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Eos Aduro August 5th, 2007 9:38 AM

Another RMT
 
Ok, so my team right now is

Omastar
Bold - Shell Armor
EV's 252 Defense, 152 Special Attack, 106 HP
Protect
Ancient Power
Surf
Tickle (Needs Work)


Aerodactyl
Jolly/Adamant - Pressure
EV's 152 speed, 252 attack, 106 HP (Needs Work)
Thunder Fang
Crunch
Stone Edge
Iron Head (Also Needs Work)


Metagross
Adamant - Clear Body
EV's 252 attack, 102 Speed, 102 Defense, 56 HP
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
Zen Headbutt
Agility


Gardevoir
Modest - Trace
EV's 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 Special Defense
Psychic
Thunder Bolt
Thunder Wave
Calm Mind


Gengar
Modest - LEvitate
EV's 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Hyponosis
Dream Eater
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast


Milotic
Calm - MArvel Scale
EV's 252 Special Defense, 102 HP, 102 Special Attack, 54 Speed
Mirror Coat
Dragon Pulse
Surf
Avalanche


Aragornbird and Icemans help would be appreciated.

sims796 August 5th, 2007 9:47 AM

Why should I help you out, huh? What have ya done for me?

Joking, joking....I'll sai that Ice Beam is better for Milotic than physical Avalance.

MegaDitto August 5th, 2007 9:59 AM

Omastar

-Rest
-Surf
-Sleep Talk
-Ice Beam

A set which will use Omastar defensive nature and EV's.

A semi-sweeper set would be good for Omastar.

-Surf
-Rock Polish
-Ice Beam
-Ancientpower/Stone Edge

Azonic August 5th, 2007 10:14 AM

Hypnosis with Dream Eater is disliked in competetive battles because the opponent can just switch out.

c_dog August 5th, 2007 10:34 AM

Omastar@leftovers
timid - Shell Armor
156 HP, 224 Spd, 128 SpAtk
surf
ice beam
knock off
stealth rock/spikes/toxic spikes
omastar's UU but he does have excellent defense and sp.att.. give it some speed to outrun the common tyranitar and knock off and stealth rock/spikes/toxic spikes make him a good supporting pokemon.



Aerodactyl@focus band
Jolly/Adamant - Pressure
EV's 152 speed, 252 attack, 106 HP (Needs Work)
earthquake/Thunder Fang
Crunch
Stone Edge
stealth rock
that's the OU aerodactyl



Metagross@leftovers
Adamant - Clear Body
EV's 252 attack, 102 Speed, 102 Defense, 56 HP
Earthquake
Meteor Mash
thunder punch
Agility
thunderpunch hits those skarmories hard

Gardevoir@life orb/leftovers
Modest - Trace
EV's 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 Special Defense
Psychic
Thunder Bolt
focus blast/will-o-wisp/Thunder Wave
Calm Mind
okay, but you can consider another move over twave. you have aero and gengar so it's not like your team is in desperate need of twave support. another special attack like focus blast or energy ball would be really helpful but then gengar already has a similar set, so you can use WoW. WoW cuts down your opponent's physical attack allowing you to calm mind up whithout much worry. don't WoW a special attacker because after a few calm minds their attacks are relatively harmless too.

Gengar@life orb/leftovers/expert belt
Modest - LEvitate
EV's 252 Special Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
destiny bond/hypnosis
-energy ball

Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
hypnosis is good but since milotic is better with it and destiny bond is like a guaranteed KO destiny bond makes sense here. having hypnosis on more than one pokemon is pointless if sleep clause is in effect

Milotic@leftovers
Calm - MArvel Scale
EV's 252 Special Defense, 102 HP, 102 Special Attack, 54 Speed
-surf
-hypnosis
-recover
-ice beam


hypnosis is your friend. it will save your life many times, putting your foe to sleep who otherwise could rip through your entire team, while they have to go through the pain of watching milotic recover hp.

c_dog August 5th, 2007 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach and Sunshine (Post 2713188)
Omastar

-Rest
-Surf
-Sleep Talk
-Ice Beam

A set which will use Omastar defensive nature and EV's.

A semi-sweeper set would be good for Omastar.

-Surf
-Rock Polish
-Ice Beam
-Ancientpower/Stone Edge

the first set looks good, but the second set.. rain dance is better than rock polish with swift swim. the boost from surf is nice along with the speed.

Azonic August 5th, 2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c_dog (Post 2713304)
Gardevoir@life orb/leftovers
Modest - Trace
EV's 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 Special Defense
Psychic
Thunder Bolt
focus punch/will-o-wisp/Thunder Wave
Calm Mind

I hope you mean Focus Blast/

c_dog August 5th, 2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penguinpal6 (Post 2713335)
I hope you mean Focus Blast/

of course. focus blast for special attack. i don't know why i typed punch when i meant to type focus blast.

Samson August 5th, 2007 11:32 AM

omastar doesn't need to outrun tyranitar. it may be weak to earthquake, but it can take it.

Omastar @ Leftovers/Enigma Berry
Bold Nature
252 HP/252 DEF/4 SP ATK
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Knock Off/Seismic Toss/Rock Polish
-Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes

pretty basic. rock polish is for those who are weird and prefer being able to outrun a few incoming threats.

Punishment August 5th, 2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Milotic
Calm - MArvel Scale
EV's 252 Special Defense, 102 HP, 102 Special Attack, 54 Speed
Mirror Coat
Dragon Pulse
Surf
Avalanche
Milotic is a bulky water and does not need an speed EVs as it was it doesnt need to out run anything.

You could either go with Bold or Modest Nature. Calm nature is alright but she doesnt need the extra boost and you'll see why when I explain it below. Depends if you wanna hit hard or take more hits. Here are the EV spreads:

Bold Nature: 252 Def, 200 HP, 58 Sp. Atk
Modest Nature: 252 Sp. Atk, 200 HP, 58 Def/Sp.Def

Moveset for Milotic would be the one c dog suggested. Milotic is quite bulky considering it can take one STABBED Thunderbolt with no Sp. Def EVS or a beneficial nature form most Pokemon. Therefore Hypnosis is a great choice to stop sweepers in there tracks.

-Ice Beam (for Dragons and Grass types)
-Surf (with STAB it has 135 base power)
-Hypnosis (70% accuracy is still something ot be reckoned with)
-Recover (Need I say more with its huge base HP?)

Or if you are going with the Bold type there is a little variation with the Sleep Talker set. Persoinally I find it unreliable.

-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Ice Beam
-Surf

Due to Marvel Scale when you use Rest Milotics already above average is turned into a massive stat. Sleep Talk is kinda self explanatory.

MegaDitto August 5th, 2007 5:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c_dog (Post 2713311)
the first set looks good, but the second set.. rain dance is better than rock polish with swift swim. the boost from surf is nice along with the speed.

Yes, Rain Dance. But the Omastar had Shell Armor. =X

Avalanche on Milotic?

Lord Mike August 5th, 2007 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punishment (Post 2713617)
Milotic is a bulky water and does not need an speed EVs as it was it doesnt need to out run anything.

You could either go with Bold or Modest Nature. Calm nature is alright but she doesnt need the extra boost and you'll see why when I explain it below. Depends if you wanna hit hard or take more hits. Here are the EV spreads:

Bold Nature: 252 Def, 200 HP, 58 Sp. Atk
Modest Nature: 252 Sp. Atk, 200 HP, 58 Def/Sp.Def

Moveset for Milotic would be the one c dog suggested. Milotic is quite bulky considering it can take one STABBED Thunderbolt with no Sp. Def EVS or a beneficial nature form most Pokemon. Therefore Hypnosis is a great choice to stop sweepers in there tracks.

-Ice Beam (for Dragons and Grass types)
-Surf (with STAB it has 135 base power)
-Hypnosis (70% accuracy is still something ot be reckoned with)
-Recover (Need I say more with its huge base HP?)

Or if you are going with the Bold type there is a little variation with the Sleep Talker set. Persoinally I find it unreliable.

-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Ice Beam
-Surf

Due to Marvel Scale when you use Rest Milotics already above average is turned into a massive stat. Sleep Talk is kinda self explanatory.

Are you kidding me?

Standard Milotic:

Milotic @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Rest
-Surf

Punishment August 5th, 2007 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Mike (Post 2715302)
Are you kidding me?

Standard Milotic:

Milotic @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Rest
-Surf

How is that standard? Is Milotic actually going to survive those turns after she uses Rest? People arent going to be dumb and just let Milotic rest. Milotic needs a way to defend itself and that is offensively with Sleep Talk.

How is a bulky water going to survive without any extra HP EVs? You gotta be kidding yourself.

Sure my EV spread is sorta different form the current metagame but my movesets arent.

c_dog August 5th, 2007 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Mike (Post 2715302)
Are you kidding me?

Standard Milotic:

Milotic @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
-Ice Beam
-Toxic
-Rest
-Surf

are you kidding me? have you ever battled punishment's milotic? it's one of the best milotic out of the 20 something milotic i've battled against. if anybody knows how to make a good milotic it's him.

seriously, using rest in 4th gen is a bad idea thanks to the new physical special split no pokemon is safe. rest is only viable for those that can't learn recover and is better with sleep talk. with the 2 turns of sleep you can recover to gain more hp there and maybe get off a couple of attacks. hypnosis and mirrorcoat are the only options as milotic's last move and you can't go wrong with hypnosis. nobody uses toxic and nobody would recommend toxic on milotic.

MegaDitto August 5th, 2007 6:35 PM

Standard Milotic:

-Ice Beam
-Hypnosis
-Recover
-Surf

Can everyone agree? >___>

I like Punishment's set. It's good to have ideas.

Punishment August 5th, 2007 7:06 PM

I agree that the Hypnosis set is the standard one for Milotic.

Another reason why Toxic is no longer widespread is because of two common Pokemon: Skarmory and Metagross. Not to mention Heracross says thank you when it switches into one. Dont forget Skarmory's best friend the big fat pink fluff Blissey who can take those attempts of Toxic like candy and can heal her buddies with Aroma.

Thanks for the compliments c dog. :)

sims796 August 5th, 2007 7:34 PM

Compliments? Compliments are for the weak! Arrrgggghhh!

Seriously, I am sick of seeing the same Milotic over & over. Those were great sets, made by both Punishment & Bleach. Although I saw Toxic, but never understood why.

c_dog August 5th, 2007 8:13 PM

get used to seeing OU's sims, cuz milotic is only one of many. i always thought people would get sick of blissey first. the movesets can be changed but most of the sets are popular for a reason. unconventional sets are more prevalent among UU's since they're all about unpredictability.

sims796 August 5th, 2007 8:33 PM

I guess your right, but how many times can Milotic help be given?

People, please use the "search" colum. Put in "Milotic Moveset". When about 60 of em comes up, take your pick. I'm tired of seeing “I need a Milotic Moveset” over & over again.

Anti August 6th, 2007 7:54 AM

Agreed, but this thread has strayed off topic a lot from the original team. Starmie can put a dent in this team. Not a huge dent, but it could inflict nasty pain on a few pokemon.

Eos Aduro August 6th, 2007 8:09 AM

For Milotic I think Im going to go

Ice Beam
Surf
Mirror Coat
Recover

Punishment August 6th, 2007 8:14 AM

Mirror Coat Milotic is still usuable but nowhere as strong as it use to be.

The problem is she is quite on borderline average for speed. (Not sure recalling this from memory.) So basically she can guarantee a KO when Mirror Coat works but doesnt have the speed to regain HP with Recover.

Your opponent will most likely send out a sweeper to finish off Milotic.

c_dog August 6th, 2007 9:42 AM

If you read my post I mentioned hypnosis will save its life many many times(putting that sweeper that's been ripping through your team to sleep is very helpful). mirror coat is always an option but personally i don't recommend it since hypnosis is imo, way better.


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