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Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 9:31 AM

Team Help
 
I have come up with this, could you please rate/fix? Thanks.

Pikachu @Light Ball
-Static
Modest
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Thunderbolt
-Thunderwave
-Agility
-Grass Knot

Megachu, just for kicks. :P

Hitmontop @Leftovers
-Intimidate
Adamant
EVs: 124 HP / 212 ATK / 56 Speed / 76 SD / 40 D
-Brick Break
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Rapid Spin

I thought hitmontop would make an interesting physical sweeper and rapid spinner.

Porygon-Z @Choice Specs
-Adaptabilty
Timid
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Tri Attack / Hyper Beam
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Signal Beam/Psychic/Shadow Ball

Standard BoltBeam-ing Porygon-z

Donphan @ leftovers/choice band
Impish
Sturdy
188HP/96 ATK/224 DEF
-Earthquake
-Ice Shard
-Rest
-Stealth Rock

Donphan will act as my defensive wall/tank. Ice shard to take care of garchomp,salamence etc

Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
252 HP / 126 SP DEF / 63 SPD / 63 SP ATK
Clear Body
Hasty
-Toxic Spikes
-Surf
-Sludge Bomb/Poison Jab
-Payback

Tentacruel will act as a special wall and toxic spike layer. Im hoping payback will get rid of any unwanted Psy visitors.

Salamance @ Metronome
Intimidate
Adamant
120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spd
-Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang

Standard DD Mence

The thing im worried about is mainly Alakazam. If my porygon z goes down, or tentacruel gets OHKO'd, I'm basically screwed :knockedou

Thanks in advance

bossman34 August 11th, 2007 10:37 AM

well some pokemon on my UU team are Pinsir, Muk, and Lickcliky or whatever its called. muk is a great wall. pinsir a great choice scarfer. and lickcliky is also a great wall that gains stab explosion

Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 10:43 AM

I quite like the sound of a pinsir actually. Would make a nice alternative to all the heracross you see =P

Could I ask its EV spread and moveset?

.Aero August 11th, 2007 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Susselmuch? (Post 2741086)
Right guys, I'd like some help on constructing my first competitive team.

I'd like it mainly standard/UU, with no ubers and minimal use of OU pokemon, ie no SkarmBliss etc. However I was considering a standard boltbeaming Porygon-z as a special sweeper, would that work with the two pokemon I've already trained?

I've already fully EV trained these two pokemon, and i'd like to center the team around them if possible:

Pikachu @Light Ball
-Static
Timid
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Thunderbolt
-Thunderwave
-Surf
-Grass Knot

Hitmontop @Leftovers
-Intimidate
Adamant
EVs: 124 HP / 212 ATK / 56 Speed / 76 SD / 40 D
-Brick Break
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Rapid Spin

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Porygon-Z @Choice Specs
-Adaptabilty
Timid
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Tri Attack / Hyper Beam
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Dark Pulse

I'm still undecided on the Porygon-z though, any help appreciated.

Thanks in Advance

I only changed Pikachu's nature, cuz you might just want it to be fast because its speed is #94 out of every pokemon, which means it can only outrun mostly slower pokemon. If it has good natures EVs and IVs, it may be able to outrun faster pokemon. I'm not completely sure if this is the best nature, I'm just suggesting.

Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pipluper (Post 2741374)
I only changed Pikachu's nature, cuz you might just want it to be fast because its speed is #94 out of every pokemon, which means it can only outrun mostly slower pokemon. If it has good natures EVs and IVs, it may be able to outrun faster pokemon. I'm not completely sure if this is the best nature, I'm just suggesting.

When I was breeding, I wasn't sure whether or not to go timid or modest. This particular pikachu had pretty much max speed IVs though, so I thought i'd go for the more special attack orientated nature, but still EV train it.

Hopefully its still gonna be able to outrun a good few pokes though. Thanks for the advice :)

.Aero August 11th, 2007 12:29 PM

Just a question but are you hacking these pikachus? You can't breed Surf on to pikachus, it doesn't work with the PBR one. So how do plan to get Surf on him/her?

Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 12:39 PM

I havn't actually got surf on 'chu yet, it currently has double team, but I understand that move is illegal. Is it impossible other than hacking? If so I'll have to think of a replacement move

.Aero August 11th, 2007 12:43 PM

It's possible on only PBR Pikachus. It's possible to get a Modest or Timid one, but that's got to be hard. I wish you luck on getting a Timid or Modest Pikachu off PBR if you have it. XD

Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 12:54 PM

Dang it. Lol.

Guess i'll have to think of another move, as I dont have PBR.

I've edited my first post with a draft team I threw together, would you mind rating/fixing it?

.Aero August 11th, 2007 2:17 PM

I'll try. I've never really rated/fixed a whole team before, but here goes nothing.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Susselmuch? (Post 2741086)
Right guys, I'd like some help on constructing my first competitive team. I'm trying to make it fairly UU, so as to be unpredicatable/unique

EDIT: I have come up with this, could you please rate/fix? Thanks.

Pikachu @Light Ball
-Static
Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Thunderbolt
-Thunderwave
-Light Screen/Agility
-Grass Knot

Pikachu of death. Just a blast from the past, my first game was Yellow :)

Hitmontop @Leftovers
-Intimidate
Adamant
EVs: 252 S.DEF/252 ATK/6 HP
-Brick Break
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Rapid Spin

I thought Hitmontop would make for an interesting physical sweeper, and rapid spinner.

Porygon-Z @Choice Specs
-Adaptabilty
Timid
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Tri Attack
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic

OU, I know, But a bit of BoltBeam sweeping never hurt anyone.

Probopass @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 S.DEF/252 HP/6 DEF
-Magnet Pull
Sassy
-Magnet Rise
-Stealth Rock
-Iron Defense
-Flash Cannon

I thought Probopass would make for a great wall with its really high defensive stats. Correction on moveset please. Could someone also suggest a suitable EV spread?

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
252 SPD/252 HP/ 6 S.DEF
Clear Body
Timid
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Sludge Bomb
-Barrier

I thought I would make use of a tentacruel as both a special wall, toxic spiker and a bit of a sweeper at the same time. Help with EV spread please?

Salamance
Adamant
6HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPD
-Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Rock Slide
- Thunder Fang

Another OU pokemon, but Salamance makes a great physical sweeper. Corrections on the moveset?

Thanks in advance.

I put the EVs in according to what they were best at. That makes them do well in battles instead of raising stats that aren't that great. Probopass makes an excellent wall, better than Tentacruel, so I just made Tentacruel a Special Sweeper. You don't need Stealth Rock and Toxic Spikes in the same team, so I swiched toxic spikes out for Barrier just so those Electivires won't OHKO him with a Thunderpunch. Any other questions on my changes, just PM me.


Ok there you go. I just made it the way I'd use these pokemon. Hope I did well. XD

bossman34 August 11th, 2007 6:38 PM

sorry for the delay.

Pinsir @ Choice Scarf
Adamant
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 Hp
-X-Sissor
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Rock Slide
-Brick Break

Earthquake and mold breaker can do alot of damage to gengars etc. only flying types stop it. try this instead of salamence

Shiraishi August 11th, 2007 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Susselmuch? (Post 2741086)
Right guys, I'd like some help on constructing my first competitive team. I'm trying to make it fairly UU, so as to be unpredicatable/unique

EDIT: I have come up with this, could you please rate/fix? Thanks.

Pikachu @Light Ball
-Static
hardy There is a set nature for PBR pikachus.
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Thunderbolt
-Thunderwave
-Surf
-Grass Knot

Pikachu of death. Just a blast from the past, my first game was Yellow :)

Hitmontop @Leftovers
-Intimidate
Adamant
EVs: 124 HP / 212 ATK / 56 Speed / 76 SD / 40 D
-Brick Break
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Rapid Spin

I thought Hitmontop would make for an interesting physical sweeper, and rapid spinner.

Porygon-Z @Choice Specs
-Adaptabilty
Timid
EVs: 252 S.ATK/252 SPD/6 HP
-Tri Attack / Hyper Beam
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Dark pulse/Shadow ball/Nasty plot

OU, I know, But a bit of BoltBeam sweeping never hurt anyone.

Probopass @ Leftovers2 words on probopass, HELL NO.
????
-Magnet PullAny wall with a dual weakness to earthquake is useless. Weezing, skarmoey, forretress are all good defensive walls.
Relaxed
-Rest
-Stealth Rock
-Earth Power
-Block/Magnet Rise/Discharge ????

I thought Probopass would make for a great wall with its really high defensive stats. Correction on moveset please. Could someone also suggest a suitable EV spread?

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
252 HP..then Iunno.
Clear Body
Hasty
-Toxic Spikes
-Surf
-Sludge Bomb/Poison Jab
-Payback? (maybe for any unwanted psy visitors?)

I thought I would make use of a tentacruel as both a special wall, toxic spiker and a bit of a sweeper at the same time. Help with EV spread please?

Salamance
Adamant
6HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPDThis is not the EV spread for a DD mence, I forgot it though.
-Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Fang/Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Another OU pokemon, but Salamance makes a great physical sweeper. Corrections on the moveset?

Thanks in advance.

I did what I could, but I didn't make changes for everything. Seriously, probopass is a horrible wall.

Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 11:27 PM

Thats why i thought of having magnet rise in there, to prevent it being OHKO'd by earthquake. But with its low speed, I doubt thats gonna help much. Do you have any ideas on any UU walls?

Shiraishi August 11th, 2007 11:41 PM

Meganium. I'm not sure about weezing or forretress being OU. I still suggest using them, the opponent wont flip out because f them. Skarmory is a different story.

Susselmuch? August 11th, 2007 11:42 PM

Meganium sounds good as an aromatherapist actually. Could you suggest some natures.EV spread/movesets for meganium and weezing?

Shiraishi August 12th, 2007 12:18 AM

Eh, I dont use meganium, I thought about it and decided otherwise. As for weezing, I'm going to use for sure..

[email protected] Sludge
Relaxed?
Dunno EVs. Needa ask.
Sludge Bomb/Flamethrower/Thunderbolt
Pain split
Will-o-Wisp
Haze/Explosion

..Well thats what I'm going to use. Also a great physical wall would be donphan. He takes out dragons with ice shard which..is really kewl..

Susselmuch? August 12th, 2007 12:28 AM

Ice Sharding Donphan eh? Now THAT'S what im talking about.

How does this sound for a moveset?

Donphan @ leftovers/choice band
Impish
Sturdy
188HP/96 ATK/224 DEF
-Earthquake
-Ice Shard
-Rest
-Stealth Rock

Shiraishi August 12th, 2007 12:40 AM

Noice! I might use that o.0

EDIT: He should do great with tentacool. Unless..there is a Zam. Then, ur screwed beyond belief XD

Susselmuch? August 12th, 2007 1:21 AM

HA!

Well hopefully by that point my porygon-z will still be alive, that way i can signal beam/dark pulse it

Shiraishi August 12th, 2007 1:24 AM

Dont depend on 1 pokemon to counter a glaring threat. If my Swampert dies, I have a glaring weakness to electivire. Which is why I'm giving MY electivire EQ. MY mence can also counter it with DD+EQ.

Susselmuch? August 12th, 2007 1:39 AM

Yeah i see what you mean.

If im walling with tentacruel though, and a 'zam gets thrown in, im hoping tentacruel will be able to absorb one hit and then retaliate with payback.

EDIT: Ev spread for tentacruel: 252 HP / 126 SP DEF / 63 SPD / 63 SP ATK

Shiraishi August 12th, 2007 2:41 AM

Hrm, if my memory is good then tenta's HP is not great but its SP def is amazing. Better get good HP IVs. Lets hope 200 Base power with meager attack is enough to kill Zam XD

Susselmuch? August 12th, 2007 2:43 AM

Yeah its HP is above average, but nothing special. I'll be breeding for good IVs then XD

With salamence would you say Fire Fang is a better choice than fire blast/flamethrower?

Shiraishi August 12th, 2007 2:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Susselmuch? (Post 2744295)
Yeah its HP is above average, but nothing special. I'll be breeding for good IVs then XD

With salamence would you say Fire Fang is a better choice than fire blast/flamethrower?

Well, the main reason you should have a fire move on mence is to take out skarmory, forretress, steelix. Whichever does the most dmg is all I can say..

Susselmuch? August 12th, 2007 2:49 AM

I wouldnt really want to gamble on the accuracy of fire blast, so I guess flamethrower would do the most damage, despite the fact mence wont be EV trained in SP ATK


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