - POKéMON

Japanese
PHIONE - ポケモン (PHIONE - POKEMON)

Size Comparison

Cry

(Download audio file)

Evolutions
No evolutions.

Locations/Obtaining
Diamond Version
Pearl Version
Base Stats
View detailed stat info for PHIONE

HP 80
Attack 80
Defense 80
Speed 80
Special Attack 80
Special Defense 80

Other Base Information
Rareness 30
Base EXP 165
Gender Rate Genderless
Happiness 70
Growth Rate Slow (max: 1,250,000 EXP)
Steps to hatch egg 10240

Attacks Learned
Diamond/Pearl Version
(Level 1): Bubble
(Level 1): Water Sport
(Level 9): Charm
(Level 16): Supersonic
(Level 24): BubbleBeam
(Level 31): Acid Armor
(Level 39): Whirlpool
(Level 46): Water Pulse
(Level 54): Aqua Ring
(Level 61): Dive
(Level 69): Rain Dance
TMs and HMs Learned
Diamond/Pearl Version
TM03 TM06 TM07 TM10
TM13 TM14 TM17 TM18 TM20
TM21 TM27
TM32
TM42 TM43 TM44
TM55 TM56 TM58

TM77
TM82 TM83 TM86 TM87 TM89 TM90
HM03 HM07 Abilities
Diamond/Pearl Version: Hydration
Moves Taught by People
Breeding
Breeding Compatibility: 2,6
Breeding Partners: SQUIRTLE, WARTORTLE, BLASTOISE, PIKACHU, RAICHU, CLEFAIRY, CLEFABLE, JIGGLYPUFF, WIGGLYTUFF, PSYDUCK, GOLDUCK, POLIWAG, POLIWHIRL, POLIWRATH, SLOWPOKE, SLOWBRO, SEEL, DEWGONG, CHANSEY, HORSEA, SEADRA, LAPRAS, OMANYTE, OMASTAR, KABUTO, KABUTOPS, DRATINI, DRAGONAIR, DRAGONITE, TOTODILE, CROCONAW, FERALIGATR, TOGETIC, MARILL, AZUMARILL, POLITOED, HOPPIP, SKIPLOOM, JUMPLUFF, WOOPER, QUAGSIRE, SLOWKING, SNUBBULL, GRANBULL, CORSOLA, REMORAID, OCTILLERY, DELIBIRD, MANTINE, KINGDRA, BLISSEY, MUDKIP, MARSHTOMP, SWAMPERT, LOTAD, LOMBRE, LUDICOLO, WINGULL, PELIPPER, SURSKIT, MASQUERAIN, SHROOMISH, BRELOOM, SKITTY, DELCATTY, MAWILE, PLUSLE, MINUN, ROSELIA, CORPHISH, CRAWDAUNT, FEEBAS, MILOTIC, CASTFORM, SNORUNT, GLALIE, SPHEAL, SEALEO, WALREIN, CLAMPERL, HUNTAIL, GOREBYSS, RELICANTH, PIPLUP, PRINPLUP, EMPOLEON, BIDOOF, BIBAREL, ROSERADE, PACHIRISU, BUIZEL, FLOATZEL, CHERUBI, CHERRIM, SHELLOS, GASTRODON, TOGEKISS, FROSLASS, PHIONE, MANAPHY

mdarkcecil August 10th, 2007 3:37 AM

well, accourding to the poll more people think it is a legendary, and lots of people really want a cookie

Honey-Senpai August 10th, 2007 3:39 AM

It's the offspring of a legendary pokemon...
Even though, This makes him HALF-Legendary, wich is still a bit...
So... Cookie?

Waaaaai~
~Honey-Senpai~

Ichida August 10th, 2007 6:36 AM

If it wasn't a legendary, it wouldn't be disallowed from competitive play.

mdarkcecil August 12th, 2007 8:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ichida (Post 2735440)
If it wasn't a legendary, it wouldn't be disallowed from competitive play.

Because the person who decided it should be banned was buzzed when they decided.

The Real AAA August 12th, 2007 8:44 AM

On the Poll I voted "No" that Phione is not a legend


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